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High School Guide: Admissions, reviews, and advice

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hiddendriver34 hiddendriver34 Regular
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#641 ·
Michael Lee75 said:Has anyone here actually gone through the Goldman Sachs program at an elite prep school? Or maybe you know a kid or a parent who survived the whole thing? I’m looking for honest feedback—the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Here’s the situation: my son is currently navigating the high school application process, finishing up his final year of middle school, and he’s been fixated on nothing but this specific program. He’s convinced it’s his only path because he wants to study abroad, and honestly, he acts like any other local public high school wouldn't even be worth his time. He passed the entrance exams and made the cut, but now, suddenly, he’s having second thoughts.

The part that really sticks in my craw is one of the reasons he’s wavering. He mentioned that the kids in that program are all from these incredibly wealthy families—he saw a few of them during the registration and entrance process, and they were already talking about $300 sneakers and stuff like that. It just feels like a different world.

His other concern is more practical: apparently, you have to maintain a certain GPA by the end of sophomore year, and if you don't hit that mark, you're essentially kicked out of the program. That’s definitely enough to make anyone hesitate.
As for the school itself, I don't particularly care; I’ve been telling him all along that a solid, standard American high school might actually be the smarter move. I mostly said that to soften the blow in case he didn't get in, so he wouldn't view it as some life-altering tragedy, but the reality is you can still get into great universities from a regular school, and it’s a much more affordable option. Still, I don't want him to abandon his ambitions just because he's feeling intimidated or uncertain.

Maybe this is just one of those cases where what you think you want isn't actually what you need, and perhaps he doesn't truly need this specific program after all. There’s a massive gap between dreaming about something and actually living it. I’m not going to force his hand—he picked these schools himself and he’s setting his own priorities—but he has two days left to make a call, so I figured I should try to find some real-world examples of kids who actually completed the program.

So, if anyone has any actual wisdom to share, I'm all ears.

Salambo, if I were in your shoes, I’d try to nudge him toward enrolling. It feels a bit silly to abandon a long-term goal just because of a few conversations outside the school building. And let’s be real: even in a standard public school, you’re going to have kids wearing $300 sneakers (and plenty of others daydreaming about them)🤣, even if they aren't quite as concentrated in an IB program.

Since it’s a specialized program, the tuition means it attracts families who can afford it. Sure, you’ll see some wealthy kids, but you’ll also see middle-class families who make sacrifices just to give their child this opportunity. It’s not like everyone there comes from old money.

I personally know a guy who finished the IB program in Miami a couple of years ago. He transferred there during his sophomore year from a regular public school. His parents weren't wealthy at all, and after graduation, he went off to a great university in Washington, D.C.

He made the switch because he felt like he was just an average student in the public school system and felt his skills weren't being recognized. Even in the IB program, he was still a pretty average student, but he was way more satisfied there. The workload is intense and the assignments are demanding, but it feels like the work is much more productive. They don't waste nearly as much time on fluff compared to what you see in a typical state school.

One downside is that the curriculum isn't tailored to standard American standardized testing, so you might need extra prep if you plan on staying local for college, but since your son wants to go abroad anyway, that probably won't even matter.
Robert Nelson8 Robert Nelson8 Member
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#642 ·
I could use some clarification here... I've tried calling the help desk and sending emails, but I haven't heard back from anyone. My child actually has a date with someone from the local high school later today, so I might just ask them then. But if any of you happen to know—when applying for the program, he had to list English as his first language priority, and German as his second (since that school offers German along with several other languages).
The system wouldn't let him proceed until he entered German in that field.
He meets all the requirements for both since he studied them in elementary school.
However, he really doesn't want to keep studying German in high school.
What happens now that it's listed on his application?
A few of his classmates are in the exact same boat and are feeling pretty anxious about this 🕺
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#643 ·
Hey everyone, let's try to keep things on track and stick to the main topic, please!
placiddrifter placiddrifter Newcomer
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#644 ·
All she needs to do is clear out the second priority for the primary foreign language setting and hit save. Once the system refreshes in about an hour, it should be completely wiped from the records.
Robert Nelson8 Robert Nelson8 Member
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#645 ·
placiddrifter said:All she needs to do is clear out the second priority for the primary foreign language setting and hit save. Once the system refreshes in about an hour, it should be completely wiped from the records.

Thanks so much for the reply 😉 I did exactly that.
mellowskipper mellowskipper Regular
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#646 ·
87 points . Talk about overachievers. I mean—this is honestly a whole new level of ridiculousness
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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#647 ·
mellowskipper said:87 points . Talk about overachievers. I mean—this is honestly a whole new level of ridiculousness

The PM track at University I has actually been using entrance exams for years now, and honestly, getting in there is tougher than getting into Scripps Institution of Oceanography since they only take about 26 students per year. So, that whole thing about having a potential 10-point cushion from an entrance exam? It just doesn't hold up
mellowskipper mellowskipper Regular
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#648 ·
Michelle Nelson4 said:The PM track at University I has actually been using entrance exams for years now, and honestly, getting in there is tougher than getting into Scripps Institution of Oceanography since they only take about 26 students per year. So, that whole thing about having a potential 10-point cushion from an entrance exam? It just doesn't hold up

But the text clearly mentions five zeros and extra credit points. Even if we assume those were exam scores, someone walking in with a 4 on their standardized tests isn't exactly going to be cutting it—they'll be completely out of their depth. They just aren't good enough...
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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#649 ·
If everyone had a flat 5.0, we’d probably just round everything to the nearest whole number or a .5 increment. But since these tiny decimals represent an overall GPA average, you end up with someone who occasionally pulled a B instead of an A. Honestly, I feel like this article is pretty superficial and likely inaccurate.

