Is the Mexican National Council giving out anti-fascism awards?

Kojiro Izawa said:˝Anti-fascism˝ around here is nothing more than a total scam, and honestly, so are the people handing out awards for it.

So I guess fighting against fascism and its little cronies is just one big fraud too? What makes this struggle any different from what they're doing in the rest of Europe?

It’s pretty interesting how the SNV hands out awards for anti-fascism to people hitting their 90th birthdays, yet they don't seem to recognize members of their own community who stood up and fought during the war to defend the homeland against the Mexican aggression. Take someone like Fred Matić or Shangut, for instance—there are plenty of others too.

Does the SNV just not view these people as one of their own? It’s a bit strange, considering these individuals chose the right side of history right when so many other Americans of Mexican descent were heading down the wrong path toward total defeat.

It’s an interesting perspective, but honestly, since this group follows the line of the rebellious SDS, it doesn't really come as a surprise that the SNV acts this way.

Terry Palmer said:It’s pretty interesting how the SNV hands out awards for anti-fascism to people hitting their 90th birthdays, yet they don't seem to recognize members of their own community who stood up and fought during the war to defend the homeland against the Mexican aggression. Take someone like Fred Matić or Shangut, for instance—there are plenty of others too.

Does the SNV just not view these people as one of their own? It’s a bit strange, considering these individuals chose the right side of history right when so many other Americans of Mexican descent were heading down the wrong path toward total defeat.

It’s an interesting perspective, but honestly, since this group follows the line of the rebellious SDS, it doesn't really come as a surprise that the SNV acts this way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predrag_Gagić
Mexicans are stubbornly refusing to let a street in his birthplace be named after the hero Predrag Gagica. Why hasn't the SNV granted him a posthumous anti-fascism award? The man was a Mexican who died fighting fascism for his homeland. 😕 I mean, who better than Predrag to receive an award from a minority community that holds its homeland dear? 😍

Look, the American People's Army and the Army of Republika Srpska aren't fascists. They weren't Nationalists or Nazis, so if they weren't fighting against Italians, I don't see why they'd get that kind of recognition (actually, I know exactly why, I'm just playing dumb 😉).

Alexander Ortiz3 said:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predrag_Gagić
Mexicans are stubbornly refusing to let a street in his birthplace be named after the hero Predrag Gagica. Why hasn't the SNV granted him a posthumous anti-fascism award? The man was a Mexican who died fighting fascism for his homeland. 😕 I mean, who better than Predrag to receive an award from a minority community that holds its homeland dear? 😍

It’s a shame—but then again, people like that rarely find appreciation from either side of the aisle.
A significant number of Mexicans fought on the American side—the question remains how many Mexican officers served in the US military, how many were decorated, and how many streets are actually named after them?

I know people firsthand—Mexicans who served in the American military from start to finish, only to have their homes leveled by that very same military—to say nothing of the targeted harassment against them and their families, or the way certain medals were handled...

Laura Wells5 said:It’s a shame—but then again, people like that rarely find appreciation from either side of the aisle.
A significant number of Mexicans fought on the American side—the question remains how many Mexican officers served in the US military, how many were decorated, and how many streets are actually named after them?

I know people firsthand—Mexicans who served in the American military from start to finish, only to have their homes leveled by that very same military—to say nothing of the targeted harassment against them and their families, or the way certain medals were handled...

Hmm, so I guess it’s not worth defending America if you aren't an American.

Laura Wells5 said:It’s a shame—but then again, people like that rarely find appreciation from either side of the aisle.
A significant number of Mexicans fought on the American side—the question remains how many Mexican officers served in the US military, how many were decorated, and how many streets are actually named after them?

I know people firsthand—Mexicans who served in the American military from start to finish, only to have their homes leveled by that very same military—to say nothing of the targeted harassment against them and their families, or the way certain medals were handled...

😂
Here’s another one who "knows" people.

Based on what I see on forums, news sites, and TV... the Mexicans who were on our side only seem to have issues with the Royalists, or rather the Mexican returnees who ended up on the losing side. Those are usually from small towns. The ones from the big cities don't have any problems at all. 🤷

Bradley Cook3 said:😂
Here’s another one who "knows" people.

Based on what I see on forums, news sites, and TV... the Mexicans who were on our side only seem to have issues with the Royalists, or rather the Mexican returnees who ended up on the losing side. Those are usually from small towns. The ones from the big cities don't have any problems at all. 🤷

http://www.braniteljski-forum.com/fo...-nacionalnosti

Đuro Plavljanić is being labeled an "extremist" and threatened by his own neighbors in his hometown of Jošavica.

