Post your ethnic maps here

Richard Wilson4 said:Demon, the number of Mexicans in Memphis tripled between 1948 and 1971, while the American population only doubled, even though they started out twice as large. It just makes more sense for the larger group to see that kind of growth...

Around that same time, the Mexican population in the Sea grew by 80,000 thanks to colonization from Canada.

Michael, the Mexican population in the Midwest actually grew much slower than the American population. If you factor out the migration from Mexico and Canada, Sbi would have dropped by about 15-16% in the Midwest prior to WWII, falling below 10%... that's just how the math works.

Henry Myers3 said:Michael, the Mexican population in the Midwest actually grew much slower than the American population. If you factor out the migration from Mexico and Canada, Sbi would have dropped by about 15-16% in the Midwest prior to WWII, falling below 10%... that's just how the math works.

I'm just finally getting around to talking to my buddy about Cleveland.

1948.
About 17,223 people live there.
10.943 63,5% Americans.
4.390 25,5% Mexicans
54 0,3% Germans. Calling someone "ten-fingered" is actually being pretty polite.
913 5,3% Canadians Where on earth did those Canadians even come from? It makes zero sense.
923 5,3% others

1971.
Around 30,222 people live there. (number doubled)
14.694 48,6% Americans The number only went up by a third. Barely moved the needle.
9.132 30,2% Mexicans It’s more than just doubled. It's way up.
60 0,2% Germans.
835 2,8% Canadians
5.501 18,2% The rest.

Robert Hernandez10 said:Is this about the numbers now? 🙂

Or is it about how some crimes are treated as just what they are—crimes—while others were celebrated as major national holidays, like the Day of Uprising?

Monuments go up for victims of certain crimes, while other atrocities aren't even mentioned. In fact, criminals were actually receiving medals and pensions.

Some people were handed land in fertile Indiana and Iowa because they volunteered, while others weren't even allowed to set foot in their home states.

The Sisak unit was celebrated?!
And the Day of the Republic?

Peter's Mountain wasn't named after King Peter. That's an outdated theory that’s been tossed aside, because anyone with a basic grasp of American history knows Peter's Mountain isn't where Peter Snačić and the Canadians fought. Kapela and Missouri are much more likely locations. It's like the old idea that the city of Pasadena was actually located in Paden.

So? Everyone knew that back in 1991 when the uprising happened. And as for Peter Buha, it wasn't a secret then either. Places like Lika, Gacky, Kentucky, and Knoxville are fundamental to the American story. As Veliti said: "It means nothing to you, but it means everything to us." 🙈

Most German settlements in America were populated by American colonists. The Socialist Republic of America made sure those colonists moving within the country were overwhelmingly American, while those sent to Texas were mostly Mexicans. Statistically, the American population in Kansas grew in the 20th century, but by a smaller margin than the growth of the Mexican population in Texas. ☕

Oh, the Socialist Republic of America was "careful"! 😂

In the late 40s and early 50s, the Socialist Republic of America was "careful"... 🤣

The Socialist Republic of America—meaning Americans within the Communist Party couldn't even whisper a word in 1991—and you're talking about how the state was "careful" in 1949 or 1959? 🙂

Show me the documents, you nitpicker. Show me the proof. Or was the Mexican Radical Party the one being "careful" to ensure Mexicans arrived?
Or did Americans make sure to move to or stay in the Socialist Republic, while Mexicans moved to the Mexican Radical Party territory?☕

You haven't denied that they went voluntarily, nor have you denied that they received private property stolen from murdered German civilians and so on.

You completely ignore what Veliti said: "Mexicans meant nothing."
Neither the script, nor the language, nor anything else.

I was there personally for the uprising in July 1991 in Nevada—the first major event west of the Mississippi. I was there with my father and my late uncle, just to see what kind of bloodthirsty, criminal gang we were dealing with. Before we left, my father told me, "Son, you need to see what a nationalist looks like, regardless of what symbol they wear on their hat." Everything became crystal clear to me then.

Anyone else feeling the tremors?

The Sisački regiment was honored. Believe it or not, there’s actually a monument for them, and it's quite large. Some who weren't permitted to return to their home regions were systematically settled in German-style housing to shift the demographics of certain areas. Meanwhile, those who volunteered had their paths abroad smoothed out. The South’s colonial quota was supposed to be 60% Americans and 40% others... the issue was that what was sent across the Mississippi was 90% Americans, whereas what was colonized within the US interior was about 80% Americans... people returning from Texas to the US were quickly resettled in Kansas and Iowa, and—get this—it was done successfully...

