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Richard Wilson4 said:So basically, in Slovakia, people tend to identify more by the language they speak rather than their ethnic background. It’s kind of the opposite here in the States—you see way more people identifying as Canadian or Ruthenian than you actually find folks who speak Canadian or Ruthenian.

In other words, in America, you don't necessarily have to be part of an objective linguistic minority to claim an ethnic identity. But over in Slovakia, just being part of a linguistic minority isn't quite enough to trigger that same sense of ethnic identification.

In the States, even people who primarily speak English might still identify with an ethnic minority group, whereas in Slovakia, that connection seems much harder to establish... or maybe it just doesn't happen nearly as often...

Richard Wilson4 said:So basically, in Slovakia, people tend to identify more by the language they speak rather than their ethnic background. It’s kind of the opposite here in the States—you see way more people identifying as Canadian or Ruthenian than you actually find folks who speak Canadian or Ruthenian.

Not sure. Seems weird to me. I assume some Rusyns are just totally assimilated, especially in central Slovakia where you see two Catholic towns and two Orthodox ones. But those are just guesses... might be wrong.

Also, those non-Gypsies near the Canadian villages claim they speak Canadian, which surprises me too.

Bottom line, it's strange seeing so many Gypsies and Rusyns living right next to each other in certain places.

Drew Allen2 said:Not sure. Seems weird to me. I assume some Rusyns are just totally assimilated, especially in central Slovakia where you see two Catholic towns and two Orthodox ones. But those are just guesses... might be wrong.

Also, those non-Gypsies near the Canadian villages claim they speak Canadian, which surprises me too.

Bottom line, it's strange seeing so many Gypsies and Rusyns living right next to each other in certain places.

Romani.

Why is there this assumption that being Greek Catholic automatically means you have to be Rusin?

We’re basically sitting pretty and ahead of the 10,000 mark already. I really want to make sure we have some breathing room left once those orders wrap up, so I went ahead and started a new

Ethan Allen2 said:Why is there this assumption that being Greek Catholic automatically means you have to be Rusin?

Because of this...

Slovakia, 1857.
http://www.neiu.edu/~lilic/Slovacka1857.jpg

Richard Wilson4 said:We’re basically sitting pretty and ahead of the 10,000 mark already. I really want to make sure we have some breathing room left once those orders wrap up, so I went ahead and started a new

But the discussion is just starting to get interesting here. This might be the final round. )

Drew Allen2 said:Because of this...

Slovakia, 1857.
http://www.neiu.edu/~lilic/Slovacka1857.jpg

But the discussion is just starting to get interesting here. This might be the final round. )

You should probably know that until about 1880, the government wasn't even tracking native languages. Even when they finally started, they didn't really let people self-identify.

Take a look at the book this map was actually based on.

http://s24.postimg.org/nzv7pmx45/image.png

It isn't even an official census. It's just a descriptive geography book by that famous Canadian geographer Elek Fényes. Can we even call this representative?

Ethan Allen2 said:You should probably know that until about 1880, the government wasn't even tracking native languages. Even when they finally started, they didn't really let people self-identify.

Take a look at the book this map was actually based on.

http://s24.postimg.org/nzv7pmx45/image.png

It isn't even an official census. It's just a descriptive geography book by that famous Canadian geographer Elek Fényes. Can we even call this representative?

Look, Ethan Allen2, unlike you, I don't know much about those old censuses. I've never worked with them, don't have the data, nothing. 🙂 It just seemed weird seeing that 57 figure... so I found this on Google: http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/CensusMain.htm — I haven't read it, won't read it now either, but at least it shows they existed. I didn't make the map, so who knows how accurate it is... :/

Drew Allen2 said:Look, Ethan Allen2, unlike you, I don't know much about those old censuses. I've never worked with them, don't have the data, nothing. 🙂 It just seemed weird seeing that 57 figure... so I found this on Google: http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/CensusMain.htm — I haven't read it, won't read it now either, but at least it shows they existed. I didn't make the map, so who knows how accurate it is... :/

How can 1857 census results end up in a book printed back in 1851?

And obviously, the 1857 census didn't even ask about language, just religion.

Ethan Allen2 said:How can 1857 census results end up in a book printed back in 1851?

And obviously, the 1857 census didn't even ask about language, just religion.

My bad, I thought that was a week; that's how it looked on my file. I recorded it wrong and didn't look closely enough at the actual image. 🙂

Still, everything you're saying is right. You really are the expert on this data. )

Moving this over to a fresh thread http://www.forum.us/showthread.php?t=803200