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Benjamin Palmer80 Benjamin Palmer80 Member
19 messages
joined Jun 2013
#441 ·
darkraven11 said:I am honestly feeling so confused about which exchange rate to use when I'm acquiring assets from the European Union.

I have recorded all the goods that arrived as asset acquisitions using the rate specified by INTRASTAT—which basically means taking the average rate from the first valid exchange rate list for that specific month (you know, the one found on the Federal Reserve website for converting currencies to dollars)
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Since there can be a gap of up to 20 days between receiving the supplier's invoice and the actual physical arrival of the goods (because our local trucking companies don't exactly race down the highway 🙂), which exchange rate should I actually be using when filling out my sales tax returns?
I just went ahead and used the exact same rate I used for my initial calculations—am I totally messing this up?
If I am, will I need to go back and fix all my previous calculations too?

And honestly, the folks over at the IRS haven't been any help at all with this!🙂

In my humble opinion, INTRASTAT is just a separate statistical report for different purposes than our tax filings, even if they show the same aggregate data. My contact at the IRS told me that whenever we convert foreign currency, we have to follow the standard law and use the Federal Reserve mid-market rate on the date the tax liability is created—which is the date on the shipping notice or invoice.
Raymond Martinez10 Raymond Martinez10 Active Member
236 messages
joined Oct 2009
#442 ·
I suspect we’re going to see some new statistical exchange rate introduced soon—strictly to satisfy VAT requirements. Honestly, I don't see any other way they'll manage to sync up all the different states to verify if a taxpayer actually reported their goods deliveries or acquisitions correctly.
Steven Anderson14 Steven Anderson14 Active Member
54 messages
joined Jul 2014
#443 ·
I'm trying to file my VAT return and I'm getting an error saying a supplier from Italy doesn't have a valid VAT ID. But when I go to check them in the VIES database, everything looks totally fine.
Can I just ignore the warning and send the return anyway? Or am I stuck? What's the move here? Help me out!!
Henry Edwards33 Henry Edwards33 RegularOP
678 messages
joined Aug 2015
#444 ·
Raymond Martinez10 said:I suspect we’re going to see some new statistical exchange rate introduced soon—strictly to satisfy VAT requirements. Honestly, I don't see any other way they'll manage to sync up all the different states to verify if a taxpayer actually reported their goods deliveries or acquisitions correctly.

Are you sure you aren't seeing the country code pop up in two different spots on the form?
In that other little box over there, you don't even use letters—it's just digits...
Carol Price4 Carol Price4 Regular
380 messages
joined Nov 2019
#445 ·
Henry Edwards33, I think you grabbed the wrong quote there— 🙂 honestly, it might be time to just head to the casino, you missed your window, haha
Henry Edwards33 Henry Edwards33 RegularOP
678 messages
joined Aug 2015
#446 ·
Carol Price4 said:Henry Edwards33, I think you grabbed the wrong quote there— 🙂 honestly, it might be time to just head to the casino, you missed your window, haha

🤦
We’re beyond the point of even using a facepalm emoji here. 🙂

Yeah, definitely a bad quote. 😁

I suppose Raymond Martinez10 will figure it out eventually. 😂

Don't talk to me about the GO. 🙄
I've handled most of the GO myself, except for a few days when I was traveling. Give me a break with that GO nonsense. 🙂
rapidmason93 rapidmason93 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Aug 2013
#447 ·
I need some help here, I’m seriously losing my mind over this sales tax form!

So, I'm trying to figure out where the base amount and the tax on domestic services and domestic goods acquisitions actually go on the new form. Basically, I mean services provided by a local business here in California and goods bought from a local vendor in California.

From what I can see, the form only shows acquisitions of goods within the USA at the 5, 10, and 20% rates, plus services from the USA at 5, 10, and 25%.

If anyone can walk me through this, I would be sooo grateful. I haven't been able to find a straight answer anywhere!

