Over 100,000 Frenchmen protest against marriage equality

Bradley Scott2 said:I think you missed my point.
The topics won't even exist because people probably won't be publicly declaring homosexual (or "lesbo-peder" as darktiger12 puts it) inclinations or demanding those "rights." In two generations, we'll likely be seeing a referendum in Europe to introduce Sharia law.

Those Sharia wet dreams fight gay parades pretty effectively, I guess. 🙂

Alexander Garcia5 said:Those Sharia wet dreams fight gay parades pretty effectively, I guess. 🙂

Gays might be parading now, but it won't be long before those Sharia types shut them down hard.

If anyone keeps making noise, I guess those Sharia groups will start killing once they gain enough power.

I guess you have to look at how global elites back gay movements through the lens of their attempts to dismantle national states, which are still basically the backbone of the world political order. I’ve mentioned this before, but
The edge managed to scrub my post, so here goes: support for "gay communities" seems like a political project driven by the global elite aimed at two things:
1) Within the EU, it's about chipping away at what's left of society based on marriage and family, thereby weakening and disintegrating the individual nations within the EU (bit by bit, from all sides). It's a way to undermine the general state structure that's still somewhat resisting predatory neoliberalism, forced integration, and the erosion of national sovereignty.

2) Outside the EU. Using the gay population as a minority against the majority to achieve specific goals—primarily weakening the state and installing politically compliant leaders who don't actually have to be gay. In most countries, including the USA, the gay population is a minority standing in opposition to the majority. This is especially obvious in conservative countries, like Russia or even America, where that divide is much wider. Supporting the gay population in those places is pretty much the same thing as those same global elites supporting Islamic extremists in Syria. Both are just minorities being used to serve a purpose. It's that same "bit by bit" strategy. Some statehood is lost to gay movements, some to national minorities that are given disproportionate influence, and some is snatched up by corrupt politicians; the end result is that the majority of the people can no longer govern their own country.

silentcrane11 said:Gays might be parading now, but it won't be long before those Sharia types shut them down hard.

If anyone keeps making noise, I guess those Sharia groups will start killing once they gain enough power.

America managed to shake off feudalism, Nazism, fascism, and communism, so maybe we'll deal with Islamofascism too. ☕

Alexander Garcia5 said:Those Sharia wet dreams fight gay parades pretty effectively, I guess. 🙂

So, they're actually organizing a massive Pride parade in Riyadh.
😂😂😂

The FEMEN mercenaries will show up too, waving their breasts around and carrying signs that say "Gay is great!" and "Gay akbar!"

Here, take a look at this:

darktiger12 said:I guess France wasn't any better under that little guy who fancied himself a ladies' man (despite calling himself a "conservative"), nor was it any better under any of those crooks like Giscard, Mitterrand, and the rest before him. Didn't Sarkozy also hand over the government and key sectors to feminists and various "emancipated" "progressives," and then actually brag about it?

But honestly, countries like Spain and Ireland remain a complete mystery to me. I really don't get how these nations, which were so incredibly stubborn and deeply conservative Catholic societies for centuries, managed to degenerate so much and turn into what they are today in just 10 or 15 years. But like you said, I suppose everyone is starting to "enjoy" the fruits of their newly acquired "progressiveness."

The worst part, though, is that they are trying to force these same liberal nonsense policies—the ones that ruined them—onto the entire world, especially onto transition countries like ours.

It’s really not that deep. Spain and Ireland transitioned from mostly rural societies to countries dominated by urban populations. Any society undergoing that kind of urbanization inevitably sees massive shifts in its social fabric.

darktiger12 said:I’m noticing that people here are starting to use these supposed "millions" of participants in lesbian street festivals around the world as some kind of "argument." Just yesterday on TV (RTL, of course, who else?), we saw a news report about "over a million" people attending a massive event in Rio de Janeiro. I think that might need a little bit of clarification.