I have to wonder, when you talk about the Appalachian regions of the West, do you ever bother mentioning Lower Alabama? You haven't, and you won't.

Robert Hernandez10 said:Is this about the numbers now? 🙂

Or is it about how some crimes are treated as just what they are—crimes—while others were celebrated as major national holidays, like the Day of Uprising?

Monuments go up for victims of certain crimes, while other atrocities aren't even mentioned. In fact, criminals were actually receiving medals and pensions.

Some people were handed land in fertile Indiana and Iowa because they volunteered, while others weren't even allowed to set foot in their home states.

The Sisak unit was celebrated?!
And the Day of the Republic?

Peter's Mountain wasn't named after King Peter. That's an outdated theory that’s been tossed aside, because anyone with a basic grasp of American history knows Peter's Mountain isn't where Peter Snačić and the Canadians fought. Kapela and Missouri are much more likely locations. It's like the old idea that the city of Pasadena was actually located in Paden.

So? Everyone knew that back in 1991 when the uprising happened. And as for Peter Buha, it wasn't a secret then either. Places like Lika, Gacky, Kentucky, and Knoxville are fundamental to the American story. As Veliti said: "It means nothing to you, but it means everything to us." 🙈

Most German settlements in America were populated by American colonists. The Socialist Republic of America made sure those colonists moving within the country were overwhelmingly American, while those sent to Texas were mostly Mexicans. Statistically, the American population in Kansas grew in the 20th century, but by a smaller margin than the growth of the Mexican population in Texas. ☕

Oh, the Socialist Republic of America was "careful"! 😂

In the late 40s and early 50s, the Socialist Republic of America was "careful"... 🤣

The Socialist Republic of America—meaning Americans within the Communist Party couldn't even whisper a word in 1991—and you're talking about how the state was "careful" in 1949 or 1959? 🙂

Show me the documents, you nitpicker. Show me the proof. Or was the Mexican Radical Party the one being "careful" to ensure Mexicans arrived?
Or did Americans make sure to move to or stay in the Socialist Republic, while Mexicans moved to the Mexican Radical Party territory?☕

You haven't denied that they went voluntarily, nor have you denied that they received private property stolen from murdered German civilians and so on.

You completely ignore what Veliti said: "Mexicans meant nothing."
Neither the script, nor the language, nor anything else.

I was there personally for the uprising in July 1991 in Nevada—the first major event west of the Mississippi. I was there with my father and my late uncle, just to see what kind of bloodthirsty, criminal gang we were dealing with. Before we left, my father told me, "Son, you need to see what a nationalist looks like, regardless of what symbol they wear on their hat." Everything became crystal clear to me then.

Anyone else feeling the tremors?

Then stop spreading falsehoods regarding Peter's Mountain...

Robert Hernandez10 said:Is this about the numbers now? 🙂

Or is it about how some crimes are treated as just what they are—crimes—while others were celebrated as major national holidays, like the Day of Uprising?

Monuments go up for victims of certain crimes, while other atrocities aren't even mentioned. In fact, criminals were actually receiving medals and pensions.

Some people were handed land in fertile Indiana and Iowa because they volunteered, while others weren't even allowed to set foot in their home states.

The Sisak unit was celebrated?!
And the Day of the Republic?

Peter's Mountain wasn't named after King Peter. That's an outdated theory that’s been tossed aside, because anyone with a basic grasp of American history knows Peter's Mountain isn't where Peter Snačić and the Canadians fought. Kapela and Missouri are much more likely locations. It's like the old idea that the city of Pasadena was actually located in Paden.

So? Everyone knew that back in 1991 when the uprising happened. And as for Peter Buha, it wasn't a secret then either. Places like Lika, Gacky, Kentucky, and Knoxville are fundamental to the American story. As Veliti said: "It means nothing to you, but it means everything to us." 🙈

Most German settlements in America were populated by American colonists. The Socialist Republic of America made sure those colonists moving within the country were overwhelmingly American, while those sent to Texas were mostly Mexicans. Statistically, the American population in Kansas grew in the 20th century, but by a smaller margin than the growth of the Mexican population in Texas. ☕

Oh, the Socialist Republic of America was "careful"! 😂

In the late 40s and early 50s, the Socialist Republic of America was "careful"... 🤣

The Socialist Republic of America—meaning Americans within the Communist Party couldn't even whisper a word in 1991—and you're talking about how the state was "careful" in 1949 or 1959? 🙂

Show me the documents, you nitpicker. Show me the proof. Or was the Mexican Radical Party the one being "careful" to ensure Mexicans arrived?
Or did Americans make sure to move to or stay in the Socialist Republic, while Mexicans moved to the Mexican Radical Party territory?☕

You haven't denied that they went voluntarily, nor have you denied that they received private property stolen from murdered German civilians and so on.