Thanks in advance, hope to hear from you guys!!
quiettiger42 quiettiger42 Newcomer
1 message
joined Aug 2013
#448 ·
Look, this new sales tax form isn't actually the nightmare everyone's making it out to be, provided you stay on top of your paperwork (the URA and IRA stuff) before the deadline hits. Just a heads-up: if you're logging services you've paid for or goods bought domestically, those go right under section III.1. Also, don't sweat the "acquisition date" part—you only need to worry about that when you're dealing with imports from the USA.
Ethan Mitchell4 Ethan Mitchell4 Active Member
89 messages
joined Feb 2015
#449 ·
Steven Anderson14 said:I'm trying to file my VAT return and I'm getting an error saying a supplier from Italy doesn't have a valid VAT ID. But when I go to check them in the VIES database, everything looks totally fine.
Can I just ignore the warning and send the return anyway? Or am I stuck? What's the move here? Help me out!!

Mine wouldn't process today because my software was being weird and kept dropping the leading zero from the Tax ID. So, the company has an ID starting with 045xxx, but the program was just reading it as 45xxx. I ended up typing it in manually and it went through just fine.

Lili, I have one vendor where the ID starts with a letter followed by numbers, and it processed without any issues. I spent way too much time stressing over it before realizing they actually use an alphanumeric ID—I honestly thought it had to be digits only. To be clear, I'm talking about the actual Tax ID, not the state code.
Henry Edwards33 Henry Edwards33 RegularOP
678 messages
joined Aug 2015
#450 ·
Ethan Mitchell4 said:Mine wouldn't process today because my software was being weird and kept dropping the leading zero from the Tax ID. So, the company has an ID starting with 045xxx, but the program was just reading it as 45xxx. I ended up typing it in manually and it went through just fine.

Lili, I have one vendor where the ID starts with a letter followed by numbers, and it processed without any issues. I spent way too much time stressing over it before realizing they actually use an alphanumeric ID—I honestly thought it had to be digits only. To be clear, I'm talking about the actual Tax ID, not the state code.

Thanks, that's super helpful. 👍
I haven't run into one starting with a letter yet, but at least now I won't lose my mind if one pops up 😁
rapidmason93 rapidmason93 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Aug 2013
#451 ·
quiettiger42 said:Look, this new sales tax form isn't actually the nightmare everyone's making it out to be, provided you stay on top of your paperwork (the URA and IRA stuff) before the deadline hits. Just a heads-up: if you're logging services you've paid for or goods bought domestically, those go right under section III.1. Also, don't sweat the "acquisition date" part—you only need to worry about that when you're dealing with imports from the USA.

So let me get this straight. Every single purchase—goods, services, whatever—from local US businesses all goes under III.1 now?! 🤷

Everything that used to be split up between III.1, III.2, and III.3 in the old version is just lumped together into one giant pile under III.1 in this new format? Seriously? 😕
Jack Young Jack Young Active Member
111 messages
joined Mar 2015
#452 ·
rapidmason93 said:So let me get this straight. Every single purchase—goods, services, whatever—from local US businesses all goes under III.1 now?! 🤷

Everything that used to be split up between III.1, III.2, and III.3 in the old version is just lumped together into one giant pile under III.1 in this new format? Seriously? 😕

Yeah,
Ashley Ramirez4 Ashley Ramirez4 Active Member
178 messages
joined Dec 2012
#453 ·
rapidmason93 said:So let me get this straight. Every single purchase—goods, services, whatever—from local US businesses all goes under III.1 now?! 🤷

Everything that used to be split up between III.1, III.2, and III.3 in the old version is just lumped together into one giant pile under III.1 in this new format? Seriously? 😕