It’s pretty interesting how the media can't seem to agree if there were 70,000 or 200,000 people at that protest in Paris, yet they are somehow incredibly precise when it comes to counting "a million" or "a million and a half" participants in a "gay parade."

So, besides the fact that those numbers seem to be pulled straight out of thin air and tossed out without any real basis, it feels like those figures are being used quite brazenly to manipulate the narrative—trying to create this false image of both a massive crowd and widespread public support for their "cause."

But things actually look quite different. Not only is nobody truly counting these participants—they just make up numbers and wildly exaggerate them—but there's other manipulation going on too. You see, the media often labels any tourist or curious bystander caught nearby as a "participant in the parade," and therefore, a supporter of the lesbian agenda. I heard a story about how a group of American high school students on a field trip ended up in Munich right during a local "parade"; they were just watching from the sidelines along with plenty of other tourists. But some ambitious "journalist" snapped a photo of them, and the next day, they saw themselves in some German tabloid labeled as "parade participants."

This tactic is used all the time, especially in huge cities like Paris, Amsterdam, Berlin, or Rio, where there are always hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions, of tourists who naturally watch the street festivities out of curiosity, only to end up being photographed, filmed, and branded as "participants" in the media.

Furthermore, most of the actual participants aren't even lesbians, and certainly not gay men, because a large majority of those unfortunate people hide their inclinations and don't march around in public. Instead, you have a huge number of feminists (who are as close to them as "two peas in a pod" and often share memberships with lesbian organizations) and self-proclaimed leftist "activists," followed by various exhibitionists, sadomasochists, and all sorts of others who use this as a chance to publicly display their fetishes and show off the SM "wardrobe" and props they usually keep hidden at the bottom of their closets. And let's not forget the many male and female prostitutes from all walks of life for whom business simply booms during these times.

A good chunk of these types travel the world from one "parade" to the next, which helps create that impression of massive numbers. It’s a bit like how, in our neck of the woods, the same small crew gathers from everywhere to wander and provoke through street festivals in cities ranging from New York to Chicago or Los Angeles (where they don't fare quite as well 😍).

But the bulk of what we actually see are young, shallow, and superficial Westerners who are only interested in partying and an easy life. They are the same crowds we see at festivals like Žrč, at rave parties, or at massive "Love parades," which don't really differ much from these lesbian street orgies anyway. For these masses of mindless people, the cause doesn't really matter; in fact, many probably don't even know "what is being celebrated." All that matters is having enough colorful pills, Red Bull-vodka, and being able to shake to the same boring electronic beat for hours. Whether it's a Love Parade or a "gay pride," it's all the same to them. And these types often travel from one party to the next.

So, I’d just ask that we tone down with these claims of "millions" of participants in "gay parades" in this beautiful liberal world.

Just for the sake of comparison—back in 2011, organizers claimed over half a million people attended the gay parade in Paris. Meanwhile, police figures suggested the turnout was closer to 36,000. I’ll just state that figure off the top of my head so nobody thinks I wasted even a second researching such nonsense. Cognitive bias and propaganda are doing wonders here.
The same goes for the fact that this period in Paris is part of a series of events during a summer festival, and any gathering attracts huge crowds of tourists regardless of their gender, nationality, politics, or any other affiliation. It's typical for major global cities. I remember an event about 10 years ago when Brazil beat Germany in the World Cup final. A few hundred emotional Brazilian fans dancing the samba at Trafalgar Square ended up drawing tens of thousands of passersby (according to the police) who weren't even Brazilian fans.
So...

It’s easy for this debate to spiral into petty bickering, but hey, that’s just how these topics go. Given the way everyone is throwing around credentials from all sides and the fact that we’re all hanging out on the internet, I’m just going to drop one thought here. Please, don't quote me; I have zero intention of engaging in a back-and-forth, but I feel almost obligated to say this. Last week in Rome, a 15-year-old boy took his own life—most likely because he was gay. What pushed him over the edge? Cyberbullying. After enough people on Facebook piled on with insults about his manicured nails or his pink pants, he reached his breaking point. Since we're operating in digital spaces, we shouldn't forget that words actually have consequences and they hurt. If you can't dismantle an opponent's argument with actual logic, it’s better not to sink into shallow, crude ad hominem attacks. This isn't just happening anywhere; it’s a trend among *everyone*, and if you ask anyone, they'll tell you that playing the mudslinging game is the favorite pastime of those who claim to be "enlightened." Don't think for a second that I'm pointing my finger at any specific group, oh no.

