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neonhound19 neonhound19 Newcomer
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#21 ·
Flying the flag at home while keeping their hands deep in the federal treasury—those are the biggest fake patriots out there.

Taxes are sky-high specifically because of those people dodging them. If you actually told them $0.33 what they’re paying every single month, they’d be obsessing over every cent just to see if they could squeeze a little back, even if they can't grab the whole thing.
Morgan Carter Morgan Carter Member
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joined Feb 2013
#22 ·
Taxation is inherently flawed. Consider a family of five who owns two apartments: one is 60 square meters and the other is 40. That brings them to a total of 100. Under these rules, they will be hit with a heavy tax rate on that 40-square-meter unit, even though it sits empty. Meanwhile, an individual living alone in a 1,000-square-meter mansion pays essentially the same as they always have. Where is the justice in that? Furthermore, what happens when people want to rent out their space at fair market prices but find there is no demand? Perhaps the most telling statement came from Linić: he suggested that those who saved money should now be the ones to pay. In essence, those who practiced discipline to acquire property are being penalized, while those who spent their lives lounging in Dubai will fare perfectly fine because they likely own one property—or none at all—and simply do not care.
Mark Martin10 Mark Martin10 Member
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#23 ·
Maria Booth96 said:I’ll never wrap my head around how you can claim to "love" your country while simultaneously dodging taxes. 🤷
It’s just pure hypocrisy to me.

Someone on a forum once wrote in their bio that a person's true character is defined by what they do when nobody is watching. It makes me wonder: how many Americans would actually step up if paying taxes were voluntary? You could lay it all out for people—the way we all think we know everything—and say: "Look, pay your share so we can actually build a functioning society and have a real country to live in. If you don't, our seniors will end up destitute on the streets and we'll be leaving kids to fend for themselves in alleyways."

Seriously, though, how many Americans would actually stay honest?🤷

Wanting to pay taxes isn't some grand display of patriotism; it's just a mandate forced on us by a government that doesn't always represent our home. Let’s be real—the people running this country, regardless of their political party, aren't exactly anyone's idea of heroes, and they sure as hell aren't synonymous with my homeland. That's one thing. Another thing? This massive pile of real estate didn't just appear because of the state, and it won't stay here just because of them. Who actually has the right to tax property that is the literal foundation of an American's existence? A home is sacred. It's mine, and it belongs to no one else. Thirdly, in America, taxes mostly just feed a bloated bureaucratic machine—thousands of parasites who collect a paycheck every month just to justify their existence. There's more to it, but I don't feel like typing a novel. At any given moment, this government could spiral into a total economic disaster, and they’d still try to grab a piece of my sanctuary. Not happening.
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 RegularOP
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joined Apr 2017
#24 ·
Morgan Carter said:Taxation is inherently flawed. Consider a family of five who owns two apartments: one is 60 square meters and the other is 40. That brings them to a total of 100. Under these rules, they will be hit with a heavy tax rate on that 40-square-meter unit, even though it sits empty. Meanwhile, an individual living alone in a 1,000-square-meter mansion pays essentially the same as they always have. Where is the justice in that? Furthermore, what happens when people want to rent out their space at fair market prices but find there is no demand? Perhaps the most telling statement came from Linić: he suggested that those who saved money should now be the ones to pay. In essence, those who practiced discipline to acquire property are being penalized, while those who spent their lives lounging in Dubai will fare perfectly fine because they likely own one property—or none at all—and simply do not care.

Don't even mention Dubai. Every time it comes up, I get this uncontrollable urge to sing this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtoVeRDGVJ4

Which ties directly into this:

If the late Dr. Pirš from the University of California, San Diego were to rise from his grave right now, he’d probably head straight for the most successful guy in town:

