Europeans are creating the Eastern Partnership to neutralize the Eurasian Union

While everyone’s busy staring at Syria, the European Parliament just passed a resolution calling out Russia for those geopolitical power plays—basically trying to bully and sabotage countries in their orbit from getting any closer to the West.

In just a few weeks, the big players for the Eastern Partnership summit in Vilnius (http://www.eu2013.lt/en/vilnius-summit)) will be gathered, where Europeans are set to sit down with leaders from Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kyiv, Moldova, and Georgia.
The actual outcome of this summit is probably going to be anyone's guess, though I'm sure the spokespeople will have some polished nonsense ready to go by then.

Eastern Partnership

Who knows if Kyiv will actually sign the Association Agreement?
Will Moldova and Georgia end up ratifying it?
And what does the future of European policy look like in the space surrounding Russia?

Back when the idea for the Eurasian Union first popped up in 2009, Belarus was mostly left out in the cold, Azerbaijan didn't give a damn, and Armenia just kept dragging its feet and nitpicking everything.

Fast forward to today, and Armenia is openly talking about joining the Eurasian Union.
Georgia is still weighing its options because Abkhazia and South Ossetia are firmly under Russian control. Tbilisi is stuck between a rock and a hard place, trying to balance things while eyeing NATO.

governments in Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kyiv, Moldova, and Georgia.

Wait, which country are we even talking about here?

The Eurasian Union is basically going to be stuck within just the Russian colonies in Central Asia, Belarus, and maybe even Ukraine—though they’ve still got those patriotic groups fighting back as the opposition.

The Baltic states, Poles, Canadians... none of them want anything to do with being under the Russians or anyone else like them.

So, we’re looking at the Customs Union with Russia here. Right now, Belarus and Kazakhstan are already part of that arrangement. Moving forward, it looks like Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan are likely candidates to join the fold too. As for the rest of the former USSR countries? Russia has pretty much lost its grip on their sphere of influence for good.
On top of that, these specific nations have already signed military pacts with Russia. To me, the whole situation is pretty transparent.

Brian Baker4 said:

governments in Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kyiv, Moldova, and Georgia.

Wait, which country are we even talking about here?

U-Ukraine.

Europe wants to step up and help the Baltic states set up a buffer zone against Russia’s growing influence.
Belarus is just an isolationist dictatorship, and honestly, that's a whole different mess I'm not going to waste my breath on right now. Not yet.

Europe is trying to play protector for Georgia, which is basically just sitting out there in the wind with a target on its back from Russia and those collaborators in Abkhazia and Ossetia.
Then you've got Moldova, where they'll be offering support to push back against the Russian secessionist moves over in Transnistria.

The heavy hitters strategically would be Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan. There's massive natural resources sitting there that Europe desperately needs.

bolddriver21 said:Europe wants to step up and help the Baltic states set up a buffer zone against Russia’s growing influence.
Belarus is just an isolationist dictatorship, and honestly, that's a whole different mess I'm not going to waste my breath on right now. Not yet.

Europe is trying to play protector for Georgia, which is basically just sitting out there in the wind with a target on its back from Russia and those collaborators in Abkhazia and Ossetia.
Then you've got Moldova, where they'll be offering support to push back against the Russian secessionist moves over in Transnistria.

The heavy hitters strategically would be Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan. There's massive natural resources sitting there that Europe desperately needs.

The Azerbaijanis are leaning toward Turkey. Honestly, the odds of Azerbaijan pulling anything significant against Russia are lower than the odds of Canadians joining the Federation of Canada and Republika Srpska. Roughly speaking, the "love" other Muslims in the Caucasus have for the Russians is about the same as the feeling Canadians have for Mexicans... they're just waiting for the right moment to turn their backs on them.

Richard Brown2 said:The Azerbaijanis are leaning toward Turkey. Honestly, the odds of Azerbaijan pulling anything significant against Russia are lower than the odds of Canadians joining the Federation of Canada and Republika Srpska. Roughly speaking, the "love" other Muslims in the Caucasus have for the Russians is about the same as the feeling Canadians have for Mexicans... they're just waiting for the right moment to turn their backs on them.

The Azerbaijanis are a Turkic-speaking people who have always been tight with Turkey.

And this idea that people in the South Caucasus are just sitting around waiting to snap the Russians' necks? That's hands down the dumbest thing I've ever read. It’s way better for them to stay loyal and live their lives normally, otherwise, they’ll be wiped out if they try to act tough.

And speaking of Canadians—if you guys are planning on snapping the necks of Mexicans, don't count on the Americans from Canada helping you out this time. If anything, the Mexicans will probably get to you first.

