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Participants nimblenomad8Matthew White4Michelle EvansBrian Hayes43Donna Carter13crimsonpuma23Elizabeth Barrett7Nicholas Gonzalez8Andrew Doyle
Donna Carter13 Donna Carter13 Newcomer
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#21 ·
In my view, this pregnancy feels more like the result of a casual encounter rather than a deep romantic connection. Now that you’ve laid everything out, I don't really sense any bitterness from you, which makes sense. It would be hard for me to wrap my head around someone seeing true love in a six-month relationship, especially since you've already been through marriage and had children before.
I suppose, if we're talking about something on the level of a marriage, a second marriage is the only thing that fits that description; a brief relationship just doesn't quite reach that status.
Maybe you just should have been more careful.
Perhaps I'm being a bit cynical, but I find it somewhat surreal that after a marriage—which I assume lasted at least a few years—you'd let a guy you've known for only six months become significant enough to allow such a massive oversight to happen.🤷
You really have to be mindful of who you're sleeping with.
Personally, I wouldn't sleep with someone unless I was almost 100% certain they would actually marry me if I got pregnant, or unless I was absolutely sure I could see myself building a life and a marriage with them.
nimblenomad8 nimblenomad8 MemberOP
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joined Apr 2013
#22 ·
Yeah, you’re probably right—I definitely messed up. I totally get it, and I know I made things sound way simpler than they actually were. The worst part is we were being super careful and using protection, too. And look, it wasn't just me who disappeared; he was actually asking me to fix this because we're stuck in such a messy spot. He was even with me yesterday, so honestly, I have zero issues with him personally. I guess I'm just kicking myself because once I found myself in this situation, I folded before I could really process everything. It all happened so fast! They rushed me through because that whole medication protocol only lasts nine weeks, and I was already hitting my ninth week. I'm fully aware of what I did and how I handled it. I know there are much bigger problems out there in the world, but this experience has been absolutely brutal and painful for me. Honestly, I don't see any connection between whether a baby is conceived in a marriage or just a fling. As a mom, I’d never dream of just jumping into "one-night stands" for the thrill of it. When I got involved with this guy, I never imagined we’d break up after six months, let alone that I'd end up pregnant—especially since, based on my past, it's never been an issue. But when it comes down to it, where the baby came from doesn't matter; the child is yours, period, unless you're dealing with some extreme legal nightmare I don't know about. Anyway, it's done now. Hopefully, things will get easier with time.
Elizabeth Barrett7 Elizabeth Barrett7 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2013
#23 ·
When I was 20, I was seeing this married guy. I ended up pregnant, and even though I really wanted a kid eventually, I decided to have an abortion. It wasn't easy. My parents were there for me, but he definitely wasn't. Over time, I just pushed it down—honestly, I almost forgot about it entirely. I went on to have two kids that I truly wanted. Now, when my OB-GYN asks about my pregnancy history, I blank on that first one and just say two. I didn't even realize at the time that since I'm Rh negative, I should have had that injection to prevent issues with future pregnancies, but luckily everything turned out fine. Just saying: it’s tough, but it’s even tougher to raise a child you aren't ready for and wouldn't be able to love properly. I fully support your decision. It’s your body, and it's your call.
Brian Hayes43 Brian Hayes43 Member
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joined Mar 2013
#24 ·
nimblenomad8 said:For sure, but I can tell you one thing—I would never turn away a child like that. I got married super young, just 20. Honestly, I don't even know why! My parents were all for it, basically saying, "Hey, if college isn't working out, just get married." So, being a bit impulsive, I dropped everything and said, "Fine, let's do this, I want my own family." I moved halfway across the country and dove headfirst into being a housewife—cooking, cleaning, laundry, the whole nine yards. Then, after two years of marriage, I found out he was cheating. In some old-fashioned circles, people act like it’s just "how men are"—that they need to stray a bit before coming home—but mine really took to it and wouldn't stop. That went on for four more years until my little girl got sick and ended up in the ICU. I spent a month straight by her side in the hospital while my mom stepped in to help with my older kid so my husband could keep working. Once we finally got home and things settled, I did a little digging online to see what he'd been up to while I was preoccupied, and yep, he was still seeing the same person. Eventually, I just snapped. I knew exactly how everyone would react, so I didn't say a word to my family at first. I knew they'd make a huge scene and try to explain my divorce to the entire neighborhood like it was the end of the world. But I was exhausted, and I had to protect my mental health just to be a good mom. (Side note: he actually abused me for six years, too.) Anyway, the divorce was a nightmare, and his exit was just as messy, though I kept the kids. I stayed single, raised them through school, and life moved on. Two years later, I met an old friend—a single guy I'd known forever through his mom. We started dating casually, no big expectations or heavy promises. But after six months, he tells me he's just not ready to be with a woman who has kids and that he's not looking to marry overnight. I was like, "Okay, fine." But when you want something and someone says no, there's nothing you can do. Then, out of nowhere, he starts begging his godmother to convince me to give up my child. His mom lost it, her blood pressure spiked, and suddenly everyone is throwing stones at me. And so, here I am.