That wealthiest guy in town happened to be a student in my graduating class, someone I used to hang out with quite often. I knew him well. He wasn't exactly dim-witted, but God, he was an absolute nuisance. Just a constant, nagging presence—annoying as a bout of ulcerative colitis. He only stuck around me because I was the only person who would actually tell him to shut up.
The aforementioned Dr. Pirš taught us material testing technology. We had a written exam that a buddy of mine failed miserably—got a 2. And then, right there in the lecture hall in front of everyone, while the professor was busy entering grades into the system, this guy announces he wants to take an oral exam to try and score higher than a 2.
The professor looked at the grades, confused as to why he'd even bother asking. He knew the kid well, though, since he'd spent half the lectures undermining them with tedious questions.
But our friend Jozo was stubborn; he insisted on the oral exam. So, Prof. Pirš went off on him—calling him arrogant, disrespectful, accusing him of trying to imitate Einstein... and so on and so forth. Any normal student would have been mortified, covering their ears and hiding under their desk.
But not Jozo. This guy took it stoically, stood his ground, and then proceeded to answer for a better grade. In the end, he stoically failed the exam anyway.
It was embarrassing, really—both for the professor and for good old Jozo.
Later on, Jozo served as a reserve officer in the US Army and became a prominent member of the Communist Party starting at age 18. When the conflict moved into Canada, he switched over to the US Army side and built a career there through fuel smuggling. See, before the war, he was running a gas station in Doboj.
After the war ended, he moved back to the city where he studied and became the wealthiest guy in town.
We haven't had any contact since graduation. I didn't even recognize him in the photo; he's easily 90 pounds heavier than he was in college. You can tell he's been enjoying plenty of lamb and prosciutto lately.

COMMENT on this page:
On 09.17.2012 at 1:22 PM, LeBron James wrote:
A shepherd stays a shepherd, even if he has a billion dollars!
I spoke with the guy—absolute disaster. His articulation and the way he gesticulates is just terrible
!


Because, if you recall, this gentleman was actually out in Dubai alongside Linić:
Linić in Dubai with Kalem—the same guy who owes the state millions

Anyway, regarding this individual from Rijeka—who happens to run dozens of gas stations, by the way, and a close friend of mine works there too—he was visiting Rijeka a few months back. He decided to take a little detour to check out Kalem Jose’s place. When he finally saw the estate, all he could do was mutter, "Good grief, that fountain in the courtyard alone is worth more than my entire house."
How much tax does Kalem even pay on a property like that? Practically nothing. He just pays the local utility fees, which are calculated based on square footage rather than the actual market value of the home. And we're talking about a house easily worth 3 or 4 million euros. 😢😲😁
Morgan Carter Morgan Carter Member
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#25 ·
Benjamin Taylor6 said:Don't even mention Dubai. Every time it comes up, I get this uncontrollable urge to sing this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtoVeRDGVJ4

Which ties directly into this:

If the late Dr. Pirš from the University of California, San Diego were to rise from his grave right now, he’d probably head straight for the most successful guy in town:

That wealthiest guy in town happened to be a student in my graduating class, someone I used to hang out with quite often. I knew him well. He wasn't exactly dim-witted, but God, he was an absolute nuisance. Just a constant, nagging presence—annoying as a bout of ulcerative colitis. He only stuck around me because I was the only person who would actually tell him to shut up.
The aforementioned Dr. Pirš taught us material testing technology. We had a written exam that a buddy of mine failed miserably—got a 2. And then, right there in the lecture hall in front of everyone, while the professor was busy entering grades into the system, this guy announces he wants to take an oral exam to try and score higher than a 2.
The professor looked at the grades, confused as to why he'd even bother asking. He knew the kid well, though, since he'd spent half the lectures undermining them with tedious questions.
But our friend Jozo was stubborn; he insisted on the oral exam. So, Prof. Pirš went off on him—calling him arrogant, disrespectful, accusing him of trying to imitate Einstein... and so on and so forth. Any normal student would have been mortified, covering their ears and hiding under their desk.
But not Jozo. This guy took it stoically, stood his ground, and then proceeded to answer for a better grade. In the end, he stoically failed the exam anyway.
It was embarrassing, really—both for the professor and for good old Jozo.
Later on, Jozo served as a reserve officer in the US Army and became a prominent member of the Communist Party starting at age 18. When the conflict moved into Canada, he switched over to the US Army side and built a career there through fuel smuggling. See, before the war, he was running a gas station in Doboj.
After the war ended, he moved back to the city where he studied and became the wealthiest guy in town.
We haven't had any contact since graduation. I didn't even recognize him in the photo; he's easily 90 pounds heavier than he was in college. You can tell he's been enjoying plenty of lamb and prosciutto lately.

COMMENT on this page:
On 09.17.2012 at 1:22 PM, LeBron James wrote:
A shepherd stays a shepherd, even if he has a billion dollars!
I spoke with the guy—absolute disaster. His articulation and the way he gesticulates is just terrible
!


