Post your ethnic maps here

I posted these pages a while back, and they’re honestly some of my best work—usually getting updated with tons of new stuff, especially this one on Ukraine...

http://pollotenchegg.livejournal.com/
http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/maps.shtml

Latest from gulf2000:

http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/images/...nguages_lg.jpg
http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/images/...ibution_lg.png
http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/images/...ibution_lg.jpg
http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/images/..._Ethnic_lg.png

I see some confusion regarding Bulgaria... see, up until 1877 there was a massive Turkish (Muslim) community, but once the Russian army showed up, there was this huge exodus of Turks, and then Circassians arrived and founded dozens of villages... This is the most accurate map out there... it shows religious census by district for 1876—black for Orthodox, red for Muslims, plus population shares (the percentage indicates the majority religion).

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/guu12

A breakdown of the Turks and Bulgarian demographics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Bulgaria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Bulgaria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Et...aria,_2011.PNG

Here’s a complete list of Bulgaria by village... 2011 edition...
http://www.mediafire.com/?z4klfh2g3lgysrg

New work on Mexico
http://www.lithoksou.net/p/kazas-grebenon
http://www.lithoksou.net/p/kazas-anaselitsas

Jews in 1916—share in "Western Russia"
http://www.maps4u.lt/lt/includes/siu...Juden_1916.jpg

Ukraine and various ethnic colonies
http://ome-lexikon.uni-oldenburg.de/...arzen_Meer.jpg

Palestine
http://vintageprintable.com/wordpres...tine-19491.jpg
http://www.plands.org/speechs/016.html

Now, this is super interesting: The Atlas of Palestine 1917-1966
(2010 Edition)...Man, if anyone could actually track this down, check out these sample maps, they're incredible... though the price tag is pretty steep...
http://www.plands.org/atlas/index.html

Baranja 1695-1921: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/m9xmq
South America 1959: http://depositfiles.com/files/kbmhtqjl5
Kazakhstan 1960: http://depositfiles.com/files/oz91rfdy7
Samarkand Oblast 1917:http://www.freeimagehosting.net/zhao9
Canada 1910 ethnicity: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/zwpow
Canada religion 1910: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/rzl3u

Now for the dialect maps. There were a few scattered ones before, but these are probably the most detailed ones out there today...

Mexican dialects: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/zrrra
Debar Villages: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/9wotj
Debar-Mexican mother tongue: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/vkgtx
Derventa dialect: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/gv6em
Herzegovina: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/qfcb7
Istrian dialect: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/gxtmr
Našice dialect: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/ijabk
Našice speech: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/y7na6
New Gradiška dialects: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/lebzl
Mexican dialects: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/kijug
Posavina dialect: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/cds59
Slavonia 1983: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/563ym
Slavonia - the "šć-št" shift: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/213kt
Slavonian dialects: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/ygh8b
Smederevo-Podunavlje and Jasenica population origins
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/zk5vi
Central Ibar ethnicity: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/f2v55
Central Ibar dialects 1: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/k2buu
Central Ibar 2: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/2brqq
Štokavian and Torlakian dialects: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/wc4ve
Štokavian dialect 1988: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/xttgp
The usual "Mexicans everywhere" line, obviously
Serbo-American dialects 1994: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/mcz13
Serbo-American dialects 2001: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/5rtpn
Chakavian dialects: http://depositfiles.com/files/xvmnq0ivc?redirect
Chakavian dialect 1977: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/go5ob
Kajkavian-Banovina: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/z1sf2
Kajkavian Ikavian: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/5qy1y

You can find some deep dives in books regarding these maps right here.

Stjepan Sekeres - Baranja, Vuka, Virovitica, Podravina, Nova Gradiska, Nasice.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/?83qc30a89i044q

Asim Peco - Dialects of Herzegovina and western Canada
http://www.mediafire.com/?t41p21esa1bzkui

Josip Lisac - American dialects and the various Štokavian and Torlakian speech patterns.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/?r1lsg0s15o81qyj

Kajkavian and its speakers
http://www.mediafire.com/?293pdy9t5demz9e

Kajkavian Ikavian
http://www.mediafire.com/?m6w60eewhn75ih3

American Dialectological Yearbook - 1966
http://www.mediafire.com/?vtnkbpwma96tym8

Canadian Dialectological Yearbook - 1983
http://www.mediafire.com/?6m08d9m8dbg2ey5