Oh man, this brings back memories of how my own mother desperately tried to find someone after her divorce just so we could escape our miserable situation. Most of the guys she picked were total oddballs; we're talking characters like Bald Ribić, some skid-row alcoholic, or even a married man... personally, I’m just relieved she didn't end up pregnant by any of them. Eventually, after quite a while, she found a decent, local guy who was actually normal, and now I have a sister. She's developed the exact same "mom syndrome" that I have, though yesterday, after a little spat, I was the one having to take HER to the dentist because she starts making such a scene whenever she goes with Mom..🙂
nimblenomad8 nimblenomad8 MemberOP
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#25 ·
Man, this is rough. It nearly broke me this time around. Honestly, I don't know when I'll ever feel ready to get close to someone again, though that’s probably the least of my worries right now. My biggest issue is just the guilt eating at me. I’m a believer, and I try my absolute best to live by my values. Yesterday, things got so dark I actually thought about jumping off a building because I felt so sick to my stomach, but thank God I didn't. Today is okay. I’m still dwelling on it—I told myself I wouldn't, but no matter what I do, it just keeps looping back. That feeling, that sense that I let myself be talked into it... it won't go away. I'm going to go for a walk; the sunshine gives me hope, and they say it helps recharge your batteries too. 🙂
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
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joined Jan 2013
#26 ·
Documenting what should have happened doesn't do much good once the damage is done. It might be better to skip that part and just focus on providing some comfort...

Thanks!
Donna Carter13 Donna Carter13 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2013
#27 ·
nimblenomad8 said:Yeah, you’re probably right—I definitely messed up. I totally get it, and I know I made things sound way simpler than they actually were. The worst part is we were being super careful and using protection, too. And look, it wasn't just me who disappeared; he was actually asking me to fix this because we're stuck in such a messy spot. He was even with me yesterday, so honestly, I have zero issues with him personally. I guess I'm just kicking myself because once I found myself in this situation, I folded before I could really process everything. It all happened so fast! They rushed me through because that whole medication protocol only lasts nine weeks, and I was already hitting my ninth week. I'm fully aware of what I did and how I handled it. I know there are much bigger problems out there in the world, but this experience has been absolutely brutal and painful for me. Honestly, I don't see any connection between whether a baby is conceived in a marriage or just a fling. As a mom, I’d never dream of just jumping into "one-night stands" for the thrill of it. When I got involved with this guy, I never imagined we’d break up after six months, let alone that I'd end up pregnant—especially since, based on my past, it's never been an issue. But when it comes down to it, where the baby came from doesn't matter; the child is yours, period, unless you're dealing with some extreme legal nightmare I don't know about. Anyway, it's done now. Hopefully, things will get easier with time.

Don't get me wrong, but I can't help feeling like you might be being a little irresponsible when it comes to your own future and that of your children. I don't know, maybe it just feels like your actions aren't always guided by much reason or much regard for past experience.
Look, I think being a divorced woman with kids changes the math on dating quite a bit. It isn’t really wise to jump into a relationship just because there's some immediate physical chemistry or an intense spark. You have to look at the bigger picture—the actual probability of building a lasting partnership or even the possibility of having more children down the road. Maybe you should leave those specific possibilities for someone who actually knows what they want. It doesn't seem right to tie yourself to some guy who is just drifting through life, someone who enters a serious relationship with a committed woman and a mother without having any clue where he's headed or how to handle the responsibility. I guess you just have to be careful not to settle for someone who can't hold his own.