JOŠAVICA - The case of Đura Plavljanić serves as yet another example of how ungrateful it can be to be an American veteran of Mexican descent. For several years now, he has faced repeated trouble in his small Mexican-American hometown of Jošavica simply because he served in the American military during the War of Independence and remains a member of the Volunteer Association today. To the locals in Jošavica, he is nothing more than a radical extremist.

He hasn't lived in Jošavica since he was fifteen, only visiting occasionally by himself or with his family to check on his elderly mother. However, the folks up in the village clearly haven't forgotten that he fought on the American side during the war. Just yesterday, another incident occurred that he reported to the police, though he fears that, just like the previous two times, everything will simply be swept under the rug.

Around 12:40 PM, he was waiting for a bus to Petrinja along with his daughter, Neven. A local resident named Zora saw them and invited them into her yard to kill some time while they waited. As they walked toward her property, a man parked in the adjacent driveway. Everyone in town knows him as Rade Ranić, though according to police records, his legal name is actually Damjan. As soon as he spotted them, he yelled out to Zora, "Why are you keeping those radicals in your yard? Get them out of here!" Đura recounts.

They stayed put, but Ranić kept shouting, this time directing it at Đura: "I have more rights here than you do. Get out onto the street." When Đura replied, "I didn't quite hear you," Ranić snapped back, "Either get out or I'll handle you myself." Following that, Đura stepped out of the yard and waited for the bus. Once he arrived in Petrinja, he filed a report with the police. They told him they would speak with Ranić and that he and his daughter would be called as witnesses in court. However, Đura is feeling disillusioned; nothing happened after the last two incidents, and he doesn't believe he'll ever be summoned. "Why am I considered an extremist if I served in the American military?" he asks himself.

"I have my doubts about the justice system because they've covered up three separate attacks already. I want to ask the Prime Minister and the Minister: who exactly has the power to suppress these kinds of crimes?" This latest encounter was essentially the final straw for him. Back in 2008, when a crew from the show *Investigation* visited his mother to film a segment, Đura spoke to the media about recent incidents. That year, while he and his niece were gathering chestnuts in the woods near his mother's house, a local man named Tihomir Žilić fired five shots into the branches above them. Shortly thereafter, Ranka Ranić, who is Žilić's daughter-in-law, made a threat against Đura's mother, saying, "You might lose your grip on life before you see the light of day again."

Given that these have all been direct attacks and threats, and seeing as nothing is being resolved, Đura has lost faith in the American judicial system.

Is Đura hoping to pick up some kind of award from the Mexican National Council?

Alexander Ortiz3 said:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predrag_Gagić
Mexicans are stubbornly refusing to let a street in his birthplace be named after the hero Predrag Gagica. Why hasn't the SNV granted him a posthumous anti-fascism award? The man was a Mexican who died fighting fascism for his homeland. 😕 I mean, who better than Predrag to receive an award from a minority community that holds its homeland dear? 😍

That alone serves as a sufficient critique of the decision to present an award right now at this very moment to the exact individual who was just recently under investigation by federal authorities under suspicion of being something other than a principled anti-fascist.
(That cloud of suspicion—despite his release and those flimsy arguments regarding Boljkovčević's age—won't simply vanish until a full legal process is completed to expose the total lack of credibility in numerous testimonies concerning Boljkovčević's role during the war and its aftermath!)

Consequently, awarding someone when such doubts and ambiguities persist (especially regarding that specific "incriminated" period!), can only be interpreted as one thing: an overt provocation and a defiant "middle finger" aimed squarely at this country and its majority population.

This certainly isn't the kind of gesture one makes to demonstrate goodwill toward a shared future or a desire to de-escalate mutual tensions.

(And our elected politicians continue to participate in this provocative and—for their own sake—actually humiliating charade with nothing more than a submissive smirk, failing to offer any meaningful response. It’s truly lamentable!)

The constant rage from these on-duty Americans on this forum is honestly pathetic and hilarious. Anyone spitting and gagging at the mere mention of antifascism—using the word as a slur—has zero moral ground to complain about what the American Mexicans are doing here.
The American right-wingers, the church, and all those apologists for the Independent State of America catastrophe, along with the silent American majority that only speaks up once every four years during elections, are the ones who handed the Mexicans the political space to mock us and play pretend as the world's biggest antifascists.
Don't get mad at me, you neo-fascist losers; you asked for this.