Just looking at the math, if a student gets one B in PE every year through all four years of high school, while maintaining straight As in everything else, they’d end up with 19.65 points from their general GPA and 60 points from core subjects. That puts their average at 79.65, which then gets added to whatever points they earn from entrance exams, competitions, or sports...
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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#650 ·
says the enrolled students averaged around 79.65 points. Which basically means some scored higher and some lower than that—it's not like everyone who missed the mark just got left out in the cold without a chance.
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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#651 ·
You’re absolutely right, that’s just the average. It’s actually quite interesting—I was under the impression that knowing the lowest score that still qualifies would be much more critical information for us to have.
Looking at the table they published, you can't actually see the individual grades, though I highly doubt they were all perfect 4.0s.

Here is the actual data table
https://www.collegeboard.org/news/updates/more-points-for-more-students
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#652 ·
Michelle Nelson4 said:You’re absolutely right, that’s just the average. It’s actually quite interesting—I was under the impression that knowing the lowest score that still qualifies would be much more critical information for us to have.
Looking at the table they published, you can't actually see the individual grades, though I highly doubt they were all perfect 4.0s.

Here is the actual data table
https://www.collegeboard.org/news/updates/more-points-for-more-students

Basically, if you've got a 74, you're pretty much screwed and won't get into any decent school.🤦
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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#653 ·
For example, let's say the score was x. The minimum requirement for enrollment sat at 78.83, while the average according to the table was 79.76—meaning there’s only about a one-point gap between the baseline and the average. I'd imagine that for those specialized prep schools with entrance exams, you see a much wider range of scores like that...
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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#654 ·
Larry Walker24 said:Basically, if you've got a 74, you're pretty much screwed and won't get into any decent school.🤦

Maybe someone could draft an entrance exam worth 10 points... though I have to admit, that sounds incredibly difficult. It’s a bit tough to really break this down without seeing the full breakdown—you know, like the minimums, the maximums, how many points each grade actually carries, and which specific credits fall under extra credit versus what's strictly part of the entrance exam itself.
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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#655 ·
At the end of the day, whether you're looking at the flaws in the school system itself or just the crushing pressure parents put on their kids, it doesn't really matter who's holding the smoking gun. When you look at the current mess with grading standards and college admissions, the bottom line is that the situation has become completely unmanageable, and honestly, it feels like this cycle is just going to keep spinning indefinitely...
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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#656 ·
Larry Walker24 said:Basically, if you've got a 74, you're pretty much screwed and won't get into any decent school.🤦

So, I was digging through some data earlier—just one of those rabbit holes you fall down when you can't sleep—and I stumbled upon this list. It’s basically a breakdown of the top 20 high schools in the entire US based on their students' average test scores. It's pretty wild how much of a gap there is between some of these places and others... anyway, here it is.
Honestly, there are over twenty different high schools in a city like Chicago—and you know how competitive things get around here—so I’m pretty sure that kid with the 74 score is going to find a great spot somewhere. There's always a place for them, really.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#657 ·
Sarah Hall53 said:So, I was digging through some data earlier—just one of those rabbit holes you fall down when you can't sleep—and I stumbled upon this list. It’s basically a breakdown of the top 20 high schools in the entire US based on their students' average test scores. It's pretty wild how much of a gap there is between some of these places and others... anyway, here it is.
Honestly, there are over twenty different high schools in a city like Chicago—and you know how competitive things get around here—so I’m pretty sure that kid with the 74 score is going to find a great spot somewhere. There's always a place for them, really.

and yeah, you're right.
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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#658 ·
In NYC, there were really only two public high schools that had an entry cutoff below 74 last year—the Ninth and the Twelfth (honestly, I can't even remember where they're located!)
plus those specialized dual-language programs in French and German, though you have to pass a language proficiency exam to get into those. Every other school had a cutoff higher than 74 points.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#659 ·
Michelle Nelson4 said:In NYC, there were really only two public high schools that had an entry cutoff below 74 last year—the Ninth and the Twelfth (honestly, I can't even remember where they're located!)
plus those specialized dual-language programs in French and German, though you have to pass a language proficiency exam to get into those. Every other school had a cutoff higher than 74 points.

The 9th is over in Brooklyn and the 12th is out in Queens.

That classic school everyone seems to be talking about lately also had a cutoff under 74.
Both the freshman and junior tracks.
Actually, I heard the junior track was accepting students with scores as low as 60, or maybe that’s just a typo in the records? 🤔
Peter Rogers Peter Rogers Active Member
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#660 ·
Larry Walker24 said:Basically, if you've got a 74, you're pretty much screwed and won't get into any decent school.🤦

Look, we aren't even talking about every single school out there, we're just looking at the top 20 most competitive institutions in the country.

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