I feel like men can be incredibly fickle. For the most part, they tend to act more like spoiled children rather than providing the kind of stability that women actually need—especially for those who have already been wives and are still balancing everything as mothers.
Just imagine a scenario where you’re already divorced and have kids—similar to how things are now—and you decide to marry someone who is constantly saying stuff like, "I don't know what I want," or "I'm not even sure about my own feelings." Then, you end up getting pregnant right before the wedding, only for him to realize the very day before the ceremony that he just isn't feeling it. He casually walks away and leaves you hanging, all while you're carrying triplets.

I don't know, but if I were in your shoes, I’d honestly say that if the next person I slept with wasn't willing to go through the whole legal marriage process first, I might just lose my mind. Maybe I'm being too intense, but I feel like I'd be done with anyone who wouldn't commit to making things official before we even started.
nimblenomad8 said:Man, this is rough. It nearly broke me this time around. Honestly, I don't know when I'll ever feel ready to get close to someone again, though that’s probably the least of my worries right now. My biggest issue is just the guilt eating at me. I’m a believer, and I try my absolute best to live by my values. Yesterday, things got so dark I actually thought about jumping off a building because I felt so sick to my stomach, but thank God I didn't. Today is okay. I’m still dwelling on it—I told myself I wouldn't, but no matter what I do, it just keeps looping back. That feeling, that sense that I let myself be talked into it... it won't go away. I'm going to go for a walk; the sunshine gives me hope, and they say it helps recharge your batteries too. 🙂

You know, back when I was just eighteen and terrified that I might be pregnant, I remember praying to both angels and the devil alike, just begging for it to be a false alarm.
The argument they were making was based on the fact that I had taken two different home tests. One came back negative—and it was actually the more expensive one—while the second one, which was much cheaper, came back positive. But even then, instead of a clear line appearing where it should have been, there was just this faint, pale smudge that barely looked like a line at all. I guess it's hard to be certain when things are that ambiguous.
I’ll admit, I was terrified to take the third test. Honestly, the anxiety had gripped me so tightly that I didn't even know how I was going to handle it. It has been forty-five days of pure mental exhaustion—just constant, overwhelming dread. I can't help but wonder if this massive, mounting fear is actually what threw my body out of whack and caused my period to be late. Maybe the stress just finally caught up with me.

I even went as far as saying that since I'm not pregnant right now, I don't care if I never have children. I told them I’d be willing to abstain for a hundred years if that's what it took.
I honestly think that maybe it wasn't even a faint line at all. It’s possible I just perceived it that way because I was so incredibly terrified. When you're gripped by that kind of fear, I guess you start seeing things that aren't actually there.

Growing up, my parents always taught me that having sex before marriage was wrong. Looking back, that created my biggest moral conflict when it came to my faith and my relationship with God.
Back then, my super-ego was functioning at such an intense level that I felt completely emotionally exhausted—almost like people who physically scourge themselves for their sins.
I’ve never actually shared this with anyone, but it’s something that has stayed deeply etched in my memory.
Nicholas Gonzalez8 Nicholas Gonzalez8 Regular
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#28 ·
I’m right there with Michelle Evans on this one. Look, you did what you did—it’s done, it’s over, and you just have to own it and move the hell on. Maybe it was a mistake, maybe it wasn't, but honestly? What’s the point in obsessing over it now? If you spend all your energy mourning the past, you’re going to trip over the present, and the present is the only thing actually building your future.

Listen, those dark moods—they’re going to hit you. It’s inevitable. You can’t predict when they’ll show up, but you can sure as hell be ready for them. Whatever you do, never, and I mean *never*, make any life-altering decisions when you're feeling low. Those decisions are usually totally irrational—we're talking "jumping off a skyscraper" levels of irrational. Just sleep on it. Seriously. Always sleep on it and look at the situation again in the morning light. When the gloom sets in, just try to find something—anything—to relax or lift your spirits.