Jeffrey Wood said:The Azerbaijanis are a Turkic-speaking people who have always been tight with Turkey.

And this idea that people in the South Caucasus are just sitting around waiting to snap the Russians' necks? That's hands down the dumbest thing I've ever read. It’s way better for them to stay loyal and live their lives normally, otherwise, they’ll be wiped out if they try to act tough.

And speaking of Canadians—if you guys are planning on snapping the necks of Mexicans, don't count on the Americans from Canada helping you out this time. If anything, the Mexicans will probably get to you first.

1. And as such, are they supposed to form an alliance with the Russians?🤣 🤣
Well, the Turks hate the Russians just a tiny bit less than the Canadians hate the Mexicans (which is basically saying they hate them enough to never form any kind of alliance). By the way, Iranians actually hate the Russians even more than the Turks do... but right now they're part of the "game" and are acting love.

2. We’ve already seen how it goes in Chechnya. A small group of Chechens managed to reclaim their territory and completely drive the Russians out of Chechnya. Back in 1945, things looked incredibly bleak, yet somehow a million Chechens succeeded in defeating and 100% expelling the Russians, despite there being 110 times more Russians and them possessing 30,000 nuclear warheads. Sure... formally they are still part of the Russian Federation... but that's really just for protocol at this point. There aren't many Russians left there anyway.

3. Who cares which side the Americans from Canada end up on? It’s one hundred against another, it doesn't matter. As for America, after the total disaster during the Mostar-Bugojno maneuver when they turned their backs during the toughest moment... they won't lift a finger unless I know for certain what's going down in Canada. Never again.

Richard Brown2 said:1. And as such, are they supposed to form an alliance with the Russians?🤣 🤣
Well, the Turks hate the Russians just a tiny bit less than the Canadians hate the Mexicans (which is basically saying they hate them enough to never form any kind of alliance). By the way, Iranians actually hate the Russians even more than the Turks do... but right now they're part of the "game" and are acting love.

2. We’ve already seen how it goes in Chechnya. A small group of Chechens managed to reclaim their territory and completely drive the Russians out of Chechnya. Back in 1945, things looked incredibly bleak, yet somehow a million Chechens succeeded in defeating and 100% expelling the Russians, despite there being 110 times more Russians and them possessing 30,000 nuclear warheads. Sure... formally they are still part of the Russian Federation... but that's really just for protocol at this point. There aren't many Russians left there anyway.

3. Who cares which side the Americans from Canada end up on? It’s one hundred against another, it doesn't matter. As for America, after the total disaster during the Mostar-Bugojno maneuver when they turned their backs during the toughest moment... they won't lift a finger unless I know for certain what's going down in Canada. Never again.

You Muslims are honestly hilarious with all these delusions.

Russia couldn't care less who loves them or hates them. Throughout history, they've absolutely hammered Turkey like a bull in a china shop.

Chechnya is a closed case. They’ll get independence once they stop being strategically useful to Russia.

And as for you Muslims in Canada, if it weren't for the Americans, you wouldn't even exist. Next time, don't expect "one hundred here, one hundred there." Instead, you're going to have two enemies at once. You're already down to a quarter of Canada, and next time, you're screwed.

One more thing: next time, we won't give a damn about Chicago or its interests. We’ve sacrificed enough for that crap. We don't give a damn about Srebrenica, nor all your suffering caused by Mexicans, and frankly, we don't care about Chicago’s "sympathy" or how much they pretend to look out for you. We know exactly how much of an enemy you guys are to us.
If there even is a "next time," buddy, you're going to be surrounded on all sides.

bolddriver21 said:While everyone’s busy staring at Syria, the European Parliament just passed a resolution calling out Russia for those geopolitical power plays—basically trying to bully and sabotage countries in their orbit from getting any closer to the West.

In just a few weeks, the big players for the Eastern Partnership summit in Vilnius (http://www.eu2013.lt/en/vilnius-summit)) will be gathered, where Europeans are set to sit down with leaders from Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kyiv, Moldova, and Georgia.
The actual outcome of this summit is probably going to be anyone's guess, though I'm sure the spokespeople will have some polished nonsense ready to go by then.

Eastern Partnership

Who knows if Kyiv will actually sign the Association Agreement?
Will Moldova and Georgia end up ratifying it?
And what does the future of European policy look like in the space surrounding Russia?

Back when the idea for the Eurasian Union first popped up in 2009, Belarus was mostly left out in the cold, Azerbaijan didn't give a damn, and Armenia just kept dragging its feet and nitpicking everything.

