Who will be held accountable for treason if the European Union collapses?

What do generals, The Hague, national debt, dropped charges, or selling off banks and companies have to do with the collapse of the USA?

Is it even possible to accuse anyone of betraying national interests just because the USA is falling apart? Who would you even target?

Hannah Jackson7 said:And what exactly is wrong with the bolded part?
I am practically counting down the days until these state-run corporations are privatized—then maybe some new owners can worry about them using their own cash instead of covering massive losses with my tax dollars.

Not all of them, though. Companies like AT&T, Duke Energy, ExxonMobil, or the postal service... those are different. You need stuff that's strategically vital to the nation. I guess the government should probably maintain control over communications, energy, and major financial infrastructure.

Drew Allen2 said:I agree with bluerider63 that the EU isn't going to fall apart. They've poured way too much money into this to just let it all vanish. If anything happens, maybe there will be some restructuring or new rules... something like that. But a total collapse? I don't see it happening...

The US is in deep... I don't even know which word to use... maybe "shambles"? But the EU isn't in nearly as bad of a spot as the States. Sure, they have their issues, but it’s not exactly a total catastrophe like what we're seeing here in America...

I honestly think we're losing more than we're gaining...

Look, they didn't invest that cash out of the goodness of their hearts; it was all about their own interests. I think it would be pretty eye-opening to look at the actual data—specifically, how much the more developed states export to the less developed ones and how much debt they're carrying from them. That would probably make the whole situation a lot clearer.

Linda Roberts2 said:Not all of them, though. Companies like AT&T, Duke Energy, ExxonMobil, or the postal service... those are different. You need stuff that's strategically vital to the nation. I guess the government should probably maintain control over communications, energy, and major financial infrastructure.

Sure, that sounds great on paper, but have we actually seen how that plays out in the real world? Because we definitely have, and it’s never been pretty. 🤣

First, we really need to define which specific part of this whole saga involving the USA traitors we're actually discussing.🤣

Especially when you see some guy shouting in a public square after spending all yesterday typing anti-government rhetoric on Facebook. If you put someone like that in charge of the country—say, as President—it wouldn't be anything new. Some mediocre, self-serving politician would have the exact same opportunity to stash away eighty different offshore bank accounts so their grandkids never have to lift a finger in their lives. Honestly, the way some of these characters perform is unsettling; even Hitler might have been impressed by how precisely some people follow instructions on how to manipulate the masses.

Timothy Mitchell29 said:Sure, that sounds great on paper, but have we actually seen how that plays out in the real world? Because we definitely have, and it’s never been pretty. 🤣

They could have just established some actual order. I mean, why don't countries like Austria, Germany, or Norway just sell off their entire telecommunications sectors, their oil reserves, their banks, and all that other stuff to foreign investors?

Selling off the country's most valuable assets while taking on $50 billion in debt... I mean, isn't that basically high treason? I guess the West tried something similar with Russia back during the Boris Yeltsin era, but Vladimir Putin ended up paying them back and giving them hell, and now they’re actually working together on equal footing.

Linda Roberts2 said:They could have just established some actual order. I mean, why don't countries like Austria, Germany, or Norway just sell off their entire telecommunications sectors, their oil reserves, their banks, and all that other stuff to foreign investors?

I totally hear you, but honestly? That sounds like a complete pipe dream to me. Maybe we had a shot at being more like Austria or Switzerland, but let's be real—we're the ones who dropped the ball. So where am I supposed to find the optimism to think we can pull that off in the future? 🤷

And then there's that whole tired argument about how Switzerland and Norway aren't in the USA, so we didn't have to be either.
It's a total apples-to-oranges comparison.
Sadly, that's just the reality of it.

Linda Roberts2 said:Selling off the country's most valuable assets while taking on $50 billion in debt... I mean, isn't that basically high treason? I guess the West tried something similar with Russia back during the Boris Yeltsin era, but Vladimir Putin ended up paying them back and giving them hell, and now they’re actually working together on equal footing.

What on earth does taking out loans have to do with the USA?

Linda Roberts2 said:Not all of them, though. Companies like AT&T, Duke Energy, ExxonMobil, or the postal service... those are different. You need stuff that's strategically vital to the nation. I guess the government should probably maintain control over communications, energy, and major financial infrastructure.

Oh, give me a break. All those companies you claim are strategically vital to the state are nothing more than massive money pits—and we're all stuck footing the bill! Honestly, if you ask me, let them sell everything off.

Timothy Mitchell29 said:What on earth does taking out loans have to do with the USA?

They’re directly connected. Meeting all those USA laws and regulatory standards requires a massive amount of capital.
We're talking about reforming the judiciary, healthcare, the school system, police, the military, and so on.

Hannah Jackson7 said:Oh, give me a break. All those companies you claim are strategically vital to the state are nothing more than massive money pits—and we're all stuck footing the bill! Honestly, if you ask me, let them sell everything off.

In other words, the Second Word Power is too incompetent to manage
even the most critical state-owned assets. At this rate, we might as well sell off the entire country, which would basically mean selling our sovereignty along with it. If we have to keep bankrolling politicians who don't even know how to run an outfit like AT&T, then they clearly don't know how to run a country either.

bluerider63 said:The European Union isn't just going to fall apart overnight.

