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wiredskipper45 wiredskipper45 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
I’m not sure if this thread already exists, but after swallowing everything under the sun in terms of pharmaceuticals over the last six years, I’ve been trying to pivot toward alternative methods. I'd love to hear what you guys have dealt with.
Personally, I tried some bioenergetic treatments—went to see someone like Oprah Winfrey, one of the big names in that field—but the whole thing was a bust because it only seemed to work if I showed up every single day, which absolutely wrecked my bank account. It might dull the symptoms, I guess, but when you're dealing with BPD, she isn't exactly going to rearrange the wiring in my brain. :/
So then I moved on to a guy practicing Ayurvedic medicine. He gave me some decent advice regarding diet and breathing exercises, and he handed me this herbal supplement they've used in India forever for anxiety—Brahmi, I think. I’ve been taking it for two months now. Apparently, it’s a slow burn and you need to be consistent for at least three months to see anything, but honestly? Nothing yet.
Right now, I'm also messing around with Shivayoga—meditative yoga. They say staring into a candle flame while meditating is supposed to be great too. I’m hoping I can stick with it; I really believe it could quiet the chaos in my head, but I also know it requires an insane amount of time, patience, and persistence... things I am currently running very low on. :/ I'm just exhausted from the constant searching and testing...

Any experiences?
Dana Davis5 Dana Davis5 Active Member
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#2 ·
Look, bioenergy is fine, and I’m all for things like Ayurveda too—but if you aren't digging into the actual root causes of what’s going on with you, you’re just spinning your wheels. You won't see any real, long-term progress without that.
Using bioenergy as a way to basically hand off all your responsibility to a therapist is kind of like just popping a Tylenol and calling it a day. Without actually getting involved yourself, you're just masking the symptoms rather than actually fixing them.
As a starting point, you could try digging up those negative subconscious beliefs on your own—it's a process, for sure—and then start working on transforming them alongside a therapist, some solid professional books, or even tackling it solo if the issue isn't too overwhelming.

The more you can become aware of where your fears actually stem from, the more energy you'll find. It's like these "blocks" start breaking down, and naturally, your health starts improving bit by bit.
You can actually hunt down those core beliefs using Muscle Testing (just search for it online, there are plenty of resources).

I know, facing yourself is probably the hardest thing you'll ever do, but honestly? There really isn't any other way to get truly healthy.

ps. Just please, don't go ignoring any medication your doctor prescribes while you're experimenting with alternative methods. Stick to the plan, and once you feel like you've made real progress, maybe then you can talk to them about tapering off slowly.
wiredskipper45 wiredskipper45 Active MemberOP
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#3 ·
Yeah, everything you’re saying tracks. But I already know why I am the way I am. It was a massive trauma right on the edge of puberty—losing two people in my immediate family before I hit eighteen, one of whom was my sister. She took her own life. I never actually went through the grieving process; I just got stuck in denial and eventually developed BPD. Now, I live with this constant, paralyzing fear of losing people. On paper, though? Everything is fine. My life is actually pretty dialed in right now. I’m knocking on wood here, but I have a wonderful kid, an amazing boyfriend, a supportive family, a house, a career... but inside, it’s just total chaos. :/

