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rowdypanther12 said:I’m being completely serious here. Go ahead and enroll—if you can keep up with the curriculum, great; if not, you can always switch to a less demanding school.
The same goes for universities.
Education should be accessible to anyone who actually wants it.
rowdypanther12 said:Well, if my mom hadn't been able to afford community college, I would've been one of those cases.
The system makes it so tough because balancing work and college while trying to be independent is brutal. And now, let's say the way credits transfer makes working while studying almost impossible. 🤷
Sure, anything is possible—if a girl living on the streets managed to get into Harvard, then hey, we can all major in molecular biology while working a shift at Target.
But let's be real: a kid who falls behind in elementary school—whether it’s due to puberty, being too playful, bullying, or any other reason under the sun—faces massive, often insurmountable obstacles.
rowdypanther12 said:That’s actually why I think this approach works better—having one bad year only account for 25% instead of 50% feels much fairer.
Personally, I would have preferred being judged on my junior and senior years, where I barely scraped by with a C, rather than just looking at my freshman year and my later grades where I really struggled.😂
But honestly, there should be a way for students to pivot whenever they want. If they realize their current path isn't working, they should be able to switch majors and head in a new direction if they have the drive.
It used to feel like there was more flexibility here to balance school with a job, which gave people a real chance to pursue an education or change careers even into their 30s, no matter how tough things got.
With the way the current credit system is set up, that kind of work-study balance is pretty much gone.
rowdypanther12 said:Man, if I’d just been among those top four students with all those honor roll certificates and awards, things might have gone differently 😂
I'm mostly kidding, but honestly, back in high school, I saw firsthand what happens when you mess up at thirteen or fourteen. And while Nicholas King says he doesn't really know which kids end up ruining their own prospects, I actually know quite a few. Even more than that, I know plenty of people who had parents who made some poor life choices early on, leading them to enroll in schools they didn't even have the grades for—but then those kids actually pulled themselves together during high school and started working hard.
(I don't love the phrase "ruining your future" because life is about so much more than just a career or a job, but it definitely limits your options and narrows your path)
rowdypanther12 said:What about the three-year programs? And do you honestly think a 15 or 16-year-old is capable of teaching themselves advanced placement material? 😕Especially subjects their specific school doesn't even offer. 🤷
We shouldn't just ignore the problem, but we shouldn't create a barrier that almost nobody can overcome either.
And why couldn't everyone go to a preparatory academy if they wanted to? 🤷
That’s how it used to be a long time ago. If someone wants to try, let them, and if they can't hack it, they can switch to a less demanding school later.
Besides, not everyone wants to aim for a top-tier academy anyway. 🤷
David Palmer5 said:That just isn't accurate.
Part-time degree programs exist at almost every major university, and students who are actually out there working don't have the exact same workload requirements as the kids living on campus full-time.
Actually, I see even more cases where they end up stuck in a prep school that's way over their heads, and that's when things really go south.
The truth is, there have never been "open door" policies for elite academies or universities without some kind of standard.
I honestly wonder how that would play out in practice...
You'd essentially have to double the number of grade levels, so where exactly would you put all these students?
Or, imagine a classroom where you have 15 driven students who actually want to learn and have clear goals, mixed with another 15 who are just messing around and making life miserable for the first group, simply because... well, they wanted to give it a shot. 🤷
And what do you think happens to the kids who get into a highly competitive school only to realize they aren't quite cut out for it—whether it's due to ability or effort? We can't treat children like they're toys.
I don't know about you all, but I am completely over this constant, relentless complaining. Is there anything more exhausting than being surrounded by people who find a way to be miserable about absolutely everything? It’s like some people have made a full-time career out of finding the cloud in every silver lining. Does anyone actually get anything done when they're busy venting about every minor inconvenience, or are we all just circling the drain together? Honestly, it’s getting old. kaže:
Sure, you can graduate from high school and still be an idiot. But what’s the endgame there? You walk across that stage, grab the diploma, and then what? Does the paper somehow fix the lack of common sense? It doesn't. If you finish school without actually learning how to think, where does that leave you?
I can't even begin to wrap my head around this one. Seriously, what are we actually doing here? kaže:
You can go through the motions, get that degree, and walk across the stage—but don't expect that to make you any sharper than you were on day one. Is a diploma really a badge of intelligence, or just proof you can follow instructions?
I don't know about you all, but I’m feeling pretty burnt out by the sheer amount of noise lately. Is it just me, or does everything feel like a constant, exhausting uphill battle? It feels like we're all just running on a treadmill that keeps speeding up while the air gets thinner. Does anyone else feel this sense of total depletion, or am I just losing my grip? kaže:
So, you can just register the ones who showed lower numbers on the fax, but the ones who actually performed better? How does that even make sense?
I can't believe I'm actually sitting here typing this out. Is anyone else feeling this? It’s like we’re all just collectively walking through a fog, waiting for something—anything—to actually make sense again. Does anyone else feel that heavy, restless weight in their chest lately? It’s exhausting. Truly. kaže:
Of course, there’s always that certain crowd—the ones who decided to take the long way around, or worse, just headed off in the wrong direction entirely from the very start. Why does it always seem to be the same pattern?
Nobody is claiming that everyone scoring a 4 or lower on their security clearance exams is inherently stupid. But let’s be honest—doesn't some level of rigorous selection have to happen?