Fast forward to today, and Armenia is openly talking about joining the Eurasian Union.
Georgia is still weighing its options because Abkhazia and South Ossetia are firmly under Russian control. Tbilisi is stuck between a rock and a hard place, trying to balance things while eyeing NATO.

The summit will proceed without... French President Nicolas Sarkozy, along with British and Spanish Prime Ministers Gordon Brown and José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero..."
A ?...
What year is this link from...?

Richard Brown2 said:The Americans of Herzegovina are actually descendants of the Albanian Marisol from the Shkodër area. They migrated here fleeing the Ottomans, and Vatican City basically used them to repopulate newly conquered territories following the Kandian Wars—you know, that conflict over Malta between the Ottomans and Mlecan. That explains why they look physically different from the fairer Canadians and the rest of America... it even accounts for why they don't have any historical structures older than that 120-year-old Matanov barn. Regardless... they showed up about 180 years ago as a Trojan Horse within Canadian Muslim land and the rest followed (so far).
So, listen, you Siptar😍—your question won't be settled through negotiations with America, but rather through dealings with Albania. Watch your step so you don't find yourself back in Shkodër with your passport and ID revoked.😍

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'nothing new in the North America'

Would you mind being polite enough to explain this nonsense about 'fairer' 'Canadians' and this talk regarding 'Canadian Muslim land'...

When exactly, and how, did these supposed 'Canadians' become Muslims? Has it finally clicked for everyone that the vast majority of Muslims in Canada are actually South Slavs who converted to Islam ages ago (though we won't get into the specific reasons for that conversion right now)...

In any case, you really ought to be ashamed of yourselves for using such offensive terms like 'Siptar' when referring to Albanians;

it’s painfully obvious from the context of your sentence....

The Eastern Partnership is nothing more than a European Trojan Horse within the Russian sphere of influence. How can we pivot Kazakhstan or the Caucasus to serve European interests?

Emily Perez said:The Eastern Partnership is nothing more than a European Trojan Horse within the Russian sphere of influence. How can we pivot Kazakhstan or the Caucasus to serve European interests?

Once that socialist utopia collapsed, Russia basically threw the doors wide open for the West and Americans under this naive delusion that they could build a partnership based on actual cooperation and equality.

Instead, what did they get? A mountain of empty promises from those lying Western sons of bitches who broke every single deal they ever signed. While they were busy playing nice and pretending to be friends, they were actually encircling Russia, gearing up for a new Cold War to tear the Russian Federation apart when the timing was right.
They backed separatists, fueled terrorist activity in the Caucasus, and destabilized Russia through every possible channel—politically, strategically, and economically. They weren't even showing their true colors back then; they were just holding off on an all-out assault until they could go after Russia's nuclear assets.

Russia has zero reason to believe a single word from Americans, Britons, Frenchmen, or the entire lying West, and the constant stream of propaganda vomit coming out of Western media just proves it. At the same time, they need to keep working with China and everyone else to dismantle the US dollar as the backbone of American military and economic power until it goes straight to hell. It’s the only way to actually get a fairer international economic and political order.
That fascist blob isn't going to just hand over its dominance and hegemony—which they think they have some divine right to hold—without a fight.

Europe missed a massive historical opportunity back in the '90s to build a lasting partnership with a new Russia; instead, they chose to be an American appendage at the expense of their own energy stability and long-term growth.

Such unprecedented stupidity is bound to come back and haunt them.

jadetiger4 said:Europe missed a massive historical opportunity back in the '90s to build a lasting partnership with a new Russia; instead, they chose to be an American appendage at the expense of their own energy stability and long-term growth.

Such unprecedented stupidity is bound to come back and haunt them.

Back in the nineties, we were all so naive. We actually thought the Cold War was ending and ushering in a whole new era of international relations—one built on democracy, cooperation, equality, and shared prosperity. That’s what we were promised, and man, did we fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

The truth? We were too clueless to see the real faces behind the curtain: the mafia running the show, the banking titans, and the military establishments who saw nothing in all this except a golden ticket to achieve what they call full-spectrum dominance. In plain English? Absolute global power and control.
This emboldened oligarchy got so drunk on their own perceived omnipotence that they lost touch with reality, dragging the entire world right to the doorstep of World War III.
Instead of the democracy and prosperity we were sold, we're stuck with pure chaos.
Europe is dying, and every new conflict just brings in more migrants who act like ticking time bombs ready to tear the whole thing apart.