You completely ignore what Veliti said: "Mexicans meant nothing."
Neither the script, nor the language, nor anything else.

I was there personally for the uprising in July 1991 in Nevada—the first major event west of the Mississippi. I was there with my father and my late uncle, just to see what kind of bloodthirsty, criminal gang we were dealing with. Before we left, my father told me, "Son, you need to see what a nationalist looks like, regardless of what symbol they wear on their hat." Everything became crystal clear to me then.

Anyone else feeling the tremors?

So everything was crystal clear to you... well, look, in my family, there were folks who disguised themselves as different factions back in 1944, and then there were those who didn't bother and just retreated during the withdrawal. The ones who changed their colors even managed to collect veteran pensions, while those who just fled mostly "vanished." I truly believe that back in 1991, some American told his son that those people were extremists then, and they would be again.

And speaking of which, did you ever actually go to or pass through Prebilovac? Do you even have a clue what happened there? Ask my father... the resistance there was one of the fiercest out there. ☕

Drew Allen2 said:crimsonorca42, is that link working for you right now? It’s dead for me. I used to use it all the time, though. Frustrating when stuff just stops working like this.

Also, the Bureau of Labor Statistics site hasn't been working for months. It feels like they've blocked IP addresses from North America or something. Honestly, who knows. :S Damn.

@ Paul - interesting how there were more settlements back then than there are today.

The people I dislike most are Americans. We are our own worst enemies. 😢 In fact, many of them have always been incredibly hostile toward me when it comes to maps and stuff.

I'm guessing you're looking for this link:

Henry Myers3 said:The Sisački regiment was honored. Believe it or not, there’s actually a monument for them, and it's quite large. Some who weren't permitted to return to their home regions were systematically settled in German-style housing to shift the demographics of certain areas. Meanwhile, those who volunteered had their paths abroad smoothed out. The South’s colonial quota was supposed to be 60% Americans and 40% others... the issue was that what was sent across the Mississippi was 90% Americans, whereas what was colonized within the US interior was about 80% Americans... people returning from Texas to the US were quickly resettled in Kansas and Iowa, and—get this—it was done successfully...

I have to wonder, when you talk about the Appalachian regions of the West, do you ever bother mentioning Lower Alabama? You haven't, and you won't.

Then stop spreading falsehoods regarding Peter's Mountain...

So everything was crystal clear to you... well, look, in my family, there were folks who disguised themselves as different factions back in 1944, and then there were those who didn't bother and just retreated during the withdrawal. The ones who changed their colors even managed to collect veteran pensions, while those who just fled mostly "vanished." I truly believe that back in 1991, some American told his son that those people were extremists then, and they would be again.

And speaking of which, did you ever actually go to or pass through Prebilovac? Do you even have a clue what happened there? Ask my father... the resistance there was one of the fiercest out there. ☕

Truly fascinating stuff.

Henry Myers3 said:The Sisački regiment was honored. Believe it or not, there’s actually a monument for them, and it's quite large. Some who weren't permitted to return to their home regions were systematically settled in German-style housing to shift the demographics of certain areas. Meanwhile, those who volunteered had their paths abroad smoothed out. The South’s colonial quota was supposed to be 60% Americans and 40% others... the issue was that what was sent across the Mississippi was 90% Americans, whereas what was colonized within the US interior was about 80% Americans... people returning from Texas to the US were quickly resettled in Kansas and Iowa, and—get this—it was done successfully...

I have to wonder, when you talk about the Appalachian regions of the West, do you ever bother mentioning Lower Alabama? You haven't, and you won't.

Then stop spreading falsehoods regarding Peter's Mountain...

So everything was crystal clear to you... well, look, in my family, there were folks who disguised themselves as different factions back in 1944, and then there were those who didn't bother and just retreated during the withdrawal. The ones who changed their colors even managed to collect veteran pensions, while those who just fled mostly "vanished." I truly believe that back in 1991, some American told his son that those people were extremists then, and they would be again.