I don't know about you all, but I’m feeling pretty exhausted lately. Is it just me, or does it feel like everything is constantly pushing us to our limit? It’s getting harder and harder to stay optimistic when it feels like we're just spinning our wheels. Does anyone else feel this way, or am I just losing my edge? kaže:
So, what exactly was the point of that? What were you actually trying to get at?
He went to school, put in the work, and actually mastered his craft. He’s a damn good professional now. So, what was the point of all that? Should he have just skipped the degree and gone straight into the field? Or is there something more to it than that?
Look, it’s obvious you have to actually use what you know. Being an expert in your field essentially means putting that knowledge into practice every single day. But let’s be real for a second—before you ever get the chance to actually do the work, you still have to grind through high school and survive college exams just to get the credentials. Isn't that just the way it works?
Rachel Jones8 said:You got it wrong.I agree laziness and neglect lead to ruin, but I still maintain you don't need to be a genius to graduate high school, nor does graduating make you some kind of mastermind.
But can't someone just be dumb, finish high school, and stay just as dumb... so what?
You can even finish college without being super smart. You just can't get people into certain universities if they didn't perform well earlier, while those who did perform better get in.I know plenty of people who went to vocational school and then turned out to be way more skilled and sharper at college or on the job than the kids from prep schools.
Sure, there are always people taking the long or difficult route.
Nobody's claiming that kids passing middle school with straight A's are necessarily geniuses... but some kind of selection process has to happen.I also know a few tradesmen (three-year programs), specifically my neighbor who's a carpenter—he could honestly put both prep school grads and vocational students to shame (myself included). The guy had one year of geometry in school, but he knows how to actually apply it, which is the real deal. Unlike the bookworms (whether they're vocational or prep school types), he actually uses what he learned, and applying knowledge is what matters most when you want to compete in the workforce (even if employers don't appreciate it).
And what was your point there?
The guy picked a trade, became an expert at it, and is a great craftsman. Was he supposed to go the academic route instead, or what?
Obviously, you have to apply what you know... and being good at your job means applying that knowledge. But to finish high school and college, you still have to study and pass exams.I think parents push their kids toward prep schools because someone shoved the idea in their heads that it's the only way to success, making them think their kid will become a superstar instantly, but they're wrong.
Kids should be allowed to decide which school they want to attend. Once they make a choice, parents should support them, offer advice, and maybe even help them pivot to a different path if needed.
Yeah, all parents are clueless.
It doesn't occur to them that the kids are often the ones choosing the prep school route—either because they can (they have the grades) or because they have no idea what else to do.
Rachel Jones8 said:You got it wrong.I agree laziness and neglect lead to ruin, but I still maintain you don't need to be a genius to graduate high school, nor does graduating make you some kind of mastermind.
But can't someone just be dumb, finish high school, and stay just as dumb... so what?
You can even finish college without being super smart. You just can't get people into certain universities if they didn't perform well earlier, while those who did perform better get in.I know plenty of people who went to vocational school and then turned out to be way more skilled and sharper at college or on the job than the kids from prep schools.
Sure, there are always people taking the long or difficult route.
Nobody's claiming that kids passing middle school with straight A's are necessarily geniuses... but some kind of selection process has to happen.I also know a few tradesmen (three-year programs), specifically my neighbor who's a carpenter—he could honestly put both prep school grads and vocational students to shame (myself included). The guy had one year of geometry in school, but he knows how to actually apply it, which is the real deal. Unlike the bookworms (whether they're vocational or prep school types), he actually uses what he learned, and applying knowledge is what matters most when you want to compete in the workforce (even if employers don't appreciate it).
And what was your point there?
The guy picked a trade, became an expert at it, and is a great craftsman. Was he supposed to go the academic route instead, or what?
Obviously, you have to apply what you know... and being good at your job means applying that knowledge. But to finish high school and college, you still have to study and pass exams.I think parents push their kids toward prep schools because someone shoved the idea in their heads that it's the only way to success, making them think their kid will become a superstar instantly, but they're wrong.
Kids should be allowed to decide which school they want to attend. Once they make a choice, parents should support them, offer advice, and maybe even help them pivot to a different path if needed.
Yeah, all parents are clueless.
It doesn't occur to them that the kids are often the ones choosing the prep school route—either because they can (they have the grades) or because they have no idea what else to do.
Rachel Jones8 said:You got it wrong.I agree laziness and neglect lead to ruin, but I still maintain you don't need to be a genius to graduate high school, nor does graduating make you some kind of mastermind.
But can't someone just be dumb, finish high school, and stay just as dumb... so what?
You can even finish college without being super smart. You just can't get people into certain universities if they didn't perform well earlier, while those who did perform better get in.I know plenty of people who went to vocational school and then turned out to be way more skilled and sharper at college or on the job than the kids from prep schools.
Sure, there are always people taking the long or difficult route.
Nobody's claiming that kids passing middle school with straight A's are necessarily geniuses... but some kind of selection process has to happen.I also know a few tradesmen (three-year programs), specifically my neighbor who's a carpenter—he could honestly put both prep school grads and vocational students to shame (myself included). The guy had one year of geometry in school, but he knows how to actually apply it, which is the real deal. Unlike the bookworms (whether they're vocational or prep school types), he actually uses what he learned, and applying knowledge is what matters most when you want to compete in the workforce (even if employers don't appreciate it).
And what was your point there?
The guy picked a trade, became an expert at it, and is a great craftsman. Was he supposed to go the academic route instead, or what?
