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Participants Sandra Kern37Linda Moore51stormyrider28Brenda Gonzalez12Benjamin Taylor90Jessica Morris6Elizabeth Jacksonstormytiger4
Brenda Gonzalez12 Brenda Gonzalez12 Member
45 messages
joined Mar 2017
#21 ·
stormytiger4 said:Hey there, fellow Alternative fans. What’s everyone thinking about how PŽK keeps constantly messing with the audience using their garbage tactics? Are you guys actually aiming to shut down Alternative or just target PŽK?
Look, I’m not against anyone here, and I definitely don't want to see Alternative shut down. I just want to know what the end game is so I can figure out where to put my support.

Do you want my honest opinion? My biggest wish is to see a moderator team brought back in. We need people who will actually step in and stop these zombies from posting absolute nonsense under the Alternative umbrella, peddling fake medical advice, being disrespectful to everyone, and spamming through SMS messages, profile signatures, and posts.
The Alternative movement covers such a massive range of topics, but it does have its limits—there’s a line where genuine alternative views cross over into pure stupidity.
Usually, you could just hit the report button on a post, but when there’s zero response because the moderation is non-existent, things just spiral completely out of control. The current state of things is honestly a total mess.
If we had proper oversight, we wouldn't constantly have to start new threads begging for protection against blatant clones, violations of common sense, and people ignoring basic decency and the law.
Sandra Kern37 Sandra Kern37 MemberOP
35 messages
joined Aug 2021
#22 ·
Brenda Gonzalez12 said:Oh, really? After exactly two posts, this person starts rambling about how I’m out on vacation in Florida with my family, and then asks why I’m even bothering to talk to her?

Here is my actual post, so everyone can see THE AGGRESSION SHE IS DIRECTING AT ME.

And this is the response she gets from someone whose very first post on the thread is being met with this:

What does she know about me, my family, or where I am? Unless she reads every single thread or has some psychic ability to know my business, she's clueless. Besides, I didn't even address her directly once; I just gave her the same advice everyone else did: avoid the scammers who are doing exactly what she EXPLICITLY SAID SHE WASN'T INTERESTED IN. And since she decided to resort to blatant ad hominem insults, I felt I had to shut her down immediately so she'd stop bringing up her family in these posts. And you know what, Gnu? I think I'll start treating you the exact same way from now on. With total pleasure.

And you really, truly concluded that this is how it *actually* works because you're such an "intelligent" person? Gnu, you've honestly managed to embarrass yourself quite spectacularly on this thread. You know, maybe I should have just come out and said that my moderators call me every single morning at 9:00 AM to tip me off about who is cloning whom, and that they even go as far as hiding my IP addresses for me. I bet you'd swallow that whole and post it right here too!
😂 😂

Oh, hey, do you remember that time someone made a joke on another thread suggesting you were actually related to Nica? 😁

Well, Gnu actually fell for it hook, line, and sinker, and spent an entire month blowing his own trumpet about it all over the Forum. ☕
stormytiger4 stormytiger4 Active Member
148 messages
joined Feb 2020
#23 ·
Brenda Gonzalez12 said:Do you want my honest opinion? My biggest wish is to see a moderator team brought back in. We need people who will actually step in and stop these zombies from posting absolute nonsense under the Alternative umbrella, peddling fake medical advice, being disrespectful to everyone, and spamming through SMS messages, profile signatures, and posts.
The Alternative movement covers such a massive range of topics, but it does have its limits—there’s a line where genuine alternative views cross over into pure stupidity.
Usually, you could just hit the report button on a post, but when there’s zero response because the moderation is non-existent, things just spiral completely out of control. The current state of things is honestly a total mess.
If we had proper oversight, we wouldn't constantly have to start new threads begging for protection against blatant clones, violations of common sense, and people ignoring basic decency and the law.

Oh, and you know what? This all makes sense. These endless debates of yours are probably just bait to lure in some naive new moderators who are willing to lobotomize themselves for the "greater good" of the Forum. Honestly, it might just be easier to shut down Alternative Treatment entirely. Just like they did with Living Wall, just kill it off so we can at least walk away with some decent memories. 🙂
Brenda Gonzalez12 Brenda Gonzalez12 Member
45 messages
joined Mar 2017
#24 ·
Sandra Kern37 said:Oh, hey, do you remember that time someone made a joke on another thread suggesting you were actually related to Nica? 😁

Well, Gnu actually fell for it hook, line, and sinker, and spent an entire month blowing his own trumpet about it all over the Forum. ☕

Even after Beljki told him several times that he was just pulling his leg, this guy went ahead and filed a formal complaint with the authorities. Honestly, the guy is living in a cartoon!
😂 😂
Brenda Gonzalez12 Brenda Gonzalez12 Member
45 messages
joined Mar 2017
#25 ·
stormytiger4 said:Oh, and you know what? This all makes sense. These endless debates of yours are probably just bait to lure in some naive new moderators who are willing to lobotomize themselves for the "greater good" of the Forum. Honestly, it might just be easier to shut down Alternative Treatment entirely. Just like they did with Living Wall, just kill it off so we can at least walk away with some decent memories. 🙂

And look, the exact same group of people went MIA for a couple of days. Things actually started settling down on their own—people were getting into discussions, having real conversations, exchanging views. It was civilized and actually meant something! Even the topics were starting to pick up steam. And then, out of nowhere, these jerks show up and wreck everything.
Seriously, even recently there was an attempt by one of the "alternative" types (Leena) to try and calm things down. But after just 48 hours, the same three characters (Ibrahim-Pr, stormyrider28, and Lorelei_S) crawl back, and everything goes straight to hell. All because they're absolutely livid that the topic where they were playing Messiah has been shut down...
I mean, what else can you expect?
stormyrider28 stormyrider28 Member
17 messages
joined Dec 2018
#26 ·
stormytiger4 said:Hey there, fellow Alternative fans. What’s everyone thinking about how PŽK keeps constantly messing with the audience using their garbage tactics? Are you guys actually aiming to shut down Alternative or just target PŽK?
Look, I’m not against anyone here, and I definitely don't want to see Alternative shut down. I just want to know what the end game is so I can figure out where to put my support.

Honestly, you really have to ask the guy who started this thread what his actual endgame is... like, what was he even thinking when he opened this? To me, it just feels like he’s super on edge because things aren't going his way—you know, since he can't force certain threads or entire sub-forums to shut down. He's just pushing and pushing, basically pestering everyone here and wasting entire days obsessing over this on the Forum... It's honestly exhausting. Nothing is going to change, that much is obvious. If Alternative Treatment was actually allowed to moderate a few of these specific users, they'd be gone in a heartbeat and things would finally be orderly again...
stormytiger4 said:Oh, and you know what? This all makes sense. These endless debates of yours are probably just bait to lure in some naive new moderators who are willing to lobotomize themselves for the "greater good" of the Forum. Honestly, it might just be easier to shut down Alternative Treatment entirely. Just like they did with Living Wall, just kill it off so we can at least walk away with some decent memories. 🙂

There’s absolutely no way they’re gonna shut down an entire sub-forum with hundreds of threads just because two or three trolls are acting out in a handful of posts... that would be totally ridiculous. Honestly, if they just dealt with those specific people and handed out sanctions for the insults and trolling, you'd see how fast things would settle down into peace and quiet...
Just take a look at these insults for yourself... seriously, tell me if you think a normal person could actually write stuff like this... and do it in every single post too...
Brenda Gonzalez12 said:The only orgasm you seem to be getting... 🤦
When you’re watching your buddies get hit with heavy illnesses... when you see your own relatives passing away, just wasting away from cancer... man, it hits hard. And honestly? You’re probably sitting there staring at the floor, feeling like you're halfway in the grave yourself because of that "clueless father" who spent his whole life tearing you down... 🤦
Total psychopath at work...


And those guys who just suck up to him... you really have to wonder about them, man...
.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:Seriously, shut your mouth, Brenda Gonzalez12. You and those idiots at home who were supposedly "defending" me. Is your brain so fried that you can't even tell which sub-forum you're in?
.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:Man, this guy is just a Narcissus-style pathological liar (every single sentence starts with "I," "me," "my"...). And he's definitely using at least a few different profiles to post here.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:Whether it's one, two, three, or four people, they're all way out of your league. In terms of education and the quality of healthcare. So really, you're just showing how unrefined and clueless you are by insulting them.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:You think it's about you? You don't have a clue that the only way you even found out about this malicious jerk giving advice on the issue was from my message to you.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:The great charlatan Elizabeth Jackson is actually a huge believer that taking a massive dump is the perfect way to detox the body. Oh, and she also recommends inserting tubes up the butt. So basically... combine the "benefits" of this American online forum with Elizabeth's blended concoction, regularly shove a tube up your ass, and you'll live to be 200, looking as thin as a supermodel. 👍

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:I'm afraid that explaining the concept of "experience" regarding this specific issue for the fourth time is completely pointless when talking to someone slightly slow, someone malicious or just a straight-up troll.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:And I "supposedly" slept with you last night too. You want me to write out exactly how that went down for everyone here to see? Hmmm. They’d probably get a real kick out of reading that...
stormyrider28 stormyrider28 Member
17 messages
joined Dec 2018
#27 ·
Sandra Kern37 said:Oh, hey, do you remember that time someone made a joke on another thread suggesting you were actually related to Nica? 😁

Well, Gnu actually fell for it hook, line, and sinker, and spent an entire month blowing his own trumpet about it all over the Forum. ☕

Forum evo opet laz. Honestly, I have no clue why you won't just drop the link since we're already hanging out on pzk... It’s probably because there isn't even anything worth sharing...
Brenda Gonzalez12 said:Even after Beljki told him several times that he was just pulling his leg, this guy went ahead and filed a formal complaint with the authorities. Honestly, the guy is living in a cartoon!
😂 😂

Honestly, you could probably write fairy tales better than the Brothers Grimm with the way you spin stories... seriously, where am I even supposed to find this "report" you're talking about? I’ve literally only started one single thread in my entire life, and that was just some day when I was busy copying and pasting stuff from Linda Moore51's posts... You lie every single time you hit a key. Why don't you actually drop a link to where I supposedly "filed a report" just because someone mentioned that you and Nica are related? Good grief, what an absolute joke... It's like you've run out of actual ways to insult people, so now you're just making things up as you go... honestly, it's just pathetic...

For those of you still scratching your heads trying to figure out what the actual issue is over on the Alternative Treatment sub-forum... here’s a little preview. Just more of the same disgusting insults that ALWAYS seem to pour out of the exact same group of people. Honestly, it’s getting old. That’s why I keep saying it—the second they actually start handing out sanctions, things will finally settle down. We'll get some peace and quiet on the Alternative Treatment board, and all these headaches will just vanish overnight...
Brenda Gonzalez12 said:And you aren't even smart enough to realize—you know, the whole Raw Food thing—where exactly you're getting the story wrong. And then... Honestly, when you mix a total lack of common sense with the trauma of losing your innocence and that deep-seated inability to have kids... man, you’re looking at some seriously massive frustration levels...

