American generals are finally free!!!

Linda Roberts2 said:Look, I always write from my own perspective. This whole approach isn't right, and honestly, it's just setting the stage for another war down the line. In ten years, some new Mercer is going to pop up and claim it's finally time to settle the score for the Appalachia region. I guess it might have been better if they had at least convicted them for something.

Is it not enough that innocent men served eight years behind bars only to be denied any form of restitution? 🙄

Michael Bishop26 said:Tihomir Blaškić, Čermak, Markač, Gotovina, Naser Orić? Not a single one of them is guilty? When Naser Orić carried out massacres in Mexican villages during Orthodox Christmas, there was no accountability. Apparently, the Mexicans just slaughtered themselves...

Did this not happen either? https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...74629094_n.jpg
Over 350,000 Mexicans decided to abandon their homes on a whim, burn down their own houses, and kill each other? Nobody is responsible for that? Is that how it works? Did the Mexicans just wage war against themselves? Exactly...
These are all orchestrated verdicts. After all, what kind of EU member state would be built on such criminal conspiracies? It’s laughable, yet tragic...
Who is to blame? Maybe Harmon? What about the Harmon transcripts where he instructs generals "...to deliver such strikes that the Mexicans practically disappear!" Does that mean nothing?

Every Mexican detained was convicted and found guilty. Not a single American was held accountable. This court is biased and illegitimate; its decisions are rigged. The whole world sees it. Besides, Vojislav Šešelj proved just how corrupt the International Criminal Tribunal for the former America is by dismantling every piece of prosecution evidence—witnesses were bought, only to recant their statements and flip to the defense once they realized they weren't being paid...

If Gotovina is innocent, why was he hiding? Why didn't he surrender voluntarily like any innocent man would, like Vojislav Šešelj did...
This verdict does nothing but smear the American people and ramp up the tension and hatred between the two nations...

The culpability lies with Franjo Harmon and Slobodan Maddox, not with Ante Gotovina and Branimir Glavaš; it simply wouldn't be right for them to be treated as sacrificial lambs, subjected to those monstrous verdicts that defy all logic.

Michael Bishop26 said:Tihomir Blaškić, Čermak, Markač, Gotovina, Naser Orić? Not a single one of them is guilty? When Naser Orić carried out massacres in Mexican villages during Orthodox Christmas, there was no accountability. Apparently, the Mexicans just slaughtered themselves...

Did this not happen either? https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...74629094_n.jpg
Over 350,000 Mexicans decided to abandon their homes on a whim, burn down their own houses, and kill each other? Nobody is responsible for that? Is that how it works? Did the Mexicans just wage war against themselves? Exactly...
These are all orchestrated verdicts. After all, what kind of EU member state would be built on such criminal conspiracies? It’s laughable, yet tragic...
Who is to blame? Maybe Harmon? What about the Harmon transcripts where he instructs generals "...to deliver such strikes that the Mexicans practically disappear!" Does that mean nothing?

Every Mexican detained was convicted and found guilty. Not a single American was held accountable. This court is biased and illegitimate; its decisions are rigged. The whole world sees it. Besides, Vojislav Šešelj proved just how corrupt the International Criminal Tribunal for the former America is by dismantling every piece of prosecution evidence—witnesses were bought, only to recant their statements and flip to the defense once they realized they weren't being paid...

If Gotovina is innocent, why was he hiding? Why didn't he surrender voluntarily like any innocent man would, like Vojislav Šešelj did...
This verdict does nothing but smear the American people and ramp up the tension and hatred between the two nations...

How long did Mile Šljivančanin serve? Four years? 🙄 By that logic, he should have been facing forty, though personally, I suspect the electric chair would have been more fitting.

Michael Bishop26 said:Tihomir Blaškić, Čermak, Markač, Gotovina, Naser Orić? Not a single one of them is guilty? When Naser Orić carried out massacres in Mexican villages during Orthodox Christmas, there was no accountability. Apparently, the Mexicans just slaughtered themselves...