Obviously, you have to apply what you know... and being good at your job means applying that knowledge. But to finish high school and college, you still have to study and pass exams.I think parents push their kids toward prep schools because someone shoved the idea in their heads that it's the only way to success, making them think their kid will become a superstar instantly, but they're wrong.
Kids should be allowed to decide which school they want to attend. Once they make a choice, parents should support them, offer advice, and maybe even help them pivot to a different path if needed.
Yeah, all parents are clueless.
It doesn't occur to them that the kids are often the ones choosing the prep school route—either because they can (they have the grades) or because they have no idea what else to do.
goldenjackal43 said:See, there’s the double standard. You argue that someone can excel in a trade school and that prep schools aren't the only path to success, yet you seem to treat graduates from those elite academies as if they are one monolithic, superior group.
The reality is this: if someone successfully navigates a rigorous preparatory academy, they possess a certain baseline level of intelligence compared to the average student. It doesn't mean they are a genius, nor does it mean they are inherently smarter than everyone in a technical program, but if they can handle that academic workload, they could likely manage most vocational curricula as well (granted, there are niche trades requiring highly specific talents). The reverse isn't necessarily true, though I suspect a significant number of talented trade students could succeed in a top-tier prep school if they applied themselves accordingly.I also know several master craftsmen—people who finished three-year programs—and I’m thinking specifically of my neighbor, a carpenter, whose skills could put both prep school grads and trade specialists alike to shame (myself included).
Fair enough. On the flip side, I know one particular prep school graduate who could make any trade specialist, any vocational instructor, and even most academy professors look incompetent by comparison. I hope you see now why these individual anecdotes are completely irrelevant to the core of this discussion.
goldenjackal43 said:See, there’s the double standard. You argue that someone can excel in a trade school and that prep schools aren't the only path to success, yet you seem to treat graduates from those elite academies as if they are one monolithic, superior group.
The reality is this: if someone successfully navigates a rigorous preparatory academy, they possess a certain baseline level of intelligence compared to the average student. It doesn't mean they are a genius, nor does it mean they are inherently smarter than everyone in a technical program, but if they can handle that academic workload, they could likely manage most vocational curricula as well (granted, there are niche trades requiring highly specific talents). The reverse isn't necessarily true, though I suspect a significant number of talented trade students could succeed in a top-tier prep school if they applied themselves accordingly.I also know several master craftsmen—people who finished three-year programs—and I’m thinking specifically of my neighbor, a carpenter, whose skills could put both prep school grads and trade specialists alike to shame (myself included).
Fair enough. On the flip side, I know one particular prep school graduate who could make any trade specialist, any vocational instructor, and even most academy professors look incompetent by comparison. I hope you see now why these individual anecdotes are completely irrelevant to the core of this discussion.
goldenjackal43 said:See, there’s the double standard. You argue that someone can excel in a trade school and that prep schools aren't the only path to success, yet you seem to treat graduates from those elite academies as if they are one monolithic, superior group.
The reality is this: if someone successfully navigates a rigorous preparatory academy, they possess a certain baseline level of intelligence compared to the average student. It doesn't mean they are a genius, nor does it mean they are inherently smarter than everyone in a technical program, but if they can handle that academic workload, they could likely manage most vocational curricula as well (granted, there are niche trades requiring highly specific talents). The reverse isn't necessarily true, though I suspect a significant number of talented trade students could succeed in a top-tier prep school if they applied themselves accordingly.I also know several master craftsmen—people who finished three-year programs—and I’m thinking specifically of my neighbor, a carpenter, whose skills could put both prep school grads and trade specialists alike to shame (myself included).
Fair enough. On the flip side, I know one particular prep school graduate who could make any trade specialist, any vocational instructor, and even most academy professors look incompetent by comparison. I hope you see now why these individual anecdotes are completely irrelevant to the core of this discussion.
goldenjackal43 said:See, there’s the double standard. You argue that someone can excel in a trade school and that prep schools aren't the only path to success, yet you seem to treat graduates from those elite academies as if they are one monolithic, superior group.
The reality is this: if someone successfully navigates a rigorous preparatory academy, they possess a certain baseline level of intelligence compared to the average student. It doesn't mean they are a genius, nor does it mean they are inherently smarter than everyone in a technical program, but if they can handle that academic workload, they could likely manage most vocational curricula as well (granted, there are niche trades requiring highly specific talents). The reverse isn't necessarily true, though I suspect a significant number of talented trade students could succeed in a top-tier prep school if they applied themselves accordingly.I also know several master craftsmen—people who finished three-year programs—and I’m thinking specifically of my neighbor, a carpenter, whose skills could put both prep school grads and trade specialists alike to shame (myself included).
Fair enough. On the flip side, I know one particular prep school graduate who could make any trade specialist, any vocational instructor, and even most academy professors look incompetent by comparison. I hope you see now why these individual anecdotes are completely irrelevant to the core of this discussion.
goldenjackal43 said:alhidada, the correlation between test scores and intelligence sits at roughly 0.5.
The truly elite prep schools are defined by their performance on standardized exams, their success in academic competitions, and the sheer number of points required to secure an enrollment spot—though while the official cutoff might be around a 58, anyone worth their salt knows the real threshold is closer to a 60 or 61. These are the external metrics that ultimately define what makes a top-tier academy.
goldenjackal43 said:alhidada, the correlation between test scores and intelligence sits at roughly 0.5.
