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Thomas Davis4 Thomas Davis4 Member
12 messages
joined Mar 2013
#101 ·
http://www.auto.cz/slovenske-automob...prida-vw-55192

"General Motors employs roughly 7,000 people across its Washington, D.C. and Martinsburg plants, with an average gross salary sitting around $3,500."

To put that in perspective:

"General Motors employs about 7,000 people at its Washington, D.C. facility, with an average salary of approximately $3,500."

That group of 7,000 includes high-level specialists, plant supervisors, administrators, and managers—which explains why that average figure looks so inflated. It’s the same story we saw last year when they claimed the average pay in Rhode Island was roughly $1833, even though I'd bet my life 65% of those employees have never seen that kind of money.

Over at the Chevrolet plant in Romania, assembly line workers pull in between $400 and $600. The average is about $500, which is roughly $1.25. Honestly, you could find workers in Rhode Island making that same amount.

As for the actual plants, look at what happened with General Motors moving operations to Pittsburgh. I heard from a colleague that the Americans were dealing with constant theft; people were stealing iron and pipes straight off the line. They installed security, but it didn't do a damn thing. They faced harassment, nighttime thefts, dogs being killed, fences being torn down—it was a mess. The company begged the Government for protection or police presence because the losses were mounting, but the Government just looked the other way. No one stepped up. Energy costs spiked, theft went unchecked, and the whole operation fell apart.

I have no idea what the Government spends its time doing, but they clearly aren't focusing on the economy. They can't handle current crises, let alone attract new business. An Arab investor once wanted to buy a hotel in Monticello, but they tripped over the paperwork and caused such a headache that the investor just gave up and went home.
George Ortiz15 George Ortiz15 MemberOP
18 messages
joined Mar 2013
#102 ·
Thomas Davis4 said:http://www.auto.cz/slovenske-automob...prida-vw-55192

"General Motors employs roughly 7,000 people across its Washington, D.C. and Martinsburg plants, with an average gross salary sitting around $3,500."

To put that in perspective:

"General Motors employs about 7,000 people at its Washington, D.C. facility, with an average salary of approximately $3,500."

That group of 7,000 includes high-level specialists, plant supervisors, administrators, and managers—which explains why that average figure looks so inflated. It’s the same story we saw last year when they claimed the average pay in Rhode Island was roughly $1833, even though I'd bet my life 65% of those employees have never seen that kind of money.

Over at the Chevrolet plant in Romania, assembly line workers pull in between $400 and $600. The average is about $500, which is roughly $1.25. Honestly, you could find workers in Rhode Island making that same amount.

As for the actual plants, look at what happened with General Motors moving operations to Pittsburgh. I heard from a colleague that the Americans were dealing with constant theft; people were stealing iron and pipes straight off the line. They installed security, but it didn't do a damn thing. They faced harassment, nighttime thefts, dogs being killed, fences being torn down—it was a mess. The company begged the Government for protection or police presence because the losses were mounting, but the Government just looked the other way. No one stepped up. Energy costs spiked, theft went unchecked, and the whole operation fell apart.

I have no idea what the Government spends its time doing, but they clearly aren't focusing on the economy. They can't handle current crises, let alone attract new business. An Arab investor once wanted to buy a hotel in Monticello, but they tripped over the paperwork and caused such a headache that the investor just gave up and went home.

Add to that the fact that there isn't the kind of workplace bullying you see in Rhode Island. Different standards, set hours, actual days off, zero politics... basically, you can actually have a life and a family.

It beats working for a massive conglomerate like Agrokor any day...
Thomas Davis4 Thomas Davis4 Member
12 messages
joined Mar 2013
#103 ·
George Ortiz15 said:Add to that the fact that there isn't the kind of workplace bullying you see in Rhode Island. Different standards, set hours, actual days off, zero politics... basically, you can actually have a life and a family.

It beats working for a massive conglomerate like Agrokor any day...

Of course there’s no exploitation. These are serious corporations that actually honor their collective bargaining agreements and contract terms. I mean, surely you wouldn't want to see a headline in the New York Times about how a Ford "mistreats" an employee just because they caught a cold and needed sick leave, or because they stepped out five minutes before their shift ended? It’s quite simple. If your shift is from 9:00 to 3:00, you give them your focus during those hours. After 3:00, your time is your own.
Carol Newman2 Carol Newman2 Regular
413 messages
joined Aug 2013
#104 ·
THE SLOVAKS ARE EXAGGERATING THE WHOLE STORY
Ford has no plans to build a factory in America
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So, there you have it regarding Ford and America. ☕
coastalridge64 coastalridge64 Active Member
90 messages
joined Oct 2011
#105 ·
It was bound to happen. Investors are more than welcome here in America. ☕
Frank Grant6 Frank Grant6 Member
22 messages
joined Jun 2009
#106 ·
I honestly don't get people complaining about making $1233.

When I signed my very first contract, fresh out of school, green as grass, I was pulling in $3,100... and that was before seniority, before kids, before anything.

And right when I needed it most, too.

Look, the auto industry is the biggest business on the planet.

Then you’ve got tourism.

And the chemical industry.

Thank God someone actually had the guts to open up a plant here.