Don't let those negative thoughts take root, because that’s exactly how those bad moods start feeding themselves. And don't bother trying to fight them head-on or block them out; that’s a losing battle every single time. Instead, just pivot. Force your brain to focus on something that actually makes you happy—good memories, something you enjoy dreaming about, whatever works. Throw yourself into stuff that feels good—cranking up some music, catching a movie, grabbing coffee with a close friend, hitting the gym, or just getting lost in a hobby. Even hanging out with your dog or spending time with family can pull you back from the edge.

Before you even think about letting someone back into your life, walk through the scenarios in your head. Think about how you’d react if things went sideways. Having a bit of a game plan will make you feel way more secure and steady. Just... please, don't get caught up in chasing ghosts from your past. There is zero payoff in that.

As for the guilt—look, people do all kinds of things throughout their lives. Some good, some pretty messy. You acted based on what you knew and what you were capable of handling at that exact moment, so there’s no reason to beat yourself up about it now. We always look back and think, "Man, I should have been smarter," but that's just how life works. We learn from the mess, and that's how we get smarter.

Anyway, I'm rooting for you. Just keep your head up and keep moving forward—you're going to be just fine. 🙂 If you ever need to vent or just talk, my inbox is open.
nimblenomad8 nimblenomad8 MemberOP
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joined Apr 2013
#29 ·
I’m on board with everyone here given the circumstances. I don't usually hang out on forums, but swapping thoughts isn't a bad idea, even if we all see things so differently. Donna Carter13, I totally get why you’re skeptical about any kind of relationship; I didn't just jump into a romance based on looks alone either, but hey, that’s beside the point now. Maybe I shouldn't have shared my whole life story because it muddies the main point. The real issue is that I acted without sitting down and actually thinking it through first. You guys might be looking at this thinking, "Well, there's already a failed marriage and two kids involved, what's one more?" And honestly? I know I could have raised that child just fine with all the love and care I gave my first ones. But in a split second, my brain just froze. I let myself be swayed by the pathetic opinions of people who—and I'm only realizing this now—aren't even worth my time, let alone my attention. I don't mean they're pathetic because of their stance on abortion, but because they were being selfish, only looking at how things affected them. At the end of the day, the buck stops with me. I’m the one who made the call. So, it is what it is. I've learned the hard way that decisions like this shouldn't be made based on anyone else's advice or suggestions. You have to sit with yourself. If I were in this spot tomorrow, I wouldn't tell a soul what was happening, and I'd never do this again. My conscience just can't handle it.

Of course, I’m not going to dwell on the past or play the "what if" game—that goes against my optimistic nature! But when I say I’m a believer, yet also mention I felt like jumping off a building yesterday... well, believe me, both can be true. Just like I swore I'd never have an abortion, I thought I'd never even consider suicide. But when you're pushed to the edge, anything can cross your mind. It all comes down to the individual and their faith, but we shouldn't be shocked by anyone, and we definitely shouldn't judge. Thank God I kept my head on straight. Anyone who knows me would never guess I could be in this state; I've always been the positive, high-energy type who thinks everything can be fixed. I've handled the bad stuff before without letting it crush me, but man, we all have our breaking points, and I tripped up in the clumsiest way possible. Now, I'm moving forward, hoping the pain fades or stays far enough away that it doesn't cloud my view of the future. I've learned my lesson, paid the price, and I'm moving on. I still have the strength to fight for my ideals and help make this world a better place for our kids. I finally understand what Albert Einstein meant: "Never do anything that goes against your conscience, even if the government demands it!" 😉
nimblenomad8 nimblenomad8 MemberOP
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#30 ·
Michelle Evans said:Athena, would you perhaps like to hop on a call with a specialist to talk through how you're feeling? There are numbers available you can reach out to, free of charge and completely anonymous...

If anyone has a number I could call, I’d really appreciate it! Honestly, I have no clue where to even start looking.
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
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joined Jan 2013
#31 ·
nimblenomad8 said:If anyone has a number I could call, I’d really appreciate it! Honestly, I have no clue where to even start looking.