The truly elite prep schools are defined by their performance on standardized exams, their success in academic competitions, and the sheer number of points required to secure an enrollment spot—though while the official cutoff might be around a 58, anyone worth their salt knows the real threshold is closer to a 60 or 61. These are the external metrics that ultimately define what makes a top-tier academy.
Dana Diaz8 said:I don't know about you all, but I am completely over this constant, relentless complaining. Is there anything more exhausting than being surrounded by people who find a way to be miserable about absolutely everything? It’s like some people have made a full-time career out of finding the cloud in every silver lining. Does anyone actually get anything done when they're busy venting about every minor inconvenience, or are we all just circling the drain together? Honestly, it’s getting old. kaže:
Sure, you can graduate from high school and still be an idiot. But what’s the endgame there? You walk across that stage, grab the diploma, and then what? Does the paper somehow fix the lack of common sense? It doesn't. If you finish school without actually learning how to think, where does that leave you?
They’re going to stay ignorant for the rest of their lives—it’s that simple. But what’s truly pathetic is watching someone like that climb into a position of power, only to use it to step on the people who actually earned their way through grit and hard work. Is that really how the world is supposed to function?I can't even begin to wrap my head around this one. Seriously, what are we actually doing here? kaže:
You can go through the motions, get that degree, and walk across the stage—but don't expect that to make you any sharper than you were on day one. Is a diploma really a badge of intelligence, or just proof you can follow instructions?
Sure thing.I don't know about you all, but I’m feeling pretty burnt out by the sheer amount of noise lately. Is it just me, or does everything feel like a constant, exhausting uphill battle? It feels like we're all just running on a treadmill that keeps speeding up while the air gets thinner. Does anyone else feel this sense of total depletion, or am I just losing my grip? kaže:
So, you can just register the ones who showed lower numbers on the fax, but the ones who actually performed better? How does that even make sense?
So, let me get this straight: if you graduate from a vocational school, you’re essentially barred from higher education right out of the gate? You’re somehow deemed "lesser than" from day one? It implies that students coming out of traditional prep schools should get first dibs on university spots, while those from trade programs are left to scramble for whatever crumbs are tossed their way. Is that really how we want to structure our workforce? Does it actually make sense to tell someone who has mastered a specific skill that their path is blocked before they even start?I can't believe I'm actually sitting here typing this out. Is anyone else feeling this? It’s like we’re all just collectively walking through a fog, waiting for something—anything—to actually make sense again. Does anyone else feel that heavy, restless weight in their chest lately? It’s exhausting. Truly. kaže:
Of course, there’s always that certain crowd—the ones who decided to take the long way around, or worse, just headed off in the wrong direction entirely from the very start. Why does it always seem to be the same pattern?
Nobody is claiming that everyone scoring a 4 or lower on their security clearance exams is inherently stupid. But let’s be honest—doesn't some level of rigorous selection have to happen?
So, people who walk away with five figures in extra cash are suddenly considered geniuses? Give me a break. Unless we're talking about the rare outliers, most of them just got lucky. Or maybe they just knew which way the wind was blowing. Is it actual brilliance, or just being in the right place at the right time? I'll give credit to the exceptions, but let's not pretend everyone hitting that jackpot is some kind of mastermind.I don't know about you all, but I’m feeling pretty exhausted lately. Is it just me, or does it feel like everything is constantly pushing us to our limit? It’s getting harder and harder to stay optimistic when it feels like we're just spinning our wheels. Does anyone else feel this way, or am I just losing my edge? kaže:
So, what exactly was the point of that? What were you actually trying to get at?
He went to school, put in the work, and actually mastered his craft. He’s a damn good professional now. So, what was the point of all that? Should he have just skipped the degree and gone straight into the field? Or is there something more to it than that?
Look, it’s obvious you have to actually use what you know. Being an expert in your field essentially means putting that knowledge into practice every single day. But let’s be real for a second—before you ever get the chance to actually do the work, you still have to grind through high school and survive college exams just to get the credentials. Isn't that just the way it works?
There’s a massive difference between actually knowing how to use what you’ve learned and being one of today’s mindless grinders who just memorizes everything only to forget it all within a week. Rare exceptions exist, of course.
It’s specifically those parents who have convinced themselves that forcing their kid into a prestigious prep school is some kind of magic ticket to success.
Those are the rare exceptions I’m talking about. Those kids actually use their own heads, so they’ll likely get into the academy they want, graduate, and then head off to a top-tier university through sheer grit and actual intelligence.
Now, these are the typical "honor roll" types—the ones who are essentially empty vessels, whose parents have brainwashed them into thinking a fancy private high school is mandatory just because they managed to pull straight A's through middle school.
So you can't just fax over the low numbers and ignore the high ones? Makes sense, right?
So, people hitting those five-figure salaries think they're geniuses now? I guess we can make an exception for the outliers.
Those are exactly the exceptions I’m talking about. Kids like that? They're gonna crush it. They actually use their heads, so they'll breeze right into their dream college and graduate on their own merit. Who wouldn't want to be one of them?
Look at these straight-A nerds. They’re basically just mindless drones whose parents probably pushed them into high school prep because they haven't missed a single question since elementary school. Is that even living?
Chloe Rodriguez74 said:discussion results
Parents and teachers are losing it over the proposal to cut two extra points for students graduating from dance and music academies when applying to high school. Instead, only one point would go to kids aiming for arts schools. Meanwhile, student athletes can still rack up points for any school application. Students taking first, second, or third place in national or international competitions earn between one and three points, while winning first place at the state level earns them one extra point.
