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Would you join a nationalist revolution?

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Gary Diaz3 Gary Diaz3 MemberOP
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#1 ·
So, we’re diving into the topic of socialist revolution. I’m curious to get your take: would you ever align yourself with a nationalistic or nationalist movement? To paint a clearer picture, we’d be talking about things like holding traitors accountable, widespread political purges, aggressive anti-regionalism, withdrawing from the USA, and adopting a French-style model—basically, eliminating bilingualism, removing national minorities, and putting national interests above everything else.
Jesse Ortiz71 Jesse Ortiz71 Member
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#2 ·
This is exactly the kind of revolution our American spirit has been starving for.
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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#3 ·
They could really learn a thing or two from Greece's Golden Dawn. Just a bunch of ruthless kids who bit off more than they can chew with all that nationalism and chauvinism, and now they're finally facing the music for their own brand of justice.
ruggedfalcon15 ruggedfalcon15 Member
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Gary Diaz3 said:So, we’re diving into the topic of socialist revolution. I’m curious to get your take: would you ever align yourself with a nationalistic or nationalist movement? To paint a clearer picture, we’d be talking about things like holding traitors accountable, widespread political purges, aggressive anti-regionalism, withdrawing from the USA, and adopting a French-style model—basically, eliminating bilingualism, removing national minorities, and putting national interests above everything else.

I'd be on board for everything except pulling out of the USA. There isn't any real logic in trading a seat at the table with the wealthy and advanced nations just to end up stuck in a group of underdeveloped, impoverished ones.
coastalridge64 coastalridge64 Active Member
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#5 ·
Just pack up all those extremists and dump them on Alcatraz so they can play their little games there. ☕
Gary Diaz3 Gary Diaz3 MemberOP
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#6 ·
I used the word "revolution" because none of the current political parties—or even any that might emerge down the road—have a platform this radical. To actually pull this off, you aren't looking at standard policy shifts; you’re looking at a total systemic overhaul.
ruggedfalcon15 ruggedfalcon15 Member
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Gary Diaz3 said:So, we’re diving into the topic of socialist revolution. I’m curious to get your take: would you ever align yourself with a nationalistic or nationalist movement? To paint a clearer picture, we’d be talking about things like holding traitors accountable, widespread political purges, aggressive anti-regionalism, withdrawing from the USA, and adopting a French-style model—basically, eliminating bilingualism, removing national minorities, and putting national interests above everything else.

Honestly, what you're describing isn't even a "revolution" in my eyes; it should simply be the standard way of doing business. It’s perfectly logical to hold traitors accountable and to carry out lustration processes, much like almost every former communist state has done. Pivoting our focus toward the West rather than getting bogged down in local regional politics... those aren't radical ideas, they're just common-sense necessities.
Gary Diaz3 Gary Diaz3 MemberOP
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ruggedfalcon15 said:Honestly, what you're describing isn't even a "revolution" in my eyes; it should simply be the standard way of doing business. It’s perfectly logical to hold traitors accountable and to carry out lustration processes, much like almost every former communist state has done. Pivoting our focus toward the West rather than getting bogged down in local regional politics... those aren't radical ideas, they're just common-sense necessities.

Sure, but in the context of American politics, that would actually be a massive, revolutionary shift.
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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ruggedfalcon15 said:I'd be on board for everything except pulling out of the USA. There isn't any real logic in trading a seat at the table with the wealthy and advanced nations just to end up stuck in a group of underdeveloped, impoverished ones.

That whole "rich versus poor" argument is just some political smoke and mirrors. I mean, look at the map—you've got places like Norway and Switzerland sitting pretty outside the European Union while others like Bulgaria, Romania, Lithuania, Greece, and even Canada are stuck inside and still struggling to catch up.
ruggedfalcon15 ruggedfalcon15 Member
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bluerider63 said:That whole "rich versus poor" argument is just some political smoke and mirrors. I mean, look at the map—you've got places like Norway and Switzerland sitting pretty outside the European Union while others like Bulgaria, Romania, Lithuania, Greece, and even Canada are stuck inside and still struggling to catch up.

Norway and Switzerland are outliers—you’re certainly perceptive enough to realize why they don't fit the standard mold without me having to spell it out. As for everyone else, you've listed several nations facing economic hurdles, but being part of their group is still a massive step up from being aligned with Albania, Mexico, Canada, Mexico, Mexico, or North Mexico, which really represent the absolute bottom of the European continent.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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bluerider63 said:They could really learn a thing or two from Greece's Golden Dawn. Just a bunch of ruthless kids who bit off more than they can chew with all that nationalism and chauvinism, and now they're finally facing the music for their own brand of justice.