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:Look, Elizabeth Jackson, you are seriously one of the biggest idiots I’ve ever come across... and I mean that in the most dangerous, psychotic way possible because you clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about. Seriously, how much longer are you going to be allowed to just post this absolute garbage here without anyone calling you out on it? It's getting ridiculous...

You idiot, do you even realize... WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF SOMEONE DRANK 5-8 (OR GOD FORBID, MORE) GLASSES OF THIS STUFF AND THEY HAD HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, DIABETES, OR A BLOOD CLOTTING DISORDER?
WOULD THEY THEN JUST SAY, "HEY, NOBODY FORCED ME TO DO IT"???

WHEN YOU POST YOUR "SMARTASS" LITTLE RANTS, MAYBE TRY HAVING A SHRED OF SHAME REGARDING WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU MIX MEDICATION WITH GINGER.
AND STOP ACTING LIKE A DOCTOR BECAUSE YOU ARE DEFINITELY NOT!!!


Go screw yourself, you absolute bottom-feeder. As soon as you see a massive red flag, you just slap up a post without reading a single damn thing.

Here’s how one person on the Forum described Brenda Gonzalez12's behavior regarding Alternative Treatment.

Let me quote this for you...
The way Brenda Gonzalez12 acts is just beyond insane and totally uncivilized. Look, I get that you don't have to agree with every point being made, but reacting to every single disagreement with the crudest insults—while claiming you're just "protecting" people who can't think for themselves—says everything about her character. Her understanding of Alternative Treatment is stuck at this incredibly primitive level where she constantly threatens to have people kicked out of the country just because they don't think exactly like she does. Honestly, she doesn't understand what an alternative actually is, and her presence on this sub-forum is just a total joke. Regardless, this constant streak of being vulgar and rude is absolutely unacceptable.

I’ll add some more insults from two other guys who troll Alternative Treatment, just so it doesn't look like Brenda Gonzalez12 is the only one doing it. Let everyone decide if this kind of wild, feral behavior on the Forum makes any sense or if there's even a shred of justification for it??
Sandra Kern37 Sandra Kern37 MemberOP
35 messages
joined Aug 2021
#28 ·
So, where are all these supposed insults and lies you keep talking about?

I see you linked something regarding "lies," but honestly, there isn't a single falsehood in there. I’ve already laid out my entire position on the matter, and frankly, I have zero intention of sitting here playing broken record by answering the exact same questions over and over again.

Are you actually planning on linking those "insults" from this year so we can finally settle this once and for all?☕
Sandra Kern37 Sandra Kern37 MemberOP
35 messages
joined Aug 2021
#29 ·
stormyrider28 said:Honestly, you really have to ask the guy who started this thread what his actual endgame is... like, what was he even thinking when he opened this? To me, it just feels like he’s super on edge because things aren't going his way—you know, since he can't force certain threads or entire sub-forums to shut down. He's just pushing and pushing, basically pestering everyone here and wasting entire days obsessing over this on the Forum... It's honestly exhausting. Nothing is going to change, that much is obvious. If Alternative Treatment was actually allowed to moderate a few of these specific users, they'd be gone in a heartbeat and things would finally be orderly again...

There’s absolutely no way they’re gonna shut down an entire sub-forum with hundreds of threads just because two or three trolls are acting out in a handful of posts... that would be totally ridiculous. Honestly, if they just dealt with those specific people and handed out sanctions for the insults and trolling, you'd see how fast things would settle down into peace and quiet...
Just take a look at these insults for yourself... seriously, tell me if you think a normal person could actually write stuff like this... and do it in every single post too...

Oh sure, because shutting down Alternative is clearly the single most pressing issue facing humanity right now. 🙏

Gnu, you’re tossing around terms like "3 or 4 trolls," and since we all know exactly who you're aiming that finger at, I have to wonder—do you honestly feel no shame even suggesting that about someone who's actually standing right there in the trenches with you on this topic? It basically spells out the whole situation. i Take those vague, half-baked arguments they’re throwing around over there and dismantle them piece by piece; don't let a single one of those clouds of nonsense stand.

Look, like I already mentioned, we really need to address this whole issue with people veering off-topic and getting personal with their insults. You don't even have the right to speak.And that’s especially true after you and the company decided to drag a man’s family into the conversation.

As for this whole idea that my ultimate goal is to shut down the Alternative (!?) sub-forum—you’d have to be truly, deeply deluded to believe that. 🤣

Sandra Kern37 said:That guy is just the shady moderator running this Forum—basically a reptile taking orders directly from Queen Elizabeth. You see, he isn't actually intimidated by the Cross or the Bible; what really scares him is this Alternative sub-forum, mostly because everyone here has already seen right through his nonsense. He’s too terrified to step foot into the Alternative section himself, so instead, he sent me and my clones—his little hired mercenaries—to clean up the mess he couldn't handle on his own. 😁

Don't go taking everything so seriously. 😁
Brenda Gonzalez12 Brenda Gonzalez12 Member
45 messages
joined Mar 2017
#30 ·
stormyrider28 Asks:
Honestly, you really have to look at what the person who started this thread was actually expecting when they hit "post." To me, it just feels like they're incredibly on edge because things aren't going their way—specifically regarding trying to shut down certain threads or even entire sub-forums. They’re basically forcing an agenda and just badgering everyone here about it, spending entire days hovering over the Forum. It’s pretty obvious that nothing is actually going to change. If the Alternative side were allowed to moderate those specific few users, they’d be gone in a heartbeat, and we’d finally have some actual order around here!

Honestly, all these trolls (and everyone else who’s going to step up to take their place) are going to keep hanging around as long as we allow the bad actors—the people with actual malice, the clueless ones, and those completely lacking common sense—to run wild in these threads. They spend their time insulting others and spreading blatant lies or unverified nonsense that puts anyone trying to find answers—even if they're looking for an Alternative Treatment—in real danger. If people are searching for solutions to their problems, those answers actually need to make sense and, more importantly, NOT cause harm! But instead, you guys seem to be doing everything in your power to hurt people. Seriously, what is the motivation behind this? It’s honestly something someone should really look into and address. ☕

stormyrider28 said:Honestly, you really have to ask the guy who started this thread what his actual endgame is... like, what was he even thinking when he opened this? To me, it just feels like he’s super on edge because things aren't going his way—you know, since he can't force certain threads or entire sub-forums to shut down. He's just pushing and pushing, basically pestering everyone here and wasting entire days obsessing over this on the Forum... It's honestly exhausting. Nothing is going to change, that much is obvious. If Alternative Treatment was actually allowed to moderate a few of these specific users, they'd be gone in a heartbeat and things would finally be orderly again...

There’s absolutely no way they’re gonna shut down an entire sub-forum with hundreds of threads just because two or three trolls are acting out in a handful of posts... that would be totally ridiculous. Honestly, if they just dealt with those specific people and handed out sanctions for the insults and trolling, you'd see how fast things would settle down into peace and quiet...
Just take a look at these insults for yourself... seriously, tell me if you think a normal person could actually write stuff like this... and do it in every single post too...

Why would Alternative ever shut down?
Honestly, it’s actually pretty fun when you take a little mathematical approach to all this! You know what they say—repetition is the mother of wisdom, even if what’s being repeated is total nonsense. If you just sit back and crunch the numbers by scanning through all these threads, you end up with this:
stormyrider28 has gone on record no less than 44 times claiming he "knows six people" who completely cured their cancer just by switching to Raw Food—and he even tossed in that one person supposedly kicked both Crohn’s and diabetes to the curb with it! Of course, this incredible medical miracle hasn't exactly made its way into any scientific journals or mainstream news, but hey, Gnu always insists he's preaching the "absolute truth." He just kept repeating it like a broken record until everyone else finally started poking fun at him!
Honestly, stormyrider28 and Elizabeth Jackson have gone on about sixty-eight different times now, preaching that meat is basically toxic, carcinogenic, and just straight-up poison for the human body. It’s getting a little old! When you actually ask them to back up those wild claims with some real substance, they completely freeze up. They always fall back on this vague "WHO research" line—which, let's be real, they clearly haven't actually read themselves. Instead, they just skim through flashy headlines from sites like People Magazine, USA Today, or various clickbait news portals and call it "science." And the funniest part? When you point out that it’s actually the processed additives and preservatives that do the damage, rather than the meat itself, they don't have a single clue how to respond. They just go silent!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone and posted twenty-six different times about how some little kid from a coastal town like Miami caught measles right after getting vaccinated. There’s absolutely zero follow-up or any official explanation regarding what actually happened, because apparently, we aren't allowed to provide the facts here—we just have to keep fueling this extreme anti-vax sentiment!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record twenty-seven different times claiming that you won't find a single raw vegan patient in an oncology ward. It’s a bold claim! But honestly, when it comes to explaining why people who follow a Raw Food lifestyle might choose to decline conventional medical treatment altogether... well, there just isn't an answer for that.
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record at least 23 times now, claiming that chemotherapy is basically a death sentence and calling it a poison that everyone should steer clear of. It’s wild! Even when you throw actual data at her—you know, those statistics comparing standard recovery rates to the success stories from Alternative Treatment—she just brushes it off. She refuses to acknowledge any of it, insisting that the numbers are nothing more than lies cooked up by certain special interest groups. Honestly, it's quite a lot to take in!
-Elizabeth Jackson and stormyrider28 have gone back and forth at least 22 times claiming that a combined diet of meat and veggies is the absolute gold standard for weight loss and they swear by its effectiveness. The funny thing is, neither of them actually eats like that—they spend more time trashing people's food choices than following their own advice!
-Elizabeth Jackson has posted 23 separate times about how parents who refuse vaccinations should be hit with $667 fines, claiming that once they pay up, their kids become "acceptable and no longer a threat," even though everyone has already pointed out that this claim is a total fabrication. She keeps pushing this agenda and attacking anyone who disagrees, despite the fact that she doesn't even have children herself.
-stormyrider28 has dropped the exact same post 14 times across various threads, trying to call out Elizabeth Jackson for spreading ridiculous posts that promote "detox" methods that are actually life-threatening. Once people pointed out the potential side effects, this whole little "Alternative Treatment" clique jumped in to spread that specific snippet (but conveniently leaving out the explanation!) across different boards just to act like some forum member was being bullied, rather than addressing the dangerous nonsense being passed off as "advice."
Seriously, how many troll posts, ad hominem attacks, off-topic tangents, and straight-up malicious lies have been written by just three or four users (it’s always the same group: Elizabeth Jackson, stormyrider28, Lorelei_S, and Arsen...)?

How many violations, breaches of the rules, and breaks of the Forum guidelines have happened here? And you, stormyrider28, seriously have the nerve to come back and try to troll this thread again with your lies and nastiness?

