Peter Phillips32 said:There’s this fundamental flaw baked right into how people describe those brief moments of unknown, and honestly, there might be a massive mistake in even treating these little flashes of unknown as something inherently "good" or beneficial for the individual.
Think about it—someone living in an unaware state is basically stumbling through life with blurry vision, totally clueless about what the world actually looks like through the eyes of someone who is truly awake. There's a massive gulf between being unaware and being awake, even if both states technically persist. If an unaware person hits one of those short bursts of unknown, they suddenly see things with total clarity, but then, almost instantly, they slide right back into their usual fog where everything is hazy again.
So, if the world is a blur to them normally, then whatever clarity they caught during that flash of unknown becomes just as inaccessible once the moment passes and the vision goes fuzzy again. This means that pretty much any description of "clarity"—unless it was literally scribbled down while the person was mid-unknown—is fundamentally flawed and unreliable because it’s being recounted from a state of blurred vision.
And hey, let's throw another layer onto this fundamental mess.
It’s worth asking: just how much clearer does an unaware person actually see during one of these brief bursts? I mean, what kind of metric can you even use to verify the depth or the scale of that clarity when it hits them?
Unless an unaware person reaches the exact same level of perception and insight as someone who is fully awake during that burst, you can't really trust that what they saw was actually accurate.
But man, that just opens up a whole new rabbit hole of questions.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
So "lucid"! 🙂
Man, after reading that, a picture popped into my head. I'll try to sketch it out here...
MMMMM MMMM MM mmmmm Mmmm m m
.................................................. ....................
The top row represents (for now) thoughts and the gaps between thoughts. The second row is those little dots that are always there—kind of like the "background" or the "screen" where thoughts and the absence of thought show up. I don't know how else to explain it besides using that unknown perspective. The top row is dualistic, the dots are non-dual, and together they make up an incomprehensible truth—neither dual nor non-dual, neither both nor neither. Just pure Consciousness, Life, Oneness...
Right now, most people are stuck in
MMMMM MMMM.
MMMMM MMMM means people are living almost entirely inside their heads, so they don't even see those dots underneath; they only see the world through their programmed, filtered lenses...
"Those with limited vision are fearful and indecisive: the faster they rush, the slower they progress." — Seng-Tsan
Those bolded "Mm" letters represent those heavy, rigid filters. But there are these tiny moments where those filters drop—intervals and pauses between thoughts—and because of those empty spaces, you can actually see "below" at the non-dual dots. That interval is that moment of unknown, like a slice of Pure Consciousness. A brief "Seeing" without the mental chatter. You just "see the absence of thought." But pretty soon, the mind comes rushing back in, all bold and strong, trying to explain away the unexplainable (the mind's whole thing is trying to shove everything into some neat little box 🤣)
Peter Phillips32 said:There’s this fundamental flaw baked right into how people describe those brief moments of unknown, and honestly, there might be a massive mistake in even treating these little flashes of unknown as something inherently "good" or beneficial for the individual.
Think about it—someone living in an unaware state is basically stumbling through life with blurry vision, totally clueless about what the world actually looks like through the eyes of someone who is truly awake. There's a massive gulf between being unaware and being awake, even if both states technically persist. If an unaware person hits one of those short bursts of unknown, they suddenly see things with total clarity, but then, almost instantly, they slide right back into their usual fog where everything is hazy again.
So, if the world is a blur to them normally, then whatever clarity they caught during that flash of unknown becomes just as inaccessible once the moment passes and the vision goes fuzzy again. This means that pretty much any description of "clarity"—unless it was literally scribbled down while the person was mid-unknown—is fundamentally flawed and unreliable because it’s being recounted from a state of blurred vision.
And hey, let's throw another layer onto this fundamental mess.
It’s worth asking: just how much clearer does an unaware person actually see during one of these brief bursts? I mean, what kind of metric can you even use to verify the depth or the scale of that clarity when it hits them?
Unless an unaware person reaches the exact same level of perception and insight as someone who is fully awake during that burst, you can't really trust that what they saw was actually accurate.
But man, that just opens up a whole new rabbit hole of questions.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
Once that "clear vision" window shuts, everything gets clouded by heavy mental noise or just that "empty void" feeling. And honestly, every description of true clarity,
including the stuff written during those brief flashes, is totally flawed and inaccurate because it's written from memory via a blurred lens. It’s all written after the fact, trying to use words in a > way, because you can't describe it non-dually—you can only "feel" it. ----> "See for yourself" Shoitsu
Peter Phillips32 said:There’s this fundamental flaw baked right into how people describe those brief moments of unknown, and honestly, there might be a massive mistake in even treating these little flashes of unknown as something inherently "good" or beneficial for the individual.
