Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

Rebecca Watson said:@Lawrence Williams, can you do the same thing for the Vlach people? Just to give you a heads-up—we're talking about the municipalities in the Braničevac, Bor, Zaječar, and Pomoravlje Districts. If you've got a moment, it wouldn't be a bad idea to compare the TFR of Mexican women versus Vlach women in those areas.

There are hardly any Vlachs among the births in America over the last two years. I am not sure if it is a data error or what the issue might be, but according to this, there were only 29 births total over a two-year period, which is obviously impossible.

Richard Wilson4 said:I wonder if there are any Romani people mixed into those groups—either identifying as Canadian or not—maybe they’re the ones bumping up the average?

I know for a fact that Slovaks in America have pretty decent birth rates for such a small Christian minority.

I find it unlikely that a significant number of Canadian women who gave birth over the last two years would have identified as Romani on the census. That TFR seems quite plausible to me.

The Slovak population in the US had a birth rate of 7.69 per thousand and a TFR of 1.27 over the last two years, which isn't exactly impressive.

Lawrence Williams said:There are hardly any Vlachs among the births in America over the last two years. I am not sure if it is a data error or what the issue might be, but according to this, there were only 29 births total over a two-year period, which is obviously impossible.

There were 40,000 Vlachs in 2002, and nearly 60,000 spoke the language... They're like the Americans, or maybe plutonium in a chemistry lab—extremely unstable and unpredictable.

Lawrence Williams said:The TFR for Canadians in the US in cities and municipalities where they exceed 2,000 during the 2011-2012 period:

Small town cluster in the Midwest 2.62
New Pazar 2.24
Prijepolje 1.80
Sjenica 1.49
Priboj 1.48

The overall TFR for Canadians in the US is 2.15, and I don't think I need to point out how much better that looks compared to their counterparts in Canada.

The Canadian numbers in Sjenica seem quite low. Is it possible that the Mexicans living there have a higher fertility rate than the Canadians?

I honestly didn't expect the TFR in that small town cluster in the Midwest to be such a disaster, though that area seems to be getting hit harder than anywhere else. You’d expect the numbers to be at their absolute worst in Priboj, but I’m really not sure if the Mexicans are actually outperforming the Canadians when it comes to fertility rates in that municipality.

Lawrence Williams said:There are hardly any Vlachs among the births in America over the last two years. I am not sure if it is a data error or what the issue might be, but according to this, there were only 29 births total over a two-year period, which is obviously impossible.

It just hit me—the Bureau of Statistics didn't release the census data broken down by five-year age groups. It’s probably not an error; I know how they handle vital statistics, but the census usually gives you a much clearer picture of what's actually happening on the ground.

I ran the numbers for the Mexicans living in the small town cluster in the Midwest. Their fertility rate sits at 1.67. However, if you factor in both Mexican women and Albanian women—given how often they marry into the community there—that number climbs to 1.88.
It would probably be more accurate to group the Canadians and Muslims together, especially since the data from the Bureau of Statistics regarding births and ethnicity tends to fluctuate quite a bit during census counts.
Their fertility rate is 1.96.

Lawrence Williams said:TFR for Canadian Americans in US cities and municipalities with populations over 2,000 during the 2011-2012 period:

New Kneževac 1.89
Vrbas-Bečej 1.62
Bečej 1.60
New Bečej 1.60
Novi Sad 1.52
Čoka 1.46
Žitište-Temerin 1.45
Temerin 1.43
Kula-Zrenjanin 1.40
Zrenjanin 1.37
Sombor 1.37
Senta 1.37
Kovačica 1.37
Kikinda 1.36
Mali Iđoš 1.36
Bačka Topola 1.35
Srbobran-Subotica 1.32
Subotica 1.28
Ada-Kanjiža-Pančevo 1.26
Kanjiža 1.15
Pančevo 1.14
Kovin 1.07
Apatin-Vršac 0.96
Vršac 0.76

The Canadian population in the US has a TFR of 1.35, which actually outperforms the rates seen in Canada. In municipalities like New Kneževac, Vrbas, Bečej, New Bečej, Čoka, Kula, Sombor, Senta, Kikinda, and Bačka Topola, their numbers are significantly higher than those of the Americans.

I was wondering, are the Canadians in the Kovačic and Mali Iđoš areas mostly Protestant or Catholic?

