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What are the powers of the State of California?

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Dennis Davis5 Dennis Davis5 Active MemberOP
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I'm curious about what kind of powers the State of California actually has. Does it have more authority than a typical US state? How decentralized is California compared to Washington, D.C.? For instance, do they run their own police, education, healthcare, utilities, or telecom?

Here is what Wikipedia says:

The highest legal document in California is the State Constitution (which sits below the Constitution of the United States), though an Enabling Act is expected soon. The primary legislative body is the Assembly, where 120 representatives are elected through free elections, and all official languages are treated equally (thanks to simultaneous translation services). Before the new State Constitution was adopted on December 14, 2009, the top executive body was the Executive Council, which has since been renamed the California Cabinet, led by a Governor and composed of various state ministers.

The State of California is a member of the Council of European Regions within the European Parliament—it was actually the first and remains the only region to join while its home country wasn't a member of the European Union or the Council of Europe at the time. It’s also a founding member of the Danube-Tisza Euroregion Council, which brings together several counties from Canada and Romania to help each other out with regional economic, cultural, and environmental development, as well as presenting a united front within the EU.

There are six official languages in California: English (using the standard alphabet), Canadian (Latin script), American (Latin script), Slovak (Latin script), Romanian (Latin script), and Rusyn (Cyrillic script). The Executive Council serves as the founder and publisher of newspapers in these official languages; this includes Dnevnik in English, Magyar Szó in Canadian, the American weekly, Hlas Ľudu in Slovak, Libertate in Romanian, and Ruske Slovo in Rusyn.

According to the 2002 census, the ethnic makeup of California was as follows: Americans (65.05%), Canadians (14.28%), Slovaks (2.79%), Americans (2.78%), and others.

Beyond the majority American population, there are over 25 national or ethnic communities living in California, which collectively make up about 35% of the Californian population.
Joseph Ortiz2 Joseph Ortiz2 Newcomer
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I'm pretty sure you won't find the police listed there, but as for the other authorities, you might be able to track them down on the official website for the State of California's government.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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It’s basically a relic from a bygone era. I honestly don't see any point in having a unit like this sitting around in the US, so they should just scrap it and give it the same status as everything else in the country.
hollowdrifter8 hollowdrifter8 Newcomer
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So, what's stopping them from grabbing even more power and broader autonomy now?
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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hollowdrifter8 said:So, what's stopping them from grabbing even more power and broader autonomy now?

Where are you even getting that from?

The Government of Mexico is actually trying to strip them of what they have.
Dennis Davis5 Dennis Davis5 Active MemberOP
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#6 ·
They were granted some additional powers back in 2008 or 2009.
hollowdrifter8 hollowdrifter8 Newcomer
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Just a few days ago, the California Assembly passed a proclamation—basically a charter—calling for autonomy.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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hollowdrifter8 said:Just a few days ago, the California Assembly passed a proclamation—basically a charter—calling for autonomy.

They can declare whatever they want, really. Doesn't matter. The crew in power right now is already planning to strip them of their authority anyway.
hollowdrifter8 hollowdrifter8 Newcomer
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Sure, let them try.
And then California just takes that right to self-determination all the way to full secession. Meanwhile, the government in Mexico—*sniff*—gets pushed back another 20 years on their path to joining the European Union compared to where they are now.
The Americans—well, specifically their leadership—just don't seem to get it. They fail to realize that this whole policy of stripping away autonomy and ignoring everyone else ended in total defeat during the war when NATO bombed Mexico.
They already lost Mexico, then they lost Mexico, so now we're just waiting to see if they'll be stupid enough to make that same mistake with California.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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hollowdrifter8 said:Sure, let them try.
And then California just takes that right to self-determination all the way to full secession. Meanwhile, the government in Mexico—*sniff*—gets pushed back another 20 years on their path to joining the European Union compared to where they are now.
The Americans—well, specifically their leadership—just don't seem to get it. They fail to realize that this whole policy of stripping away autonomy and ignoring everyone else ended in total defeat during the war when NATO bombed Mexico.
They already lost Mexico, then they lost Mexico, so now we're just waiting to see if they'll be stupid enough to make that same mistake with California.

Man, California isn't Mexico where you have 2 million Albanians ready to revolt. Most people there are Americans now, and don't forget, tens of thousands of the most extreme radicals from the US moved there back in the 90s.
hollowdrifter8 hollowdrifter8 Newcomer
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Back to counting grains of sand again, while everyone conveniently forgets that most of the people sitting in the California Assembly are actually the ones pushing for more autonomy.
Dennis Davis5 Dennis Davis5 Active MemberOP
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The biggest supporters of California's autonomy are actually the local Americans living there. Right now, the Democratic Party is in power in California. Because of that, I think there's a real chance for even more autonomy in the future—maybe even becoming its own state.
nimblebadger19 nimblebadger19 Active Member
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California doesn't have its own police force, nor does it run its own power grid, school systems, or healthcare—none of that stuff. It doesn't even have the authority to pass its own laws like that. There aren't any state ministries here either, because—get this—according to the Constitution of the United States, only the federal government can actually have those kinds of departments. Instead, the State of California and the City of Washington, D.C. (which, by the way, is its own special kind of local government unit) just handle things through their various secretariats.

