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Anthony Perez9 Anthony Perez9 Regular
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#341 ·
Morgan Brown5 said:Stevan Pešić actually drew inspiration for this drama from a real interview... back in 1899, Nikola Tesla sat down with "Immortality" magazine at his lab in Colorado Springs to talk shop...

A wiki-persona really ought to put in a bit more reading if they actually want to learn something. The way this guy is going about it is just unprofessional... see you at the next exam cycle. 😍

So, there’s no "interview," period. The whole text is just full of ridiculous contradictions, and now they’ve gone and turned Tesla into some kind of anthroposophist.

John Smith’s interview with Nikola Tesla.
Nikola Tesla in Colorado Springs on July 3rd, 1899.

REPORTER: Mr. Tesla, you’ve certainly earned a reputation as the kind of man who can't help but meddle in...
Cosmic processes... You recently gave a bunch of good people a heart attack claiming that vibrations...
You could slice through the country like an apple with a knife. Right here in Colorado Springs, they've created...
Lightning strikes; nobody’s ever pulled that off before. It’s just thousands upon thousands of bolts tearing through the sky.
Thunder's slamming into the mountain peaks. The ground is shaking, and all the animals and birds are just clearing out.
Wild fear. Thanks for being cool enough to let us duck out of the line of fire.
I feel safe in this house. My name is John Smith, and I'm a journalist.
The editor of the Bulletin of Immortality is none other than Emily Dickinson, and...
The director, Mr. Walt Whitman.

Tesla: I’ve always had a soft spot for Emily Dickinson's poetry, but as for the gentleman...
Whitman’s vibes really hit close to home for me. I'm always scrolling through this list, and honestly, in this way i have managed to maintain an undisturbed peace of mind.
Conversations would flow a lot smoother if we just scrapped the whole concept of time and space.

Pešić
Anthony Perez9 Anthony Perez9 Regular
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#342 ·
bluebison25 said:"I may say, also, that I am deeply religious at heart, although not in the Orthodox meaning, and that I give myself to the constant enjoyment of believing that the greatest mysteries of our being are still to be fathomed and that, all the evidence of the senses and the teachings of exact and dry sciences to the contrary notwithstanding, death itself may not be the termination of the wonderful metamorphoses we witness."

The unclear part is that you didn't even quote the full sentence.🙂

👍

Thanks for clearing up that quote. Even Dawkins calls himself "religious," arguing that scientists and inventors are often deeply devoted to their craft, sacrificing everything for the sake of humanity—which is a far cry from those fake saints or holy rollers.😂

Summary: Tesla is speaking to the IEEE about his life and work.

SPEECH ON BEHALF OF THE Edison Medal
A speech delivered before the IEEE,
May 18, 1917.

"On this occasion, you might want me to say something of a personal and more intimate character bearing on my work. One of the speakers suggested: "Tell us something about yourself, about your early struggles." If I am not mistaken in this surmise I will, with your approval, dwell briefly on this rather delicate subject. I may say, also, that I am deeply religious at heart, although not in the Orthodox meaning, and that I give myself to the constant enjoyment of belleving that the greatest mysteries of our being are still to be fathomed and that, all the evidence of the senses and the teachings of exact and dry sciences to the contrary notwithstanding, death itself may not be the termination of the wonderful metamorphoses we witness. In this way i have managed to maintain an undisturbed peace of mind, to make myself proof against adversity, and to achieve contentment and happiness to a point of extracting some satisfaction even from the darker side of life, the trials and tribulations of existence. I have fame and untold wealth, more than all this, and yet - how many articles have been written in which I was declared to be an impractical unsuccesful man, and how many poor, struggling writers, have called me a visionary. Such is the folly and shortsightedness of the world!"
Zachary Gonzalez8 Zachary Gonzalez8 Member
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#343 ·
bluebison25 said:"I may say, also, that I am deeply religious at heart, although not in the Orthodox meaning, and that I give myself to the constant enjoyment of believing that the greatest mysteries of our being are still to be fathomed and that, all the evidence of the senses and the teachings of exact and dry sciences to the contrary notwithstanding, death itself may not be the termination of the wonderful metamorphoses we witness."