A muscle test?! Never heard of it. I'll have to go dig around and see what's what. 😁
Thanks anyway.
Dana Davis5 Dana Davis5 Active Member
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#4 ·
I was just thinking—maybe there’s some kind of psychotherapeutic approach, like hypnosis or something similar, where you can actually go back to a traumatic moment... you know, really step back into it? The idea would be to face those horrible, suppressed emotions head-on, just let them out through tears, and hopefully finally find some kind of release or a way to clear that weight off your chest.
Of course, I’m just rambling here—I don't know the official medical jargon or the specific clinical methods at all. And honestly, I also wonder if it might actually backfire if someone isn't feeling strong enough to handle it. A professional would definitely need to be right there by your side, guiding you through every single step, and they'd have to be able to judge exactly how much trauma a person can realistically process without being overwhelmed.
wiredskipper45 wiredskipper45 Active MemberOP
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#5 ·
There’s actually this thing called regression, where they supposedly pull you back into some past life that’s the root of all your current trauma. 😁
I’m not really sure what to make of it... honestly, the whole hypnosis thing creeps me out. You’d have to have total, blind faith in whoever is messing with your head, because like you said—that person absolutely has to be a legitimate Expert.
As for my own baggage—I think I’ve finally managed to clear most of it out, though it’s a shame what happened in the first place.
Dana Davis5 Dana Davis5 Active Member
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#6 ·
wiredskipper45 said:There’s actually this thing called regression, where they supposedly pull you back into some past life that’s the root of all your current trauma. 😁
I’m not really sure what to make of it... honestly, the whole hypnosis thing creeps me out. You’d have to have total, blind faith in whoever is messing with your head, because like you said—that person absolutely has to be a legitimate Expert.
As for my own baggage—I think I’ve finally managed to clear most of it out, though it’s a shame what happened in the first place.

I’ve actually tried regression before, and it gave me some pretty eye-opening insights into why certain patterns just kept repeating in my life.
But even then, it doesn't magically fix the fallout from the problem itself. You still have to deal with the reality of things right here, right now, and find a way to truly "release" that traumatic event. And yeah, just like you mentioned, you really need to trust that your specialist knows exactly what they're doing.

Louise Hay did such a beautiful job describing that process of facing our inner wounded child in her book, The Power Is Within Us.
Brandon Lopez6 Brandon Lopez6 Regular
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#7 ·
So, I tried some alternative therapy—not even sure what they called the specific method they used on me—and it actually worked for my intrusive thoughts. But when it came to the anxiety and depression? Total bust. Zero effect. So, yeah, I'm heading back to my meds. I guess I just wanted to try it to see if I could toughen up my mindset and prove to myself I could handle it, but honestly, some things are just stronger than me, no matter how hard I fight.
Nicholas Gonzalez8 Nicholas Gonzalez8 Regular
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#8 ·
I didn't go through the grieving process properly—I just stayed stuck in denial and ended up developing BPD. Now I'm constantly terrified of losing people. That's basically where I am.

Look, meds usually just mask the symptoms, you know? They rarely touch the actual root cause, which is sitting right there inside you. So, honestly, I think it’s a great move that you're looking into alternative ways to heal. 🙂 The thing is, change is the only constant in this life, and pretty much all our suffering comes from fighting that reality. When you're mourning what's gone or stressing about what might happen, you’re just missing out on actually living. Life is happening right now—your present moment is literally what builds your past and your future. Because you're so paralyzed by this fear of loss, you're actually losing the precious moments you have right in front of you. It's a total vicious cycle.

Life is full of ups and downs—it's unavoidable. We actually need both to grow. You can't control every single thing that hits you, but you *can* always choose how you react to the chaos. Just focus on making smart, small choices; those little decisions eventually snowball into massive changes in your life.

Your sister made her choice, and even if you can't wrap your head around it, you really have to respect her autonomy. It's heartbreaking that she ended things, but what good does dwelling on it do when you can't change the outcome? In life, you've got to try and lean into the light rather than the dark. For instance, try to hold onto the good memories you shared with her instead of letting her suicide be the only thing defining her in your mind.