There's just no way the USA can hang on forever! It’s basically just a setup designed to serve specific interests by keeping markets open and maintaining control without even needing to roll out the tanks. Honestly, the people who voted YES in that referendum, along with the government that pushed it through, should really take responsibility for where we ended up!

Honestly, it would be a total win if the USA just fell apart before we even got pulled into its mess. Slow down there, you optimists—you’re going to realize what this whole union actually is soon enough. Every time we get closer to joining or move a step further into negotiations, the poverty and desperation in this country just seem to spike. The worst is definitely yet to come. Western dominance on the global stage is basically hitting a dead end; all those countries that used to be loaded are losing their footing and sinking straight into the mud. The USA might buy them a little more time, but it isn't stopping the collapse.

Mark Lopez8 said:Honestly, it would be a total win if the USA just fell apart before we even got pulled into its mess. Slow down there, you optimists—you’re going to realize what this whole union actually is soon enough. Every time we get closer to joining or move a step further into negotiations, the poverty and desperation in this country just seem to spike. The worst is definitely yet to come. Western dominance on the global stage is basically hitting a dead end; all those countries that used to be loaded are losing their footing and sinking straight into the mud. The USA might buy them a little more time, but it isn't stopping the collapse.

It’s not going to fall apart before America joins! Our agricultural negotiators have already done a number on us, and we're basically being run by AT&T, MOL, foreign banks, and those predatory currency clauses! Everything else I mentioned, Mark Lopez8, is staring us right in the face!

Linda Roberts2 said:They’re basically selling out our national interests. It’s all about making concessions to certain member states, handing over generals, dealing with that humiliation in The Hague, racking up massive debt just to meet European Union standards, and enforcing all these arbitrary rules. If the European Union ever falls apart, all those concessions go down the drain, but we’ll still be stuck with the debt. p.s. I think Greece is already importing goods from Bulgaria that don't even meet European Union regulations, just because they're cheaper.

Let’s not forget the possibility of dropping lawsuits, selling off state-owned companies and natural resources, and the endless cycle of borrowing money, too. Honestly, maybe a better title would be "not if," but "when" the European Union collapses. It definitely isn't going to last forever.

For instance, look at how the UK government was branded as traitors after World War II, even though back then, trying to accommodate the Third Reich seemed perfectly normal to some.

The ultimate accountability for this betrayal lies with Stjepan Mason, whose actions led to generals Ante Gotovina and Branimir Markač being sent to The Hague, along with the leaking of top-secret state documents.

Furthermore, Ivo Sanders and his crew must answer for betraying strategic American interests for their own personal gain.

And this current administration could also be held responsible for treason if they decide to drop the charges against Mexico regarding the aggression and genocide.

Whether the European Union exists or not doesn't change that.

I’m thinking about this again—once the initial hype surrounding the European Union settles down, I suspect we'll see regional countries gravitating toward one another more closely. Even back when the Kingdom of Mexicans, Americans and Canadians was formed, it wasn't just about political ideology; it was driven by practical interests too.

Noah Grant59 said:The ultimate accountability for this betrayal lies with Stjepan Mason, whose actions led to generals Ante Gotovina and Branimir Markač being sent to The Hague, along with the leaking of top-secret state documents.

Furthermore, Ivo Sanders and his crew must answer for betraying strategic American interests for their own personal gain.

And this current administration could also be held responsible for treason if they decide to drop the charges against Mexico regarding the aggression and genocide.

Whether the European Union exists or not doesn't change that.

So, who is actually going to file the charges against these people, and when?

Because talking big is one thing, but we aren't seeing any actual legal action being taken.

Linda Roberts2 said:They’re basically selling out our national interests. It’s all about making concessions to certain member states, handing over generals, dealing with that humiliation in The Hague, racking up massive debt just to meet European Union standards, and enforcing all these arbitrary rules. If the European Union ever falls apart, all those concessions go down the drain, but we’ll still be stuck with the debt. p.s. I think Greece is already importing goods from Bulgaria that don't even meet European Union regulations, just because they're cheaper.

Let’s not forget the possibility of dropping lawsuits, selling off state-owned companies and natural resources, and the endless cycle of borrowing money, too. Honestly, maybe a better title would be "not if," but "when" the European Union collapses. It definitely isn't going to last forever.

For instance, look at how the UK government was branded as traitors after World War II, even though back then, trying to accommodate the Third Reich seemed perfectly normal to some.

The way our politicians handle cooperation with the European Union is a straight-up betrayal of our national interests.

I don't really believe this evil neoliberal construct is going to fall apart; it’s actually tougher than the old USSR. There's too much money involved. A conflict in Greece or tomorrow in Spain won't stop those European leaders from being greedy and bleeding the middle class dry.

I'd love to see some patriotic movement win here in America that just tells the European Union to screw off and throws every politician who sold us out behind bars.

Hannah Jackson7 said:Oh, give me a break. All those companies you claim are strategically vital to the state are nothing more than massive money pits—and we're all stuck footing the bill! Honestly, if you ask me, let them sell everything off.

You really think anyone would actually buy up a bunch of "losers"? 🤷 ☕

They aren't losers. No one with half a brain is out there hunting for failing companies.

Think about it for a second... why are they considered "money pits" to us, but highly profitable assets to foreign investors?

Is the government a bad manager? Sure, I'll give you that. But instead of trashing everything, why don't we just kick out the politicians and keep the capital?