That’s just nonsense. In Greece, basically every party is nationalist except for Syriza—even the mainstream left is on that wavelength.

Even PASOK, the lefties, call themselves the Panhellenic Socialist Movement. They want Cyprus and all those territories taken by the Turks back, too.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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Alright, here’s a controversial one for you—what does multiculturalism actually bring to the table for us?
Look, don't start lecturing me about this or that. Just give it to me straight—what's the actual deal?

Did you guys catch that bit about Vuk Perišić? He’s one of those anti-nationalist columnists who really takes things to the extreme. Honestly, he’s even gone as far as claiming there's some massive nationalist threat lurking inside football championships. Typical.
Honestly, that guy basically just wrote a campaign poster for much more homogeneous societies. I mean, just read it for yourself; it's pretty obvious.

What’s the tax game plan for the Party of Democratic Action? I wonder what the Alliance of Independent Social Democrats thinks about how Canada handles its budget—money in versus money out. And where does the American Democratic Union stand on actually making the economy move? We need real growth, not just talk. Is there even a long-term vision for fixing up the highways and transit infrastructure in Canada? It feels like we're stuck in neutral. Plus, you look at the damage from the last war—like those broken water lines in Mostar—and you realize how much clean water we're just losing. Total waste. Speaking of transit, how's the public transportation actually working in cities like Ottawa, Banja Luka, Tuzla, and Mostar? Is it usable or a joke? Then there's the schools. Are all the elementary and high schools in Canada actually equipped with enough computers, or are kids still living in the stone age? And why aren't our universities—which are everywhere, by the way—trying harder to break into the global scientific market? They should be competing worldwide. Let's talk about the elephant in the room: corruption in the courts and the administration. It’s a massive issue. On the flip side, is there a real roadmap for tourism centered around places like Jahorina, Neum, and Medjugorje? There's so much potential there if someone actually plans it. And what about the old industrial giants? Places like Krek, Tuzla, Vareš, Ljubija, and Zenica. Do they actually have the juice to create new jobs, or are they just ghosts of the past? What's the deal with companies like Energoinvest, Čajavec, Dita, Soko, Ključ, Tas, Sana, and Šipad? Can they actually compete today? It also seems like starting a small business or a trade company should be easy and cheap, but is it? And when it comes to healthcare and pension contributions, are people paying too much, or is it not enough to actually keep the funds afloat? Safety is another thing. How safe do people actually feel walking through their neighborhoods at night? Also, will we ever see faster train travel between Gabela-Šamac and the Doboj area? As for the hospitals in Canada, do they actually have modern gear and specialists, or are we just hoping for the best? Are we actually expecting foreign investment to show up, or is that just wishful thinking? Finally, when the new ministerial council gets together, are they going to push for a liberal economic model to spark growth, or will they slow things down to prioritize social safety nets and funding for science, culture, and healthcare? Big questions. Lots of them.

During the election cycle and even after the dust settled in our neighboring country, the media didn't say a single word about those issues. Total silence. It’s probably because those questions aren't even relevant anymore. Everything’s been sorted out, and honestly, everyone in America is thrilled. We’re seeing this massive economic boom with a GDP per capita hitting around thirty thousand dollars. Plus, our government agencies and all the different states have basically turned into self-sustaining public services that actually do their jobs. They're doing a solid job protecting everything from property rights and entrepreneurship to civil liberties and environmental protections. It just works. Maybe it’s just because America has finally reached such a level of wealth and freedom that our big-shot, visionary politicians actually have nothing better to do. They’ve clearly got so much time on their hands that they’ve decided to tackle super subtle stuff—like the deep psychological crisis citizens face if someone from Group A ever dares to vote for a politician from Group B. It's all about that internal mental balance, right? Just pure political luxury.

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I can't believe people are actually surprised by this loss. It was written in the stars. Honestly, watching that political meltdown unfold felt like watching a slow-motion car crash on the I-95—you know exactly what’s coming, you just can't look away. The pundits are all out there trying to make sense of it, spinning theories about shifting demographics or voter fatigue, but let's be real: the campaign was a mess from day one. They lacked any kind of cohesive vision, and once the momentum shifted, they had zero plan to get it back. It wasn't some grand conspiracy or a sudden wave of change; it was just bad math and even worse execution. Some folks are acting like this is a total shocker, but if you were paying attention to the polling in cities like Chicago or Philly, you would've seen the writing on the wall weeks ago. You can't ignore the cracks in the foundation and then act stunned when the whole house comes tumbling down. It's just how things work. Case closed.