Rachel Jones8 said:How'd you manage to pull such a heavy conclusion out of thin air?
Read that again.So you can't just fax over the low numbers and ignore the high ones? Makes sense, right?
So if a specialist ends up with lower grades or a worse GPA... basically fewer points on the board... what happens then?
Should I go with him or the high school grad with more points? Or maybe that other vocational student who's scoring higher?
What crumbs are you even talking about? If someone actually puts in the work and proves themselves with high SAT scores and solid grades... does it even matter which high school they went to? At least for now.So, people hitting those five-figure salaries think they're geniuses now? I guess we can make an exception for the outliers.
Not necessarily... they actually want to learn. Unless we're talking about those participation trophies? Look, I was smart too... but what could I do if I wasn't getting straight As mostly because I was just lazy?Those are exactly the exceptions I’m talking about. Kids like that? They're gonna crush it. They actually use their heads, so they'll breeze right into their dream college and graduate on their own merit. Who wouldn't want to be one of them?
Nah, they aren't. It's mostly just kids who breeze through middle school with straight A's but don't actually care about any specific career path... so they just end up in prep school?Look at these straight-A nerds. They’re basically just mindless drones whose parents probably pushed them into high school prep because they haven't missed a single question since elementary school. Is that even living?
They aren't... they’re just normal kids pulling straight As in their graded classes. Some of it’s luck, some is hard work, but honestly, everyone else is doing worse—even if you just look at their behavior. You don't have to be some total overachiever to walk out of middle school with those 60 points plus extra credit for conduct, right?
They aren't stupid, and it’s not like their parents shoved anything specific down their throats. They just don't have a clue where they're headed, even though they've got the chance to go to a good prep school. Isn't that just how it goes?
Rachel Jones8 said:How'd you manage to pull such a heavy conclusion out of thin air?
Read that again.So you can't just fax over the low numbers and ignore the high ones? Makes sense, right?
So if a specialist ends up with lower grades or a worse GPA... basically fewer points on the board... what happens then?
Should I go with him or the high school grad with more points? Or maybe that other vocational student who's scoring higher?
What crumbs are you even talking about? If someone actually puts in the work and proves themselves with high SAT scores and solid grades... does it even matter which high school they went to? At least for now.So, people hitting those five-figure salaries think they're geniuses now? I guess we can make an exception for the outliers.
Not necessarily... they actually want to learn. Unless we're talking about those participation trophies? Look, I was smart too... but what could I do if I wasn't getting straight As mostly because I was just lazy?Those are exactly the exceptions I’m talking about. Kids like that? They're gonna crush it. They actually use their heads, so they'll breeze right into their dream college and graduate on their own merit. Who wouldn't want to be one of them?
Nah, they aren't. It's mostly just kids who breeze through middle school with straight A's but don't actually care about any specific career path... so they just end up in prep school?Look at these straight-A nerds. They’re basically just mindless drones whose parents probably pushed them into high school prep because they haven't missed a single question since elementary school. Is that even living?
They aren't... they’re just normal kids pulling straight As in their graded classes. Some of it’s luck, some is hard work, but honestly, everyone else is doing worse—even if you just look at their behavior. You don't have to be some total overachiever to walk out of middle school with those 60 points plus extra credit for conduct, right?
They aren't stupid, and it’s not like their parents shoved anything specific down their throats. They just don't have a clue where they're headed, even though they've got the chance to go to a good prep school. Isn't that just how it goes?
Rachel Jones8 said:How'd you manage to pull such a heavy conclusion out of thin air?
Read that again.So you can't just fax over the low numbers and ignore the high ones? Makes sense, right?
So if a specialist ends up with lower grades or a worse GPA... basically fewer points on the board... what happens then?
Should I go with him or the high school grad with more points? Or maybe that other vocational student who's scoring higher?
What crumbs are you even talking about? If someone actually puts in the work and proves themselves with high SAT scores and solid grades... does it even matter which high school they went to? At least for now.So, people hitting those five-figure salaries think they're geniuses now? I guess we can make an exception for the outliers.
Not necessarily... they actually want to learn. Unless we're talking about those participation trophies? Look, I was smart too... but what could I do if I wasn't getting straight As mostly because I was just lazy?Those are exactly the exceptions I’m talking about. Kids like that? They're gonna crush it. They actually use their heads, so they'll breeze right into their dream college and graduate on their own merit. Who wouldn't want to be one of them?
Nah, they aren't. It's mostly just kids who breeze through middle school with straight A's but don't actually care about any specific career path... so they just end up in prep school?Look at these straight-A nerds. They’re basically just mindless drones whose parents probably pushed them into high school prep because they haven't missed a single question since elementary school. Is that even living?
They aren't... they’re just normal kids pulling straight As in their graded classes. Some of it’s luck, some is hard work, but honestly, everyone else is doing worse—even if you just look at their behavior. You don't have to be some total overachiever to walk out of middle school with those 60 points plus extra credit for conduct, right?
They aren't stupid, and it’s not like their parents shoved anything specific down their throats. They just don't have a clue where they're headed, even though they've got the chance to go to a good prep school. Isn't that just how it goes?
Rachel Jones8 said:How'd you manage to pull such a heavy conclusion out of thin air?
Read that again.So you can't just fax over the low numbers and ignore the high ones? Makes sense, right?
