Sandra Morgan2 said:Silence is nothingness—just pure emptiness. How can you possibly accumulate something that’s void? How can you pile up a background when all that exists is the constant, inner chatter of the mind?
Meditation technically breaks down into two distinct stages. First, you have dharana—that initial phase of concentration where you fix your attention on something specific. Think of focusing on your breath, a mantra, a visualization, or even just the flicker of a candle flame or a single point on the wall. Then comes dhyana. That’s when that focus finally stabilizes, creating this profound silence where everything else just drops away. No wandering thoughts, no movement—just total stillness centered entirely on your object of meditation.
Once this state stabilizes, you move into Samadhi. It isn't about fixation, concentration, or even focused attention. It’s not something produced by the mind or the intellect; rather, it's a state where pure awareness simply *is*—whether there are objects present within it or not. While meditation itself is the process of narrowing the stream of thought down to a single object, its ultimate goal is Samadhi, or the expansion of consciousness.
Ramana Maharshi:
Samadhi is that specific state where the mind finally goes quiet, allowing you to experience the pure, unbroken flow of consciousness. That's it. Just that.
Or, if you're looking to dive deeper into Samadhi, here's the scoop: Samadhi is falling. From Pantaleon’s Yoga Sutras.
In that state of inner silence, we observe the observer. We become aware. And then, naturally, we consciously recognize them within the mind—our thoughts.
When those internal dialogues kick in, we aren't actually gaining awareness—we're just overanalyzing.
The idea of a "blank mind," or trying to control your thoughts and feelings—it’s all backwards. It's a misunderstanding of how things work. It's nothing more than a clumsy maneuver of light.
We aren't controllers of anything; we’re just freeing our own actions.
By letting go of how we view reality, we finally start engaging with it. Only then do we truly begin to feel.
We can't just slip into that state of inner silence "forever." That internal dialogue? It’s indestructible. But we *can* learn how to sidestep all that mental noise!
That’s self-control right there—the only kind worth having!
I just can't follow you... even if I really tried!
I can only weigh in on that final sentence. Since that internal monologue persists even outside of meditation, it’s always hovering there. Buddha actually provided a technique for this—mindfulness in motion. It's really nothing more than staying fully aware and present in whatever is happening right now (thoughts, objects, sensations, etc.) by treating them simply as phenomena or movements within the field of consciousness.
I’ve laid out a condensed outline of the shift—essentially, how one redirects their focus away from illusion. It covers the essence of all practices, whether they stem from spiritual teachings or purely human ones, I guess.
Your description is somewhere in there. The methods might vary, but centering is the end goal, I guess.
Shifting one's perspective implies a change in consciousness. It’s a transformation that is perhaps necessary for human survival.
Silence belongs to the mage, I suppose.
Her throne resides within her heart. I guess we’re just focusing on that centered perspective.
Techniques generally serve to release the energy required for heart awakening, I suppose. Maybe.
Every single moment of silence counts. I guess whenever we find ourselves in that stillness—whether through some specific technique or just by pure chance—it deepens the quiet within us. It doesn't just vanish. Maybe.
I suppose all that silence we’ve been building up—the kind that eventually floods our conversations while we’re just going about our day—it stays there. Maybe those dialogues haven't fully dissolved yet; they still seem to be clinging to their own reality, tethering energy to them. But I guess they just sit off to the side, distant, without actually breaking our presence.
The entire being stays alert and active. I guess.
Talking to oneself isn't really an internal dialogue. I guess when we "talk" in our heads, we’re actually just shuffling through internal dialogues—kind of like little snapshots playing out a version of reality. Maybe.
I suppose we aren't even talking about the same internal dialogue. Mindfulness can't really exist without awareness. And that, I guess, is what requires true inner silence.
Why describe the movement in the same way? For me, that accumulation of silence was such wonderful news. It was an even more joyful experience, I suppose.
And that silence... it’s almost like nothingness itself isn't even part of the story. I guess.
If the flood comes, it’ll be here regardless. I guess.
From what I gather through my studies, Samadhi seems to be a state of peak tension. I suppose it's because there’s no winner involved—no sense of "blissful achievement" to cling to. Maybe that's why it feels so intense.
Expanding our awareness into new territories doesn't exactly win the war, I guess. Maybe it just changes the landscape.
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And while I have everyone's attention:
It might be useful to look into a few more practices. That way, I guess we can get a better "feel" for the one we eventually settle on.
Besides, if we aren't doubling up on techniques, I guess we could always just pick something from a different practice. Maybe.
At a Shambala center here in the States, I attended a workshop recently. It featured morning meditation led by some Rinpoche, followed by magic workshops in the afternoon.
Both paths stem from the same source—essentially a solar religion, if you will.
They share a core purpose: all spiritual practices exist to sustain life itself. And honestly, we all face the exact same struggles regardless of the path.
If we actually learn to recognize the underlying patterns through experience—which, I guess, takes time—we’ll start seeing them everywhere.
Practitioners often get caught up in the details and fail to see the commonalities.
Techniques can't handle stagnation, much like how education can't tolerate dogma.
Refreshing a practice with something new is practically a necessity.
People change, and the times we live in bring new complexities; maybe we only truly evolve by embracing that novelty.
If we let our intentions guide us, each practice becomes uniquely ours.
There’s no perfect formula for choosing a path because no two practitioners are ever truly identical... even if our basic anatomy is supposedly the same.
There are old ways, and then there are the innovators... among other things.
In the end, intention settles everything.