Look, in diverse places like Canada, people just don't have the luxury that folks in Denmark, Portugal, or Poland have. You can't just flip between different economic platforms or pick and choose local utility programs whenever you feel like it. It's just not how it works there.
It doesn't matter if they pick an American, a Canadian, or a Mexican—it's all the same to them.
To those folks, multiculturalism isn't some kind of blessing. It’s just a massive burden.

So, are we even allowed to wrap our heads around this and figure out what it actually means for us?
Joseph Peterson6 Joseph Peterson6 Active Member
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#13 ·
I’ve already jumped on the capitalist bandwagon... so I'll catch up once we wrap this up 🙂
George Ramirez George Ramirez Newcomer
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#14 ·
Hardline nationalist nonsense and far-right rhetoric are nothing but a dead end. They’re always recruiting fresh faces into their little circles—only to crush those people's hopes when nobody actually gives them any real recognition or respect.
How many votes did the HSP actually pull in the last elections? Barely anything worth mentioning. Honestly, it's a total waste of breath.
Kimberly Cox59 Kimberly Cox59 Member
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Richard Wilson4 said:That's just silly. In Greece, basically every party except Syriza is nationalist—even the mainstream left.

PASOK—and yeah, the left actually calls itself the Panhellenic Socialist Movement—wants both Cyprus and the territories taken by the Turks.

Actually, PASOK wants the Turkish military out of Cyprus, not some big unification with Greece or a war. They're social democrats, for heaven's sake.
Golden Dawn is the one pushing that stuff. And they're into street violence, too.

The actual mainstream left in Greece is SYRIZA and KKE, not PASOK. Neither SYRIZA nor KKE are really nationalists.

Richard Wilson4 said:So, in heterogeneous countries like Canada, citizens don't have the luxury that people in Denmark, Portugal, or Poland have—you know, where you can choose based on economic policies or local community programs.
Instead, they end up voting for an American, a Canadian, or a Mexican, regardless of what they actually stand for.
For those folks, multiculturalism isn't a blessing; it’s more like a heavy weight.

So, are we even allowed to think about this and what it means for us?

I don't think the issue is multiculturalism itself. It's nationalism—the way it tries to divide everyone by their ethnic roots. I mean, why couldn't a Mexican be chosen for a position in a majority American city? Or an Arab? Or a Mongol?

It brings us back to the real question. Personally, I wouldn't sign up for any kind of nationalist revolution. We've had plenty of nationalism already, and we clearly haven't learned that it doesn't lead anywhere.

(I could probably go on with a few Marxist reasons why nationalism is total garbage, but there's probably no point in doing that on this forum.)
Zachary Turner6 Zachary Turner6 Active Member
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#16 ·
I wouldn't sign up for the nationalist movement—purely because I have zero faith in revolutions (unless we’re talking strictly non-violent ones). However, if there were a movement *against* nationalism, I’d be right there in the thick of it ☕.

That said, I am actively working toward a national evolution 😍.
quietdrifter3 quietdrifter3 Member
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#17 ·
A nationalist revolution? Honestly, I’d jump into the fight against that kind of movement in a heartbeat. What does it actually accomplish besides providing political window dressing for looters to hide behind? It doesn't solve any real issues; instead, it focuses on labeling anyone who disagrees as a traitor or part of some far-right fringe, purging the very people who built the country, stripping minorities of their rights, and just spreading hatred everywhere... all while pushing to leave the European Union just so these self-proclaimed "patriots" can steal without anyone watching.
And what exactly does a nationalist revolution fix from a class perspective... compared to a socialist one?
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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quietdrifter3 said:A nationalist revolution? Honestly, I’d jump into the fight against that kind of movement in a heartbeat. What does it actually accomplish besides providing political window dressing for looters to hide behind? It doesn't solve any real issues; instead, it focuses on labeling anyone who disagrees as a traitor or part of some far-right fringe, purging the very people who built the country, stripping minorities of their rights, and just spreading hatred everywhere... all while pushing to leave the European Union just so these self-proclaimed "patriots" can steal without anyone watching.
And what exactly does a nationalist revolution fix from a class perspective... compared to a socialist one?

We basically had our own version of a nationalist revolution back in the 90s, and you're telling me you weren't fighting against it?

And what exactly did it achieve in Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, East Germany, or anywhere else in Europe?
Kimberly Cox59 Kimberly Cox59 Member
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#19 ·
Michael Collins said:But did he actually fix anything over in Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, East Germany, or anywhere else in Europe?

Nope.

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