The main culprits? The Western ruling establishment. Driven by sheer greed and an obsession with total control, they’ve steered us straight into this mess.
Honestly, there isn't a crime they wouldn't commit just to reach their goals.

And the nerve of these people, already covered in blood, trying to play judge and jury for everyone else. Give me a break!

Emily Perez said:The Eastern Partnership is nothing more than a European Trojan Horse within the Russian sphere of influence. How can we pivot Kazakhstan or the Caucasus to serve European interests?

Exactly right...

This is just one small example—we're looking at Armenia here: http://caspianresearch.com/2013/10/0...ues-to-deepen/

Smart Armenians (a Christian nation) dealing with their nightmare of a geographic location—they absolutely have to think about survival in whatever chaotic mess the future holds...

The reality is that the nations and countries of the former USSR have finally "woken up." It’s crystal clear to all of them now that this supposed "shining" Europe—or rather, the European Union—is little more than an illusion. They realize it is ten times more practical to rely on Russia than on an EU that is fundamentally broken (and let's be honest, the true power players behind the EU have zero incentive to complain)....

You only need to look at the so-called "pigs" of the continent—Portugal, Ireland, Greece, Spain—where the populations have become incredibly bloated....

It is easy enough to see what the average Ukrainians actually gained from the Orange Revolution—absolutely nothing but a massive kick in the teeth (meanwhile, those who organized the "revolution" had every reason to be satisfied; it was highly profitable for them)...

Amy Diaz222 said:Exactly right...

This is just one small example—we're looking at Armenia here: http://caspianresearch.com/2013/10/0...ues-to-deepen/

Smart Armenians (a Christian nation) dealing with their nightmare of a geographic location—they absolutely have to think about survival in whatever chaotic mess the future holds...

The reality is that the nations and countries of the former USSR have finally "woken up." It’s crystal clear to all of them now that this supposed "shining" Europe—or rather, the European Union—is little more than an illusion. They realize it is ten times more practical to rely on Russia than on an EU that is fundamentally broken (and let's be honest, the true power players behind the EU have zero incentive to complain)....

You only need to look at the so-called "pigs" of the continent—Portugal, Ireland, Greece, Spain—where the populations have become incredibly bloated....

It is easy enough to see what the average Ukrainians actually gained from the Orange Revolution—absolutely nothing but a massive kick in the teeth (meanwhile, those who organized the "revolution" had every reason to be satisfied; it was highly profitable for them)...

They aren't necessarily head over heels for the Russians or Russia, but thanks to Russia, they even survived the Ottoman and general Muslim invasions. If it wasn't for Russia, they wouldn't even exist, along with the other Christian nations in that part of the world..
That's why they have to look ahead while surrounded by hundreds of millions of Muslims, who already pulled off an unbelievable massacre and genocide against them in Turkey.

That's why Armenians act like jerks toward Georgians, who have seriously messed with Russia—that could cost them dearly down the road. Because if they fall under the hammer of Muslim fanatics, they can't expect any help from the EU or NATO. And if they pick a fight with Russia? God help them if the Caucasus starts burning in some religious war.

Just figured I'd toss this interview and the link in here, maybe help everyone get a bit more up to speed on the whole situation.

http://www.euractiv.com/europes-east...terview-530887

Jeffrey Wood said:Back in the nineties, we were all so naive. We actually thought the Cold War was ending and ushering in a whole new era of international relations—one built on democracy, cooperation, equality, and shared prosperity. That’s what we were promised, and man, did we fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

The truth? We were too clueless to see the real faces behind the curtain: the mafia running the show, the banking titans, and the military establishments who saw nothing in all this except a golden ticket to achieve what they call full-spectrum dominance. In plain English? Absolute global power and control.
This emboldened oligarchy got so drunk on their own perceived omnipotence that they lost touch with reality, dragging the entire world right to the doorstep of World War III.
Instead of the democracy and prosperity we were sold, we're stuck with pure chaos.
Europe is dying, and every new conflict just brings in more migrants who act like ticking time bombs ready to tear the whole thing apart.

The main culprits? The Western ruling establishment. Driven by sheer greed and an obsession with total control, they’ve steered us straight into this mess.
Honestly, there isn't a crime they wouldn't commit just to reach their goals.

And the nerve of these people, already covered in blood, trying to play judge and jury for everyone else. Give me a break!