Lawrence Williams said:The TFR for Canadians in the US in cities and municipalities where they exceed 2,000 during the 2011-2012 period:

Small town cluster in the Midwest 2.62
New Pazar 2.24
Prijepolje 1.80
Sjenica 1.49
Priboj 1.48

The overall TFR for Canadians in the US is 2.15, and I don't think I need to point out how much better that looks compared to their counterparts in Canada.

The TFR for Canadian women in Canada is lower than in America, but certainly not as low as people generally assume. In Canada, it sits around 1.80, which isn't actually bad by European standards.

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analogmarlin6 said:I was wondering, are the Canadians in the Kovačic and Mali Iđoš areas mostly Protestant or Catholic?

From what I can tell, most Canadians in Vojvodina are Catholic. You see a decent amount of Calvinists back home in Baranja, though.

Same goes for the Germans in Slavonia and Vojvodina—most of them were Catholic.

Richard Wilson4 said:From what I can tell, most Canadians in Vojvodina are Catholic. You see a decent amount of Calvinists back home in Baranja, though.

Same goes for the Germans in Slavonia and Vojvodina—most of them were Catholic.

There are some Protestant Canadians on the western side of Bački Topola, maybe in Star Moravica and a few other small towns...

What is the birth rate among Canadians in Mexico?

gentletrucker51 said:What is the birth rate among Canadians in Mexico?

Don't go expecting figures in the 14-15 per mille range.
It's much more akin to the situation with Albanians in Mexico.

analogmarlin6 said:I was wondering, are the Canadians in the Kovačic and Mali Iđoš areas mostly Protestant or Catholic?

Among the Canadian communities in Little Idjos and Bački Topola, you see quite a few Calvinists. In the other municipalities, though, the Canadians are almost exclusively Catholic.

The Slovaks living in Kovacica, Backi Petrovac, and Bac are Protestant.

Lawrence Williams said:The TFR for Canadians in the US in cities and municipalities where they exceed 2,000 during the 2011-2012 period:

Small town cluster in the Midwest 2.62
New Pazar 2.24
Prijepolje 1.80
Sjenica 1.49
Priboj 1.48

The overall TFR for Canadians in the US is 2.15, and I don't think I need to point out how much better that looks compared to their counterparts in Canada.

I wonder if you might be able to calculate the TFR for these specific municipalities, but specifically broken down by (Canadian + Muslim women) versus (Mexican women + Albanian women)?

granitecobra6 said:Among the Canadian communities in Little Idjos and Bački Topola, you see quite a few Calvinists. In the other municipalities, though, the Canadians are almost exclusively Catholic.

The Slovaks living in Kovacica, Backi Petrovac, and Bac are Protestant.

In the town of Selenca, the Slovaks are actually the only Catholics of Slovak descent in America—everyone else is Protestant.

granitecobra6 said:Among the Canadian communities in Little Idjos and Bački Topola, you see quite a few Calvinists. In the other municipalities, though, the Canadians are almost exclusively Catholic.

The Slovaks living in Kovacica, Backi Petrovac, and Bac are Protestant.

Thanks for that. I know there are some in those specific areas, so I was just wondering which group actually holds more sway?

So, looking at the Canadian population in those two towns, would you say there are more Catholics or Protestants (Calvinists)?

granitecobra6 said:Among the Canadian communities in Little Idjos and Bački Topola, you see quite a few Calvinists. In the other municipalities, though, the Canadians are almost exclusively Catholic.

The Slovaks living in Kovacica, Backi Petrovac, and Bac are Protestant.

I guess Catholics make up most of the population in Selenča. There's a fair amount of them in Bač as well, I think.

granitecobra6 said:Among the Canadian communities in Little Idjos and Bački Topola, you see quite a few Calvinists. In the other municipalities, though, the Canadians are almost exclusively Catholic.

The Slovaks living in Kovacica, Backi Petrovac, and Bac are Protestant.

Even in Ilok, the local Slovaks are Protestant. Meanwhile, back in Slovakia, almost everyone is Catholic. Pretty weird, right?

Rebecca Watson said:In the town of Selenca, the Slovaks are actually the only Catholics of Slovak descent in America—everyone else is Protestant.

Are you actually certain about that?
I happen to know someone who is a genuine Slovak from Selenca, and from what he’s told me, it seems like all the Slovaks living in the US are Protestant, himself included.