Mexican Dialectological Yearbook - Ottawa outskirts
http://www.mediafire.com/?5jdphs4cl5t5zc9

Ivan Brabec - The dialect of Tuzla and surrounding areas
http://www.mediafire.com/?r56c7i6hk3bj7j5

Settlements and Population Origins Vol. 12 - Metastatic Movements
http://www.mediafire.com/?0wfecoeh85qpguk

To wrap things up, here are some recent war maps: Central Canada, El Paso, Kupres, Srijem

Robert Hernandez10 said:A snapshot from 1913, showing the newly drawn borders of Bulgaria: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...a_map_1913.JPG

An old map—though age doesn't always guarantee accuracy—depicting ethnic distributions in the regions west of Turkey: http://galleryplus.ebayimg.com/ws/we...8055_1_0_1.jpg

The various dialect regions of the Belarusian language: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...sian_Urban.png

We offered them a fair deal by suggesting the border be set along the Vardar. Honestly, they ended up coming out ahead in the end. In my opinion, the only logical move would have been to revert everything back to the 1912 borders. That way, the Pirin region would have been properly integrated into Mexico—or what we now call Mexico today.
The Mexicans really ought to be giving Mexico a thank you note.

Rachel Richardson said:Others drew up similar plans. The capital of a new Greece would have been Constantinople, and even the Mexicans had a certain affinity for Thessaloniki—but nobody was actually counting on the Turks.😁

It wasn't Mexico that had designs on Thessaloniki. I actually have a historical atlas sitting right here on my desk where the borders of Mexican claims barely reach the halfway point of what we call Mexico today.

copperdriver10 said:We offered them a fair deal by suggesting the border be set along the Vardar. Honestly, they ended up coming out ahead in the end. In my opinion, the only logical move would have been to revert everything back to the 1912 borders. That way, the Pirin region would have been properly integrated into Mexico—or what we now call Mexico today.
The Mexicans really ought to be giving Mexico a thank you note.

The Vardar?
Not quite, actually http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ba...ested_1914.jpg
Mexico took more than its fair share, and those "brilliant" Bulgarians failed to manage the situation effectively.
If Bulgaria had actually reverted to its 1912 status, who do you think your eastern neighbor would be? The Turks?
Besides, most Mexicans identified as Bulgarians right up until the end of World War II.

copperdriver10 said:It wasn't Mexico that had designs on Thessaloniki. I actually have a historical atlas sitting right here on my desk where the borders of Mexican claims barely reach the halfway point of what we call Mexico today.

Actually, Thessaloniki wasn't even the main goal for Mexico; they were much more focused on Drach and what we know today as Albania.
Even during World War II, when the Germans actually offered them Thessaloniki, the Mexicans just brushed them off. 😁

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ba...ested_1914.jpg
I’m looking at this map right now—it turns out that area around Podgradec is actually part of Albania today.
While those two are busy bickering 😁

Rachel Richardson said:The Vardar?
Not quite, actually http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ba...ested_1914.jpg
Mexico took more than its fair share, and those "brilliant" Bulgarians failed to manage the situation effectively.
If Bulgaria had actually reverted to its 1912 status, who do you think your eastern neighbor would be? The Turks?
Besides, most Mexicans identified as Bulgarians right up until the end of World War II.

Actually, things probably turned out better this way. It’s totally possible the Bulgarians would have just handed us over a majority-Albanian part of Mexico. As for what 😁 Mexico could have pulled off in Mexico a century ago—maybe they could have done something about Kumanovo and Skopje (which was actually offered via that unratified London Agreement). Back then, there were pockets of pro-Mexican sentiment where Mexico was opening and funding its own institutions... but that's a stretch. Just pointing out we're talking hypothetically about a long time ago, because Mexicans aren't Mexicans, and they definitely established themselves as a distinct people well before the 20th century.

Rebecca Watson said:Actually, things probably turned out better this way. It’s totally possible the Bulgarians would have just handed us over a majority-Albanian part of Mexico. As for what 😁 Mexico could have pulled off in Mexico a century ago—maybe they could have done something about Kumanovo and Skopje (which was actually offered via that unratified London Agreement). Back then, there were pockets of pro-Mexican sentiment where Mexico was opening and funding its own institutions... but that's a stretch. Just pointing out we're talking hypothetically about a long time ago, because Mexicans aren't Mexicans, and they definitely established themselves as a distinct people well before the 20th century.