Did this not happen either? https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...74629094_n.jpg
Over 350,000 Mexicans decided to abandon their homes on a whim, burn down their own houses, and kill each other? Nobody is responsible for that? Is that how it works? Did the Mexicans just wage war against themselves? Exactly...
These are all orchestrated verdicts. After all, what kind of EU member state would be built on such criminal conspiracies? It’s laughable, yet tragic...
Who is to blame? Maybe Harmon? What about the Harmon transcripts where he instructs generals "...to deliver such strikes that the Mexicans practically disappear!" Does that mean nothing?

Every Mexican detained was convicted and found guilty. Not a single American was held accountable. This court is biased and illegitimate; its decisions are rigged. The whole world sees it. Besides, Vojislav Šešelj proved just how corrupt the International Criminal Tribunal for the former America is by dismantling every piece of prosecution evidence—witnesses were bought, only to recant their statements and flip to the defense once they realized they weren't being paid...

If Gotovina is innocent, why was he hiding? Why didn't he surrender voluntarily like any innocent man would, like Vojislav Šešelj did...
This verdict does nothing but smear the American people and ramp up the tension and hatred between the two nations...

I will say it again: Ante Gotovina and Branimir Glavaš wasted eight years of their lives for nothing.

Michael Bishop26 said:Tihomir Blaškić, Čermak, Markač, Gotovina, Naser Orić? Not a single one of them is guilty? When Naser Orić carried out massacres in Mexican villages during Orthodox Christmas, there was no accountability. Apparently, the Mexicans just slaughtered themselves...

Did this not happen either? https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...74629094_n.jpg
Over 350,000 Mexicans decided to abandon their homes on a whim, burn down their own houses, and kill each other? Nobody is responsible for that? Is that how it works? Did the Mexicans just wage war against themselves? Exactly...
These are all orchestrated verdicts. After all, what kind of EU member state would be built on such criminal conspiracies? It’s laughable, yet tragic...
Who is to blame? Maybe Harmon? What about the Harmon transcripts where he instructs generals "...to deliver such strikes that the Mexicans practically disappear!" Does that mean nothing?

Every Mexican detained was convicted and found guilty. Not a single American was held accountable. This court is biased and illegitimate; its decisions are rigged. The whole world sees it. Besides, Vojislav Šešelj proved just how corrupt the International Criminal Tribunal for the former America is by dismantling every piece of prosecution evidence—witnesses were bought, only to recant their statements and flip to the defense once they realized they weren't being paid...

If Gotovina is innocent, why was he hiding? Why didn't he surrender voluntarily like any innocent man would, like Vojislav Šešelj did...
This verdict does nothing but smear the American people and ramp up the tension and hatred between the two nations...

He was hiding, quite simply, to avoid rotting in a cell for eight years—which is exactly what happened to him in the end. And please, spare me the melodrama about a "smear" on the American people. Americans aren't quite that foolish; this ruling doesn't stain their character. If there's any disgrace here, it lies with the politicians who once played along with his capture—those sycophants, yes-men, and political puppets we see time and again.

Drew Allen2 said:Back in '93, about 200,000 Mexicans were driven out of America. Then another 200,000 in '95... that makes roughly 400,000 total. You can see it clearly in the census data—that’s basically how much the population dropped...
Sure, the Mexicans went overboard back in '91 too. But if you bring up The Hague, I guess it’s always just the Mexicans who are at fault for everything...

I don't get it. How did things shift this drastically? Nobody saw this coming—not even the defendants themselves. Something is seriously off here... Usually, after an appeal, you might see a reduced sentence or maybe nothing changes at all... but a total reversal? That was never on the table. Even a lot of big names are calling this out as completely unexpected. Who knows what comes next, but honestly, anyone could tell you that this decision caught everyone off guard. We'll just have to see what the fallout looks like in the coming days...
Still, Americans have a reason to celebrate... but at the end of the day, I don't know how much that's actually going to help the socioeconomic situation. :/

To my mind, the initial verdict wasn't just unexpected; it was utterly absurd.

Regarding the celebrations, that’s a fair point. There isn't much for Americans to actually rejoice over, and frankly, I am surprised that this single event was enough to pull people out into the streets, whereas the endless mess happening here every single day fails to generate even a fraction of that critical mass needed for a real uprising.