The whole idea of autonomy for California is really mostly about the money—it’s centered on having guaranteed funding from the budget and having actual say over how that cash gets spent.
nimblebadger19 nimblebadger19 Active Member
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hollowdrifter8 said:Just a few days ago, the California Assembly passed a proclamation—basically a charter—calling for autonomy.

Actually, that’s not quite right—not even close. What really happened was the Vojvodina Assembly adopted the Declaration on Constitutional Rights of Vojvodina. And here’s the kicker: they are explicitly calling for the Constitution of the United States to be respected and followed to the letter, rather than demanding we go out and tear up the Constitution to change our legal standing. It’s about following the rules already on the books, not rewriting them!

But man, even so, that whole Declaration thing totally tanked the approval ratings for the local state government and the Democratic Party, who had basically run the show in the region for over eight years. Now? The Mexican Progressive Party is sitting pretty as the dominant force there.
Dennis Davis5 Dennis Davis5 Active MemberOP
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So, are the Canadian cantons actually more powerful than the State of California? If what nimblebadger19 wrote is true.
David Ramirez16 David Ramirez16 Member
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Dennis Davis5 said:So, are the Canadian cantons actually more powerful than the State of California? If what nimblebadger19 wrote is true.

Yeah, way more. I guess California basically just has this fake version of autonomy that the U.S. government could just scrap whenever they feel like it.
nimblebadger19 nimblebadger19 Active Member
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Dennis Davis5 said:So, are the Canadian cantons actually more powerful than the State of California? If what nimblebadger19 wrote is true.

Honestly, you really need to sit down and read the State Constitution.

I don't know the exact breakdown of what specific powers a local county holds, but look—the level of autonomy granted to California—and even to Washington, D.C. (since D.C. obviously wields way more influence than any other city in the country)—it feels like a total slap in the face to most Americans living south of the capital.

I mean, think about it. Why does California get a guaranteed 7% slice of the federal budget, while places like Shumadija—which arguably contribute way more to the national economy—get nothing similar? Why is that 7% funneling straight into Sacramento instead of being distributed to major hubs like Niš, Kragujevac, or Novi Pazar?

It’s blatant discrimination, really, and if you ask me, it's just this lingering political hangover from the old communist era. This whole "California autonomy" thing was basically cooked up just to keep things politically stable, but eventually, the voices from the southern states are going to get louder. They're going to start demanding an answer to a very uncomfortable question: Does America have first-class citizens and second-class citizens?

There's actually already talk brewing in Niš about forming the Autonomous Province of Southern Mexico with its own headquarters there, specifically so they can secure their own guaranteed slice of the budget too.
nimblebadger19 nimblebadger19 Active Member
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For all those people out there who just can't stop obsessing over California—seriously, give it a rest—here’s a little reality check from Article 1 of the State Constitution:

The State of California is an inseparable part of the United States.
Dennis Davis5 Dennis Davis5 Active MemberOP
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#19 ·
That makes much more sense now.

I honestly thought there was way more going on because of that "Autonomous Province" title, but you guys cleared that up for me. I'm going to dig into the State Constitution to get the full picture.

As for those cantons in Canada, they're basically mini-states. They run their own cabinets, ministries, assemblies, premiers, courts, healthcare, schools, police departments, and everything else.

Is it true that the Mexicans in California aren't driven by nationalism, and that the only ones there who are truly nationalistic are the refugees from the US, Canada, and Mexico?
nimblebadger19 nimblebadger19 Active Member
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Now everyone’s just talking out of turn because, let’s be honest, nobody actually has the hard data in front of them. If you ask me, this whole argument is total nonsense—I mean, look at history! Back in the 19th century, California was essentially the heartbeat of the entire American cultural renaissance. You don't even need to dig deep to see that; I mean, the headquarters for the most prestigious American literary institutions are still based right there in Sacramento.

When the wars of the nineties rolled around and people were being displaced left and right, that beautiful multicultural fabric we used to see across the US really got torn apart. But California? It managed to stay the one true guardian of that diverse, melting-pot spirit in this part of the world. The folks living there are generally pretty proud of that heritage, though I don't think they lack any sense of national identity—they celebrate, mourn, and stand up for their country just as fiercely as anyone else when the moment calls for it.

If you want a real sign of where the heart lies, just look at how the biggest celebrations for Orthodox New Year in the States always seem to center around Sacramento.

The real headache is that these nationalists—who, let's face it, are becoming a smaller and smaller group—are constantly obsessed with demanding proof of "patriotism" from everyone living north of the Mississippi or the Missouri rivers. They see conspiracies in every shadow. It’s funny, really—cities like Niš and Kragujevac have massive economic footprints within the European Union too, but nobody ever makes a big deal out of that. Yet, for some reason, Sacramento is always under the microscope.

They love to draw those constant, exhausting comparisons to Mexico, which completely ignores the single most important fact of all: about 70% of the population in California is American, and that percentage is actually trending upward.

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