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Can someone help me make sense of this?

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Participants Keith Ortiz4Brian Hayes43Michelle EvansKevin Nguyen3gentlesailor25steeleagle23Jessica Chavez4Michelle Ward3Brenda Hayes2George Morgan67nimblewalker58Andrew DoyleRichard Palmer8Matthew Booth2Joshua Adams41Eric Gray2Keith Jackson44George Ramos11Gerald Hill2mellownomad30Aaron Ross7Aaron Garcia5jadewolf16
Keith Jackson44 Keith Jackson44 Newcomer
2 messages
joined May 2013
#21 ·
Keith Ortiz4 said:So, I’m out for a walk today with my three-month-old (who basically lives in my arms), and we decide to stop at an outdoor patio for a quick break. I order two sparkling waters, and within minutes, the baby just starts crying. It’s not just a whimper—it’s a full-on meltdown. I tried holding him, but nothing worked; he just wanted to be carried. He was clearly overstimulated and fussy. Honestly, I felt so embarrassed. In a moment of total desperation, I just set him down to lie there and cry for about ten minutes while I had a cigarette and finished my water. Eventually, the crying turned into this intense, piercing screaming.

Just a few yards away, there was this group of about six people in their 30s, and they were staring at me the whole time.

When I finally decided to head out, I apologized for the noise. They didn't even say anything back; one of them just gave a little wave, like a "whatever" gesture.

I really want to know what you guys think. Was I being judged?

Was it because I was being "rude" by staying and making everyone listen to the screaming instead of just leaving immediately? Or were they judging me for letting the baby cry while I sat there calmly smoking and drinking?

How would you have reacted if you saw this happening? What would your take be, and honestly, how should I have handled it?

The author is attempting to joke with us, though if this is indeed a joke, it is incredibly tasteless. You cannot silence my opinion here, and frankly, it seems you already possess the answers to your own questions; you are likely posting only because you assume some "sensitive soul" will appear to repair your questionable character. Let us be clear: I am not judging you, I am merely attempting to understand you, and I must admit I am having a difficult time doing so. Generally speaking, I believe we all suffer from a lack of critical thinking when analyzing human interaction. The only thing I can tell you is that this entire narrative isn't about the child or the innocent bystanders—it is about you, and you alone, though I suspect you are already aware of that.
Joshua Adams41 Joshua Adams41 Member
48 messages
joined Nov 2010
#22 ·
Eric Gray2 said:So you gave them life, and now you're taking it away, is that how it works?

Look, I wouldn't go that far, but then again, I probably wouldn't be lecturing a mother on how to raise her kid either—unless the kid is actively becoming a menace to society right this second.
George Ramos11 George Ramos11 Newcomer
1 message
joined Jun 2013
#23 ·
They called you out on this:
personal_desires(cigarettes & drinks) > diet
I mean, seriously, what kind of lowlife are you, shamelessly sipping on some sparkling water while your kid is screaming his head off? Honestly, screw $3.25 and your damn cigarettes. (But if I'm being real, I don't think your story is even close to how you're painting it. You've totally blown it out of proportion—it probably wasn't ten minutes, more like two. I mean, someone arrogant enough to actually zone out for ten minutes while their kid is losing it wouldn't be popping up on a forum to talk psychology; they'd just be trying to act like they're too cool to care. Just my honest take)
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
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joined May 2013
#24 ·
Keith Jackson44 said:The author is attempting to joke with us, though if this is indeed a joke, it is incredibly tasteless. You cannot silence my opinion here, and frankly, it seems you already possess the answers to your own questions; you are likely posting only because you assume some "sensitive soul" will appear to repair your questionable character. Let us be clear: I am not judging you, I am merely attempting to understand you, and I must admit I am having a difficult time doing so. Generally speaking, I believe we all suffer from a lack of critical thinking when analyzing human interaction. The only thing I can tell you is that this entire narrative isn't about the child or the innocent bystanders—it is about you, and you alone, though I suspect you are already aware of that.

Hmm, well written. All of those points crossed my mind, but I didn't want to jump to any conclusions based on the limited information we have unless I was absolutely certain.
And I am still not certain.
Anyway, a solid reaction to the topic.😉
At one point, the sound of a child crying fades into the background, and what emerges instead is a concern over how others perceive her.
One might assume that such concern would likely exist even if there were no child present—perhaps pointing toward some other, more bizarre underlying issue.
In any case, the author will eventually weigh in on this; wouldn't it be fascinating to read her perspective on everything?🙂
Gerald Hill2 Gerald Hill2 Member
15 messages
joined May 2008
#25 ·
Keith Ortiz4 said:So, I’m out for a walk today with my three-month-old (who basically lives in my arms), and we decide to stop at an outdoor patio for a quick break. I order two sparkling waters, and within minutes, the baby just starts crying. It’s not just a whimper—it’s a full-on meltdown. I tried holding him, but nothing worked; he just wanted to be carried. He was clearly overstimulated and fussy. Honestly, I felt so embarrassed. In a moment of total desperation, I just set him down to lie there and cry for about ten minutes while I had a cigarette and finished my water. Eventually, the crying turned into this intense, piercing screaming.

Just a few yards away, there was this group of about six people in their 30s, and they were staring at me the whole time.

When I finally decided to head out, I apologized for the noise. They didn't even say anything back; one of them just gave a little wave, like a "whatever" gesture.

I really want to know what you guys think. Was I being judged?