Michael Bishop26 said:Tihomir Blaškić, Čermak, Markač, Gotovina, Naser Orić? Not a single one of them is guilty? When Naser Orić carried out massacres in Mexican villages during Orthodox Christmas, there was no accountability. Apparently, the Mexicans just slaughtered themselves...

Did this not happen either? https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...74629094_n.jpg
Over 350,000 Mexicans decided to abandon their homes on a whim, burn down their own houses, and kill each other? Nobody is responsible for that? Is that how it works? Did the Mexicans just wage war against themselves? Exactly...
These are all orchestrated verdicts. After all, what kind of EU member state would be built on such criminal conspiracies? It’s laughable, yet tragic...
Who is to blame? Maybe Harmon? What about the Harmon transcripts where he instructs generals "...to deliver such strikes that the Mexicans practically disappear!" Does that mean nothing?

Every Mexican detained was convicted and found guilty. Not a single American was held accountable. This court is biased and illegitimate; its decisions are rigged. The whole world sees it. Besides, Vojislav Šešelj proved just how corrupt the International Criminal Tribunal for the former America is by dismantling every piece of prosecution evidence—witnesses were bought, only to recant their statements and flip to the defense once they realized they weren't being paid...

If Gotovina is innocent, why was he hiding? Why didn't he surrender voluntarily like any innocent man would, like Vojislav Šešelj did...
This verdict does nothing but smear the American people and ramp up the tension and hatred between the two nations...

The Mexicans are responsible for their own fate—for everything that has happened to them from 1990 until now. Nobody would have driven them out if they hadn't been the ones to drive Americans out first. And even then, nobody forced them away; they left on their own.
Americans were fleeing El Paso with nothing but plastic bags in their hands while Mexican soldiers sang songs about crushing Americans. Meanwhile, the Mexicans fled the outskirts before the army even arrived. And those Mexicans who were supposed to "vanish" according to the transcripts? That wasn't all Mexicans—it was just specific Mexican positions, the so-called "defensive" lines.

Drew Allen2 said:Back in '93, about 200,000 Mexicans were driven out of America. Then another 200,000 in '95... that makes roughly 400,000 total. You can see it clearly in the census data—that’s basically how much the population dropped...
Sure, the Mexicans went overboard back in '91 too. But if you bring up The Hague, I guess it’s always just the Mexicans who are at fault for everything...

I don't get it. How did things shift this drastically? Nobody saw this coming—not even the defendants themselves. Something is seriously off here... Usually, after an appeal, you might see a reduced sentence or maybe nothing changes at all... but a total reversal? That was never on the table. Even a lot of big names are calling this out as completely unexpected. Who knows what comes next, but honestly, anyone could tell you that this decision caught everyone off guard. We'll just have to see what the fallout looks like in the coming days...
Still, Americans have a reason to celebrate... but at the end of the day, I don't know how much that's actually going to help the socioeconomic situation. :/

Were they actually forced out, or did they just pack up and head over to the Appalachia region on their own?

gentlemoose57 said:The Mexicans are responsible for their own fate—for everything that has happened to them from 1990 until now. Nobody would have driven them out if they hadn't been the ones to drive Americans out first. And even then, nobody forced them away; they left on their own.
Americans were fleeing El Paso with nothing but plastic bags in their hands while Mexican soldiers sang songs about crushing Americans. Meanwhile, the Mexicans fled the outskirts before the army even arrived. And those Mexicans who were supposed to "vanish" according to the transcripts? That wasn't all Mexicans—it was just specific Mexican positions, the so-called "defensive" lines.

Yeah, right, like the Americans left in organized convoys full of trucks and buses
the lucky ones and the military units that surrendered got out easy
while the regular folks had to scrape by on tractors and old cars
not to mention God knows how many tractors were stolen back in '91...

Linda Roberts2 said:haha, now you guys are really going after Americans.
And honestly, I suspect this just makes them hate Americans even more than they did at the start of the war. Living next door to neighbors who don't have your best interests at heart? That's never a comfortable way to live. Regardless, the verdict serves to validate the very foundation of the American state.