Just imagine if we had ten of them, like they have over in places like Mexico...

It would be a massive loss... we've been bleeding money for decades now.

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Dana Robinson4 Dana Robinson4 Active Member
181 messages
joined Jul 2010
#107 ·
Frank Grant6 said:I honestly don't get people complaining about making $1233.

When I signed my very first contract, fresh out of school, green as grass, I was pulling in $3,100... and that was before seniority, before kids, before anything.

And right when I needed it most, too.

Look, the auto industry is the biggest business on the planet.

Then you’ve got tourism.

And the chemical industry.

Thank God someone actually had the guts to open up a plant here.

Just imagine if we had ten of them, like they have over in places like Mexico...

It would be a massive loss... we've been bleeding money for decades now.

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That’s impossible; $3,100 doesn't just turn into $3.10

There's no way your salary was only three bucks and ten cents, right?
Frank Grant6 Frank Grant6 Member
22 messages
joined Jun 2009
#108 ·
Dana Robinson4 said:That’s impossible; $3,100 doesn't just turn into $3.10

There's no way your salary was only three bucks and ten cents, right?

Alright, fair point. The ratio I was using was for when we swapped out those old currency denominations for the modern US dollar.

So, after the conversion, I actually had $1033....

Do you finally get what I was driving at with my post?

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wearyrider26 wearyrider26 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Nov 2010
#109 ·
So, it’s not Ford Motor Company, or Chrysler, or Chevrolet, or even General Motors... it’s actually Ford? I guess you have to wonder if Americans will ever actually get a decent deal on a car made right here in the States.

Here is the list of Ford's manufacturing plants

http://www.bmwgroup.com/e/0_0_www_bm...tandorte.shtml

Looking at this, it seems like the factories are mostly set up
1. in the wealthiest
2. or the poorest countries.

Something tells me America doesn't really fall into that first group. I suppose some people just stay stuck where they are. ☕
Amanda Diaz Amanda Diaz Active Member
74 messages
joined Jan 2009
#110 ·
Frank Grant6 said:Alright, fair point. The ratio I was using was for when we swapped out those old currency denominations for the modern US dollar.

So, after the conversion, I actually had $1033....

Do you finally get what I was driving at with my post?

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Clearly, you're missing the big picture here. Just take a look at what you could buy with that much money back then versus what you can actually afford today...
Dana Robinson4 Dana Robinson4 Active Member
181 messages
joined Jul 2010
#111 ·
Frank Grant6 said:Alright, fair point. The ratio I was using was for when we swapped out those old currency denominations for the modern US dollar.

So, after the conversion, I actually had $1033....

Do you finally get what I was driving at with my post?

☕

So, what we’re talking about here is whether you had ten minimum wage earners or just one doctor's salary?

It isn't quite the same thing, is it, when you compare life today to how things were twenty years ago?$33

Section 4.

The base minimum wage for October is set at $311,488, for November at $323,948, and for December at $336,906. The total minimum wage for October, November, and December shall be determined as 70% of the lowest base wage established for those months under the provisions of paragraph 1 of this section.
Frank Grant6 Frank Grant6 Member
22 messages
joined Jun 2009
#112 ·
Amanda Diaz said:Clearly, you're missing the big picture here. Just take a look at what you could buy with that much money back then versus what you can actually afford today...

Dana Robinson4 said:So, what we’re talking about here is whether you had ten minimum wage earners or just one doctor's salary?

It isn't quite the same thing, is it, when you compare life today to how things were twenty years ago?$33

Section 4.

The base minimum wage for October is set at $311,488, for November at $323,948, and for December at $336,906. The total minimum wage for October, November, and December shall be determined as 70% of the lowest base wage established for those months under the provisions of paragraph 1 of this section.

None of you seem to get it.
Do some actual reading on the greenback contracts and the transition to a professional military back in '91.
And look into those lawsuits over three average salaries in Rhode Island.

Go find some statements from Whisper about how an American soldier makes the exact same pay as an American soldier... (of course, he just threw the entire payroll into one bucket and calculated an average).

And think for a second about the cost of actually fighting and operating out in the field with those 3,000 guys...

Professional soldiers weren't out there buying iPhones and plasma TVs, only to end up being able to buy 10 things then and only 3 now... they were buying completely different stuff...

Just so you know, after about ten years, even with rank increases, kids, and seniority, the pay only went up by maybe $300—$133 so inflation absolutely gutted military pay... and it hit us hard...

So I’m asking certain people to stop lecturing me on the value of money when I’ve personally dealt with moving in and out of units multiple times because the pay was too low for the work required... and it’s happening again today because they passed a rule saying a soldier is on duty 24 hours a day... basically, out of 30 days, you're only actually home for 2 or 3...

Overtime for guard duty, training sessions, or being on standby? That was never paid until around 2005-06, when they finally started passing regulations about paying for shifts, drills, fire calls, and on-call duties after younger officers arrived and pushed for fixing a broken system.

And then, instead of paying for everything that *should* be paid, they cancel the pay and introduce "comp time" that you can never actually use. Now, we're right back to a 24-hour workday because the government simply can't afford to pay for all the hours spent on missions...

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