The unclear part is that you didn't even quote the full sentence.🙂

what was the writer actually getting at here?

The quote clearly shows that Tesla wasn't an atheist. Which, honestly, was the whole point of the post...
Zachary Gonzalez8 Zachary Gonzalez8 Member
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#344 ·
Anthony Perez9 said:👍

Thanks for clearing up that quote. Even Dawkins calls himself "religious," arguing that scientists and inventors are often deeply devoted to their craft, sacrificing everything for the sake of humanity—which is a far cry from those fake saints or holy rollers.😂

Summary: Tesla is speaking to the IEEE about his life and work.

SPEECH ON BEHALF OF THE Edison Medal
A speech delivered before the IEEE,
May 18, 1917.

"On this occasion, you might want me to say something of a personal and more intimate character bearing on my work. One of the speakers suggested: "Tell us something about yourself, about your early struggles." If I am not mistaken in this surmise I will, with your approval, dwell briefly on this rather delicate subject. I may say, also, that I am deeply religious at heart, although not in the Orthodox meaning, and that I give myself to the constant enjoyment of belleving that the greatest mysteries of our being are still to be fathomed and that, all the evidence of the senses and the teachings of exact and dry sciences to the contrary notwithstanding, death itself may not be the termination of the wonderful metamorphoses we witness. In this way i have managed to maintain an undisturbed peace of mind, to make myself proof against adversity, and to achieve contentment and happiness to a point of extracting some satisfaction even from the darker side of life, the trials and tribulations of existence. I have fame and untold wealth, more than all this, and yet - how many articles have been written in which I was declared to be an impractical unsuccesful man, and how many poor, struggling writers, have called me a visionary. Such is the folly and shortsightedness of the world!"

You're talking nonsense ☕
bluebison25 bluebison25 Active Member
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#345 ·
Fine, let me translate that for you—though honestly, you should probably just pick up a language primer instead of obsessing over the Bible: "I could also say that I am deeply religious at heart, though not in any orthodox sense (meaning, I refuse to be pigeonholed into a specific faith just because you're trying to force it on me). I allow myself the luxury of believing that the greatest mysteries of our existence haven't been solved yet, and that despite all the sensory evidence and scientific teachings out there, death itself doesn't necessarily have to be the end of the beautiful metamorphosis we are witnessing."
Zachary Gonzalez8 Zachary Gonzalez8 Member
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#346 ·
bluebison25 said:Fine, let me translate that for you—though honestly, you should probably just pick up a language primer instead of obsessing over the Bible: "I could also say that I am deeply religious at heart, though not in any orthodox sense (meaning, I refuse to be pigeonholed into a specific faith just because you're trying to force it on me). I allow myself the luxury of believing that the greatest mysteries of our existence haven't been solved yet, and that despite all the sensory evidence and scientific teachings out there, death itself doesn't necessarily have to be the end of the beautiful metamorphosis we are witnessing."

Man, you are completely lost in your own delusions. Anthony Perez9 claimed Tesla was an atheist, so I posted a quote proving that’s just plain wrong. You can't be an atheist and simultaneously deeply religious at heart. I wasn't imposing anything on anyone. It's just your own illusions making you see things that aren't there. If you actually want to prove me wrong, then go ahead—show me where I'm forcing some specific religious dogma onto Tesla.
bluebison25 bluebison25 Active Member
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#347 ·
Atheism, in its broadest sense, is simply the disbelief or denial of the existence of gods.

Look, buddy, as the most hardcore atheist on this entire forum, I HONESTLY BELIEVE in my heart that I’ll actually brush my teeth before bed tonight. So now, you try telling me I believe in your Allah
Zachary Gonzalez8 Zachary Gonzalez8 Member
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#348 ·
bluebison25 said:Atheism, in its broadest sense, is simply the disbelief or denial of the existence of gods.