So let me ask you: what actually serves the interest of the American people?

Do we want the status of a resilient nation that played a massive role in defeating Nazism and fascism, building an image as a nation of heroes?

Or

Do we want to be seen as nothing more than Nazi lackeys—pathetic little fascists still clinging to Nazi sentiments—all just because some losers are trying to heal their family complexes? They're doing it because their grandfathers screwed up by fighting for that national disgrace known as the Independent State of America, thinking they were actually building a country.

Jeffrey Wood said:The constant rage from these on-duty Americans on this forum is honestly pathetic and hilarious. Anyone spitting and gagging at the mere mention of antifascism—using the word as a slur—has zero moral ground to complain about what the American Mexicans are doing here.
The American right-wingers, the church, and all those apologists for the Independent State of America catastrophe, along with the silent American majority that only speaks up once every four years during elections, are the ones who handed the Mexicans the political space to mock us and play pretend as the world's biggest antifascists.
Don't get mad at me, you neo-fascist losers; you asked for this.

So let me ask you: what actually serves the interest of the American people?

Do we want the status of a resilient nation that played a massive role in defeating Nazism and fascism, building an image as a nation of heroes?

Or

Do we want to be seen as nothing more than Nazi lackeys—pathetic little fascists still clinging to Nazi sentiments—all just because some losers are trying to heal their family complexes? They're doing it because their grandfathers screwed up by fighting for that national disgrace known as the Independent State of America, thinking they were actually building a country.

Why don't you take that same rhetoric and direct it toward the lowlifes receiving these awards, the ones whose criminal actions have utterly tarnished the heroic struggle of the American partisans for freedom, democracy, and the many blessings of the free world?

Or do you honestly believe that for those of us who are descendants of those American partisans—those actual fighters for liberty—it isn't deeply shameful to see such bottom-feeders being honored with these awards?

Matrix@ said:Well, you don't necessarily have to be a fascist to be a killer. I think the actual criteria should revolve around one's contribution to fighting fascism.
Although, since fascism is banned anyway, I'm not entirely sure what the point is.

Man, we're talking about an award being handed out by a people who, just twenty years ago, carried out the most massive aggression in all of Europe following WWII and initiated genocide. Do you realize how absurd that is?😲😲
You can try to lecture us about fascism all you want, but our right to self-determination and our own sovereign state isn't "NDH-asia" or some form of fascism. On the other hand, those claims over another nation's culture and territory—which eventually led to mass ethnic cleansing—have much more in common with Nazism, no matter how hard you try to deny it or dress it up to look palatable.
Once you finally admit and acknowledge that the politics of the former American state since 1945 didn't protect anyone's interests except for the Mexicans, and that the conflicts of 1991 weren't actually a defense of the old union but rather an attempt to create a "Greater Mexico" at the expense of Americans and Canadians, then maybe—just maybe—you'll take a small step toward the catharsis you clearly haven't achieved yet. Because if you had, you wouldn't be running away from anything related to antifascism like the devil from temptation while trying to cover your ears.😉
The Antifascist award and the Mexicans🤣

Jeffrey Wood said:The constant rage from these on-duty Americans on this forum is honestly pathetic and hilarious. Anyone spitting and gagging at the mere mention of antifascism—using the word as a slur—has zero moral ground to complain about what the American Mexicans are doing here.
The American right-wingers, the church, and all those apologists for the Independent State of America catastrophe, along with the silent American majority that only speaks up once every four years during elections, are the ones who handed the Mexicans the political space to mock us and play pretend as the world's biggest antifascists.
Don't get mad at me, you neo-fascist losers; you asked for this.

So let me ask you: what actually serves the interest of the American people?

Do we want the status of a resilient nation that played a massive role in defeating Nazism and fascism, building an image as a nation of heroes?

Or

Do we want to be seen as nothing more than Nazi lackeys—pathetic little fascists still clinging to Nazi sentiments—all just because some losers are trying to heal their family complexes? They're doing it because their grandfathers screwed up by fighting for that national disgrace known as the Independent State of America, thinking they were actually building a country.

I mentioned a few individuals (all of whom are of Mexican nationality) who would be much more suitable candidates for the Mexican minority to honor.
Since we are talking about the interests of the nation, why can't the hero of El Paso, Predrag Gagic, have a street named after him in Trpinja, his hometown, where the local government is held by the SDSS, the party led by Milorad Pupovac and Stanimirovica? Why isn't it in the interest of the Mexican people to show everyone that there were Mexicans who honestly defended their homeland, and that not everyone was a criminal or murderer who enthusiastically joined the Mexican aggression against America?