So if a specialist ends up with lower grades or a worse GPA... basically fewer points on the board... what happens then?
Should I go with him or the high school grad with more points? Or maybe that other vocational student who's scoring higher?
What crumbs are you even talking about? If someone actually puts in the work and proves themselves with high SAT scores and solid grades... does it even matter which high school they went to? At least for now.So, people hitting those five-figure salaries think they're geniuses now? I guess we can make an exception for the outliers.
Not necessarily... they actually want to learn. Unless we're talking about those participation trophies? Look, I was smart too... but what could I do if I wasn't getting straight As mostly because I was just lazy?Those are exactly the exceptions I’m talking about. Kids like that? They're gonna crush it. They actually use their heads, so they'll breeze right into their dream college and graduate on their own merit. Who wouldn't want to be one of them?
Nah, they aren't. It's mostly just kids who breeze through middle school with straight A's but don't actually care about any specific career path... so they just end up in prep school?Look at these straight-A nerds. They’re basically just mindless drones whose parents probably pushed them into high school prep because they haven't missed a single question since elementary school. Is that even living?
They aren't... they’re just normal kids pulling straight As in their graded classes. Some of it’s luck, some is hard work, but honestly, everyone else is doing worse—even if you just look at their behavior. You don't have to be some total overachiever to walk out of middle school with those 60 points plus extra credit for conduct, right?
They aren't stupid, and it’s not like their parents shoved anything specific down their throats. They just don't have a clue where they're headed, even though they've got the chance to go to a good prep school. Isn't that just how it goes?
Rachel Jones8 said:How'd you manage to pull such a heavy conclusion out of thin air?
Read that again.So you can't just fax over the low numbers and ignore the high ones? Makes sense, right?
So if a specialist ends up with lower grades or a worse GPA... basically fewer points on the board... what happens then?
Should I go with him or the high school grad with more points? Or maybe that other vocational student who's scoring higher?
What crumbs are you even talking about? If someone actually puts in the work and proves themselves with high SAT scores and solid grades... does it even matter which high school they went to? At least for now.So, people hitting those five-figure salaries think they're geniuses now? I guess we can make an exception for the outliers.
Not necessarily... they actually want to learn. Unless we're talking about those participation trophies? Look, I was smart too... but what could I do if I wasn't getting straight As mostly because I was just lazy?Those are exactly the exceptions I’m talking about. Kids like that? They're gonna crush it. They actually use their heads, so they'll breeze right into their dream college and graduate on their own merit. Who wouldn't want to be one of them?
Nah, they aren't. It's mostly just kids who breeze through middle school with straight A's but don't actually care about any specific career path... so they just end up in prep school?Look at these straight-A nerds. They’re basically just mindless drones whose parents probably pushed them into high school prep because they haven't missed a single question since elementary school. Is that even living?
They aren't... they’re just normal kids pulling straight As in their graded classes. Some of it’s luck, some is hard work, but honestly, everyone else is doing worse—even if you just look at their behavior. You don't have to be some total overachiever to walk out of middle school with those 60 points plus extra credit for conduct, right?
They aren't stupid, and it’s not like their parents shoved anything specific down their throats. They just don't have a clue where they're headed, even though they've got the chance to go to a good prep school. Isn't that just how it goes?
Rachel Jones8 said:How'd you manage to pull such a heavy conclusion out of thin air?
Read that again.So you can't just fax over the low numbers and ignore the high ones? Makes sense, right?
So if a specialist ends up with lower grades or a worse GPA... basically fewer points on the board... what happens then?
Should I go with him or the high school grad with more points? Or maybe that other vocational student who's scoring higher?
What crumbs are you even talking about? If someone actually puts in the work and proves themselves with high SAT scores and solid grades... does it even matter which high school they went to? At least for now.So, people hitting those five-figure salaries think they're geniuses now? I guess we can make an exception for the outliers.
Not necessarily... they actually want to learn. Unless we're talking about those participation trophies? Look, I was smart too... but what could I do if I wasn't getting straight As mostly because I was just lazy?Those are exactly the exceptions I’m talking about. Kids like that? They're gonna crush it. They actually use their heads, so they'll breeze right into their dream college and graduate on their own merit. Who wouldn't want to be one of them?
Nah, they aren't. It's mostly just kids who breeze through middle school with straight A's but don't actually care about any specific career path... so they just end up in prep school?Look at these straight-A nerds. They’re basically just mindless drones whose parents probably pushed them into high school prep because they haven't missed a single question since elementary school. Is that even living?
They aren't... they’re just normal kids pulling straight As in their graded classes. Some of it’s luck, some is hard work, but honestly, everyone else is doing worse—even if you just look at their behavior. You don't have to be some total overachiever to walk out of middle school with those 60 points plus extra credit for conduct, right?
They aren't stupid, and it’s not like their parents shoved anything specific down their throats. They just don't have a clue where they're headed, even though they've got the chance to go to a good prep school. Isn't that just how it goes?
Rachel Jones8 said:How'd you manage to pull such a heavy conclusion out of thin air?
Read that again.So you can't just fax over the low numbers and ignore the high ones? Makes sense, right?
So if a specialist ends up with lower grades or a worse GPA... basically fewer points on the board... what happens then?
Should I go with him or the high school grad with more points? Or maybe that other vocational student who's scoring higher?