Look, buddy, as the most hardcore atheist on this entire forum, I HONESTLY BELIEVE in my heart that I’ll actually brush my teeth before bed tonight. So now, you try telling me I believe in your Allah

You're losing your mind ☕

By the way, congrats on the "biggest atheist" title. You're truly a shining example...
bluebison25 bluebison25 Active Member
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#349 ·
Zachary Gonzalez8 said:You're losing your mind ☕

By the way, congrats on the "biggest atheist" title. You're truly a shining example...

I'll own up to my mistake. I didn't connect the word "religious" to faith, spirituality, or piety during the translation—I basically translated the term through my own lens. In this instance, Tesla tripped himself up with his own statement and took me down with him.

edit: I honestly can't wrap my head around how Tesla could have even said that...
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
577 messages
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#350 ·
Zachary Gonzalez8 said:Man, you are completely lost in your own delusions. Anthony Perez9 claimed Tesla was an atheist, so I posted a quote proving that’s just plain wrong. You can't be an atheist and simultaneously deeply religious at heart. I wasn't imposing anything on anyone. It's just your own illusions making you see things that aren't there. If you actually want to prove me wrong, then go ahead—show me where I'm forcing some specific religious dogma onto Tesla.

So what you're saying is Tesla was a RELIGIOUS atheist 😕😍

But honestly, that isn't even that strange. I mean, people often call Buddhism an ATHEISTIC religion, right? 🙂

At the end of the day, everything just boils down to how you define God.
Morgan Brown5 Morgan Brown5 Member
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#351 ·
"Life is a rhythm you have to learn to recognize. I feel that rhythm, and I navigate by it, letting it carry me... It’s incredibly grateful, and it’s given me everything I know. Everything that breathes is tied together by these profound, beautiful connections: humans and the stars, an amoeba and the sun, our own hearts and the orbits of infinite worlds. These bonds are unbreakable, yet we can learn to work with them, shaping new relationships in this world without destroying the old ones. Knowledge flows from the cosmos; our vision is its most perfect receiver. We possess two sets of eyes: the earthly kind and the spiritual kind. We should strive to make them function as one. The universe is alive in all its forms, much like a sentient creature. A stone is a thinking, feeling entity, just as plants, animals, and people are. A shining star is looking back at us, waiting to be seen—if we weren't so caught up in ourselves, we might actually understand its language and its messages. A person must align their breathing, their sight, and their hearing with the breathing, sight, and hearing of the universe."

(Nikola Tesla)
Anthony Perez9 Anthony Perez9 Regular
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#352 ·
Morgan Brown5 said:"Life is a rhythm you have to learn to recognize. I feel that rhythm, and I navigate by it, letting it carry me... It’s incredibly grateful, and it’s given me everything I know. Everything that breathes is tied together by these profound, beautiful connections: humans and the stars, an amoeba and the sun, our own hearts and the orbits of infinite worlds. These bonds are unbreakable, yet we can learn to work with them, shaping new relationships in this world without destroying the old ones. Knowledge flows from the cosmos; our vision is its most perfect receiver. We possess two sets of eyes: the earthly kind and the spiritual kind. We should strive to make them function as one. The universe is alive in all its forms, much like a sentient creature. A stone is a thinking, feeling entity, just as plants, animals, and people are. A shining star is looking back at us, waiting to be seen—if we weren't so caught up in ourselves, we might actually understand its language and its messages. A person must align their breathing, their sight, and their hearing with the breathing, sight, and hearing of the universe."

(Nikola Tesla)

(XX)

No matter how "inspiring" this sounds to the New Age crowd, attributing these words to Nikola Tesla is a total lie.

If this was signed by some anonymous person, it might actually mean something, but as it stands, it's just more sugary nonsense that has zero connection to our famous Ličanin.