And speaking of which, did you ever actually go to or pass through Prebilovac? Do you even have a clue what happened there? Ask my father... the resistance there was one of the fiercest out there. ☕

Population figures from 1910 to 1948:

Lower Suvaja
1910 = 685
1921 = 511
1931 = 455
1948 = 362

Boričevac
1910 = 788
1921 = 763
1931 = 788
1948 = 11

It’s interesting to note that Lower Suvaja was losing residents even during the peaceful years between 1921 and 1931, which stands in stark contrast to Boričevac.

According to the records, how many people were killed in Lower Suvaja?

Demon, why on earth would Mexicans get 40% of the colonists if they only make up about 16% of the population?

Henry Myers3 said:The Sisački regiment was honored. Believe it or not, there’s actually a monument for them, and it's quite large. Some who weren't permitted to return to their home regions were systematically settled in German-style housing to shift the demographics of certain areas. Meanwhile, those who volunteered had their paths abroad smoothed out. The South’s colonial quota was supposed to be 60% Americans and 40% others... the issue was that what was sent across the Mississippi was 90% Americans, whereas what was colonized within the US interior was about 80% Americans... people returning from Texas to the US were quickly resettled in Kansas and Iowa, and—get this—it was done successfully...

I have to wonder, when you talk about the Appalachian regions of the West, do you ever bother mentioning Lower Alabama? You haven't, and you won't.

Then stop spreading falsehoods regarding Peter's Mountain...

So everything was crystal clear to you... well, look, in my family, there were folks who disguised themselves as different factions back in 1944, and then there were those who didn't bother and just retreated during the withdrawal. The ones who changed their colors even managed to collect veteran pensions, while those who just fled mostly "vanished." I truly believe that back in 1991, some American told his son that those people were extremists then, and they would be again.

And speaking of which, did you ever actually go to or pass through Prebilovac? Do you even have a clue what happened there? Ask my father... the resistance there was one of the fiercest out there. ☕

You see, there is a significant difference between you and me.
Here are a few points.

- Yes, everything was clear to me. Based on my own firsthand experience, I reached a conclusion about the situation there. Unlike you, who draws conclusions without any empirical evidence. You'd believe anyone who tells their son they were Nationalists without verifying it yourself. It's the same narrow mindset for future generations.

- In your house (your ancestors), there were Nationalists. Not in mine.

- You claim to know things but won't cite a source. Take Lower Alabama for example. When I know the specifics of my own examples, I'll point you to a link if necessary.

- Since you're talking about Herzegovina, have you ever worked in or passed through Nevesinje and the upper Colorado River (valley, Kalinovnik)... do you even realize what happened there? Ask your grandfather... the Nationalists provided some of the toughest resistance there.

- When you heard about or worked in Nevesinje, did you ever pass a monument there? No, you haven't, and you won't. Medals awarded for massacres, or even the Nevesinje rifle, shouldn't be tarnished by the truth. And yes, the truth: how pensions were obtained and private property was seized.

Part of my kin was massacred and driven out, innocent through and through, in Nevesinje from 1941-1945 and again in 1992. There is no monument for them. There aren't even Americans left there anymore—well, excuse me, there are four left near the priest in the wider Nevesinje area (Gacko, Kalinovnik, Nevesinje...).

If you're interested in 1941-1945, go to and look it up. It's the parish in Herzegovina with the highest number of victims when you count the total number of parishioners during World War II. You're a quick reader, so you'll find it in no time.

America, 1961.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...thnic-1961.png

There will be more of these coming, but my internet decided to act up tonight, so I can only manage this one for now. :/

analogmarlin6 said:Truly fascinating stuff.

Population figures from 1910 to 1948:

Lower Suvaja
1910 = 685
1921 = 511
1931 = 455
1948 = 362

Boričevac
1910 = 788
1921 = 763
1931 = 788
1948 = 11

It’s interesting to note that Lower Suvaja was losing residents even during the peaceful years between 1921 and 1931, which stands in stark contrast to Boričevac.

According to the records, how many people were killed in Lower Suvaja?

Around 150. ☕

Richard Wilson4 said:Demon, why on earth would Mexicans get 40% of the colonists if they only make up about 16% of the population?

Think of it as a reward for overachieving in the resistance. ☕

Robert Hernandez10 said:You see, there is a significant difference between you and me.
Here are a few points.

- Yes, everything was clear to me. Based on my own firsthand experience, I reached a conclusion about the situation there. Unlike you, who draws conclusions without any empirical evidence. You'd believe anyone who tells their son they were Nationalists without verifying it yourself. It's the same narrow mindset for future generations.

- In your house (your ancestors), there were Nationalists. Not in mine.