Regarding these "insults"—honestly, it's like looking at a pathological case—you've already for the fourth time posted cropped snippets of text without any of the preceding context. In these snippets, within nutrition threads, people are talking about losing weight by doing things like inserting tubes up the backside, eating carrion, consuming filth, suggesting cannibalism, mocking deceased relatives, making light of terminal illnesses and dead children, insulting their own uneducated parents, mocking other members and their families, leaking private info, and even letting out homophobic, xenophobic, and ultra-nationalist rants...

Does it really bother you when a forum member—who isn't even participating in the actual debate—gets addressed by some petty, insecure person (someone who didn't even address them directly, but instead targeted their possible clone) like this?
Lorelei S said:We're noticing... and such a "creature" always brings this up because they have deep-seated inferiority complexes from being innocent until age 43, before finally being cornered by a divorced woman with a child.

The topic is "NUTRITION," meaning anything related to food that aids healing or promotes health, just so people are informed.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with the topic, except for the pathological hatred you have toward me (which is obvious by which quotes you choose to pull). You're clearly obsessed with me because I won't let you post garbage without comment, especially since out of 900 posts, you don't have even 10 that are actually on-topic. In any thread, for that matter. Every single one of your posts—and anyone can verify this—is just ad hominem insults, trolling, or sucking up to a guy you claim you don't even know.
But look, stormyrider28, it's not my fault you're so incapable in life—unemployed, no family, no hobbies, no private life, just bitter and twisted. Since you've picked up all those ailments, you've turned to "Alternative Treatment" as a last resort. Those are your life choices, and as an adult, you need to learn to live with them.

Now, why don't you try to make a genuine mental effort and write a post that actually pertains to this topic? ☕
Benjamin Taylor90 Benjamin Taylor90 Member
45 messages
joined Mar 2018
#31 ·
stormytiger4 said:Hey there, fellow Alternative fans. What’s everyone thinking about how PŽK keeps constantly messing with the audience using their garbage tactics? Are you guys actually aiming to shut down Alternative or just target PŽK?
Look, I’m not against anyone here, and I definitely don't want to see Alternative shut down. I just want to know what the end game is so I can figure out where to put my support.

https://beebelawpllcdotcom.files.wor...kids.png?w=686 😁
Elizabeth Jackson Elizabeth Jackson Member
38 messages
joined Nov 2012
#32 ·
Brenda Gonzalez12 said:
stormyrider28 Asks:
Honestly, you really have to look at what the person who started this thread was actually expecting when they hit "post." To me, it just feels like they're incredibly on edge because things aren't going their way—specifically regarding trying to shut down certain threads or even entire sub-forums. They’re basically forcing an agenda and just badgering everyone here about it, spending entire days hovering over the Forum. It’s pretty obvious that nothing is actually going to change. If the Alternative side were allowed to moderate those specific few users, they’d be gone in a heartbeat, and we’d finally have some actual order around here!

Honestly, all these trolls (and everyone else who’s going to step up to take their place) are going to keep hanging around as long as we allow the bad actors—the people with actual malice, the clueless ones, and those completely lacking common sense—to run wild in these threads. They spend their time insulting others and spreading blatant lies or unverified nonsense that puts anyone trying to find answers—even if they're looking for an Alternative Treatment—in real danger. If people are searching for solutions to their problems, those answers actually need to make sense and, more importantly, NOT cause harm! But instead, you guys seem to be doing everything in your power to hurt people. Seriously, what is the motivation behind this? It’s honestly something someone should really look into and address. ☕

Why would Alternative ever shut down?
Honestly, it’s actually pretty fun when you take a little mathematical approach to all this! You know what they say—repetition is the mother of wisdom, even if what’s being repeated is total nonsense. If you just sit back and crunch the numbers by scanning through all these threads, you end up with this:
stormyrider28 has gone on record no less than 44 times claiming he "knows six people" who completely cured their cancer just by switching to Raw Food—and he even tossed in that one person supposedly kicked both Crohn’s and diabetes to the curb with it! Of course, this incredible medical miracle hasn't exactly made its way into any scientific journals or mainstream news, but hey, Gnu always insists he's preaching the "absolute truth." He just kept repeating it like a broken record until everyone else finally started poking fun at him!
Honestly, stormyrider28 and Elizabeth Jackson have gone on about sixty-eight different times now, preaching that meat is basically toxic, carcinogenic, and just straight-up poison for the human body. It’s getting a little old! When you actually ask them to back up those wild claims with some real substance, they completely freeze up. They always fall back on this vague "WHO research" line—which, let's be real, they clearly haven't actually read themselves. Instead, they just skim through flashy headlines from sites like People Magazine, USA Today, or various clickbait news portals and call it "science." And the funniest part? When you point out that it’s actually the processed additives and preservatives that do the damage, rather than the meat itself, they don't have a single clue how to respond. They just go silent!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone and posted twenty-six different times about how some little kid from a coastal town like Miami caught measles right after getting vaccinated. There’s absolutely zero follow-up or any official explanation regarding what actually happened, because apparently, we aren't allowed to provide the facts here—we just have to keep fueling this extreme anti-vax sentiment!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record twenty-seven different times claiming that you won't find a single raw vegan patient in an oncology ward. It’s a bold claim! But honestly, when it comes to explaining why people who follow a Raw Food lifestyle might choose to decline conventional medical treatment altogether... well, there just isn't an answer for that.
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record at least 23 times now, claiming that chemotherapy is basically a death sentence and calling it a poison that everyone should steer clear of. It’s wild! Even when you throw actual data at her—you know, those statistics comparing standard recovery rates to the success stories from Alternative Treatment—she just brushes it off. She refuses to acknowledge any of it, insisting that the numbers are nothing more than lies cooked up by certain special interest groups. Honestly, it's quite a lot to take in!
-Elizabeth Jackson and stormyrider28 have gone back and forth at least 22 times claiming that a combined diet of meat and veggies is the absolute gold standard for weight loss and they swear by its effectiveness. The funny thing is, neither of them actually eats like that—they spend more time trashing people's food choices than following their own advice!
-Elizabeth Jackson has posted 23 separate times about how parents who refuse vaccinations should be hit with $667 fines, claiming that once they pay up, their kids become "acceptable and no longer a threat," even though everyone has already pointed out that this claim is a total fabrication. She keeps pushing this agenda and attacking anyone who disagrees, despite the fact that she doesn't even have children herself.
-stormyrider28 has dropped the exact same post 14 times across various threads, trying to call out Elizabeth Jackson for spreading ridiculous posts that promote "detox" methods that are actually life-threatening. Once people pointed out the potential side effects, this whole little "Alternative Treatment" clique jumped in to spread that specific snippet (but conveniently leaving out the explanation!) across different boards just to act like some forum member was being bullied, rather than addressing the dangerous nonsense being passed off as "advice."
Seriously, how many troll posts, ad hominem attacks, off-topic tangents, and straight-up malicious lies have been written by just three or four users (it’s always the same group: Elizabeth Jackson, stormyrider28, Lorelei_S, and Arsen...)?

How many violations, breaches of the rules, and breaks of the Forum guidelines have happened here? And you, stormyrider28, seriously have the nerve to come back and try to troll this thread again with your lies and nastiness?

Regarding these "insults"—honestly, it's like looking at a pathological case—you've already for the fourth time posted cropped snippets of text without any of the preceding context. In these snippets, within nutrition threads, people are talking about losing weight by doing things like inserting tubes up the backside, eating carrion, consuming filth, suggesting cannibalism, mocking deceased relatives, making light of terminal illnesses and dead children, insulting their own uneducated parents, mocking other members and their families, leaking private info, and even letting out homophobic, xenophobic, and ultra-nationalist rants...

Does it really bother you when a forum member—who isn't even participating in the actual debate—gets addressed by some petty, insecure person (someone who didn't even address them directly, but instead targeted their possible clone) like this?

The topic is "NUTRITION," meaning anything related to food that aids healing or promotes health, just so people are informed.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with the topic, except for the pathological hatred you have toward me (which is obvious by which quotes you choose to pull). You're clearly obsessed with me because I won't let you post garbage without comment, especially since out of 900 posts, you don't have even 10 that are actually on-topic. In any thread, for that matter. Every single one of your posts—and anyone can verify this—is just ad hominem insults, trolling, or sucking up to a guy you claim you don't even know.
But look, stormyrider28, it's not my fault you're so incapable in life—unemployed, no family, no hobbies, no private life, just bitter and twisted. Since you've picked up all those ailments, you've turned to "Alternative Treatment" as a last resort. Those are your life choices, and as an adult, you need to learn to live with them.

Now, why don't you try to make a genuine mental effort and write a post that actually pertains to this topic? ☕

No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:
stormyrider28 Asks:
Honestly, you really have to look at what the person who started this thread was actually expecting when they hit "post." To me, it just feels like they're incredibly on edge because things aren't going their way—specifically regarding trying to shut down certain threads or even entire sub-forums. They’re basically forcing an agenda and just badgering everyone here about it, spending entire days hovering over the Forum. It’s pretty obvious that nothing is actually going to change. If the Alternative side were allowed to moderate those specific few users, they’d be gone in a heartbeat, and we’d finally have some actual order around here!

Honestly, all these trolls (and everyone else who’s going to step up to take their place) are going to keep hanging around as long as we allow the bad actors—the people with actual malice, the clueless ones, and those completely lacking common sense—to run wild in these threads. They spend their time insulting others and spreading blatant lies or unverified nonsense that puts anyone trying to find answers—even if they're looking for an Alternative Treatment—in real danger. If people are searching for solutions to their problems, those answers actually need to make sense and, more importantly, NOT cause harm! But instead, you guys seem to be doing everything in your power to hurt people. Seriously, what is the motivation behind this? It’s honestly something someone should really look into and address. ☕