They basically added like 12 new rows for 'phantom taxes' but scrapped several actual ones just to toss them all into the same bucket 😍

plus they tacked on two extra forms that pretty much cover most of this 'phantom tax' stuff

man, they really outdid themselves with this 'brilliant' design, I guess
Nicole Lee6 Nicole Lee6 Regular
252 messages
joined Jun 2007
#454 ·
So, I finally got through to the tax advisors on the phone. I explained the situation: my service providers issued an invoice for brokerage services covering the period from July 1st to July 31st, but the actual invoice date is August 9th. I asked them which exchange rate I should use to convert this and when exactly I should record it on my sales tax return. They told me to use July 31st as the date, provided that individual line items don't specify exact dates for when each service was performed—since their invoice just lists our own account numbers from July upon which they are deducting their commission. Since they didn't include specific transaction dates alongside our account numbers and amounts, but instead just put "for the period July 1st–July 31st" in the header, the advisor and I agreed that using July 31st—the last day of the accounting period—is the way to go.

And now, here comes the absolute nonsense. These people told me they would issue the invoice that way, but today they’re claiming they can't get it to me until September 8th because their software runs on autopilot and only spits out invoices on that specific day of the month. I asked them, "Well, why didn't you just run the July invoice on August 8th?" And they basically said, "Because we didn't," for reasons known only to themselves! If I follow the letter of the law, I’m supposed to manually calculate what their invoice *should* be, report the liability (though I can't claim input tax since I don't have a physical invoice yet), pay the tax, and then fight for a refund once the actual invoice arrives. But what happens if the invoice eventually shows up with a different amount than what I reported? Am I expected to go back and file amendments for both my acquisition statements and my sales tax returns for July?

The providers said they'll issue the invoice for the July 1st–July 31st period with an August 9th date (they absolutely cannot do it sooner because their software 😲) and they plan to bundle everything into the August aggregate filing (covering commissions for both July and August).
Now, looking at it from another angle: if they write that the invoice covers the period July 1st–July 31st, I am legally obligated to report it as of July 31st. Given that today is the filing deadline, that's completely out of the question. So, it occurred to me: what if I ask them to just combine the July and August commissions into a single invoice, but label the header as being for the period August 1st–August 31st? Then I could just report everything cleanly as of August 31st.

If the invoice doesn't list specific dates per item (to reiterate: every line item is just our account number and the amount the commission is deducted from, without a service date), and instead clearly states in the header that it is for the period August 1st–August 31st, do you think that would fly with the authorities, or would it cause trouble?

The law says one thing, but reality is a whole different story... rapidmason93 You're right to say you'll just report everything based on the invoice date; I'd love to see someone show me how to do it any other way in practice. 🙂How else?!
Jose Myers Jose Myers Member
10 messages
joined Jul 2009
#455 ·
What happens with the sales tax when a freight forwarder hits you with a charge on goods that were sitting in a bonded warehouse back on June 30, 2013? The supplier is coming from the USA, so where does that even fall in the books?
rapidmason93 rapidmason93 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Aug 2013
#456 ·
Sales tax, payroll, and VAT filings are all sent! Now we just sit here and wait for the IRS to come knocking! 😂
rapidmason93 rapidmason93 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Aug 2013
#457 ·
Jose Myers said:What happens with the sales tax when a freight forwarder hits you with a charge on goods that were sitting in a bonded warehouse back on June 30, 2013? The supplier is coming from the USA, so where does that even fall in the books?

If you're talking about this:

If not, I have no clue. 😁 Sorry! 🙂
Jose Myers Jose Myers Member
10 messages
joined Jul 2009
#458 ·
rapidmason93 said:If you're talking about this:

If not, I have no clue. 😁 Sorry! 🙂

Thanks, but we aren't talking about services here—it's goods and the sales tax paid on July 14, 2013.
rapidmason93 rapidmason93 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Aug 2013
#459 ·
Jose Myers said:Thanks, but we aren't talking about services here—it's goods and the sales tax paid on July 14, 2013.

Why can't that just go under III. 6. pretporez at import?😕
Ashley Ramirez4 Ashley Ramirez4 Active Member
178 messages
joined Dec 2012
#460 ·
just go there and don't bother with sales tax

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