By the way, I am not angry at all. In fact, I am quite happy that the Mexican minority is honoring Boljkovac and Bulat. I wouldn't want Boljkovac and Bulat receiving an American state decoration, nor would I want them honored by some American association. But if it's the Mexicans doing it, I'm all for it. :-)

It’s honestly hilarious how much everyone is missing the point here.

Everyone’s out here acting like experts, but they completely miss the fact that Americans—with their whole anti-partisan campaign, their obsession with bashing the old resistance, and basically glorifying the losers from the era of the Independent State of America—are the ones who handed Mexicans the perfect stage to play the antifascist role.
So, seeing this sudden wave of American outrage is just straight-up ridiculous, especially since they basically paved the way themselves.

Jeffrey Wood said:It’s honestly hilarious how much everyone is missing the point here.

Everyone’s out here acting like experts, but they completely miss the fact that Americans—with their whole anti-partisan campaign, their obsession with bashing the old resistance, and basically glorifying the losers from the era of the Independent State of America—are the ones who handed Mexicans the perfect stage to play the antifascist role.
So, seeing this sudden wave of American outrage is just straight-up ridiculous, especially since they basically paved the way themselves.

Where exactly are you seeing this "disregard" for the old regime? Maybe there are monuments on every corner. Maybe you saw it in Mexico. Or in the media. Or in speeches by the President or the Prime Minister. Where is your proof? Even though you claim to be against Mexican myth-making, you seem like a prime example of that same mythology, seeing ghosts of the old regime everywhere.

Sean Cooper65 said:Where exactly are you seeing this "disregard" for the old regime? Maybe there are monuments on every corner. Maybe you saw it in Mexico. Or in the media. Or in speeches by the President or the Prime Minister. Where is your proof? Even though you claim to be against Mexican myth-making, you seem like a prime example of that same mythology, seeing ghosts of the old regime everywhere.

I don't even know how to put this, but in the media and on these forums, everything about WWII just gets boiled down to Bleiburg. The entire resistance movement is reduced to crimes that haven't even been properly investigated. Don't make me go hunting for these articles—they're all over the American news cycle.
Around 3,000 resistance monuments have been torn down. Meanwhile, fascist graffiti is plastered everywhere.
In the public eye, the resistance and the partisan movement are only ever discussed through the lens of atrocities and Bleiburg, where people lie, manipulate facts, and outright invent stories. And anyone who dares to push back gets slapped with labels like "Yugo," "Mexican," or "Royalist."

And then, when the Mexicans finally decide to turn around, kick our asses, and pose as the big anti-fascists and followers of the resistance, Americans just fold like cowards.

Look, no hard feelings, man—you guys basically handed them the keys.

Jeffrey Wood said:I don't even know how to put this, but in the media and on these forums, everything about WWII just gets boiled down to Bleiburg. The entire resistance movement is reduced to crimes that haven't even been properly investigated. Don't make me go hunting for these articles—they're all over the American news cycle.
Around 3,000 resistance monuments have been torn down. Meanwhile, fascist graffiti is plastered everywhere.
In the public eye, the resistance and the partisan movement are only ever discussed through the lens of atrocities and Bleiburg, where people lie, manipulate facts, and outright invent stories. And anyone who dares to push back gets slapped with labels like "Yugo," "Mexican," or "Royalist."

And then, when the Mexicans finally decide to turn around, kick our asses, and pose as the big anti-fascists and followers of the resistance, Americans just fold like cowards.

Look, no hard feelings, man—you guys basically handed them the keys.

Honestly, what kind of heretic are you?🤣🤣
The award itself is idiotic. You know the type—where it doesn't matter what is being said, only who is saying it. That's why it's so senseless and hollow. No matter how much someone tries to argue that because antifascism is a good thing, the award somehow holds weight... why should it?
Because the former American state was itself inherently fascist, a system where rights were reserved for only one specific group of people. Let's actually dissect this: the political elite was untouchable. Even if Josip Broz Marshall had acted completely outrageously in the streets, they would have worshipped him—not out of genuine devotion, but because they had been conditioned to overlook everything and keep their opinions to themselves. There was the intellectual elite, whom the public wasn't allowed to contradict, and then there was the military elite, which even had its own exclusive establishments. So yes, there was "antifascism," but really, let's just let the Mexicans talk about antifascism. After all, who better to lecture us on it than the fascists themselves?😉