Why would Alternative ever shut down?
Honestly, it’s actually pretty fun when you take a little mathematical approach to all this! You know what they say—repetition is the mother of wisdom, even if what’s being repeated is total nonsense. If you just sit back and crunch the numbers by scanning through all these threads, you end up with this:
stormyrider28 has gone on record no less than 44 times claiming he "knows six people" who completely cured their cancer just by switching to Raw Food—and he even tossed in that one person supposedly kicked both Crohn’s and diabetes to the curb with it! Of course, this incredible medical miracle hasn't exactly made its way into any scientific journals or mainstream news, but hey, Gnu always insists he's preaching the "absolute truth." He just kept repeating it like a broken record until everyone else finally started poking fun at him!
Honestly, stormyrider28 and Elizabeth Jackson have gone on about sixty-eight different times now, preaching that meat is basically toxic, carcinogenic, and just straight-up poison for the human body. It’s getting a little old! When you actually ask them to back up those wild claims with some real substance, they completely freeze up. They always fall back on this vague "WHO research" line—which, let's be real, they clearly haven't actually read themselves. Instead, they just skim through flashy headlines from sites like People Magazine, USA Today, or various clickbait news portals and call it "science." And the funniest part? When you point out that it’s actually the processed additives and preservatives that do the damage, rather than the meat itself, they don't have a single clue how to respond. They just go silent!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone and posted twenty-six different times about how some little kid from a coastal town like Miami caught measles right after getting vaccinated. There’s absolutely zero follow-up or any official explanation regarding what actually happened, because apparently, we aren't allowed to provide the facts here—we just have to keep fueling this extreme anti-vax sentiment!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record twenty-seven different times claiming that you won't find a single raw vegan patient in an oncology ward. It’s a bold claim! But honestly, when it comes to explaining why people who follow a Raw Food lifestyle might choose to decline conventional medical treatment altogether... well, there just isn't an answer for that.
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record at least 23 times now, claiming that chemotherapy is basically a death sentence and calling it a poison that everyone should steer clear of. It’s wild! Even when you throw actual data at her—you know, those statistics comparing standard recovery rates to the success stories from Alternative Treatment—she just brushes it off. She refuses to acknowledge any of it, insisting that the numbers are nothing more than lies cooked up by certain special interest groups. Honestly, it's quite a lot to take in!
-Elizabeth Jackson and stormyrider28 have gone back and forth at least 22 times claiming that a combined diet of meat and veggies is the absolute gold standard for weight loss and they swear by its effectiveness. The funny thing is, neither of them actually eats like that—they spend more time trashing people's food choices than following their own advice!
-Elizabeth Jackson has posted 23 separate times about how parents who refuse vaccinations should be hit with $667 fines, claiming that once they pay up, their kids become "acceptable and no longer a threat," even though everyone has already pointed out that this claim is a total fabrication. She keeps pushing this agenda and attacking anyone who disagrees, despite the fact that she doesn't even have children herself.
-stormyrider28 has dropped the exact same post 14 times across various threads, trying to call out Elizabeth Jackson for spreading ridiculous posts that promote "detox" methods that are actually life-threatening. Once people pointed out the potential side effects, this whole little "Alternative Treatment" clique jumped in to spread that specific snippet (but conveniently leaving out the explanation!) across different boards just to act like some forum member was being bullied, rather than addressing the dangerous nonsense being passed off as "advice."
Seriously, how many troll posts, ad hominem attacks, off-topic tangents, and straight-up malicious lies have been written by just three or four users (it’s always the same group: Elizabeth Jackson, stormyrider28, Lorelei_S, and Arsen...)?

How many violations, breaches of the rules, and breaks of the Forum guidelines have happened here? And you, stormyrider28, seriously have the nerve to come back and try to troll this thread again with your lies and nastiness?

Regarding these "insults"—honestly, it's like looking at a pathological case—you've already for the fourth time posted cropped snippets of text without any of the preceding context. In these snippets, within nutrition threads, people are talking about losing weight by doing things like inserting tubes up the backside, eating carrion, consuming filth, suggesting cannibalism, mocking deceased relatives, making light of terminal illnesses and dead children, insulting their own uneducated parents, mocking other members and their families, leaking private info, and even letting out homophobic, xenophobic, and ultra-nationalist rants...

Does it really bother you when a forum member—who isn't even participating in the actual debate—gets addressed by some petty, insecure person (someone who didn't even address them directly, but instead targeted their possible clone) like this?

The topic is "NUTRITION," meaning anything related to food that aids healing or promotes health, just so people are informed.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with the topic, except for the pathological hatred you have toward me (which is obvious by which quotes you choose to pull). You're clearly obsessed with me because I won't let you post garbage without comment, especially since out of 900 posts, you don't have even 10 that are actually on-topic. In any thread, for that matter. Every single one of your posts—and anyone can verify this—is just ad hominem insults, trolling, or sucking up to a guy you claim you don't even know.
But look, stormyrider28, it's not my fault you're so incapable in life—unemployed, no family, no hobbies, no private life, just bitter and twisted. Since you've picked up all those ailments, you've turned to "Alternative Treatment" as a last resort. Those are your life choices, and as an adult, you need to learn to live with them.

Now, why don't you try to make a genuine mental effort and write a post that actually pertains to this topic? ☕

Not a single one.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:
stormyrider28 Asks:
Honestly, you really have to look at what the person who started this thread was actually expecting when they hit "post." To me, it just feels like they're incredibly on edge because things aren't going their way—specifically regarding trying to shut down certain threads or even entire sub-forums. They’re basically forcing an agenda and just badgering everyone here about it, spending entire days hovering over the Forum. It’s pretty obvious that nothing is actually going to change. If the Alternative side were allowed to moderate those specific few users, they’d be gone in a heartbeat, and we’d finally have some actual order around here!

Honestly, all these trolls (and everyone else who’s going to step up to take their place) are going to keep hanging around as long as we allow the bad actors—the people with actual malice, the clueless ones, and those completely lacking common sense—to run wild in these threads. They spend their time insulting others and spreading blatant lies or unverified nonsense that puts anyone trying to find answers—even if they're looking for an Alternative Treatment—in real danger. If people are searching for solutions to their problems, those answers actually need to make sense and, more importantly, NOT cause harm! But instead, you guys seem to be doing everything in your power to hurt people. Seriously, what is the motivation behind this? It’s honestly something someone should really look into and address. ☕

Why would Alternative ever shut down?
Honestly, it’s actually pretty fun when you take a little mathematical approach to all this! You know what they say—repetition is the mother of wisdom, even if what’s being repeated is total nonsense. If you just sit back and crunch the numbers by scanning through all these threads, you end up with this:
stormyrider28 has gone on record no less than 44 times claiming he "knows six people" who completely cured their cancer just by switching to Raw Food—and he even tossed in that one person supposedly kicked both Crohn’s and diabetes to the curb with it! Of course, this incredible medical miracle hasn't exactly made its way into any scientific journals or mainstream news, but hey, Gnu always insists he's preaching the "absolute truth." He just kept repeating it like a broken record until everyone else finally started poking fun at him!
Honestly, stormyrider28 and Elizabeth Jackson have gone on about sixty-eight different times now, preaching that meat is basically toxic, carcinogenic, and just straight-up poison for the human body. It’s getting a little old! When you actually ask them to back up those wild claims with some real substance, they completely freeze up. They always fall back on this vague "WHO research" line—which, let's be real, they clearly haven't actually read themselves. Instead, they just skim through flashy headlines from sites like People Magazine, USA Today, or various clickbait news portals and call it "science." And the funniest part? When you point out that it’s actually the processed additives and preservatives that do the damage, rather than the meat itself, they don't have a single clue how to respond. They just go silent!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone and posted twenty-six different times about how some little kid from a coastal town like Miami caught measles right after getting vaccinated. There’s absolutely zero follow-up or any official explanation regarding what actually happened, because apparently, we aren't allowed to provide the facts here—we just have to keep fueling this extreme anti-vax sentiment!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record twenty-seven different times claiming that you won't find a single raw vegan patient in an oncology ward. It’s a bold claim! But honestly, when it comes to explaining why people who follow a Raw Food lifestyle might choose to decline conventional medical treatment altogether... well, there just isn't an answer for that.
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record at least 23 times now, claiming that chemotherapy is basically a death sentence and calling it a poison that everyone should steer clear of. It’s wild! Even when you throw actual data at her—you know, those statistics comparing standard recovery rates to the success stories from Alternative Treatment—she just brushes it off. She refuses to acknowledge any of it, insisting that the numbers are nothing more than lies cooked up by certain special interest groups. Honestly, it's quite a lot to take in!
-Elizabeth Jackson and stormyrider28 have gone back and forth at least 22 times claiming that a combined diet of meat and veggies is the absolute gold standard for weight loss and they swear by its effectiveness. The funny thing is, neither of them actually eats like that—they spend more time trashing people's food choices than following their own advice!
-Elizabeth Jackson has posted 23 separate times about how parents who refuse vaccinations should be hit with $667 fines, claiming that once they pay up, their kids become "acceptable and no longer a threat," even though everyone has already pointed out that this claim is a total fabrication. She keeps pushing this agenda and attacking anyone who disagrees, despite the fact that she doesn't even have children herself.
-stormyrider28 has dropped the exact same post 14 times across various threads, trying to call out Elizabeth Jackson for spreading ridiculous posts that promote "detox" methods that are actually life-threatening. Once people pointed out the potential side effects, this whole little "Alternative Treatment" clique jumped in to spread that specific snippet (but conveniently leaving out the explanation!) across different boards just to act like some forum member was being bullied, rather than addressing the dangerous nonsense being passed off as "advice."
Seriously, how many troll posts, ad hominem attacks, off-topic tangents, and straight-up malicious lies have been written by just three or four users (it’s always the same group: Elizabeth Jackson, stormyrider28, Lorelei_S, and Arsen...)?

How many violations, breaches of the rules, and breaks of the Forum guidelines have happened here? And you, stormyrider28, seriously have the nerve to come back and try to troll this thread again with your lies and nastiness?

Regarding these "insults"—honestly, it's like looking at a pathological case—you've already for the fourth time posted cropped snippets of text without any of the preceding context. In these snippets, within nutrition threads, people are talking about losing weight by doing things like inserting tubes up the backside, eating carrion, consuming filth, suggesting cannibalism, mocking deceased relatives, making light of terminal illnesses and dead children, insulting their own uneducated parents, mocking other members and their families, leaking private info, and even letting out homophobic, xenophobic, and ultra-nationalist rants...

Does it really bother you when a forum member—who isn't even participating in the actual debate—gets addressed by some petty, insecure person (someone who didn't even address them directly, but instead targeted their possible clone) like this?

The topic is "NUTRITION," meaning anything related to food that aids healing or promotes health, just so people are informed.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with the topic, except for the pathological hatred you have toward me (which is obvious by which quotes you choose to pull). You're clearly obsessed with me because I won't let you post garbage without comment, especially since out of 900 posts, you don't have even 10 that are actually on-topic. In any thread, for that matter. Every single one of your posts—and anyone can verify this—is just ad hominem insults, trolling, or sucking up to a guy you claim you don't even know.
But look, stormyrider28, it's not my fault you're so incapable in life—unemployed, no family, no hobbies, no private life, just bitter and twisted. Since you've picked up all those ailments, you've turned to "Alternative Treatment" as a last resort. Those are your life choices, and as an adult, you need to learn to live with them.

Now, why don't you try to make a genuine mental effort and write a post that actually pertains to this topic? ☕

Not a single one.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:
stormyrider28 Asks:
Honestly, you really have to look at what the person who started this thread was actually expecting when they hit "post." To me, it just feels like they're incredibly on edge because things aren't going their way—specifically regarding trying to shut down certain threads or even entire sub-forums. They’re basically forcing an agenda and just badgering everyone here about it, spending entire days hovering over the Forum. It’s pretty obvious that nothing is actually going to change. If the Alternative side were allowed to moderate those specific few users, they’d be gone in a heartbeat, and we’d finally have some actual order around here!