You can actually practice bioenergy healing on yourself. We all have that energy within us, and there are plenty of techniques for self-healing, clearing your aura, recharging your vibe, and so on. Like, just visualize a bright white light flowing from your palm toward whatever part of your body needs attention. Personally, I've had some pretty positive experiences with it so far.
Rebecca Sanders37 Rebecca Sanders37 Member
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bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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#10 ·
wiredskipper45 said:I’m not sure if this thread already exists, but after swallowing everything under the sun in terms of pharmaceuticals over the last six years, I’ve been trying to pivot toward alternative methods. I'd love to hear what you guys have dealt with.
Personally, I tried some bioenergetic treatments—went to see someone like Oprah Winfrey, one of the big names in that field—but the whole thing was a bust because it only seemed to work if I showed up every single day, which absolutely wrecked my bank account. It might dull the symptoms, I guess, but when you're dealing with BPD, she isn't exactly going to rearrange the wiring in my brain. :/
So then I moved on to a guy practicing Ayurvedic medicine. He gave me some decent advice regarding diet and breathing exercises, and he handed me this herbal supplement they've used in India forever for anxiety—Brahmi, I think. I’ve been taking it for two months now. Apparently, it’s a slow burn and you need to be consistent for at least three months to see anything, but honestly? Nothing yet.
Right now, I'm also messing around with Shivayoga—meditative yoga. They say staring into a candle flame while meditating is supposed to be great too. I’m hoping I can stick with it; I really believe it could quiet the chaos in my head, but I also know it requires an insane amount of time, patience, and persistence... things I am currently running very low on. :/ I'm just exhausted from the constant searching and testing...

Any experiences?

Since I have some ties to some of these alternatives (mostly through therapeutic yoga and, by extension, Ayurveda), I might be able to offer a little perspective.

First off, it's better to view these as complementary rather than "alternative." If something works well enough to reduce your need for medical intervention, let your doctor handle the tapering.

Also, don't go looking for miracles. Most serious chronic conditions—physical or mental—don't just vanish overnight, nor do they have magic bullets. Just because someone finds a solution that feels like a miracle doesn't mean it will work for everyone facing the same issue. Instead of buying into every pitch and marketing hype (which everyone does, though the alternative industry has much less professional accountability), it’s best to just experiment and see what actually fits your life. Trial and error is often one of the most useful tools we have.

Regarding what you mentioned, I’ve had good experiences with Ayurveda, though finding a decent doctor, quality therapy, and reliable supplements isn't easy. In New York City, I’d honestly recommend seeking out an experienced specialist in a dedicated center rather than someone who’s just dabbling in it, IMO.

Instead of bioenergetics, I’d suggest looking into hypnosis. I might be wrong here, but I get the impression that a lot of bioenergetic work is closely tied to suggestion. In fact, it’s very similar to mesmerism, which eventually evolved into modern hypnosis once people realized it was about suggestion rather than actual "mystical forces." The fear surrounding it is largely unfounded, mostly fueled by media portrayals that make it seem more intense than it really is. In reality, it’s just a tool that manipulates natural daily mechanisms and states—much like any other psychotherapy—just by placing a heavier emphasis on certain aspects of the process. The idea that people are being unconsciously manipulated is mostly an urban myth; it's not quite like that.
The most important thing to remember is that there are trained psychotherapists, psychologists, and psychiatrists who utilize these techniques. It isn't as "alternative" as it sounds; in fact, it's probably the closest thing to mainstream practice, using many of the same mechanisms—consciously or unconsciously—that alternative practitioners use, but without the manipulation or the mysticism.

Regarding yoga, meditation, or trance states—like staring at a candle flame—I’d suggest being cautious here. I’ve seen plenty of cases where yoga didn't actually help, but instead caused issues for people who seemed perfectly healthy at the start. There is a big difference between using these things for spiritual growth versus therapeutic health. Take fasting, for example. Some spiritual groups use it to the point of exhaustion, or even death. It might be due to theological ideals, or perhaps they're chasing a specific mental state, where pushing too hard can mess with your consciousness. But if your actual goal is physical health, these extremes are rarely useful. In most cases, it’s healthier to just focus on eating well.

For instance, when you look at trance practices in certain spiritual traditions, they often involve staring fixedly for massive stretches of time. On the other hand, I’ve heard from some practitioners of holistic medicine in India that they limit it to just a few minutes. Then there are practices that mandate celibacy as a prerequisite, sometimes involving specific muscle contractions to control ejaculation. Meanwhile, traditional Ayurvedic texts (specifically regarding the latter) can view such things as potentially harmful. Ultimately, no single method or technique is inherently good or bad. It all depends on the intention, the individual, their current health, and their underlying predispositions.
If you’re doing yoga for health reasons, make sure your instructors understand that context. Most importantly, watch out for overly intense spiritual organizations. When religious fervor kicks in, people tend to lose objectivity; they'll believe whatever the guru says, and "going with the flow" becomes a convenient way to solve every life problem. This is especially dangerous when they push through pain or setbacks by labeling them as "cleansing." Usually, calling something a "cleansing" is just a way to rationalize a belief system when it hits a wall of reality—it's basically just cognitive dissonance.