Look, don't stoop that low. In the heat of a process, you might end up dragging down someone who doesn't deserve the smear.

Richard James2 said:It’s easy for this debate to spiral into petty bickering, but hey, that’s just how these topics go. Given the way everyone is throwing around credentials from all sides and the fact that we’re all hanging out on the internet, I’m just going to drop one thought here. Please, don't quote me; I have zero intention of engaging in a back-and-forth, but I feel almost obligated to say this. Last week in Rome, a 15-year-old boy took his own life—most likely because he was gay. What pushed him over the edge? Cyberbullying. After enough people on Facebook piled on with insults about his manicured nails or his pink pants, he reached his breaking point. Since we're operating in digital spaces, we shouldn't forget that words actually have consequences and they hurt. If you can't dismantle an opponent's argument with actual logic, it’s better not to sink into shallow, crude ad hominem attacks. This isn't just happening anywhere; it’s a trend among *everyone*, and if you ask anyone, they'll tell you that playing the mudslinging game is the favorite pastime of those who claim to be "enlightened." Don't think for a second that I'm pointing my finger at any specific group, oh no.

Look, don't stoop that low. In the heat of a process, you might end up dragging down someone who doesn't deserve the smear.

Even though you asked me not to quote you, I’m going to do it anyway, because what you just said is really the common thread in all these kinds of discussions.
Tolerance.
It’s just encouraging intolerance.

Who exactly is fueling intolerance these days?
It’s mostly those gay activists, really. They seem to be everywhere. Even here on this forum, just through how certain threads get moderated—not that I'm trying to criticize anyone specifically, but that whole experience left me feeling so frustrated that I find myself being a bit less tolerant toward any kind of gay activism lately.

The issue is that some gay activists can't handle the fact that society has actually become tolerant toward them. They don't want peace; they want conflict. When things stay calm, they feel the need to stir the pot with increasingly radical demands or by openly insulting people just to provoke a reaction.
Do you really think those activists actually care about that 15-year-old kid? Honestly, I don't think so. They're probably just thrilled to have a fresh topic to run with—homophobia, hate speech, and all that.

I consider myself a pretty tolerant person. I don't care what others do as long as they aren't disrupting my life, the lives of those close to me, or harming society at large. But when people constantly try to label me a homophobe just because I'm not 100% enthusiastic about pride parades or adoption requests, I have to wonder who's actually driving that narrative. Is that really the consensus among the gay community—that they need parades, adoption rights, and for legal unions to be called "marriage"?
It's either because they're forcing certain values on my kids at school that I just don't agree with, or because I simply don't feel like I'm allowed to say so.
Well, if people are going to label me a homophobe just for having an opinion, then fine—I’ll lean into it. I guess I have no choice but to embrace the title. If being "intolerant" means standing my ground against anyone trying to force their views on me, then that's exactly what I'll be. The more they try to push things down my throat, the more I'm going to resist.

Let's take a closer look at that protest in Paris. It was actually quite peaceful; most of the people there seemed like family types—maybe even religious folks or traditionalists. They were just showing they disagree with the new law. Nobody was out there spreading hate or being intolerant. I didn't see anyone carrying signs with hateful slogans or anything like that, you know?
And then you have groups like Femen showing up just to spread hate, carrying hateful signs and starting trouble everywhere they go.
Can you imagine if some far-right radicals showed up to a Pride parade acting like this—carrying signs that say "hate gay" or "in Hitler we trust" and spraying participants and police with fire extinguishers? How many years of prison time would they actually face under summary judgment?