Honestly, all these trolls (and everyone else who’s going to step up to take their place) are going to keep hanging around as long as we allow the bad actors—the people with actual malice, the clueless ones, and those completely lacking common sense—to run wild in these threads. They spend their time insulting others and spreading blatant lies or unverified nonsense that puts anyone trying to find answers—even if they're looking for an Alternative Treatment—in real danger. If people are searching for solutions to their problems, those answers actually need to make sense and, more importantly, NOT cause harm! But instead, you guys seem to be doing everything in your power to hurt people. Seriously, what is the motivation behind this? It’s honestly something someone should really look into and address. ☕

Why would Alternative ever shut down?
Honestly, it’s actually pretty fun when you take a little mathematical approach to all this! You know what they say—repetition is the mother of wisdom, even if what’s being repeated is total nonsense. If you just sit back and crunch the numbers by scanning through all these threads, you end up with this:
stormyrider28 has gone on record no less than 44 times claiming he "knows six people" who completely cured their cancer just by switching to Raw Food—and he even tossed in that one person supposedly kicked both Crohn’s and diabetes to the curb with it! Of course, this incredible medical miracle hasn't exactly made its way into any scientific journals or mainstream news, but hey, Gnu always insists he's preaching the "absolute truth." He just kept repeating it like a broken record until everyone else finally started poking fun at him!
Honestly, stormyrider28 and Elizabeth Jackson have gone on about sixty-eight different times now, preaching that meat is basically toxic, carcinogenic, and just straight-up poison for the human body. It’s getting a little old! When you actually ask them to back up those wild claims with some real substance, they completely freeze up. They always fall back on this vague "WHO research" line—which, let's be real, they clearly haven't actually read themselves. Instead, they just skim through flashy headlines from sites like People Magazine, USA Today, or various clickbait news portals and call it "science." And the funniest part? When you point out that it’s actually the processed additives and preservatives that do the damage, rather than the meat itself, they don't have a single clue how to respond. They just go silent!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone and posted twenty-six different times about how some little kid from a coastal town like Miami caught measles right after getting vaccinated. There’s absolutely zero follow-up or any official explanation regarding what actually happened, because apparently, we aren't allowed to provide the facts here—we just have to keep fueling this extreme anti-vax sentiment!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record twenty-seven different times claiming that you won't find a single raw vegan patient in an oncology ward. It’s a bold claim! But honestly, when it comes to explaining why people who follow a Raw Food lifestyle might choose to decline conventional medical treatment altogether... well, there just isn't an answer for that.
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record at least 23 times now, claiming that chemotherapy is basically a death sentence and calling it a poison that everyone should steer clear of. It’s wild! Even when you throw actual data at her—you know, those statistics comparing standard recovery rates to the success stories from Alternative Treatment—she just brushes it off. She refuses to acknowledge any of it, insisting that the numbers are nothing more than lies cooked up by certain special interest groups. Honestly, it's quite a lot to take in!
-Elizabeth Jackson and stormyrider28 have gone back and forth at least 22 times claiming that a combined diet of meat and veggies is the absolute gold standard for weight loss and they swear by its effectiveness. The funny thing is, neither of them actually eats like that—they spend more time trashing people's food choices than following their own advice!
-Elizabeth Jackson has posted 23 separate times about how parents who refuse vaccinations should be hit with $667 fines, claiming that once they pay up, their kids become "acceptable and no longer a threat," even though everyone has already pointed out that this claim is a total fabrication. She keeps pushing this agenda and attacking anyone who disagrees, despite the fact that she doesn't even have children herself.
-stormyrider28 has dropped the exact same post 14 times across various threads, trying to call out Elizabeth Jackson for spreading ridiculous posts that promote "detox" methods that are actually life-threatening. Once people pointed out the potential side effects, this whole little "Alternative Treatment" clique jumped in to spread that specific snippet (but conveniently leaving out the explanation!) across different boards just to act like some forum member was being bullied, rather than addressing the dangerous nonsense being passed off as "advice."
Seriously, how many troll posts, ad hominem attacks, off-topic tangents, and straight-up malicious lies have been written by just three or four users (it’s always the same group: Elizabeth Jackson, stormyrider28, Lorelei_S, and Arsen...)?

How many violations, breaches of the rules, and breaks of the Forum guidelines have happened here? And you, stormyrider28, seriously have the nerve to come back and try to troll this thread again with your lies and nastiness?

Regarding these "insults"—honestly, it's like looking at a pathological case—you've already for the fourth time posted cropped snippets of text without any of the preceding context. In these snippets, within nutrition threads, people are talking about losing weight by doing things like inserting tubes up the backside, eating carrion, consuming filth, suggesting cannibalism, mocking deceased relatives, making light of terminal illnesses and dead children, insulting their own uneducated parents, mocking other members and their families, leaking private info, and even letting out homophobic, xenophobic, and ultra-nationalist rants...

Does it really bother you when a forum member—who isn't even participating in the actual debate—gets addressed by some petty, insecure person (someone who didn't even address them directly, but instead targeted their possible clone) like this?

The topic is "NUTRITION," meaning anything related to food that aids healing or promotes health, just so people are informed.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with the topic, except for the pathological hatred you have toward me (which is obvious by which quotes you choose to pull). You're clearly obsessed with me because I won't let you post garbage without comment, especially since out of 900 posts, you don't have even 10 that are actually on-topic. In any thread, for that matter. Every single one of your posts—and anyone can verify this—is just ad hominem insults, trolling, or sucking up to a guy you claim you don't even know.
But look, stormyrider28, it's not my fault you're so incapable in life—unemployed, no family, no hobbies, no private life, just bitter and twisted. Since you've picked up all those ailments, you've turned to "Alternative Treatment" as a last resort. Those are your life choices, and as an adult, you need to learn to live with them.

Now, why don't you try to make a genuine mental effort and write a post that actually pertains to this topic? ☕

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:
stormyrider28 Asks:
Honestly, you really have to look at what the person who started this thread was actually expecting when they hit "post." To me, it just feels like they're incredibly on edge because things aren't going their way—specifically regarding trying to shut down certain threads or even entire sub-forums. They’re basically forcing an agenda and just badgering everyone here about it, spending entire days hovering over the Forum. It’s pretty obvious that nothing is actually going to change. If the Alternative side were allowed to moderate those specific few users, they’d be gone in a heartbeat, and we’d finally have some actual order around here!

Honestly, all these trolls (and everyone else who’s going to step up to take their place) are going to keep hanging around as long as we allow the bad actors—the people with actual malice, the clueless ones, and those completely lacking common sense—to run wild in these threads. They spend their time insulting others and spreading blatant lies or unverified nonsense that puts anyone trying to find answers—even if they're looking for an Alternative Treatment—in real danger. If people are searching for solutions to their problems, those answers actually need to make sense and, more importantly, NOT cause harm! But instead, you guys seem to be doing everything in your power to hurt people. Seriously, what is the motivation behind this? It’s honestly something someone should really look into and address. ☕

Why would Alternative ever shut down?
Honestly, it’s actually pretty fun when you take a little mathematical approach to all this! You know what they say—repetition is the mother of wisdom, even if what’s being repeated is total nonsense. If you just sit back and crunch the numbers by scanning through all these threads, you end up with this:
stormyrider28 has gone on record no less than 44 times claiming he "knows six people" who completely cured their cancer just by switching to Raw Food—and he even tossed in that one person supposedly kicked both Crohn’s and diabetes to the curb with it! Of course, this incredible medical miracle hasn't exactly made its way into any scientific journals or mainstream news, but hey, Gnu always insists he's preaching the "absolute truth." He just kept repeating it like a broken record until everyone else finally started poking fun at him!
Honestly, stormyrider28 and Elizabeth Jackson have gone on about sixty-eight different times now, preaching that meat is basically toxic, carcinogenic, and just straight-up poison for the human body. It’s getting a little old! When you actually ask them to back up those wild claims with some real substance, they completely freeze up. They always fall back on this vague "WHO research" line—which, let's be real, they clearly haven't actually read themselves. Instead, they just skim through flashy headlines from sites like People Magazine, USA Today, or various clickbait news portals and call it "science." And the funniest part? When you point out that it’s actually the processed additives and preservatives that do the damage, rather than the meat itself, they don't have a single clue how to respond. They just go silent!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone and posted twenty-six different times about how some little kid from a coastal town like Miami caught measles right after getting vaccinated. There’s absolutely zero follow-up or any official explanation regarding what actually happened, because apparently, we aren't allowed to provide the facts here—we just have to keep fueling this extreme anti-vax sentiment!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record twenty-seven different times claiming that you won't find a single raw vegan patient in an oncology ward. It’s a bold claim! But honestly, when it comes to explaining why people who follow a Raw Food lifestyle might choose to decline conventional medical treatment altogether... well, there just isn't an answer for that.
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record at least 23 times now, claiming that chemotherapy is basically a death sentence and calling it a poison that everyone should steer clear of. It’s wild! Even when you throw actual data at her—you know, those statistics comparing standard recovery rates to the success stories from Alternative Treatment—she just brushes it off. She refuses to acknowledge any of it, insisting that the numbers are nothing more than lies cooked up by certain special interest groups. Honestly, it's quite a lot to take in!
-Elizabeth Jackson and stormyrider28 have gone back and forth at least 22 times claiming that a combined diet of meat and veggies is the absolute gold standard for weight loss and they swear by its effectiveness. The funny thing is, neither of them actually eats like that—they spend more time trashing people's food choices than following their own advice!
-Elizabeth Jackson has posted 23 separate times about how parents who refuse vaccinations should be hit with $667 fines, claiming that once they pay up, their kids become "acceptable and no longer a threat," even though everyone has already pointed out that this claim is a total fabrication. She keeps pushing this agenda and attacking anyone who disagrees, despite the fact that she doesn't even have children herself.
-stormyrider28 has dropped the exact same post 14 times across various threads, trying to call out Elizabeth Jackson for spreading ridiculous posts that promote "detox" methods that are actually life-threatening. Once people pointed out the potential side effects, this whole little "Alternative Treatment" clique jumped in to spread that specific snippet (but conveniently leaving out the explanation!) across different boards just to act like some forum member was being bullied, rather than addressing the dangerous nonsense being passed off as "advice."
Seriously, how many troll posts, ad hominem attacks, off-topic tangents, and straight-up malicious lies have been written by just three or four users (it’s always the same group: Elizabeth Jackson, stormyrider28, Lorelei_S, and Arsen...)?

How many violations, breaches of the rules, and breaks of the Forum guidelines have happened here? And you, stormyrider28, seriously have the nerve to come back and try to troll this thread again with your lies and nastiness?