Because, if you recall, this gentleman was actually out in Dubai alongside Linić:
Linić in Dubai with Kalem—the same guy who owes the state millions

Anyway, regarding this individual from Rijeka—who happens to run dozens of gas stations, by the way, and a close friend of mine works there too—he was visiting Rijeka a few months back. He decided to take a little detour to check out Kalem Jose’s place. When he finally saw the estate, all he could do was mutter, "Good grief, that fountain in the courtyard alone is worth more than my entire house."
How much tax does Kalem even pay on a property like that? Practically nothing. He just pays the local utility fees, which are calculated based on square footage rather than the actual market value of the home. And we're talking about a house easily worth 3 or 4 million euros. 😢😲😁

So, this is what they call tax justice? It’s absurd. Now, some poor soul who spent years scrimping and saving just to leave a little something behind for their kids—someone who never even set foot in Dubai or wasted money on luxuries—is being hit with property taxes on a tiny 40-square-meter second apartment. We're talking about families living in cramped conditions, five people squeezed into sixty square meters, yet they're the ones targeted. Meanwhile, someone sitting on a single estate worth ten million dollars or a massive thousand-square-meter mansion pays a pittance, practically nothing more than a standard utility fee. And then Linić has the audacity to lecture them, acting as if they should have just squandered everything on vacations and nonsense. What a disgrace.
Susan Price30 Susan Price30 Regular
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joined Feb 2017
#26 ·
Benjamin Taylor6 said:Husbands won't be able to register at the main house while the wife stays at the vacation home:

Robert Rubin stated today in Indianapolis that utility fees are essentially a relic of the old socialist era—which, let's face it, we've moved past—and therefore they should be replaced by a property tax. His goal? To make the American tax system actually transparent so that any entrepreneur out there has a clear, predictable roadmap of what they're dealing with.

Rubin believes this new legislation will effectively shut down fraud attempts. "We can't have situations where a husband is registered at the primary residence while his wife is listed at a seasonal getaway," he noted. Apparently, since we started using Social Security numbers to track everyone, the computer systems have become incredibly pedantic—they flag every single inconsistency. Now, the government knows exactly how much water you use, your electricity consumption, your salary, and where you’re officially living... If a couple wants to live apart, fine, that's their business, but if it's just a paper sham to dodge taxes, they'll be hit with massive fines. According to The New York Times, Rubin insists this isn't a tax hike, just a structural swap.

He expressed confidence that The Cabinet will have the final draft of the property tax bill ready by March, with the congressional debates expected to kick off in April.


On paper, sure, this looks great for the treasury because the state gets to collect more revenue. But honestly? I know several couples who REALLY do live separately despite being married.
For instance, my neighbor—his husband inherited a cottage on the coast and makes his living fishing, while his wife inherited an apartment in the city and works as a nurse. They aren't playing games; they just live different lives.

Overtaxing wealthy people (both when it's necessary and when it isn't) is a mistake.

Because what those people will do is... wow... move or invest their money abroad, leaving behind an even poorer country with zero perspective for anyone.

This is totally socialist—or in my opinion, "Bolshevik"—thinking. In wealthy nations, there's a limit to this. It’s understood that the wealthier members of society drive the economy; the entire nation's stability depends directly on them.

That is why more developed parts of Europe create the most favorable conditions possible to attract foreign (or domestic) investors. They logically want to pull them in, whereas in other places, they make it difficult through various means—like incredibly complicated and often unnecessary bureaucracy, or simply the mentality of "petty bureaucrats" lacking any broader vision.

And I assume that's why certain nations enjoy prosperity and well-being, while others end up poor or on the brink of bankruptcy and financial ruin.

For example, I know people who own villas or hotels in Pula and throughout Istra, but everything became so complicated to run and maintain that they sold everything and moved their business to the Caribbean Islands. The Caribbean! It's a top-tier global destination, and it's actually cheaper and better for business than America. Maybe it really is time to rethink things; if these petty bureaucrats finish off the tourism industry too, what will actually be left? That's the question.
Susan Price30 Susan Price30 Regular
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joined Feb 2017
#27 ·
neonhound19 said:Flying the flag at home while keeping their hands deep in the federal treasury—those are the biggest fake patriots out there.

Taxes are sky-high specifically because of those people dodging them. If you actually told them $0.33 what they’re paying every single month, they’d be obsessing over every cent just to see if they could squeeze a little back, even if they can't grab the whole thing.

No, I mean because of a certain mindset. Even gambling is heavily taxed for people who win money in international lotteries. It's literally unprecedented.