Think about it—someone living in an unaware state is basically stumbling through life with blurry vision, totally clueless about what the world actually looks like through the eyes of someone who is truly awake. There's a massive gulf between being unaware and being awake, even if both states technically persist. If an unaware person hits one of those short bursts of unknown, they suddenly see things with total clarity, but then, almost instantly, they slide right back into their usual fog where everything is hazy again.
So, if the world is a blur to them normally, then whatever clarity they caught during that flash of unknown becomes just as inaccessible once the moment passes and the vision goes fuzzy again. This means that pretty much any description of "clarity"—unless it was literally scribbled down while the person was mid-unknown—is fundamentally flawed and unreliable because it’s being recounted from a state of blurred vision.
And hey, let's throw another layer onto this fundamental mess.
It’s worth asking: just how much clearer does an unaware person actually see during one of these brief bursts? I mean, what kind of metric can you even use to verify the depth or the scale of that clarity when it hits them?
Unless an unaware person reaches the exact same level of perception and insight as someone who is fully awake during that burst, you can't really trust that what they saw was actually accurate.
But man, that just opens up a whole new rabbit hole of questions.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
I think there's a slight misunderstanding here.
During those brief flashes of clarity, "Seeing Sees" with absolute, unmistakable sharpness—it's just a fleeting, inexplicable taste of Truth. When you're in that state of pure "Awareness," there's zero need to try and measure how wide or deep that clarity is. There's just no reason to. Only the > or the persona would feel the need to check. And that "checking" is exactly what causes the window to slam shut, clouding everything up with overthinking, analyzing, proving things, comparing it to what they already know, or getting lost in that hollow emptiness... it just smudges the lens. But even a millisecond feels like an eternity, and that tiny flash leaves such a sweet, permanent mark that it can totally change someone's life without actually changing anything at all. Before long, another, more lasting interval shows up. 😉 You can't force it.
Peter Phillips32 said:There’s this fundamental flaw baked right into how people describe those brief moments of unknown, and honestly, there might be a massive mistake in even treating these little flashes of unknown as something inherently "good" or beneficial for the individual.
Think about it—someone living in an unaware state is basically stumbling through life with blurry vision, totally clueless about what the world actually looks like through the eyes of someone who is truly awake. There's a massive gulf between being unaware and being awake, even if both states technically persist. If an unaware person hits one of those short bursts of unknown, they suddenly see things with total clarity, but then, almost instantly, they slide right back into their usual fog where everything is hazy again.
So, if the world is a blur to them normally, then whatever clarity they caught during that flash of unknown becomes just as inaccessible once the moment passes and the vision goes fuzzy again. This means that pretty much any description of "clarity"—unless it was literally scribbled down while the person was mid-unknown—is fundamentally flawed and unreliable because it’s being recounted from a state of blurred vision.
And hey, let's throw another layer onto this fundamental mess.
It’s worth asking: just how much clearer does an unaware person actually see during one of these brief bursts? I mean, what kind of metric can you even use to verify the depth or the scale of that clarity when it hits them?
Unless an unaware person reaches the exact same level of perception and insight as someone who is fully awake during that burst, you can't really trust that what they saw was actually accurate.
But man, that just opens up a whole new rabbit hole of questions.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
A brief "Awakening" is exactly the same as constant "Awakening"
In constant "Awareness," thoughts still drift in and out, but they aren't heavy or overwhelming anymore; they aren't the main event. Awareness illuminates the thoughts and everything else that pops up, letting you "see" Everything in its true, clear light.
Peter Phillips32 said:There’s this fundamental flaw baked right into how people describe those brief moments of unknown, and honestly, there might be a massive mistake in even treating these little flashes of unknown as something inherently "good" or beneficial for the individual.
Think about it—someone living in an unaware state is basically stumbling through life with blurry vision, totally clueless about what the world actually looks like through the eyes of someone who is truly awake. There's a massive gulf between being unaware and being awake, even if both states technically persist. If an unaware person hits one of those short bursts of unknown, they suddenly see things with total clarity, but then, almost instantly, they slide right back into their usual fog where everything is hazy again.
So, if the world is a blur to them normally, then whatever clarity they caught during that flash of unknown becomes just as inaccessible once the moment passes and the vision goes fuzzy again. This means that pretty much any description of "clarity"—unless it was literally scribbled down while the person was mid-unknown—is fundamentally flawed and unreliable because it’s being recounted from a state of blurred vision.
And hey, let's throw another layer onto this fundamental mess.
It’s worth asking: just how much clearer does an unaware person actually see during one of these brief bursts? I mean, what kind of metric can you even use to verify the depth or the scale of that clarity when it hits them?
Unless an unaware person reaches the exact same level of perception and insight as someone who is fully awake during that burst, you can't really trust that what they saw was actually accurate.
But man, that just opens up a whole new rabbit hole of questions.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
Once you get that clear "Vision," all the questions just kind of melt away on their own... nothing left to wonder about...🤷