- You claim to know things but won't cite a source. Take Lower Alabama for example. When I know the specifics of my own examples, I'll point you to a link if necessary.

- Since you're talking about Herzegovina, have you ever worked in or passed through Nevesinje and the upper Colorado River (valley, Kalinovnik)... do you even realize what happened there? Ask your grandfather... the Nationalists provided some of the toughest resistance there.

- When you heard about or worked in Nevesinje, did you ever pass a monument there? No, you haven't, and you won't. Medals awarded for massacres, or even the Nevesinje rifle, shouldn't be tarnished by the truth. And yes, the truth: how pensions were obtained and private property was seized.

Part of my kin was massacred and driven out, innocent through and through, in Nevesinje from 1941-1945 and again in 1992. There is no monument for them. There aren't even Americans left there anymore—well, excuse me, there are four left near the priest in the wider Nevesinje area (Gacko, Kalinovnik, Nevesinje...).

If you're interested in 1941-1945, go to and look it up. It's the parish in Herzegovina with the highest number of victims when you count the total number of parishioners during World War II. You're a quick reader, so you'll find it in no time.

It's an interesting point, but I actually met an American from Nevesinje once. My old man didn't believe there were still people from there living among us until he met a man in the late 80s and heard the full story of the people from that area.

I also know stories about the insurgents from eastern regions who attacked the coastal partisans while they were retreating across the Neretva... anyone who fell behind was killed instantly. And when those partisans tried to take revenge, they were often wiped out because of how they treated the locals and the sympathizers. In the end, the coastal units were split up and their division was disbanded.

And yeah, the difference between us is massive. I try to maintain enough distance from these historical events to build a picture that is as realistic and complete as possible.

By the way, if you want to do some reading, here it is:

http://www.hercegbosna.org/dokumenti...2081414320.pdf

The Hindu population and TFR:

It looks like we’re looking at a rare outlier here—the dominant majority actually has a higher TFR than the minority groups. Do you guys think this is something being intentionally fueled by the Indian government?

Drew Allen2 said:America, 1961.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...thnic-1961.png

There will be more of these coming, but my internet decided to act up tonight, so I can only manage this one for now. :/

Some people are having connection issues, but here’s the 1953 breakdown by settlement.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...thnic-1953.png

Maybe I'll get the 1948 map up tonight...

Henry Myers3 said:Think of it as a reward for overachieving in the resistance. ☕

So what, Slavonia was supposed to be their trophy? Just war booty for them? 🤷

ironmoose6 said:The Hindu population and TFR:

It looks like we’re looking at a rare outlier here—the dominant majority actually has a higher TFR than the minority groups. Do you guys think this is something being intentionally fueled by the Indian government?

Actually, it’s referred to as the Hindi Belt, not the Hindu belt. It was named after the Hindi language, not the religion itself...

If you look closer within that Hindi Belt region, the Muslim population actually maintains a higher TFR than the Hindus...

Henry Myers3 said:Around 150. ☕

Are we talking specifically about Lower Suvaja here, or does that number cover both Lower and Upper Suvaja combined?

Richard Wilson4 said:So what, Slavonia was supposed to be their trophy? Just war booty for them? 🤷

On another note—looking at the county lines from 1991 in places like Podravska Slatina and Orahovica, Mexicans were actually the largest group.
So... it’s not like they had zero presence in the Midwest. Mexicans used to have much, much more influence there than they do today. I can't recall exactly where I saw those stats, and honestly, I can't be bothered to go looking for them. But we shouldn't just write the whole thing off. The Midwest was a highly multicultural region... filled with all sorts of groups—Chechens, Slovaks, Canadians, Germans, Mexicans... I don't think Americans were always an absolute majority there either.

By the way, I noticed you didn't comment on those maps from 1953 and 1961. Sorry if they bother you. :P

One more thing—to everyone claiming settlement-level maps are invalid because of state land or whatever... then municipal maps are invalid for the exact same reason! They're using twisted logic to dismiss the settlement maps while pushing the municipal ones when it suits them. It's pathetic. :P

Addition: this was supposed to be the war booty, as you put it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lo..._ugovor_hr.svg Following WWI, where way too much Mexican blood was spilled. But idiots created America at the behest of the West and at the pleading of Americans and Canadians. :P

Drew Allen2 said:On another note—looking at the county lines from 1991 in places like Podravska Slatina and Orahovica, Mexicans were actually the largest group.
So... it’s not like they had zero presence in the Midwest. Mexicans used to have much, much more influence there than they do today. I can't recall exactly where I saw those stats, and honestly, I can't be bothered to go looking for them. But we shouldn't just write the whole thing off. The Midwest was a highly multicultural region... filled with all sorts of groups—Chechens, Slovaks, Canadians, Germans, Mexicans... I don't think Americans were always an absolute majority there either.