Back then, they took from the wealthy—back when "Bolshevik proletarians" were literally looting and forcibly seizing private property—and they are still grabbing it now. There isn't much difference; perhaps just a few shades of nuance...
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 RegularOP
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#28 ·
The whole thing boils down to this: bureaucracy in America has just ballooned out of control lately. And since the federal budget is perpetually running dry, the government’s go-to move is always to dream up some new, creative way to squeeze us for taxes.
The reality is pretty grim—it's the working class that ends up footing the bill, mostly because they don't have the legal machinery required to outmaneuver the state while staying within the lines of the law. Meanwhile, those sitting on mountains of cash? They have the high-priced lawyers to make sure they never pay a dime more than necessary. If things keep spiraling this way, the only logical move is to pack up and get out of the country—and take all that capital right along with you!
Susan Price30 Susan Price30 Regular
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#29 ·
Benjamin Taylor6 said:The whole thing boils down to this: bureaucracy in America has just ballooned out of control lately. And since the federal budget is perpetually running dry, the government’s go-to move is always to dream up some new, creative way to squeeze us for taxes.
The reality is pretty grim—it's the working class that ends up footing the bill, mostly because they don't have the legal machinery required to outmaneuver the state while staying within the lines of the law. Meanwhile, those sitting on mountains of cash? They have the high-priced lawyers to make sure they never pay a dime more than necessary. If things keep spiraling this way, the only logical move is to pack up and get out of the country—and take all that capital right along with you!

😁 It’s always been this way, hasn't it? Ever since that former leader—what was his name?—who deserted the country and his own people, fleeing with stolen national assets.
Afterward, he spent years living in one of the most expensive hotels in London (one of the priciest in the world) with his family.🤦

It honestly surprises me that the man is even still alive, let alone not sitting in a prison cell... but as for those who leave with their capital, well, that's just fine, isn't it? After all, they haven't exactly done anything wrong.
Jesse Cook4 Jesse Cook4 Member
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joined Oct 2010
#30 ·
Tax collection is a nightmare because people always find ways to fudge their residency status. Honestly, we should just shift the entire tax burden from income to property—you can't exactly hide a house. Live wherever you want, fine, but deal with it. Besides, seeing folks who own massive estates but claim zero income is such a weird, uniquely American phenomenon... and frankly, it makes no sense.
Morgan Carter Morgan Carter Member
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joined Feb 2013
#31 ·
Jesse Cook4 said:Tax collection is a nightmare because people always find ways to fudge their residency status. Honestly, we should just shift the entire tax burden from income to property—you can't exactly hide a house. Live wherever you want, fine, but deal with it. Besides, seeing folks who own massive estates but claim zero income is such a weird, uniquely American phenomenon... and frankly, it makes no sense.

It is illogical for the wealthy to pay less than those with fewer resources. However, this current tax structure will likely result in the less affluent bearing a heavier burden. As I have previously stated, taxation should be based on square footage or total property value. For instance, if a family consists of five members, perhaps they should be exempt up to 1,500 square feet, with a progressive tax applied to everything exceeding that threshold. Additionally, there ought to be a mandatory registry for all properties being sold or rented. Without such oversight, we risk creating an artificial inflation in the housing market where owners find themselves unable to attract tenants or buyers. What recourse would they have? It would be far more logical to maintain a tax registry where landlords and sellers must register their listings. If a property is being rented at a reasonable, fair-market rate and remains vacant, then perhaps a tax should not be applied.
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 RegularOP
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joined Apr 2017
#32 ·
Morgan Carter said:It is illogical for the wealthy to pay less than those with fewer resources. However, this current tax structure will likely result in the less affluent bearing a heavier burden. As I have previously stated, taxation should be based on square footage or total property value. For instance, if a family consists of five members, perhaps they should be exempt up to 1,500 square feet, with a progressive tax applied to everything exceeding that threshold. Additionally, there ought to be a mandatory registry for all properties being sold or rented. Without such oversight, we risk creating an artificial inflation in the housing market where owners find themselves unable to attract tenants or buyers. What recourse would they have? It would be far more logical to maintain a tax registry where landlords and sellers must register their listings. If a property is being rented at a reasonable, fair-market rate and remains vacant, then perhaps a tax should not be applied.