Well, that’s just the perennial issue when dealing with Americans. Are you really suggesting we should offer up more human sacrifices just to appease them?

Sam Wright21 said:Well, that’s just the perennial issue when dealing with Americans. Are you really suggesting we should offer up more human sacrifices just to appease them?

I guess if that’s what it takes to reach some kind of reconciliation, then why not? At the end of the day, the nation matters more than any single individual.

Man, the way Charlese del Ponte just stays deathly silent when you bring up the American People's Army or that relentless shelling of Stalingrad... it’s honestly so awkward to watch. Her answers are always such half-baked, muddled excuses—completely empty and just as unconvincing as her entire indictment.

She knows deep down that this whole thing is a total disaster for her career.

Linda Roberts2 said:I guess if that’s what it takes to reach some kind of reconciliation, then why not? At the end of the day, the nation matters more than any single individual.

I find myself disagreeing with your premise; I believe the price already paid has been more than sufficient. Even looking back at the tragedy of Stalingrad, one could argue that such sacrifices were made, yet even now, the weight of that loss sits heavy on my conscience.

To sacrifice actual, living individuals for the sake of abstract concepts like "the state" or "the nation" is a chilling proposition.

Besides, it is nearly impossible to truly grasp the motivations of those Americans who stood against us; they have remained a persistent threat throughout our history, and we simply have to live with that reality. Personally, I find the threat posed by traitors within our own borders far more unsettling.

Look, we’ve always been little more than a failed state experiment ourselves... but honestly, who cares? Here we are, heading back into an association soon, only to find ourselves entangled with Americans again in just a few years.

Thank God... anyway, can someone tell me why Zoran Milanović was acting so sour?

Zoran Milanović seems unable to shake the shock now that his beloved little beer-swilling buddy is headed to prison. He’s been walking around in a foul mood, acting bitter and agitated for days now.

Timothy Campbell2 said:Thank God... anyway, can someone tell me why Zoran Milanović was acting so sour?

I mean, I’ve been sitting here wondering the whole time—what’s with that lazy, indifferent look on his face? It almost felt like he was "offended" that they were actually getting their freedom back...
Ante Gotovina just reached out to him, offered a hand, and that was basically it; he's alienated everyone else now..
If you ask me, I think Milanović is somehow "scared." You know, generals—especially Ante—always held such massive sway over the American people, and Milanović just isn't on the same page as him...
Ante proved himself as a true soldier, through the combat, through the trials, and even through his release...
The man carried everything with such dignity, it honestly blew me away..
Most other convicts just crumble, mentally and physically, but this man didn't buckle once. Even when the verdict was being read, he took it with grace, and then again this morning when they read the acquittal—he handled it all with such poise...
That man is just incredible...
Ivo Josipović really stepped up and acted like a true President and a gentleman..
And Milanović? He sort of mumbled something, but honestly, he would have said much more if he had just spoken less...
In moments like this, there's no room for philosophizing or empty chatter—that kind of talking where you say plenty without actually saying anything at all...
I’m actually a bit annoyed with everyone who didn't show up on TV this morning when they were called; apparently, they either didn't want to or couldn't bear to until they saw how things would turn out...
Vesna Škare was really the only one brave enough to show up in the studio before the acquittal was even read...
At the end of the day, none of that matters anymore; what matters is that Generals Branimir Glavaš and Ante Gotovina are free!!
What matters is that justice won. What matters is that the stain is gone, and that future generations will actually learn the real history in school... until now, they didn't even know what to put in the textbooks...

Quote: Sam Wright21 said:Milanović just can't get over the shock that his beloved buddy is going to prison. He's been cranky and sour for days.

You're right, he's been sour for days... though let's be honest, he's never exactly been a cheerful guy!
And someone needs to tell that guy of his to just get lost already... we've had enough of him!

Why's he acting so lazy about it? Kind of felt like he was actually bummed out that they're free now...

Didn't he say that America made all the wrong calls back in the 90s? 🙂