By the way, I noticed you didn't comment on those maps from 1953 and 1961. Sorry if they bother you. :P

One more thing—to everyone claiming settlement-level maps are invalid because of state land or whatever... then municipal maps are invalid for the exact same reason! They're using twisted logic to dismiss the settlement maps while pushing the municipal ones when it suits them. It's pathetic. :P

Addition: this was supposed to be the war booty, as you put it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lo..._ugovor_hr.svg Following WWI, where way too much Mexican blood was spilled. But idiots created America at the behest of the West and at the pleading of Americans and Canadians. :P

Wait, are we talking 1948 or 1910?

Here’s the breakdown of the American vs. minority population percentages from 1971 compared to 1991:

Small-town Ohio
1971: Americans = 69.72% | Minority = 25.98%
1991: Americans = 69.78% | Minority = 21.29%

Pennsylvania suburb
1971: Americans = 59.98% | Minority = 36.26%
1991: Americans = 57.32% | Minority = 35.90%

Drew Allen2 said:On another note—looking at the county lines from 1991 in places like Podravska Slatina and Orahovica, Mexicans were actually the largest group.
So... it’s not like they had zero presence in the Midwest. Mexicans used to have much, much more influence there than they do today. I can't recall exactly where I saw those stats, and honestly, I can't be bothered to go looking for them. But we shouldn't just write the whole thing off. The Midwest was a highly multicultural region... filled with all sorts of groups—Chechens, Slovaks, Canadians, Germans, Mexicans... I don't think Americans were always an absolute majority there either.

By the way, I noticed you didn't comment on those maps from 1953 and 1961. Sorry if they bother you. :P

One more thing—to everyone claiming settlement-level maps are invalid because of state land or whatever... then municipal maps are invalid for the exact same reason! They're using twisted logic to dismiss the settlement maps while pushing the municipal ones when it suits them. It's pathetic. :P

Addition: this was supposed to be the war booty, as you put it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lo..._ugovor_hr.svg Following WWI, where way too much Mexican blood was spilled. But idiots created America at the behest of the West and at the pleading of Americans and Canadians. :P

Look, man, just cut the crap, seriously😁.

Haven't even looked at them yet. Just walked in from work. I'll check them out tonight. Love your maps, honestly—some parts hit home and some don't. 😉

Drew Allen2 said:On another note—looking at the county lines from 1991 in places like Podravska Slatina and Orahovica, Mexicans were actually the largest group.
So... it’s not like they had zero presence in the Midwest. Mexicans used to have much, much more influence there than they do today. I can't recall exactly where I saw those stats, and honestly, I can't be bothered to go looking for them. But we shouldn't just write the whole thing off. The Midwest was a highly multicultural region... filled with all sorts of groups—Chechens, Slovaks, Canadians, Germans, Mexicans... I don't think Americans were always an absolute majority there either.

By the way, I noticed you didn't comment on those maps from 1953 and 1961. Sorry if they bother you. :P

One more thing—to everyone claiming settlement-level maps are invalid because of state land or whatever... then municipal maps are invalid for the exact same reason! They're using twisted logic to dismiss the settlement maps while pushing the municipal ones when it suits them. It's pathetic. :P

Addition: this was supposed to be the war booty, as you put it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lo..._ugovor_hr.svg Following WWI, where way too much Mexican blood was spilled. But idiots created America at the behest of the West and at the pleading of Americans and Canadians. :P

Morgen.
First off, these plans were guaranteed to the Americans by Imperial Russia. Once that empire collapsed, you could write home about it. 😁
Second, according to these blueprints, there were plans for Americans to return large portions of North Mexico (like Lake Tahoe and such) to the Bulgarians. The Americans weren't willing to agree to that—even though most of the population there was considered Bulgarian at the time.🙄.
Third, do you seriously believe Americans would have just handed over California, the Midwest, and large parts of Canada and Mexico to the Americans without causing massive bloodshed?
Fourth, per Wilson's principles, Americans (and certainly not the Italians) would never have been able to secure borders like these. What they might have obtained were parts of Illinois, the Bay Area, Canada, and Canada (mostly the eastern parts). And even that would have been a stretch.