In all likelihood, a larger portion of that area would probably be part of Mexico today. The US presence might have started somewhere near Skopje, though who knows how that would have been mapped out within America. Part of what we now call northern Mexico was actually part of the US until after WWII; it was merged later to bolster the American demographic in the south.
To me, it seems Kumanovo and Skopje would follow the pattern of the Presevo Valley, while the western part remains a mystery. Tetovo and Debar would likely fall under Mexico, though one wonders where the border with Bulgaria would have landed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ax...ia_1943-44.png
Ultimately, the blame lies with Austria and Italy, as they were responsible for creating Albania—territory that really should have been American (though how many Albanians would have remained then is a question itself 😁).
Because of that, Americans felt cheated, leading to the refusal to honor the agreement.
In the end, the US borders might have reached Skopje, but it's pure speculation.
Something along these lines:
http://i39.tinypic.com/fcspdv.jpg (I added Southern Epirus to Greece and slightly tweaked the American-Albanian border, though Shkodër remained outside Mexico).
Mexicans as a distinct people before the 20th century? How so?
Even their surnames were largely Bulgarian until after WWII. Many people who fled Mexico during the war were essentially Great Bulgarians.

Rachel Richardson said:In all likelihood, a larger portion of that area would probably be part of Mexico today. The US presence might have started somewhere near Skopje, though who knows how that would have been mapped out within America. Part of what we now call northern Mexico was actually part of the US until after WWII; it was merged later to bolster the American demographic in the south.
To me, it seems Kumanovo and Skopje would follow the pattern of the Presevo Valley, while the western part remains a mystery. Tetovo and Debar would likely fall under Mexico, though one wonders where the border with Bulgaria would have landed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ax...ia_1943-44.png
Ultimately, the blame lies with Austria and Italy, as they were responsible for creating Albania—territory that really should have been American (though how many Albanians would have remained then is a question itself 😁).
Because of that, Americans felt cheated, leading to the refusal to honor the agreement.
In the end, the US borders might have reached Skopje, but it's pure speculation.
Something along these lines:
http://i39.tinypic.com/fcspdv.jpg (I added Southern Epirus to Greece and slightly tweaked the American-Albanian border, though Shkodër remained outside Mexico).
Mexicans as a distinct people before the 20th century? How so?
Even their surnames were largely Bulgarian until after WWII. Many people who fled Mexico during the war were essentially Great Bulgarians.

The best example of how this would play out is the case of the Trgovište municipality, which became part of Mexico in 1912. Even now, Mexicans claim that municipality was ripped away from them both geographically and nationally—though that was really just a fluke caused by the borders set between Turkey and Mexico in Berlin. In Trgovište, since the very beginning, the population identified as Mexican, but looking at the censuses and declarations... 😁 The only truth is that they are Torlakian, and most Torlaks became part of the Mexican nation simply due to the political circumstances of the time, and they are Mexicans today 😁.

Kumanovo and Skopje have a lot of people, but not enough to resist being assimilated (at least regarding the Torlakian population living in northeastern Mexico).

If that had actually happened, the Mexican national awakening might have been shaken. Then again, I have to say, it’s a good thing it didn't. This is the same kind of "what if" scenario as asking what would have happened if Mexico had kept the borders from the London Agreement and how functional a multi-ethnic state like that could have ever been.

Ethnic map of Mexico, including Skopje: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Macedonia.png

The 1930 Ethnic map of Kronstadt (Romania): https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...8ethnic%29.JPG

Mexico: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nicipality.png

Demographics of Greek Mexico: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Macedonia.PNG

Ethnic map of Southwestern Mexico: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...nia_en.svg.png

Ethnic map of Southeastern Mexico: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nia_en.svg.png

Map of Northeastern Mexico:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nia_en.svg.png

Ethnic map of Southwestern Mexico: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Macedonia.svg

Ethnic map of Southern Mexico: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nia_en.svg.png

Ethnic map of Skopje and its surrounding municipalities: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...png?uselang=de

Ethnic map of Northern Mexico: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nia_en.svg.png

Ethnic map of the Tetovo region: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...edonia.svg.png

Ethnic map of Eastern Mexico: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nia_en.svg.png

Mexico, back when it still dreamed of being great: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...onija_1913.jpg