Edit: One more thing—while you can combine things like yoga, hypnosis, or bioenergy with almost anything (though even that is debatable), you have to be much more careful with supplements and medications. People often assume herbal remedies are completely harmless, thinking they'll either work or do nothing, and that they won't interfere with "official" medical treatments.
But that isn't the case. Nothing exists in a vacuum; everything we do affects everything else. The conventional medications you take can significantly alter how herbal remedies work, and vice versa. We don't live two parallel lives with two independent treatment tracks, so we need to account for those interactions. It’s not always easy, though, because the qualifications of people practicing unregulated methods like Ayurveda can be questionable. Since these practices and substances aren't standard in the US, I’m not even sure how accurately a local doctor could predict potential interactions.

It’s also true that progress takes time, especially when you're trying to overhaul everything from the ground up. You can't fix your physical condition overnight. If you start a perfect diet and exercise routine tomorrow, you won't be in peak shape by next week. You have to give your body space to adapt, build new habits, or even repair tissue. This isn't an area where we should be looking for a "magic pill" in any form. We can find real, high-quality help, but only if we're willing to roll up our sleeves and change our lifestyle to better handle whatever life throws at us.
Jeremy Alvarez5 Jeremy Alvarez5 Active Member
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wiredskipper45 said:Yeah, everything you’re saying tracks. But I already know why I am the way I am. It was a massive trauma right on the edge of puberty—losing two people in my immediate family before I hit eighteen, one of whom was my sister. She took her own life. I never actually went through the grieving process; I just got stuck in denial and eventually developed BPD. Now, I live with this constant, paralyzing fear of losing people. On paper, though? Everything is fine. My life is actually pretty dialed in right now. I’m knocking on wood here, but I have a wonderful kid, an amazing boyfriend, a supportive family, a house, a career... but inside, it’s just total chaos. :/

A muscle test?! Never heard of it. I'll have to go dig around and see what's what. 😁
Thanks anyway.

In a way, I guess you could say I both have and don't have these oscillating temperaments. Everything is constantly shifting, right? We all face the end eventually, we gain things, we lose them... It's all just one big web of dependencies. I mean, we don't even truly "own" ourselves; we're just part of this loop involving the oxygen we breathe and everything else...

Setting all that aside 🙂 , the real question is how those oscillations play out in the tiny details of our relationships. To me, panic attacks feel less like a fear of loss and more like a fear that everything will just stay exactly the same forever. I suppose I agree with the idea that every living thing craves happiness and pleasure, but those things usually exist outside our comfort zones. So, there's this tug-of-war where one part of us tries to cling tightly to what we have in our hands while staring longingly at the bird in the tree...

Generally speaking, I've kind of gathered the impression that psychoanalysis is often a bit of a miss... I think what people are actually afraid of is the unknown—that massive pile of non-verbal data we're constantly absorbing that triggers these anxious feelings. As for alternative approaches, they often just end up being the opposite extreme, which leads to a whole different kind of frustration. If you want to see the bigger picture, I guess you need some level of self-control over your emotions during those messy moments when all that sensory input hits you at once. Maybe the way out is through dispersing your perception... So, if I were to suggest anything, it would be exploring the untapped potential of your own senses. It’s about staying conscious of more than just your thoughts—like your breathing, your fine motor skills, your gestures, or even the atmosphere surrounding you when certain moods kick in. Standard mindfulness exercises are good too, I guess, especially if you realize they change how you perceive yourself. It’s about building up the capacity to handle the bad stuff better, and more importantly, giving yourself the chance to enjoy the good times more deeply and creatively.

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