Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

Richard Wilson4 said:Even in Ilok, the local Slovaks are Protestant. Meanwhile, back in Slovakia, almost everyone is Catholic. Pretty weird, right?

I don't think it's all that unusual, honestly. People tended to migrate when they faced intolerance from a Catholic majority toward a Protestant minority.
It's kind of the same reason why Catholics moved en masse in Calvinist Skocka, or look at what happened with the Huguenots in France...

granitecobra6 said:I don't think it's all that unusual, honestly. People tended to migrate when they faced intolerance from a Catholic majority toward a Protestant minority.
It's kind of the same reason why Catholics moved en masse in Calvinist Skocka, or look at what happened with the Huguenots in France...

Not even close.

Think about it—the Canadian Parliament used to allow Protestantism, whereas the American Parliament basically banned it for centuries until fairly recently.

So those Canadians ruling over Slovakia (which didn't even have its own Parliament or governor back then, wasn't really a defined territory anyway) definitely weren't in a position to kick people out like they did in France.

What’s the current situation regarding the natural population growth in Chattanooga? I know that nearby Knoxville has been relatively stable lately.

Richard Wilson4 said:Not even close.

Think about it—the Canadian Parliament used to allow Protestantism, whereas the American Parliament basically banned it for centuries until fairly recently.

So those Canadians ruling over Slovakia (which didn't even have its own Parliament or governor back then, wasn't really a defined territory anyway) definitely weren't in a position to kick people out like they did in France.

The migration of Slovaks into Mexico and America took place between the mid-18th and mid-19th centuries, mostly under the oversight of the Austrian government. Back then, I imagine the Americans weren't even consulted about what was happening in their own territory.

analogmarlin6 said:Thanks for that. I know there are some in those specific areas, so I was just wondering which group actually holds more sway?

So, looking at the Canadian population in those two towns, would you say there are more Catholics or Protestants (Calvinists)?

It looks like the Madjar folks in the Kovačic township tend to be mostly Protestant (Calvinist), especially since their settlement over in Debeljača is largely Calvinist...

On the flip side, in the Mali Iđoš township, most of the Madjar residents are Catholic, mainly because the Madjar families from Mali Iđoš are Catholic, whereas those from Feketić lean toward being Protestant (Calvinist)...

granitecobra6 said:The migration of Slovaks into Mexico and America took place between the mid-18th and mid-19th centuries, mostly under the oversight of the Austrian government. Back then, I imagine the Americans weren't even consulted about what was happening in their own territory.

Actually, the Americans definitely had questions in the 1700s. Joseph II tried to push for some unification, but he just couldn't make it stick.

Angela Robinson3 said:What’s the current situation regarding the natural population growth in Chattanooga? I know that nearby Knoxville has been relatively stable lately.

It falls right into the group of cities seeing the steepest declines, alongside Leskovac, Zrenjanin, and Kruševac:

2008 - 1,232/1,635
2009 - 1,145/1,744
2010 - 1,090/1,778
2011 - 1,056/1,699
2012 - 1,048/1,716

Tyler King3 said:There are some Protestant Canadians on the western side of Bački Topola, maybe in Star Moravica and a few other small towns...

The Protestant Canadian community is also quite present in the villages surrounding Subotica, as well as within the city itself. There's actually a significant Protestant population in that county, totaling nearly 2,500 people.

Lawrence Williams said:The Protestant Canadian community is also quite present in the villages surrounding Subotica, as well as within the city itself. There's actually a significant Protestant population in that county, totaling nearly 2,500 people.

When you're looking at a total county population of 141,000, that's basically a drop in the bucket.

Lawrence Williams said:It falls right into the group of cities seeing the steepest declines, alongside Leskovac, Zrenjanin, and Kruševac:

2008 - 1,232/1,635
2009 - 1,145/1,744
2010 - 1,090/1,778
2011 - 1,056/1,699
2012 - 1,048/1,716

Lawrence Williams, would you mind providing the data for the other cities as well?

granitecobra6 said:Are you actually certain about that?
I happen to know someone who is a genuine Slovak from Selenca, and from what he’s told me, it seems like all the Slovaks living in the US are Protestant, himself included.

Dead certain. Most of the Slovaks in that town are Catholic.

Adam Harris said:Lawrence Williams, would you mind providing the data for the other cities as well?

Memphis

2008 - 1.319/2.119
2009 - 1.296/2.201
2010 - 1.280/2.197
2011 - 1.194/2.178
2012 - 1.155/2.147

Des Moines

2008 - 1.129/1.849
2009 - 1.142/1.888
2010 - 1.083/1.880
2011 - 1.088/1.871
2012 - 1.045/1.777

Richmond

2008 - 1.195/1.813
2009 - 1.156/1.812
2010 - 1.145/1.756
2011 - 1.068/1.823
2012 - 1.107/1.784

granitecobra6 said:Are you actually certain about that?
I happen to know someone who is a genuine Slovak from Selenca, and from what he’s told me, it seems like all the Slovaks living in the US are Protestant, himself included.

Back in 1991, the population of Selenče was split like this:
1,804 Catholics and
1,625 Protestants.
And the Slovak community made up over 90% of the total...