Was it because I was being "rude" by staying and making everyone listen to the screaming instead of just leaving immediately? Or were they judging me for letting the baby cry while I sat there calmly smoking and drinking?

How would you have reacted if you saw this happening? What would your take be, and honestly, how should I have handled it?

What would strike me as weird (like, maybe for folks like 😁 who smoke) is seeing a parent just sitting there smoking a cigarette while their kid cries and cries and cries, until it turns into a total meltdown. 🤷
And the parent isn't even reacting.
It's just... like nothing is happening, they're just smoking and drinking.
Jessica Chavez4 Jessica Chavez4 Active Member
67 messages
joined Jul 2012
#26 ·
Look, I get how you can reach a breaking point when everything just piles up at once, but that kind of behavior is still ugly to watch—and honestly, I wouldn't put up with it. For one, I find it incredibly cringey when parents brag about their kids like they’re some sort of trophy. And second? I really have zero interest in sitting in a coffee shop trying to enjoy a quiet latte only to be subjected to someone's kid screaming their head off right next to me.
George Morgan67 George Morgan67 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Jun 2013
#27 ·
Matthew Booth2 said:You pretty much answered your own question about why they thought it was weird.
My advice? Grab a sparkling water at some local corner cafe. The regulars who actually know you usually have a bit more empathy—they might even offer to help with the baby.
As for me, if I saw that happening, I’d feel for the woman. But if I actually stepped in and offered to hold the baby so she could get a break, I’d probably end up being labeled the crazy one.

No, a woman wouldn't be called a freak for that. But if a guy tried to help out like that—if he actually liked the kid or wanted to help the mom (not in a weird way, obviously)—he’d be branded a predator instantly. Because apparently, we've all turned into alligators toward one another, as > puts it.

Jessica Chavez4 said:Look, I get how you can reach a breaking point when everything just piles up at once, but that kind of behavior is still ugly to watch—and honestly, I wouldn't put up with it. For one, I find it incredibly cringey when parents brag about their kids like they’re some sort of trophy. And second? I really have zero interest in sitting in a coffee shop trying to enjoy a quiet latte only to be subjected to someone's kid screaming their head off right next to me.

Who needs kids anyway? Just more people peeing, pooping, and screaming...
mellownomad30 mellownomad30 Member
20 messages
joined Oct 2013
#28 ·
I honestly can't stand the sound of a baby crying. I think I heard way too much of it growing up

Back when my little one was tiny, I’d just throw him over my shoulder and rock him around for three or four hours straight whenever he had those colic fits

But hey, I get why my wife hit her breaking point. She just couldn't deal with the mental toll anymore, and let's be real—moms always seem to take the crying harder than guys do

The thing is, I’d rather be asking you guys for input instead of her

I walked up to her and asked if I could just take the kid and settle him down myself. Seriously, what's the point of playing nice and acting polite if you're just watching a baby suffer?

And then they have the nerve to tell me I'm heartless... 🙂
Aaron Ross7 Aaron Ross7 Member
10 messages
joined Nov 2010
#29 ·
If I were there, I’d probably get up and clear out just because the kid won't stop crying—I know firsthand how much that grates on everyone else's nerves.
And honestly, if I were sitting at the table waiting for my order, I'd either be giving you the side-eye or just straight-up ignoring you... unless, of course, you're a total knockout, then maybe you'd get a pass🙂...though even then, it really comes down to what kind of mood I'm in. If the vibe was right, I might even let it slide.
People head to a coffee shop to unwind, catch up with friends, or maybe just escape their hectic lives for a bit—only to be met with all that noise.
Look, you can call it "forgiving" if you want, but to me, it just feels selfish. If I owned the place, I'd tell you don't worry about the bill, but please—get it together if the kid is going to keep screaming.
Aaron Garcia5 Aaron Garcia5 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Oct 2013
#30 ·
Keith Ortiz4 said:So, I’m out for a walk today with my three-month-old (who basically lives in my arms), and we decide to stop at an outdoor patio for a quick break. I order two sparkling waters, and within minutes, the baby just starts crying. It’s not just a whimper—it’s a full-on meltdown. I tried holding him, but nothing worked; he just wanted to be carried. He was clearly overstimulated and fussy. Honestly, I felt so embarrassed. In a moment of total desperation, I just set him down to lie there and cry for about ten minutes while I had a cigarette and finished my water. Eventually, the crying turned into this intense, piercing screaming.

Just a few yards away, there was this group of about six people in their 30s, and they were staring at me the whole time.

When I finally decided to head out, I apologized for the noise. They didn't even say anything back; one of them just gave a little wave, like a "whatever" gesture.

I really want to know what you guys think. Was I being judged?

Was it because I was being "rude" by staying and making everyone listen to the screaming instead of just leaving immediately? Or were they judging me for letting the baby cry while I sat there calmly smoking and drinking?

How would you have reacted if you saw this happening? What would your take be, and honestly, how should I have handled it?

I don't have kids myself, but I’ve spent plenty of time around them over the last decade—enough to know... Honestly, I’d judge you. You should have tried harder to distract him or calm him down—longer than you actually did. Look, I'm a smoker and I've got my own issues, but that's beside the point—I don't believe in spoiling kids, but even so, I'd still judge you... 🤷
jadewolf16 jadewolf16 Active Member
80 messages
joined Oct 2014
#31 ·
Should you even be smoking right now? 😛

And honestly, you really should've grabbed some sparkling water 😛

Look, kids crying before they hit their first birthday is totally normal—it shouldn't drive anyone crazy! You just really ought to have taken some basic precautions

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