But what even qualifies as "paying more"? Honestly, people should be taxed on their income, not their accumulated wealth. It’s absurd to tax someone for owning a house but not for owning a multi-million dollar painting. The problem is that for the working class, the tax comes straight out of their paycheck or pension—whereas the tax for the rich *should* come from their profits. But "profit" is such a slippery, questionable category, isn't it? It all depends on how clever the accountant is. Take my company, for example—we technically show zero profit because the owner has this separate sister company out there that secures all the contracts and then subcontracts the actual work to us. All the actual cream gets skimmed off by that outside firm, which is basically just a tiny office run by the boss's son and two secretaries!! And let’s be real, the money ends up flowing through offshore tax havens anyway, so the government doesn't see a dime!
Jonathan Fisher78 Jonathan Fisher78 Member
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joined Mar 2012
#33 ·
Morgan Carter said:It is illogical for the wealthy to pay less than those with fewer resources. However, this current tax structure will likely result in the less affluent bearing a heavier burden. As I have previously stated, taxation should be based on square footage or total property value. For instance, if a family consists of five members, perhaps they should be exempt up to 1,500 square feet, with a progressive tax applied to everything exceeding that threshold. Additionally, there ought to be a mandatory registry for all properties being sold or rented. Without such oversight, we risk creating an artificial inflation in the housing market where owners find themselves unable to attract tenants or buyers. What recourse would they have? It would be far more logical to maintain a tax registry where landlords and sellers must register their listings. If a property is being rented at a reasonable, fair-market rate and remains vacant, then perhaps a tax should not be applied.

I suppose that’s how things would actually work given our situation here in America. Why?

The average American family is getting poorer every single year, and they're basically just squeezing everything together to try and hold onto what little they have left so they don't go totally broke. They're selling off gold, old family heirlooms that aren't even useful anymore, weekend cabins, or apartments they inherited or bought for their grandkids... I mean, what comes next?
Like I was saying, families are being forced into tiny apartments that aren't even big enough for them (honestly, the Department of Social Services should probably be warning The Government about this, rather than waiting until it's too late and then taking kids away from their families), all because of jobs, schools, utility bills, and stuff like that... they're just barely scraping by.

The average American family is just barely getting by.

Sure, they're given the option to sell off property—usually for peanuts—just so they can dive headfirst into loans and debt to try and start a business. And the sharks are just circling, waiting. 😁

P.S.
We wandered a bit off-topic there, so let's maybe ease back toward the main point. ☕
Michelle White36 Michelle White36 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2010
#34 ·
I wonder if the people who've been cheating on shipping rates this whole time are actually gonna get away with it...
Grace Anderson3 Grace Anderson3 Member
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joined May 2011
#35 ·
The word 'fraud' really jumps out at me in this whole article. How is having a different residential address somehow a bigger scam than people collecting welfare checks while sitting on a mountain of wealth? 🙄

They actually called the luxury tax "unjustified". Look, most regular folks aren't exactly out here buying gold furniture or diamond watches; if we have extra cash, we're putting it into real estate—using money we've already been taxed on! All I can say is "Unfortunately, we own a house, and we wanted to pass it down to our kids, but apparently, it was just waiting to be snatched by the government’s coffers..." If this isn't a direct hit on the middle class, I don't know what is. 👎
Jonathan Fisher78 Jonathan Fisher78 Member
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joined Mar 2012
#36 ·
Michelle White36 said:I wonder if the people who've been cheating on shipping rates this whole time are actually gonna get away with it...

The Rojsov formula is basically... x + y + (not jamijo) - @ = jamijo is a jerk/DM/kn/ €
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 RegularOP
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joined Apr 2017
#37 ·
Michelle White36 said:I wonder if the people who've been cheating on shipping rates this whole time are actually gonna get away with it...

Well, that really boils down to the "WILL OF THE BOSS"!!!😲😁

See, with private companies, it doesn't work quite like that because the owner can just decide—by executive decree, basically—exactly what they recognize as legitimate travel expenses. If you're unhappy about it, your only recourse is to go complain to the board at the local water utility😁
In the firm I used to work for, this kind of thing was standard operating procedure: the director would size up the situation, then pull the office manager aside to ask if a worker like Ivo Ivović actually lives out in the sticks or if he's really staying in his dad's condo downtown.
If the office manager tells him, "Hey, I heard through the grapevine that he's actually living in his father's apartment, not out in the suburbs," then that employee is going to lose his rural transit stipend. He'll just get enough to cover his bus fare within the city limits.

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