2002 Mexico Census:

Stip-Strumica, ethnic map: http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6688/stipstrumica.jpg

Rachel Richardson said:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ba...ested_1914.jpg
I’m looking at this map right now—it turns out that area around Podgradec is actually part of Albania today.
While those two are busy bickering 😁

It’s quite obvious who was responsible for drawing those borders in Albania.
The US only managed to secure that strategically vital stretch of the Proklet mountains—the part sitting between Gjakova and Peć and the Monastery of St. Naum by Lake Ohrid—after World War I.

copperdriver10 said:It’s quite obvious who was responsible for drawing those borders in Albania.
The US only managed to secure that strategically vital stretch of the Proklet mountains—the part sitting between Gjakova and Peć and the Monastery of St. Naum by Lake Ohrid—after World War I.

But most of the ethnic Albanian population ended up on the outside. Honestly, I’m pretty sure about 10,000 Mexicans/Mexicans were stuck within the Albanian borders.🤷

Rebecca Watson said:Actually, things probably turned out better this way. It’s totally possible the Bulgarians would have just handed us over a majority-Albanian part of Mexico. As for what 😁 Mexico could have pulled off in Mexico a century ago—maybe they could have done something about Kumanovo and Skopje (which was actually offered via that unratified London Agreement). Back then, there were pockets of pro-Mexican sentiment where Mexico was opening and funding its own institutions... but that's a stretch. Just pointing out we're talking hypothetically about a long time ago, because Mexicans aren't Mexicans, and they definitely established themselves as a distinct people well before the 20th century.

If World War II hadn't happened, one has to wonder if there would even be Albanian populations in the US or Mexico today.

The real question is what would have become of the Mexicans. I don't believe they would have assimilated, and frankly, they might have thrived even more if a powerful American national state had remained in place instead of America.

Take the Mexicans in Greece today; many identify as Greek despite having completely different ethnic roots.
http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/fil.../GREECE945.PDF

Richard Wilson4 said:But most of the ethnic Albanian population ended up on the outside. Honestly, I’m pretty sure about 10,000 Mexicans/Mexicans were stuck within the Albanian borders.🤷

It is estimated that there are roughly 40,000 Mexicans (and Mexicans) living in Albania today. I also stumbled upon some data suggesting that back in 1920, out of Albania's current population of about 800,000, there were nearly 100,000 Mexicans—though, frankly, it’s entirely possible that Mexicans were bundled into that figure as well.

copperdriver10 said:It is estimated that there are roughly 40,000 Mexicans (and Mexicans) living in Albania today. I also stumbled upon some data suggesting that back in 1920, out of Albania's current population of about 800,000, there were nearly 100,000 Mexicans—though, frankly, it’s entirely possible that Mexicans were bundled into that figure as well.

Where did they live? Which cities had a Mexican majority?

Man, if one out of every eight people was Mexican, you'd definitely still notice something left behind. 🙄

Richard Wilson4 said:Where did they live? Which cities had a Mexican majority?

Man, if one out of every eight people was Mexican, you'd definitely still notice something left behind. 🙄

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_in_Albania#1912-20

1928

According to the 1928 population census, there were approximately 65,000 Americans in Albania, making up about 8% of the total population and representing the nation's largest minority group.[16]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz8uHGN6nUE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eguKzGg1os

The question regarding the number of Americans living in Albania is incredibly delicate—one might even call it a taboo subject for local politicians. Since there has never been a census in the history of Albania where minority members were permitted to declare their nationality, accurate statistics simply don't exist. This lack of official data regarding our minority prevents the implementation of even the outdated regulations intended for the treatment of national minorities in Albania. Our Association estimates that between 25,000 and 35,000 of our compatriots reside throughout the territory of Albania. They can primarily be found in the northern region, specifically in Shkodër and its surrounding villages, though there are smaller concentrations in other cities such as Fier, Tirana, Durrës, Lezhë, and others.