Crisis Management Center (Mayo Clinic):

01 2376-335 (available 24/7)

I highly recommend them...
Andrew Doyle Andrew Doyle Regular
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joined Aug 2011
#32 ·
nimblenomad8, I truly hope you can find a qualified professional to guide you through this. I know how incredibly heavy this feels, and I empathize with you completely, but staring at the situation and dwelling on "what ifs" won't help anyone. Of course things *could* have been different—that’s a reality we all face at some point in our lives. We all carry our own burdens and painful memories. But in your case, you have at least two compelling reasons why you cannot let this grief consume you.

Give yourself the grace of time. An abortion is a monumental life event; you need to process it, grieve for that child, and find closure. That is exactly why I believe reaching out to a specialist to support you through these moments is the right move.
nimblenomad8 nimblenomad8 MemberOP
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#33 ·
Thanks! :'(
nimblenomad8 nimblenomad8 MemberOP
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#34 ·
Back again! My number isn't working and my brain is about to explode.
Andrew Doyle Andrew Doyle Regular
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joined Aug 2011
#35 ·
Just go check the official info🤷

edit: okay, I actually managed to dig this up online, so give it a shot

CRISIS CENTER AND SUICIDE PREVENTION UNIT
Mayo Clinic
123 Medical Plaza
Patients can walk in personally between 8 AM and 8 PM, or they are available 24/7 via phone at 555-0199
nimblenomad8 nimblenomad8 MemberOP
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joined Apr 2013
#36 ·
Thanks so much! I’ll give it a shot later. Things are actually way more intense up here than I expected. I managed to snag an appointment with a therapist for Monday, but honestly? I'm pretty terrified of being totally real with her about what's going on in my head right now. I’m worried about the fallout. People around here are really strict about this stuff, and since they know I'm flying solo with two kids, I'm scared they might try to penalize me somehow. But then again, if I go there and just sugarcoat everything, what's even the point? :/
Andrew Doyle Andrew Doyle Regular
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#37 ·
I couldn't agree more—beating around the bush is a complete waste of energy, both for you and for your therapist. Honestly, I’d reach out to someone official. I highly doubt any actual professional would penalize you just because you had the sense to seek help for some past trauma. I’ve certainly never heard of anyone facing "sanctions" or repercussions simply for addressing their mental health.🤷
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
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joined Jan 2013
#38 ·
Andrew Doyle said:Just go check the official info🤷

edit: okay, I actually managed to dig this up online, so give it a shot

CRISIS CENTER AND SUICIDE PREVENTION UNIT
Mayo Clinic
123 Medical Plaza
Patients can walk in personally between 8 AM and 8 PM, or they are available 24/7 via phone at 555-0199

That number is outdated; it belongs to private lines now...

nimblenomad8 said:Back again! My number isn't working and my brain is about to explode.

I don't understand how it wouldn't work, since it's listed in the local directory...
It was working just a few weeks ago... 😕

Maybe try calling the Mayo Clinic main line at 555-0100 and ask to be transferred...
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
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joined Jan 2013
#39 ·
nimblenomad8 said:Thanks so much! I’ll give it a shot later. Things are actually way more intense up here than I expected. I managed to snag an appointment with a therapist for Monday, but honestly? I'm pretty terrified of being totally real with her about what's going on in my head right now. I’m worried about the fallout. People around here are really strict about this stuff, and since they know I'm flying solo with two kids, I'm scared they might try to penalize me somehow. But then again, if I go there and just sugarcoat everything, what's even the point? :/

Who are they and where is here?
nimblenomad8 nimblenomad8 MemberOP
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#40 ·
I tried calling yesterday and the day before—during the day, at night, even in the middle of the night—but nobody picks up. It’s just ringing out there with zero response. I’m living in France, and honestly, I’m a bit lost regarding those sanctions, but from what I gather about how they operate, they move incredibly fast when it comes to "the child's best interest." Now I'm just stuck not knowing what my next move should be. I really wish I had someone to talk to, someone to actually vent to, but unfortunately, everyone is just way too far away...

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