And it definitely has nothing to do with God, who doesn't go around sending out "knowledge"—true insight comes from within the human being.
Morgan Brown5 Morgan Brown5 Member
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#353 ·
Anthony Perez9 said:(XX)

No matter how "inspiring" this sounds to the New Age crowd, attributing these words to Nikola Tesla is a total lie.

If this was signed by some anonymous person, it might actually mean something, but as it stands, it's just more sugary nonsense that has zero connection to our famous Ličanin.

And it definitely has nothing to do with God, who doesn't go around sending out "knowledge"—true insight comes from within the human being.

I never claimed God sends down knowledge, and I'm not claiming it now. If anything, I'd argue God has nothing to do with man in a direct sense. But seriously, just pick up his autobiography and read what the man was actually talking about...
Morgan Brown5 Morgan Brown5 Member
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#354 ·
“Aristotle taught that there is an unmoved Entelechy in the universe—the driving force behind everything—and thought is its primary attribute. I hold the same conviction: that the entire cosmos is interconnected, both materially and spiritually. There exists a core within the universe from which we draw all our strength and inspiration; it exerts a constant pull on us, and I can feel its power and the values it radiates to the rest of existence to maintain universal balance. I haven't unlocked the secret of this core, but I know it’s there. When I try to give it a physical form, I think of it as light... and when I attempt to grasp it spiritually, it manifests as beauty and compassion. Anyone who carries this faith feels a sense of strength. Their work becomes a source of joy because they feel themselves to be just one note in the grand, universal harmony.” Nikola Tesla
Anthony Perez9 Anthony Perez9 Regular
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#355 ·
Morgan Brown5 said:“Aristotle taught that there is an unmoved Entelechy in the universe—the driving force behind everything—and thought is its primary attribute. I hold the same conviction: that the entire cosmos is interconnected, both materially and spiritually. There exists a core within the universe from which we draw all our strength and inspiration; it exerts a constant pull on us, and I can feel its power and the values it radiates to the rest of existence to maintain universal balance. I haven't unlocked the secret of this core, but I know it’s there. When I try to give it a physical form, I think of it as light... and when I attempt to grasp it spiritually, it manifests as beauty and compassion. Anyone who carries this faith feels a sense of strength. Their work becomes a source of joy because they feel themselves to be just one note in the grand, universal harmony.” Nikola Tesla

If he actually said that, it’s some pretty interesting pantheism, kind of like Einstein's vibe. 👍
It’s got nothing to do with God, Jesus being crucified, Allah, or any religious holy books out there.
Morgan Brown5 Morgan Brown5 Member
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#356 ·
Anthony Perez9 said:If he actually said that, it’s some pretty interesting pantheism, kind of like Einstein's vibe. 👍
It’s got nothing to do with God, Jesus being crucified, Allah, or any religious holy books out there.

Honestly, I have no clue where you got the idea that Tesla had anything to do with dogma in the first place. 😕

He did look at Christianity—specifically those underlying moral principles woven through it regardless of its formal structure—as a sort of religion of the future, blended with Buddhism.

You don't even need to use the word God; that term is already tied up in Christian tradition anyway. Beyond all the talk of pantheism, there is just a single mover, which is natural induction within a unified philosophical system... much like the concept of a singularity in theoretical physics.
Paul Anderson2 Paul Anderson2 Active Member
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#357 ·
Anthony Perez9 said:So, there’s no "interview," period. The whole text is just full of ridiculous contradictions, and now they’ve gone and turned Tesla into some kind of anthroposophist.

John Smith’s interview with Nikola Tesla.
Nikola Tesla in Colorado Springs on July 3rd, 1899.