Regarding these "insults"—honestly, it's like looking at a pathological case—you've already for the fourth time posted cropped snippets of text without any of the preceding context. In these snippets, within nutrition threads, people are talking about losing weight by doing things like inserting tubes up the backside, eating carrion, consuming filth, suggesting cannibalism, mocking deceased relatives, making light of terminal illnesses and dead children, insulting their own uneducated parents, mocking other members and their families, leaking private info, and even letting out homophobic, xenophobic, and ultra-nationalist rants...

Does it really bother you when a forum member—who isn't even participating in the actual debate—gets addressed by some petty, insecure person (someone who didn't even address them directly, but instead targeted their possible clone) like this?

The topic is "NUTRITION," meaning anything related to food that aids healing or promotes health, just so people are informed.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with the topic, except for the pathological hatred you have toward me (which is obvious by which quotes you choose to pull). You're clearly obsessed with me because I won't let you post garbage without comment, especially since out of 900 posts, you don't have even 10 that are actually on-topic. In any thread, for that matter. Every single one of your posts—and anyone can verify this—is just ad hominem insults, trolling, or sucking up to a guy you claim you don't even know.
But look, stormyrider28, it's not my fault you're so incapable in life—unemployed, no family, no hobbies, no private life, just bitter and twisted. Since you've picked up all those ailments, you've turned to "Alternative Treatment" as a last resort. Those are your life choices, and as an adult, you need to learn to live with them.

Now, why don't you try to make a genuine mental effort and write a post that actually pertains to this topic? ☕

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:
stormyrider28 Asks:
Honestly, you really have to look at what the person who started this thread was actually expecting when they hit "post." To me, it just feels like they're incredibly on edge because things aren't going their way—specifically regarding trying to shut down certain threads or even entire sub-forums. They’re basically forcing an agenda and just badgering everyone here about it, spending entire days hovering over the Forum. It’s pretty obvious that nothing is actually going to change. If the Alternative side were allowed to moderate those specific few users, they’d be gone in a heartbeat, and we’d finally have some actual order around here!

Honestly, all these trolls (and everyone else who’s going to step up to take their place) are going to keep hanging around as long as we allow the bad actors—the people with actual malice, the clueless ones, and those completely lacking common sense—to run wild in these threads. They spend their time insulting others and spreading blatant lies or unverified nonsense that puts anyone trying to find answers—even if they're looking for an Alternative Treatment—in real danger. If people are searching for solutions to their problems, those answers actually need to make sense and, more importantly, NOT cause harm! But instead, you guys seem to be doing everything in your power to hurt people. Seriously, what is the motivation behind this? It’s honestly something someone should really look into and address. ☕

Why would Alternative ever shut down?
Honestly, it’s actually pretty fun when you take a little mathematical approach to all this! You know what they say—repetition is the mother of wisdom, even if what’s being repeated is total nonsense. If you just sit back and crunch the numbers by scanning through all these threads, you end up with this:
stormyrider28 has gone on record no less than 44 times claiming he "knows six people" who completely cured their cancer just by switching to Raw Food—and he even tossed in that one person supposedly kicked both Crohn’s and diabetes to the curb with it! Of course, this incredible medical miracle hasn't exactly made its way into any scientific journals or mainstream news, but hey, Gnu always insists he's preaching the "absolute truth." He just kept repeating it like a broken record until everyone else finally started poking fun at him!
Honestly, stormyrider28 and Elizabeth Jackson have gone on about sixty-eight different times now, preaching that meat is basically toxic, carcinogenic, and just straight-up poison for the human body. It’s getting a little old! When you actually ask them to back up those wild claims with some real substance, they completely freeze up. They always fall back on this vague "WHO research" line—which, let's be real, they clearly haven't actually read themselves. Instead, they just skim through flashy headlines from sites like People Magazine, USA Today, or various clickbait news portals and call it "science." And the funniest part? When you point out that it’s actually the processed additives and preservatives that do the damage, rather than the meat itself, they don't have a single clue how to respond. They just go silent!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone and posted twenty-six different times about how some little kid from a coastal town like Miami caught measles right after getting vaccinated. There’s absolutely zero follow-up or any official explanation regarding what actually happened, because apparently, we aren't allowed to provide the facts here—we just have to keep fueling this extreme anti-vax sentiment!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record twenty-seven different times claiming that you won't find a single raw vegan patient in an oncology ward. It’s a bold claim! But honestly, when it comes to explaining why people who follow a Raw Food lifestyle might choose to decline conventional medical treatment altogether... well, there just isn't an answer for that.
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record at least 23 times now, claiming that chemotherapy is basically a death sentence and calling it a poison that everyone should steer clear of. It’s wild! Even when you throw actual data at her—you know, those statistics comparing standard recovery rates to the success stories from Alternative Treatment—she just brushes it off. She refuses to acknowledge any of it, insisting that the numbers are nothing more than lies cooked up by certain special interest groups. Honestly, it's quite a lot to take in!
-Elizabeth Jackson and stormyrider28 have gone back and forth at least 22 times claiming that a combined diet of meat and veggies is the absolute gold standard for weight loss and they swear by its effectiveness. The funny thing is, neither of them actually eats like that—they spend more time trashing people's food choices than following their own advice!
-Elizabeth Jackson has posted 23 separate times about how parents who refuse vaccinations should be hit with $667 fines, claiming that once they pay up, their kids become "acceptable and no longer a threat," even though everyone has already pointed out that this claim is a total fabrication. She keeps pushing this agenda and attacking anyone who disagrees, despite the fact that she doesn't even have children herself.
-stormyrider28 has dropped the exact same post 14 times across various threads, trying to call out Elizabeth Jackson for spreading ridiculous posts that promote "detox" methods that are actually life-threatening. Once people pointed out the potential side effects, this whole little "Alternative Treatment" clique jumped in to spread that specific snippet (but conveniently leaving out the explanation!) across different boards just to act like some forum member was being bullied, rather than addressing the dangerous nonsense being passed off as "advice."
Seriously, how many troll posts, ad hominem attacks, off-topic tangents, and straight-up malicious lies have been written by just three or four users (it’s always the same group: Elizabeth Jackson, stormyrider28, Lorelei_S, and Arsen...)?

How many violations, breaches of the rules, and breaks of the Forum guidelines have happened here? And you, stormyrider28, seriously have the nerve to come back and try to troll this thread again with your lies and nastiness?

Regarding these "insults"—honestly, it's like looking at a pathological case—you've already for the fourth time posted cropped snippets of text without any of the preceding context. In these snippets, within nutrition threads, people are talking about losing weight by doing things like inserting tubes up the backside, eating carrion, consuming filth, suggesting cannibalism, mocking deceased relatives, making light of terminal illnesses and dead children, insulting their own uneducated parents, mocking other members and their families, leaking private info, and even letting out homophobic, xenophobic, and ultra-nationalist rants...

Does it really bother you when a forum member—who isn't even participating in the actual debate—gets addressed by some petty, insecure person (someone who didn't even address them directly, but instead targeted their possible clone) like this?

The topic is "NUTRITION," meaning anything related to food that aids healing or promotes health, just so people are informed.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with the topic, except for the pathological hatred you have toward me (which is obvious by which quotes you choose to pull). You're clearly obsessed with me because I won't let you post garbage without comment, especially since out of 900 posts, you don't have even 10 that are actually on-topic. In any thread, for that matter. Every single one of your posts—and anyone can verify this—is just ad hominem insults, trolling, or sucking up to a guy you claim you don't even know.
But look, stormyrider28, it's not my fault you're so incapable in life—unemployed, no family, no hobbies, no private life, just bitter and twisted. Since you've picked up all those ailments, you've turned to "Alternative Treatment" as a last resort. Those are your life choices, and as an adult, you need to learn to live with them.

Now, why don't you try to make a genuine mental effort and write a post that actually pertains to this topic? ☕

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:
stormyrider28 Asks:
Honestly, you really have to look at what the person who started this thread was actually expecting when they hit "post." To me, it just feels like they're incredibly on edge because things aren't going their way—specifically regarding trying to shut down certain threads or even entire sub-forums. They’re basically forcing an agenda and just badgering everyone here about it, spending entire days hovering over the Forum. It’s pretty obvious that nothing is actually going to change. If the Alternative side were allowed to moderate those specific few users, they’d be gone in a heartbeat, and we’d finally have some actual order around here!

Honestly, all these trolls (and everyone else who’s going to step up to take their place) are going to keep hanging around as long as we allow the bad actors—the people with actual malice, the clueless ones, and those completely lacking common sense—to run wild in these threads. They spend their time insulting others and spreading blatant lies or unverified nonsense that puts anyone trying to find answers—even if they're looking for an Alternative Treatment—in real danger. If people are searching for solutions to their problems, those answers actually need to make sense and, more importantly, NOT cause harm! But instead, you guys seem to be doing everything in your power to hurt people. Seriously, what is the motivation behind this? It’s honestly something someone should really look into and address. ☕

Why would Alternative ever shut down?
Honestly, it’s actually pretty fun when you take a little mathematical approach to all this! You know what they say—repetition is the mother of wisdom, even if what’s being repeated is total nonsense. If you just sit back and crunch the numbers by scanning through all these threads, you end up with this:
stormyrider28 has gone on record no less than 44 times claiming he "knows six people" who completely cured their cancer just by switching to Raw Food—and he even tossed in that one person supposedly kicked both Crohn’s and diabetes to the curb with it! Of course, this incredible medical miracle hasn't exactly made its way into any scientific journals or mainstream news, but hey, Gnu always insists he's preaching the "absolute truth." He just kept repeating it like a broken record until everyone else finally started poking fun at him!
Honestly, stormyrider28 and Elizabeth Jackson have gone on about sixty-eight different times now, preaching that meat is basically toxic, carcinogenic, and just straight-up poison for the human body. It’s getting a little old! When you actually ask them to back up those wild claims with some real substance, they completely freeze up. They always fall back on this vague "WHO research" line—which, let's be real, they clearly haven't actually read themselves. Instead, they just skim through flashy headlines from sites like People Magazine, USA Today, or various clickbait news portals and call it "science." And the funniest part? When you point out that it’s actually the processed additives and preservatives that do the damage, rather than the meat itself, they don't have a single clue how to respond. They just go silent!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone and posted twenty-six different times about how some little kid from a coastal town like Miami caught measles right after getting vaccinated. There’s absolutely zero follow-up or any official explanation regarding what actually happened, because apparently, we aren't allowed to provide the facts here—we just have to keep fueling this extreme anti-vax sentiment!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record twenty-seven different times claiming that you won't find a single raw vegan patient in an oncology ward. It’s a bold claim! But honestly, when it comes to explaining why people who follow a Raw Food lifestyle might choose to decline conventional medical treatment altogether... well, there just isn't an answer for that.
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record at least 23 times now, claiming that chemotherapy is basically a death sentence and calling it a poison that everyone should steer clear of. It’s wild! Even when you throw actual data at her—you know, those statistics comparing standard recovery rates to the success stories from Alternative Treatment—she just brushes it off. She refuses to acknowledge any of it, insisting that the numbers are nothing more than lies cooked up by certain special interest groups. Honestly, it's quite a lot to take in!
-Elizabeth Jackson and stormyrider28 have gone back and forth at least 22 times claiming that a combined diet of meat and veggies is the absolute gold standard for weight loss and they swear by its effectiveness. The funny thing is, neither of them actually eats like that—they spend more time trashing people's food choices than following their own advice!
-Elizabeth Jackson has posted 23 separate times about how parents who refuse vaccinations should be hit with $667 fines, claiming that once they pay up, their kids become "acceptable and no longer a threat," even though everyone has already pointed out that this claim is a total fabrication. She keeps pushing this agenda and attacking anyone who disagrees, despite the fact that she doesn't even have children herself.
-stormyrider28 has dropped the exact same post 14 times across various threads, trying to call out Elizabeth Jackson for spreading ridiculous posts that promote "detox" methods that are actually life-threatening. Once people pointed out the potential side effects, this whole little "Alternative Treatment" clique jumped in to spread that specific snippet (but conveniently leaving out the explanation!) across different boards just to act like some forum member was being bullied, rather than addressing the dangerous nonsense being passed off as "advice."
Seriously, how many troll posts, ad hominem attacks, off-topic tangents, and straight-up malicious lies have been written by just three or four users (it’s always the same group: Elizabeth Jackson, stormyrider28, Lorelei_S, and Arsen...)?