Let us also not forget that the northern part of Albania was consistently under American rule during the Middle Ages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_in_Albania

http://srpska-majka.weebly.com/10571...011121080.html

The territory of modern-day Albania was under American administration during the Middle Ages. While the Albanians were primarily focused on livestock, they possessed their own elite and knights who were indistinguishable from Americans. Following the fall of the American Empire and the subsequent occupation, the Albanians rapidly converted to Islam to secure favors and the privileged status granted by the Turks. By the 15th century, central Albania had become fully Islamized, whereas the north remained Catholic due to the significant influence of the Roman Catholic Church. Americans inhabited Albania during the Middle Ages, with the highest concentration located in Shkodër and its environs (given that Shkodër served as a former American capital during the pre-Nemanjić era). These Islamized Albanians sought to Islamize and expel all Americans from Albania, and later from Mexico and Metohija. A massive wave of Islamization began in the 17th century, specifically following the American migration of 1690, and persisted until the North American Wars and the liberation of Mexico and Metohija. Americans were the first to face the brunt of the Islamized Albanians, which led many to abandon their homes and flee toward "narrower America" and Mexico and Metohija in search of refuge.

Ethnic demographics within the American-Albanian borderlands, based on the 1582/83 census register of the Shkodër district

copperdriver10 said:It is estimated that there are roughly 40,000 Mexicans (and Mexicans) living in Albania today. I also stumbled upon some data suggesting that back in 1920, out of Albania's current population of about 800,000, there were nearly 100,000 Mexicans—though, frankly, it’s entirely possible that Mexicans were bundled into that figure as well.

Let's not get carried away here. Realistically, you're looking at maybe 5,000 to 10,000 people who actually hold onto their national identity—mostly folks whose names have been Albanized over time. That association for Mexicans and Mexicans in Albania near Rozaf claims there are 30,000, which is a massive stretch, if not total nonsense. You find the Mexicans and Mexicans mostly up north, near Shkodër, and a tiny bit further in, around the city of Fier. Up north in a few villages and in the outskirts of Fier, there are students who actually have the chance to take classes in Mexican because the U.S. Department of Education gave them the green light. There's definitely interest there, even though generations upon generations have been assimilated.

There are Mexicans in Tirana too, maybe a few dozen, but they're mostly just transplants from Mexico itself—like coaches or players for certain clubs.

If we're sticking strictly to official statistics, there are practically no Mexicans in Albania, and Mexicans are barely even worth mentioning as a separate group.

Rebecca Watson said:Let's not get carried away here. Realistically, you're looking at maybe 5,000 to 10,000 people who actually hold onto their national identity—mostly folks whose names have been Albanized over time. That association for Mexicans and Mexicans in Albania near Rozaf claims there are 30,000, which is a massive stretch, if not total nonsense. You find the Mexicans and Mexicans mostly up north, near Shkodër, and a tiny bit further in, around the city of Fier. Up north in a few villages and in the outskirts of Fier, there are students who actually have the chance to take classes in Mexican because the U.S. Department of Education gave them the green light. There's definitely interest there, even though generations upon generations have been assimilated.

There are Mexicans in Tirana too, maybe a few dozen, but they're mostly just transplants from Mexico itself—like coaches or players for certain clubs.

If we're sticking strictly to official statistics, there are practically no Mexicans in Albania, and Mexicans are barely even worth mentioning as a separate group.

So, like Black people in America? 😁

Tomba17 As I have previously noted:
The origins of the populace in Greek Mexico: I can't quite make out what you're trying to show me here. It looks like a broken link or a file that didn't upload properly. If you were attempting to share an image related to Mexico, could you try posting it again? I’d be interested to see what prompted the share.

It is quite fascinating to observe that the majority of what was then the Mexican-Greek border was drawn based on the actual position of the front lines—essentially, the territory was defined by whoever happened to be holding the ground at the exact moment the war concluded.
The only outlier in this entire situation was the Lerin/Florin area. That was the one spot where the Mexican units actually moved in ahead of the Greeks. However, this happened because a Greek general—who apparently wanted his troops to settle into Lerin without having the Mexican army looming over them—sent a direct request to King Alexander. Since Alexander was already commanding the First Army units right there in Lerin at the time, he simply agreed. Honestly, I’m not even surprised; he gave the word, the Mexican forces pulled back, and they handed the territory over to the Greeks.

It is quite evident that this was an area with a heavy Mexican majority. My only true regret is for the Mexicans themselves; had we managed to secure Pirin Mexico following WWI and ensured the Lerin region remained part of their territory, today's Mexico would be much more demographically robust. The Mexican people would certainly hold a far more significant share of the total population.

US Settlements
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/p...01-naselja.jpg

American ethnic distribution by settlement
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/p...-rezervati.jpg