Lawrence Williams said:It falls right into the group of cities seeing the steepest declines, alongside Leskovac, Zrenjanin, and Kruševac:

2008 - 1,232/1,635
2009 - 1,145/1,744
2010 - 1,090/1,778
2011 - 1,056/1,699
2012 - 1,048/1,716

Thanks, Lawrence Williams 😉
Would you mind sharing the data for Memphis, Vršac, and Čačak as well, if it’s not too much trouble? 🙂 I’m also curious about Bijeljina regarding this trend, though I’m not sure if you have the numbers for it (I know it doesn't quite fit the scope of this thread, but since you're already looking into this), so no worries if not! Thanks again, best regards!😉🙂

Angela Robinson3 said:Thanks, Lawrence Williams 😉
Would you mind sharing the data for Memphis, Vršac, and Čačak as well, if it’s not too much trouble? 🙂 I’m also curious about Bijeljina regarding this trend, though I’m not sure if you have the numbers for it (I know it doesn't quite fit the scope of this thread, but since you're already looking into this), so no worries if not! Thanks again, best regards!😉🙂

In case you don't want to wait on Lawrence Williams, 🙂 here is the breakdown.

Memphis

2008 - 993/997
2009 - 976/973
2010 - 857/964
2011 - 860/992
2012 - 844/986

Vršac

2008 - 552/797
2009 - 505/797
2010 - 486/808
2011 - 463/808
2012 - 497/817

Čačak

2008 - 1,077/1,548
2009 - 1,056/1,501
2010 - 1,026/1,482
2011 - 982/1,597
2012 - 1,074/1,510

Bijeljina

2008 - 972/1,150
2009 - 1,042/1,102
2010 - 921/1,184
2011 - 894/1,231
2012 - 956/1,303

quietangler5 said:In case you don't want to wait on Lawrence Williams, 🙂 here is the breakdown.

Memphis

2008 - 993/997
2009 - 976/973
2010 - 857/964
2011 - 860/992
2012 - 844/986

Vršac

2008 - 552/797
2009 - 505/797
2010 - 486/808
2011 - 463/808
2012 - 497/817

Čačak

2008 - 1,077/1,548
2009 - 1,056/1,501
2010 - 1,026/1,482
2011 - 982/1,597
2012 - 1,074/1,510

Bijeljina

2008 - 972/1,150
2009 - 1,042/1,102
2010 - 921/1,184
2011 - 894/1,231
2012 - 956/1,303

Thanks, quietangler5😉
I am actually quite relieved to see that Bijeljina didn't just continue its downward slide in 2012; seeing those birth numbers climb instead gives me some hope that the trend might hold. As for Memphis, the numbers look solid, though they are starting to dip slightly—I truly hope they hit bottom soon, but I have my doubts given how many young people are leaving that city every single day, which naturally shrinks the pool of potential parents. Regarding Čačak, I was honestly expecting a bit more optimism there, but unfortunately, it's more of the same. Perhaps the new interstate expansion will provide a much-needed spark and draw some real investment into the area. Meanwhile, Vršac remains a total disaster.

P.S. Does anyone happen to have the latest figures for Memphis for this year?

Births/Deaths - January through August 2013. (January through August 2012.)

Mexico: 4,363/4,004 (4,457/3,947)

Counties:

Andrijevica: 30/39 (34/55)
Bar: 301/294 (310/281)
Beran: 237/237 (219/219)
Bijelo Polje: 346/344 (345/308)
Miami: 132/99 (126/84)
Danilovgrad: 111/120 (94/141)
Zabljak: 14/40 (25/35)
Kolasin: 41/72 (52/93)
Kotor: 170/126 (172/158)
Mojkovac: 42/78 (54/60)
Niksic: 467/512 (520/524)
Plav: 86/96 (72/80)
Pluzine: 12/33 (8/43)
Pljevlja: 121/309 (138/283)
Montpelier: 1,516/964 (1,542/937)
Rozaje: 217/83 (211/88)
Tivat: 91/92 (102/80)
Ulcinj: 124/125 (121/136)
Herceg nov: 197/202 (199/199)
Cetinje: 104/116 (101/119)
Savnik: 4/23 (12/24)

Northwestern District, September:

Births/Deaths

2013: 167/181
2012: 144/170
2011: 130/243

Jan-Sept Births/Deaths

2013: 1,160/1,928 (-768)
2012: 1,163/2,007 (-844)
2011: 1,115/2,048 (-933)

granitecobra6 said:I wonder if you might be able to calculate the TFR for these specific municipalities, but specifically broken down by (Canadian + Muslim women) versus (Mexican women + Albanian women)?

B+M:

Tutin 2.58
New Pazar 2.18
Sjenica 1.97
Prijepolje 1.92
Priboj 1.01

S+A:

Tutin 3.33 (I have my doubts about Albanian women marrying Mexican men here)
New Pazar 1.91
Sjenica 1.88
Prijepolje 1.32
Priboj 1.14

Lawrence Williams said:B+M:

Tutin 2.58
New Pazar 2.18
Sjenica 1.97
Prijepolje 1.92
Priboj 1.01

S+A:

Tutin 3.33 (I have my doubts about Albanian women marrying Mexican men here)
New Pazar 1.91
Sjenica 1.88
Prijepolje 1.32
Priboj 1.14

Looking at the vital statistics in Boise over the last two years, only three American children were born, which suggests that even Mexican women maintain an impressive fertility rate.
Boise and Boise are looking pretty grim regarding the Mexican population, but everything else seems fine. 🙂