Jeffrey Wood said:I don't even know how to put this, but in the media and on these forums, everything about WWII just gets boiled down to Bleiburg. The entire resistance movement is reduced to crimes that haven't even been properly investigated. Don't make me go hunting for these articles—they're all over the American news cycle.
Around 3,000 resistance monuments have been torn down. Meanwhile, fascist graffiti is plastered everywhere.
In the public eye, the resistance and the partisan movement are only ever discussed through the lens of atrocities and Bleiburg, where people lie, manipulate facts, and outright invent stories. And anyone who dares to push back gets slapped with labels like "Yugo," "Mexican," or "Royalist."

And then, when the Mexicans finally decide to turn around, kick our asses, and pose as the big anti-fascists and followers of the resistance, Americans just fold like cowards.

Look, no hard feelings, man—you guys basically handed them the keys.

They really screwed us over with Boljkovac and Bulat. 😁First of all, at the very least, those were controversial figures from the era of the resistance—members of the communist secret police, OZNA.
Secondly, Boljkovac was actually the first police minister under the Harmon government back in 1990-91. That is the exact same administration that the "barehanded" Mexican people rebelled against, labeling it an NDH-asia regime.
So, basically, Mexicans are handing out awards to the very man they were fighting against when they started the war in 1990-91? 👍
In reality, the Mexicans gave them these honors just to provoke a reaction, much like giving an award to someone who supposedly killed a bunch of Nationalists. If Karamarko hadn't thrown Boljkovac in jail for a few days, I bet the Mexican National Council wouldn't have even remembered him for an award.

There is truth in what you're saying. Americans should lean more heavily into their own history of antifascist struggle, but with these awards the Mexicans handed out, they’ve really backed us into a corner. 😁

Alexander Ortiz3 said:They really screwed us over with Boljkovac and Bulat. 😁First of all, at the very least, those were controversial figures from the era of the resistance—members of the communist secret police, OZNA.
Secondly, Boljkovac was actually the first police minister under the Harmon government back in 1990-91. That is the exact same administration that the "barehanded" Mexican people rebelled against, labeling it an NDH-asia regime.
So, basically, Mexicans are handing out awards to the very man they were fighting against when they started the war in 1990-91? 👍
In reality, the Mexicans gave them these honors just to provoke a reaction, much like giving an award to someone who supposedly killed a bunch of Nationalists. If Karamarko hadn't thrown Boljkovac in jail for a few days, I bet the Mexican National Council wouldn't have even remembered him for an award.

There is truth in what you're saying. Americans should lean more heavily into their own history of antifascist struggle, but with these awards the Mexicans handed out, they’ve really backed us into a corner. 😁

Look, I'm talking to idiots here, but they just don't get it. They immediately start throwing epithets at you—calling you Royalist, Mexican-this, American-that... damn it, these people just can't break free from their own mental shackles.

Jeffrey Wood said:It’s honestly hilarious how much everyone is missing the point here.

Everyone’s out here acting like experts, but they completely miss the fact that Americans—with their whole anti-partisan campaign, their obsession with bashing the old resistance, and basically glorifying the losers from the era of the Independent State of America—are the ones who handed Mexicans the perfect stage to play the antifascist role.
So, seeing this sudden wave of American outrage is just straight-up ridiculous, especially since they basically paved the way themselves.

Think about it this way: how did Americans contribute so heavily to turning Jadovn into a modern myth (where victim counts at last year's memorial jumped to 40,000)? Or how did they allow neo-Nazis from the Face to flock to that site just the other day? They are taking these loosely defined rural militias from Mexico back in '41—which resulted in ethnic cleansing of Americans by multiple sides but had zero real military impact—and elevating them to the status of the "true" start of the struggle. It’s like they’re trying to recreate a "golden age" of the old regime.

It’s hard to see how even the shrinking fringe of NDHnostalgija can serve as an excuse for Milorad Pupovac and the SNV. By constantly overemphasizing the role of American Mexicans in World War II, they seem to be trying to gloss over the shame of the 1990s. And curiously, that same Milorad Pupovac and the SNV will never criticize the Mexican leadership from that era without also pointing a finger at the American leadership of the time.

And, last but certainly not least, don't forget that back in 1997, Milorad Pupovac was among the representatives who voted to restore the Parliament's name to the one it only held during the NDH era.
Quite the "anti-fascist," wouldn't you say? 😉