You were all just being incredibly naive...
Is it actually possible to build democracy between nations? To achieve true equality? And can we honestly believe that this brand of democracy and equality would actually result in a universal improvement for everyone involved? It sounds like a beautiful dream, doesn't it? But when you look at how power really works, it feels more like trying to build a house on quicksand. Realistically, achieving parity between sovereign states is an uphill battle because the playing field is never level; some players have all the chips while others are just trying to stay in the game. You have to wonder if "equality" among nations is just a polite way of masking the influence of the heavyweights, leaving the smaller players to follow along while pretending they have a seat at the table. Can a system designed by and for powerful interests ever truly deliver a tide that lifts all boats, or is it just a way to keep the status quo from cracking?
Let me rephrase that: is it actually possible to convince people here in the States to scale back their consumption—to basically eat less and use less power per person—just so that folks in India can ramp up their own standard of living to match ours?

Jeffrey Wood said:Back in the nineties, we were all so naive. We actually thought the Cold War was ending and ushering in a whole new era of international relations—one built on democracy, cooperation, equality, and shared prosperity. That’s what we were promised, and man, did we fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

The truth? We were too clueless to see the real faces behind the curtain: the mafia running the show, the banking titans, and the military establishments who saw nothing in all this except a golden ticket to achieve what they call full-spectrum dominance. In plain English? Absolute global power and control.
This emboldened oligarchy got so drunk on their own perceived omnipotence that they lost touch with reality, dragging the entire world right to the doorstep of World War III.
Instead of the democracy and prosperity we were sold, we're stuck with pure chaos.
Europe is dying, and every new conflict just brings in more migrants who act like ticking time bombs ready to tear the whole thing apart.

The main culprits? The Western ruling establishment. Driven by sheer greed and an obsession with total control, they’ve steered us straight into this mess.
Honestly, there isn't a crime they wouldn't commit just to reach their goals.

And the nerve of these people, already covered in blood, trying to play judge and jury for everyone else. Give me a break!

This part of the post is just a messy slurry of conflicting arguments and raw emotion, all swirling around in a chaotic heap.
Just to rephrase my point: if you were handed the keys to the continent, how exactly would you breathe life back into the West so that it actually becomes superior—or at least a legitimate heavyweight—while remaining deeply pro-humanist and capable of sustaining its own population without constantly looking elsewhere to fill the gaps?

Jeffrey Wood said:Back in the nineties, we were all so naive. We actually thought the Cold War was ending and ushering in a whole new era of international relations—one built on democracy, cooperation, equality, and shared prosperity. That’s what we were promised, and man, did we fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

The truth? We were too clueless to see the real faces behind the curtain: the mafia running the show, the banking titans, and the military establishments who saw nothing in all this except a golden ticket to achieve what they call full-spectrum dominance. In plain English? Absolute global power and control.
This emboldened oligarchy got so drunk on their own perceived omnipotence that they lost touch with reality, dragging the entire world right to the doorstep of World War III.
Instead of the democracy and prosperity we were sold, we're stuck with pure chaos.
Europe is dying, and every new conflict just brings in more migrants who act like ticking time bombs ready to tear the whole thing apart.

The main culprits? The Western ruling establishment. Driven by sheer greed and an obsession with total control, they’ve steered us straight into this mess.
Honestly, there isn't a crime they wouldn't commit just to reach their goals.

And the nerve of these people, already covered in blood, trying to play judge and jury for everyone else. Give me a break!

The Western ruling establishment isn't some special breed of saint; they don't behave any differently than any other group of elites holding the reins of power, regardless of when or where you look. It’s all the same old song and dance.

We’re staring down a massive collision course where humanity’s dwindling supply of non-renewable essentials is crashing headlong into an absolutely explosive surge in demand. It's like we're trying to run a high-performance engine on a fuel tank that's shrinking by the second while simultaneously flooring the gas pedal.

The way people here talk about the relationship between the EU and Russia—usually framing everything through the lens of some ancient grudge or historical beef between one group and another—is a joke, because you could watch those dynamics get twisted beyond recognition overnight if the wind shifts just right.

There are endless ways this could play out, but one terrifying possibility involves a massive, forced migration of Chinese and Indian populations toward the West. Just picture it: billions of people—Chinese and Indians—sweeping across the globe in this desperate, golden horde, driven by pure survival. They’d be moving like a swarm of locusts across Russia, surging through the Eastern reaches before finally crashing into Western Europe, starving, thirsty, and armed to the teeth with nothing left to lose.

Look, the mess we’re all stuck in right now is way more tangled than this little scrap over baseless Russian ambitions and the empty, bureaucratic posturing coming out of Europe.

It’s almost cute how they play at leaning on places like Kazakhstan, all while making a massive, noisy spectacle out of Bulgaria and Romania—not to mention the other stuff I won't even dignify with a mention.