REPORTER: Mr. Tesla, you’ve certainly earned a reputation as the kind of man who can't help but meddle in...
Cosmic processes... You recently gave a bunch of good people a heart attack claiming that vibrations...
You could slice through the country like an apple with a knife. Right here in Colorado Springs, they've created...
Lightning strikes; nobody’s ever pulled that off before. It’s just thousands upon thousands of bolts tearing through the sky.
Thunder's slamming into the mountain peaks. The ground is shaking, and all the animals and birds are just clearing out.
Wild fear. Thanks for being cool enough to let us duck out of the line of fire.
I feel safe in this house. My name is John Smith, and I'm a journalist.
The editor of the Bulletin of Immortality is none other than Emily Dickinson, and...
The director, Mr. Walt Whitman.

Tesla: I’ve always had a soft spot for Emily Dickinson's poetry, but as for the gentleman...
Whitman’s vibes really hit close to home for me. I'm always scrolling through this list, and honestly, in this way i have managed to maintain an undisturbed peace of mind.
Conversations would flow a lot smoother if we just scrapped the whole concept of time and space.

Pešić

Emily Dickinson She passed away back in 1886, I guess. Walt Whitman 1892.

I mean, it’s not even saying that Dickinson spent basically her entire life in Amherst. AmherstIt wasn't even really public knowledge back when she was older.

For that one. Bulletin of Immortality I've never heard of that. I tried searching Google, but it only brings up one result—some alleged conversation with Tesla.

Tesla was a mystic, really. But unfortunately, he ended up surrounded by all sorts of mystifiers and complete lunatics...
Richard Davis7 Richard Davis7 Newcomer
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#358 ·
God doesn't withhold knowledge just to make it easier for the unthinking masses to be controlled. "Trust in Yahweh with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding (Proverbs 3:5)." Once you gain mastery over hordes of zombies—those who follow commands blindly out of sheer fear—you become nearly invincible.
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
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#359 ·
Morgan Brown5 said:"Life is a rhythm you have to learn to recognize. I feel that rhythm, and I navigate by it, letting it carry me... It’s incredibly grateful, and it’s given me everything I know. Everything that breathes is tied together by these profound, beautiful connections: humans and the stars, an amoeba and the sun, our own hearts and the orbits of infinite worlds. These bonds are unbreakable, yet we can learn to work with them, shaping new relationships in this world without destroying the old ones. Knowledge flows from the cosmos; our vision is its most perfect receiver. We possess two sets of eyes: the earthly kind and the spiritual kind. We should strive to make them function as one. The universe is alive in all its forms, much like a sentient creature. A stone is a thinking, feeling entity, just as plants, animals, and people are. A shining star is looking back at us, waiting to be seen—if we weren't so caught up in ourselves, we might actually understand its language and its messages. A person must align their breathing, their sight, and their hearing with the breathing, sight, and hearing of the universe."

(Nikola Tesla)

If Nikola Tesla hadn't been credited at the end of that paragraph, I honestly would have assumed Deepak Chopra wrote it:
😁


Though, if I'm being perfectly honest, I’m actually a step ahead of Chopra. He was initiated into TM back in 1981, but I managed to get through it a full year before him. 😲 😍
Arthur Grant8 Arthur Grant8 Member
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joined Feb 2012
#360 ·
Of course God shares His wisdom!
Everything we understand today is simply because God made it possible!
He designed our brains and breathed life into them, igniting the very spirit that drives the human mind...
Yet, for our own protection, He placed limits on what we can grasp, knowing how easily knowledge can be twisted for evil. People get arrogant, taking all the credit for themselves instead of realizing everything is a gift from God! Honestly, the world is teetering on the edge of nuclear war right now specifically because humanity uses its intelligence for destruction rather than good.

It’s tragic, really. Most people will perish in their own pride, cursing the day they ever sought knowledge. Their obsession with "knowing" just led them toward ingratitude and an open rebellion against the Creator—falsely accusing Him of being stingy!
But He gave us everything! He gave us life and the capacity to think! He taught us to love, showing us that love is the only true thing worth knowing, for true wisdom is born from love alone... yet some people tried to hold God hostage just to gain power through knowledge!
What a tragedy, these walking dead souls... God, have mercy on them!😢🙂

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