How many violations, breaches of the rules, and breaks of the Forum guidelines have happened here? And you, stormyrider28, seriously have the nerve to come back and try to troll this thread again with your lies and nastiness?

Regarding these "insults"—honestly, it's like looking at a pathological case—you've already for the fourth time posted cropped snippets of text without any of the preceding context. In these snippets, within nutrition threads, people are talking about losing weight by doing things like inserting tubes up the backside, eating carrion, consuming filth, suggesting cannibalism, mocking deceased relatives, making light of terminal illnesses and dead children, insulting their own uneducated parents, mocking other members and their families, leaking private info, and even letting out homophobic, xenophobic, and ultra-nationalist rants...

Does it really bother you when a forum member—who isn't even participating in the actual debate—gets addressed by some petty, insecure person (someone who didn't even address them directly, but instead targeted their possible clone) like this?

The topic is "NUTRITION," meaning anything related to food that aids healing or promotes health, just so people are informed.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with the topic, except for the pathological hatred you have toward me (which is obvious by which quotes you choose to pull). You're clearly obsessed with me because I won't let you post garbage without comment, especially since out of 900 posts, you don't have even 10 that are actually on-topic. In any thread, for that matter. Every single one of your posts—and anyone can verify this—is just ad hominem insults, trolling, or sucking up to a guy you claim you don't even know.
But look, stormyrider28, it's not my fault you're so incapable in life—unemployed, no family, no hobbies, no private life, just bitter and twisted. Since you've picked up all those ailments, you've turned to "Alternative Treatment" as a last resort. Those are your life choices, and as an adult, you need to learn to live with them.

Now, why don't you try to make a genuine mental effort and write a post that actually pertains to this topic? ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:
stormyrider28 Asks:
Honestly, you really have to look at what the person who started this thread was actually expecting when they hit "post." To me, it just feels like they're incredibly on edge because things aren't going their way—specifically regarding trying to shut down certain threads or even entire sub-forums. They’re basically forcing an agenda and just badgering everyone here about it, spending entire days hovering over the Forum. It’s pretty obvious that nothing is actually going to change. If the Alternative side were allowed to moderate those specific few users, they’d be gone in a heartbeat, and we’d finally have some actual order around here!

Honestly, all these trolls (and everyone else who’s going to step up to take their place) are going to keep hanging around as long as we allow the bad actors—the people with actual malice, the clueless ones, and those completely lacking common sense—to run wild in these threads. They spend their time insulting others and spreading blatant lies or unverified nonsense that puts anyone trying to find answers—even if they're looking for an Alternative Treatment—in real danger. If people are searching for solutions to their problems, those answers actually need to make sense and, more importantly, NOT cause harm! But instead, you guys seem to be doing everything in your power to hurt people. Seriously, what is the motivation behind this? It’s honestly something someone should really look into and address. ☕

Why would Alternative ever shut down?
Honestly, it’s actually pretty fun when you take a little mathematical approach to all this! You know what they say—repetition is the mother of wisdom, even if what’s being repeated is total nonsense. If you just sit back and crunch the numbers by scanning through all these threads, you end up with this:
stormyrider28 has gone on record no less than 44 times claiming he "knows six people" who completely cured their cancer just by switching to Raw Food—and he even tossed in that one person supposedly kicked both Crohn’s and diabetes to the curb with it! Of course, this incredible medical miracle hasn't exactly made its way into any scientific journals or mainstream news, but hey, Gnu always insists he's preaching the "absolute truth." He just kept repeating it like a broken record until everyone else finally started poking fun at him!
Honestly, stormyrider28 and Elizabeth Jackson have gone on about sixty-eight different times now, preaching that meat is basically toxic, carcinogenic, and just straight-up poison for the human body. It’s getting a little old! When you actually ask them to back up those wild claims with some real substance, they completely freeze up. They always fall back on this vague "WHO research" line—which, let's be real, they clearly haven't actually read themselves. Instead, they just skim through flashy headlines from sites like People Magazine, USA Today, or various clickbait news portals and call it "science." And the funniest part? When you point out that it’s actually the processed additives and preservatives that do the damage, rather than the meat itself, they don't have a single clue how to respond. They just go silent!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone and posted twenty-six different times about how some little kid from a coastal town like Miami caught measles right after getting vaccinated. There’s absolutely zero follow-up or any official explanation regarding what actually happened, because apparently, we aren't allowed to provide the facts here—we just have to keep fueling this extreme anti-vax sentiment!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record twenty-seven different times claiming that you won't find a single raw vegan patient in an oncology ward. It’s a bold claim! But honestly, when it comes to explaining why people who follow a Raw Food lifestyle might choose to decline conventional medical treatment altogether... well, there just isn't an answer for that.
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record at least 23 times now, claiming that chemotherapy is basically a death sentence and calling it a poison that everyone should steer clear of. It’s wild! Even when you throw actual data at her—you know, those statistics comparing standard recovery rates to the success stories from Alternative Treatment—she just brushes it off. She refuses to acknowledge any of it, insisting that the numbers are nothing more than lies cooked up by certain special interest groups. Honestly, it's quite a lot to take in!
-Elizabeth Jackson and stormyrider28 have gone back and forth at least 22 times claiming that a combined diet of meat and veggies is the absolute gold standard for weight loss and they swear by its effectiveness. The funny thing is, neither of them actually eats like that—they spend more time trashing people's food choices than following their own advice!
-Elizabeth Jackson has posted 23 separate times about how parents who refuse vaccinations should be hit with $667 fines, claiming that once they pay up, their kids become "acceptable and no longer a threat," even though everyone has already pointed out that this claim is a total fabrication. She keeps pushing this agenda and attacking anyone who disagrees, despite the fact that she doesn't even have children herself.
-stormyrider28 has dropped the exact same post 14 times across various threads, trying to call out Elizabeth Jackson for spreading ridiculous posts that promote "detox" methods that are actually life-threatening. Once people pointed out the potential side effects, this whole little "Alternative Treatment" clique jumped in to spread that specific snippet (but conveniently leaving out the explanation!) across different boards just to act like some forum member was being bullied, rather than addressing the dangerous nonsense being passed off as "advice."
Seriously, how many troll posts, ad hominem attacks, off-topic tangents, and straight-up malicious lies have been written by just three or four users (it’s always the same group: Elizabeth Jackson, stormyrider28, Lorelei_S, and Arsen...)?

How many violations, breaches of the rules, and breaks of the Forum guidelines have happened here? And you, stormyrider28, seriously have the nerve to come back and try to troll this thread again with your lies and nastiness?

Regarding these "insults"—honestly, it's like looking at a pathological case—you've already for the fourth time posted cropped snippets of text without any of the preceding context. In these snippets, within nutrition threads, people are talking about losing weight by doing things like inserting tubes up the backside, eating carrion, consuming filth, suggesting cannibalism, mocking deceased relatives, making light of terminal illnesses and dead children, insulting their own uneducated parents, mocking other members and their families, leaking private info, and even letting out homophobic, xenophobic, and ultra-nationalist rants...

Does it really bother you when a forum member—who isn't even participating in the actual debate—gets addressed by some petty, insecure person (someone who didn't even address them directly, but instead targeted their possible clone) like this?

The topic is "NUTRITION," meaning anything related to food that aids healing or promotes health, just so people are informed.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with the topic, except for the pathological hatred you have toward me (which is obvious by which quotes you choose to pull). You're clearly obsessed with me because I won't let you post garbage without comment, especially since out of 900 posts, you don't have even 10 that are actually on-topic. In any thread, for that matter. Every single one of your posts—and anyone can verify this—is just ad hominem insults, trolling, or sucking up to a guy you claim you don't even know.
But look, stormyrider28, it's not my fault you're so incapable in life—unemployed, no family, no hobbies, no private life, just bitter and twisted. Since you've picked up all those ailments, you've turned to "Alternative Treatment" as a last resort. Those are your life choices, and as an adult, you need to learn to live with them.

Now, why don't you try to make a genuine mental effort and write a post that actually pertains to this topic? ☕

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.
Sandra Kern37 Sandra Kern37 MemberOP
35 messages
joined Aug 2021
#33 ·
Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

This "member" has been hounding Monti through various threads for months now, and I already linked her insults on the previous page. It is perfectly clear who is actually prying into whose private life here. And she isn't the only one.

We can discuss Gnu’s constructive contributions more later tonight 🍿

As for your own sense of "constructiveness," we all saw how that played out during the discussion about permitted signatures. ☕

Whether or not this topic makes sense is none of your business. If the moderators decide it’s pointless, they are more than welcome to lock it down. If you don't like it, then stop posting in it.
Linda Moore51 Linda Moore51 Newcomer
8 messages
joined Mar 2017
#34 ·
I just want to point out a few blatant contradictions coming from Elizabeth Jackson, that quack, and her self-appointed guru persona.
I’ll start from the end, which is actually quite telling.
Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

Elizabeth Jackson, you quack and wannabe guru, should probably just lock this thread down before some pseudo-Alternative crowd starts running wild—honestly, maybe someone should even audit you here...

Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

Elizabeth Jackson, you quack and guru, your understanding of "alternative" and "Alternative Treatment" is completely flawed; frankly, it's ignorant and dangerous to the public.
You can't just tell people that eating ten pieces of Raw Food apple slices over several months will cure cancer. Sure, you can say it, as she so eloquently put it, but Elizabeth Jackson, that is fundamentally untrue. And linking to those nonsense conspiracy websites is just plain moronic.
Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

You are the one breaking the rules by posting links and spreading lies and idiocy that pose a genuine risk to human health.

Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

It's all very sweet how you defend your own ass, but "numerous examples of cures" is not the same thing as saying "I know six people who were cured of cancer because they ate Raw Food." That is just pure stupidity.
And that’s exactly what I expected from you and your little millennial crowd.

Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

Elizabeth Jackson, you absolute fraud and self-proclaimed guru—honestly, I’m trying to find a way to say this without being unnecessarily harsh, but there’s just no way around it: you’re lying through your teeth. You actually went ahead and put me on ignore just because I had the nerve to call you out and show you that the stuff you’re linking isn't even remotely true. It’s pathetic, really, how you keep peddling nothing but pure nonsense and blatant misinformation from those conspiracy websites as if they were gospel.
All of this went down while the moderators were busy babysitting the threads.
Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

Total lies, and honestly, they should have explained it a hell of a lot better than that.

Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

But honestly, from what I can gather, they aren't even sending out text messages to anyone yet. 😬

From what I can see and read from Elizabeth Jackson, our resident doctor and self-proclaimed guru seems a little on edge lately; I’m starting to think the cops finally showed up at her door.
To wrap things up, I really have to give a shout-out to Elizabeth Jackson. Honestly, watching her work and reading her posts is nothing short of a pure, unadulterated pleasure—she’s basically a total legend and a guru in her own right.
stormyrider28 stormyrider28 Member
17 messages
joined Dec 2018
#35 ·
Sandra Kern37 said:That "forum girl" is basically spinning fairy tales for toddlers at this point.

Honestly, what that woman thinks carries absolutely zero weight with me. And if you're wondering why, let me lay it out for you.

One day she drifted into the thread, playing this part where she was totally uninterested in any kind of drama, acting like she just wanted some friendly advice for a family member. But then, just to... She played the part of the neutral bystander perfectly. To everyone's shock, she started firing shots from both sides of the fence. She had been tearing apart Elizabeth Jackson’s methods, acting like they were completely beneath her, only to have this sudden, miraculous epiphany where she realizes his approach is actually pretty brilliant—so much so that her brother is planning to start following them himself.

So then it was... It looks like the hunt is officially on. Some of the users here—Brenda Gonzalez12, for instance—were basically treating people like punching bags, just relentlessly jumping down their throats.

Oh, please. Now suddenly this same "forum regular"—who supposedly couldn't care less about any kind of drama or conflict—has transformed herself into some kind of internet martyr and local hero overnight. Honestly, the rest of the story is as predictable as a rerun on basic cable.

And since I already know you’re going to jump down my throat with some predictable line like, "Oh, so you only came to Reddit to pick fights," I figured I'd just get ahead of the curve. Let me save us both the breath: I actually joined this community to read and learn about different dietary lifestyles—for instance, getting a handle on the whole raw food thing.

And do you have any idea, my dear friends, what actually awaited me in that thread—and honestly, on this entire sub—once I finally decided to dive in?

What a complete waste of time.

From the very first day I stepped foot in this place, it’s been nothing but insults, blatant lies, and straight-up slander.

The only kind of "wisdom" you can actually pick up in a place like that is stuff like this:
☕

Lleena on plant consciousness:

Here we go again... just straight up lying. That girl didn't say any of that on the Forum at all...
Sandra Kern37 said:That "forum girl" is basically spinning fairy tales for toddlers at this point.

Honestly, what that woman thinks carries absolutely zero weight with me. And if you're wondering why, let me lay it out for you.

One day she drifted into the thread, playing this part where she was totally uninterested in any kind of drama, acting like she just wanted some friendly advice for a family member. But then, just to... She played the part of the neutral bystander perfectly. To everyone's shock, she started firing shots from both sides of the fence. She had been tearing apart Elizabeth Jackson’s methods, acting like they were completely beneath her, only to have this sudden, miraculous epiphany where she realizes his approach is actually pretty brilliant—so much so that her brother is planning to start following them himself.

So then it was... It looks like the hunt is officially on. Some of the users here—Brenda Gonzalez12, for instance—were basically treating people like punching bags, just relentlessly jumping down their throats.

Oh, please. Now suddenly this same "forum regular"—who supposedly couldn't care less about any kind of drama or conflict—has transformed herself into some kind of internet martyr and local hero overnight. Honestly, the rest of the story is as predictable as a rerun on basic cable.

And since I already know you’re going to jump down my throat with some predictable line like, "Oh, so you only came to Reddit to pick fights," I figured I'd just get ahead of the curve. Let me save us both the breath: I actually joined this community to read and learn about different dietary lifestyles—for instance, getting a handle on the whole raw food thing.

And do you have any idea, my dear friends, what actually awaited me in that thread—and honestly, on this entire sub—once I finally decided to dive in?

What a complete waste of time.

From the very first day I stepped foot in this place, it’s been nothing but insults, blatant lies, and straight-up slander.

The only kind of "wisdom" you can actually pick up in a place like that is stuff like this:
☕

Lleena on plant consciousness:

You're lying again. Honestly... she wasn't out there harassing anyone. She only did what she did because Brenda Gonzalez12 wouldn't leave her alone. He was relentlessly attacking her, calling her a clone and basically trying to drive her off the platform. He totally twisted everything she said, so she finally just had enough and told him she’s done communicating with him...

Sandra Kern37 said:That "forum girl" is basically spinning fairy tales for toddlers at this point.

Honestly, what that woman thinks carries absolutely zero weight with me. And if you're wondering why, let me lay it out for you.

One day she drifted into the thread, playing this part where she was totally uninterested in any kind of drama, acting like she just wanted some friendly advice for a family member. But then, just to... She played the part of the neutral bystander perfectly. To everyone's shock, she started firing shots from both sides of the fence. She had been tearing apart Elizabeth Jackson’s methods, acting like they were completely beneath her, only to have this sudden, miraculous epiphany where she realizes his approach is actually pretty brilliant—so much so that her brother is planning to start following them himself.

So then it was... It looks like the hunt is officially on. Some of the users here—Brenda Gonzalez12, for instance—were basically treating people like punching bags, just relentlessly jumping down their throats.

Oh, please. Now suddenly this same "forum regular"—who supposedly couldn't care less about any kind of drama or conflict—has transformed herself into some kind of internet martyr and local hero overnight. Honestly, the rest of the story is as predictable as a rerun on basic cable.

And since I already know you’re going to jump down my throat with some predictable line like, "Oh, so you only came to Reddit to pick fights," I figured I'd just get ahead of the curve. Let me save us both the breath: I actually joined this community to read and learn about different dietary lifestyles—for instance, getting a handle on the whole raw food thing.

And do you have any idea, my dear friends, what actually awaited me in that thread—and honestly, on this entire sub—once I finally decided to dive in?

What a complete waste of time.

From the very first day I stepped foot in this place, it’s been nothing but insults, blatant lies, and straight-up slander.

The only kind of "wisdom" you can actually pick up in a place like that is stuff like this:
☕

Lleena on plant consciousness:

I haven't seen any sign of that anywhere, seriously... don't make me laugh. Can you actually point to one of your own posts where it's obvious you're even interested in Raw Food?...

Elizabeth Jackson, I’m totally with you—this whole thread is pretty much pointless. I get exactly why they even opened it in the first place, but hey, I made a promise to keep dropping these insults just to show the moderators what’s actually going down over at Alternative... you know, how it's basically just three or four identical profiles running the whole show. So, here we go... some more nonsense from Biljka112...
Biljka112 said:Gnu, you might want to change that username ASAP... just a thought... Elizabeth Jackson's hemorrhoids...

Biljka112 said:Personally, I'm pretty convinced... Honestly, you're just a total, grade-A, certified idiot... Because you're still rambling on about food combinations...

Biljka112 said:Elizabeth Jackson, I know you're just being a total goofball... But look, you’ve gotta try to see where they're coming from... they're basically just cutting back on calories...

Biljka112 said:And what exactly would someone like you know about this... anyway...

Biljka112 said:Elizabeth Jackson, You’re acting like a total idiot... honestly....

Biljka112 said:I gotta say, you’re being seriously ridiculous with those kinds of brainless examples...

Biljka112 said:Gnu, you're not even that one... total jerk... Elizabeth Jackson, you really shouldn't be out here giving advice when you clearly don't know what you're talking about...

Biljka112 said:Now you and that total jerk Elizabeth Jackson are out here rambling about some nonsense food combining theory

Hey moderators, is it actually okay to talk to people like this? I'll be posting more examples later...
Sandra Kern37 Sandra Kern37 MemberOP
35 messages
joined Aug 2021
#36 ·
Gnu, you still haven't weighed in on those insults directed at Leena and Lorelei? ☕

Or is Elizabeth Jackson just keeping you from making an official statement? 😁
Sandra Kern37 Sandra Kern37 MemberOP
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joined Aug 2021
#37 ·
stormyrider28 said:Here we go again... just straight up lying. That girl didn't say any of that on the Forum at all...

You're lying again. Honestly... she wasn't out there harassing anyone. She only did what she did because Brenda Gonzalez12 wouldn't leave her alone. He was relentlessly attacking her, calling her a clone and basically trying to drive her off the platform. He totally twisted everything she said, so she finally just had enough and told him she’s done communicating with him...

I haven't seen any sign of that anywhere, seriously... don't make me laugh. Can you actually point to one of your own posts where it's obvious you're even interested in Raw Food?...

Elizabeth Jackson, I’m totally with you—this whole thread is pretty much pointless. I get exactly why they even opened it in the first place, but hey, I made a promise to keep dropping these insults just to show the moderators what’s actually going down over at Alternative... you know, how it's basically just three or four identical profiles running the whole show. So, here we go... some more nonsense from Biljka112...

Hey moderators, is it actually okay to talk to people like this? I'll be posting more examples later...

Exactly, I totally agree—of course you haven't seen those posts of mine...

Maybe it’s because you’ve been staring too hard at the Sun (which, as we all know, is one of Elizabeth Jackson's signature therapies) that you can't see anything else?

Or maybe it's because the whole topic is buried under all the digging into people's private lives being done by you, Lorelei, and the rest of the crew, making it impossible to read anything meaningful?☕
Sandra Kern37 Sandra Kern37 MemberOP
35 messages
joined Aug 2021
#38 ·
So, when are you actually going to link those insults directed at me, Gnu? It’s been nearly three days now, and you haven't lifted a finger to address the situation. 😁

You seem to have no problem linking everything else under the sun, yet somehow my own insults always get skipped over. ☕
stormyrider28 stormyrider28 Member
17 messages
joined Dec 2018
#39 ·
With this kind of writing style, you're really just proving what we already know...
Sandra Kern37 Sandra Kern37 MemberOP
35 messages
joined Aug 2021
#40 ·
stormyrider28 said:With this kind of writing style, you're really just proving what we already know...

And what exactly is it that "we" supposedly know?

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