What crumbs are you even talking about? If someone actually puts in the work and proves themselves with high SAT scores and solid grades... does it even matter which high school they went to? At least for now.So, people hitting those five-figure salaries think they're geniuses now? I guess we can make an exception for the outliers.
Not necessarily... they actually want to learn. Unless we're talking about those participation trophies? Look, I was smart too... but what could I do if I wasn't getting straight As mostly because I was just lazy?Those are exactly the exceptions I’m talking about. Kids like that? They're gonna crush it. They actually use their heads, so they'll breeze right into their dream college and graduate on their own merit. Who wouldn't want to be one of them?
Nah, they aren't. It's mostly just kids who breeze through middle school with straight A's but don't actually care about any specific career path... so they just end up in prep school?Look at these straight-A nerds. They’re basically just mindless drones whose parents probably pushed them into high school prep because they haven't missed a single question since elementary school. Is that even living?
They aren't... they’re just normal kids pulling straight As in their graded classes. Some of it’s luck, some is hard work, but honestly, everyone else is doing worse—even if you just look at their behavior. You don't have to be some total overachiever to walk out of middle school with those 60 points plus extra credit for conduct, right?
They aren't stupid, and it’s not like their parents shoved anything specific down their throats. They just don't have a clue where they're headed, even though they've got the chance to go to a good prep school. Isn't that just how it goes?
Rachel Jones8 said:How'd you manage to pull such a heavy conclusion out of thin air?
Read that again.So you can't just fax over the low numbers and ignore the high ones? Makes sense, right?
So if a specialist ends up with lower grades or a worse GPA... basically fewer points on the board... what happens then?
Should I go with him or the high school grad with more points? Or maybe that other vocational student who's scoring higher?
What crumbs are you even talking about? If someone actually puts in the work and proves themselves with high SAT scores and solid grades... does it even matter which high school they went to? At least for now.So, people hitting those five-figure salaries think they're geniuses now? I guess we can make an exception for the outliers.
Not necessarily... they actually want to learn. Unless we're talking about those participation trophies? Look, I was smart too... but what could I do if I wasn't getting straight As mostly because I was just lazy?Those are exactly the exceptions I’m talking about. Kids like that? They're gonna crush it. They actually use their heads, so they'll breeze right into their dream college and graduate on their own merit. Who wouldn't want to be one of them?
Nah, they aren't. It's mostly just kids who breeze through middle school with straight A's but don't actually care about any specific career path... so they just end up in prep school?Look at these straight-A nerds. They’re basically just mindless drones whose parents probably pushed them into high school prep because they haven't missed a single question since elementary school. Is that even living?
They aren't... they’re just normal kids pulling straight As in their graded classes. Some of it’s luck, some is hard work, but honestly, everyone else is doing worse—even if you just look at their behavior. You don't have to be some total overachiever to walk out of middle school with those 60 points plus extra credit for conduct, right?
They aren't stupid, and it’s not like their parents shoved anything specific down their throats. They just don't have a clue where they're headed, even though they've got the chance to go to a good prep school. Isn't that just how it goes?
Dana Diaz8 said:🙂 (p.s. check my signature)
But our Secretary of Education has such brilliant ideas; I guess it doesn't matter if they're just some high school overachiever.
A kid who gets handed easy A's is just a straight-A student.
I couldn't care less.
Those are the ones who should be fast-tracked!
So what, are vocational schools just filled with delinquents while prep schools are populated exclusively by angels?
If you're a functional human being who actually knows how to study, it isn't a huge hurdle. But then again, you can also have a incredibly shallow memory where you cram everything in just to forget it all ten minutes after the test is over.
For some people—the actually bright ones—it isn't a choice. But then you have the overachievers who push themselves into prep school purely for the status. They have no idea what they want to do with their lives, so they figure, "Hey, let's go to a prestigious academy so everyone thinks, 'Wow, look at that genius.'"
For some people (the smart ones), it's different. Nerds just feel this need to go to prep school just so they can brag about being there. Like, they have no clue where they're headed, so they just hit up prep school so everyone thinks, "Wow, look at this genius."
Dana Diaz8 said:🙂 (p.s. check my signature)
But our Secretary of Education has such brilliant ideas; I guess it doesn't matter if they're just some high school overachiever.
A kid who gets handed easy A's is just a straight-A student.
I couldn't care less.
Those are the ones who should be fast-tracked!
So what, are vocational schools just filled with delinquents while prep schools are populated exclusively by angels?
If you're a functional human being who actually knows how to study, it isn't a huge hurdle. But then again, you can also have a incredibly shallow memory where you cram everything in just to forget it all ten minutes after the test is over.
For some people—the actually bright ones—it isn't a choice. But then you have the overachievers who push themselves into prep school purely for the status. They have no idea what they want to do with their lives, so they figure, "Hey, let's go to a prestigious academy so everyone thinks, 'Wow, look at that genius.'"
Rachel Jones8 said:Nah, a real nerd is the one actually burying their nose in a book.For some people (the smart ones), it's different. Nerds just feel this need to go to prep school just so they can brag about being there. Like, they have no clue where they're headed, so they just hit up prep school so everyone thinks, "Wow, look at this genius."
Just so they can say they went to prep school? You really think that's their only motivation?
You're saying they don't know where they're going. But if they don't know, where else are they supposed to go?
If you had 60 or more credits... (or if you were giving advice to a buddy) and you had no idea what you wanted to do, meaning you aren't interested in any specific career—like being a mechanic, a stylist, or whatever a vocational school offers—would you still pick a trade you hate... or would you just head to prep school?