Clearly, you didn't bother reading my entire post. If you had, you would've realized I was touching upon that whole Femen brand of moronism, even if I didn't spell it out explicitly.

And look, yeah, some LGBT activists love to weaponize obnoxious rhetoric in public discourse, but that doesn't mean everyone does—nor does it mean the activist crowd is some perfect mirror reflecting the entire gay population.

So, I ended up circling back to the subject of my appealing post.

Former French First Lady Carl Bruni-Sarkozy: ‘I am in favour of gay marriage and adoption’

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/11/26...-and-adoption/

I wonder how Sarkozy is going to react to this—it's clearly not something he or anyone else in the UMP would be thrilled about.🤣

crimsonpuma40 As specified:
I suspect that marriage is an outdated institution, whether it's between same-sex or opposite-sex couples.

👍

Susan Price30 said:On another note, there was a time when people literally had to hide in the woods, or even worse—spend their lives locked away in institutions (and I say that without a hint of irony, since homosexuality was "treated" in mental hospitals until the start of the last century). But how can anyone claim they are becoming "more visible" if most of society (like in France, for instance) feels that certain rights are subjective because they somehow threaten or diminish the rights of someone else —for example, the basic rights of children abandoned by parents who, upon being adopted by same-sex partners, face additional social stigma or even contempt from their peers, especially considering these are extremely vulnerable members of society. Why should the gay lobby be considered "more important" or louder than advocating for the rights of those children, for example?

And is it actually desirable and the only right way to consider the voice of the majority of voters on certain vital (political, specifically!) issues, because ultimately, that is the whole idea of democracy.

OK, personally, I think people should be allowed to adopt even if they can have biological children themselves (and please, don't twist my words here, you know what I mean).

As for the protests, regardless of who organizes them: IGNORE. You get these guys showing up saying we should hold our parade to show, I don't know, what? You tell them: go ahead and have your parade, just don't block everyone else. Don't allow them to shut down the streets and then grant them total media coverage. What's the point? I couldn't care less who is for or against what. Don't we have smarter things to be outraged about?

It's clear to me that some people don't have many deep moral dilemmas—as long as it doesn't affect them directly, in the sense that they don't give a damn about anyone else's business... but isn't all of this indirectly about you too? Because tomorrow, once the US becomes a full member of the EU, it follows logically that these kinds of things will start affecting every single citizen and voter in the US. And who knows, maybe you'll even have the chance to vote in a referendum on these types of questions, and we'll just be watching you on the BBC or wherever. 🙂

Since when did taking the path of least resistance become an acceptable way to fight social stigma?

If we applied that logic across the board, then uneducated, impoverished, or ill people should never be allowed to have children either. There will always be someone out there ready to mock, ridicule, or stigmatize them. The real solution lies in educating individuals, not in stripping away rights from others just to prevent an excuse for stigma.

Drew Booth60 said:France is following right in Spain's footsteps ever since this liberal-socialist crowd took over the reins☕
While the country is basically sinking, they’re busy playing distraction tactics—focusing entirely on gay rights, immigrant rights, and waging war against those damn wealthy elites—which is exactly how things played out in Spain back when that idiot Zapatero was running the show🙄
We're seeing the fallout from all that "brilliant" and "progressive" policy making right before our eyes today😍

The only interesting thing between Spaniards and us is:
I have some friends from Spain, and they are all highly educated young professionals who are primarily focused on the nation's economic outlook, the recession, and the high youth unemployment rate. They couldn't care less about the gay marriage referendum; to them, it’s just a completely normal part of life, and they don't even bother debating whether it should be allowed or not. In fact, they were genuinely baffled when they witnessed what happened at the pride parade in ST a couple of years ago.

The situation here is quite different:
While our youth struggle with unemployment, we pour money into bloated bureaucracies, and a corrupt system leaves everyone wondering who is actually pulling the strings, we're expected to obsess over whether the gay population will be allowed to marry. Apparently, that's the biggest controversy facing Americans today.