Rachel Jones8 said:Nah, a real nerd is the one actually burying their nose in a book.For some people (the smart ones), it's different. Nerds just feel this need to go to prep school just so they can brag about being there. Like, they have no clue where they're headed, so they just hit up prep school so everyone thinks, "Wow, look at this genius."
Just so they can say they went to prep school? You really think that's their only motivation?
You're saying they don't know where they're going. But if they don't know, where else are they supposed to go?
If you had 60 or more credits... (or if you were giving advice to a buddy) and you had no idea what you wanted to do, meaning you aren't interested in any specific career—like being a mechanic, a stylist, or whatever a vocational school offers—would you still pick a trade you hate... or would you just head to prep school?
Nicholas King said:Out of the absolute mountain of questionable takes floating around here—and I’ll admit, the idea that "anyone who gets good grades is a nerd" actually made the shortlist for me—I want to zero in on this one.
Let’s keep some perspective here, shall we? We are talking about fifteen-year-olds. Who, exactly, are they trying to impress, and why? Do you honestly believe there is some social circle out there where a teenager announcing, "Oh, I go to an elite prep school," is going to cause an immediate wave of hormonal frenzy or... well, anything remotely scandalous? It's just not happening.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with kids choosing a prep school even if they haven't figured out their entire career path yet. Choosing a high school is really just about selecting a specific track of study, and then, eventually, during those years, they will settle on a specific major.
Nicholas King said:Out of the absolute mountain of questionable takes floating around here—and I’ll admit, the idea that "anyone who gets good grades is a nerd" actually made the shortlist for me—I want to zero in on this one.
Let’s keep some perspective here, shall we? We are talking about fifteen-year-olds. Who, exactly, are they trying to impress, and why? Do you honestly believe there is some social circle out there where a teenager announcing, "Oh, I go to an elite prep school," is going to cause an immediate wave of hormonal frenzy or... well, anything remotely scandalous? It's just not happening.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with kids choosing a prep school even if they haven't figured out their entire career path yet. Choosing a high school is really just about selecting a specific track of study, and then, eventually, during those years, they will settle on a specific major.
Nicholas King said:Out of the absolute mountain of questionable takes floating around here—and I’ll admit, the idea that "anyone who gets good grades is a nerd" actually made the shortlist for me—I want to zero in on this one.
Let’s keep some perspective here, shall we? We are talking about fifteen-year-olds. Who, exactly, are they trying to impress, and why? Do you honestly believe there is some social circle out there where a teenager announcing, "Oh, I go to an elite prep school," is going to cause an immediate wave of hormonal frenzy or... well, anything remotely scandalous? It's just not happening.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with kids choosing a prep school even if they haven't figured out their entire career path yet. Choosing a high school is really just about selecting a specific track of study, and then, eventually, during those years, they will settle on a specific major.
Nicholas King said:Out of the absolute mountain of questionable takes floating around here—and I’ll admit, the idea that "anyone who gets good grades is a nerd" actually made the shortlist for me—I want to zero in on this one.
Let’s keep some perspective here, shall we? We are talking about fifteen-year-olds. Who, exactly, are they trying to impress, and why? Do you honestly believe there is some social circle out there where a teenager announcing, "Oh, I go to an elite prep school," is going to cause an immediate wave of hormonal frenzy or... well, anything remotely scandalous? It's just not happening.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with kids choosing a prep school even if they haven't figured out their entire career path yet. Choosing a high school is really just about selecting a specific track of study, and then, eventually, during those years, they will settle on a specific major.
Dana Diaz8 said:Fine
Kids can start high school at fourteen. And if you tell people you're going to a prestigious prep school, the general consensus is that you're some kind of genius.
We can save the debates about faith and belief for another thread.
Why should every prep school student feel forced into college if they already know finding a job after graduation will be an uphill battle? And why should a kid from a four-year vocational program, who wants to continue studying their trade, be pushed aside by the prep school crowd?
Rachel Jones8 said:Can someone who actually gets this explain it?
Are they stripping points from artists (dancers and musicians) just for attending those specialized arts academies? Or is it about losing points for winning national or major competitions?Parents and teachers are losing it over the proposal to cut two extra points for students graduating from dance and music academies when applying to high school. Instead, only one point would go to kids aiming for arts schools. Meanwhile, student athletes can still rack up points for any school application. Students taking first, second, or third place in national or international competitions earn between one and three points, while winning first place at the state level earns them one extra point.
Were those two points earned just for finishing the program, or did you have to hit some massive milestone?
So kids weren't getting points for training for five or six years, but only if they pulled off an elite athletic win?
Did I get that right? Athletes didn't get special perks either, just one point for a state title—which is the same thing arts students get just for graduating without even winning a competition... or am I totally off base? 🤷
swiftbear86 said:Just finishing up middle school music programs was enough to qualify.
Completing a formal music conservatory program (not just a weekend workshop) is a real achievement. Think about it: classes meet four times a week, you’ve got theory exams, and you have to pass practical performance tests every single year. As for the cost—in New York City, you're looking at about $40 a month for music school. Honestly, most families spend way more than that on stuff like dining out or entertainment, so saying this is only available to the "elite" just isn't true.
Here is the old (but still relevant) set of guidelines:
Nicholas King said:Well, if we're being strictly accurate, completing just four out of the six grades in elementary music school would have been plenty.
