George Bush is too afraid of being arrested to travel

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ice-warns.html

He likely intended to travel to Geneva but decided against it. It seems he is quite afraid of being arrested there.

Was it not this same individual who pressured us into signing that extradition treaty regarding American citizens in The Hague? We didn't end up signing it, though Bill Clinton was very much in favor of it at the time.

I heard he might have had some friction with certain Canadian human rights groups too. But honestly, looking at the big picture, why would that even matter? I mean, the guy can travel wherever he needs to go within the United States. He’s already seen pretty much the rest of the world during his time as President, so I guess those legal technicalities probably won't keep him up at night much.

wearyrider26 said:I heard he might have had some friction with certain Canadian human rights groups too. But honestly, looking at the big picture, why would that even matter? I mean, the guy can travel wherever he needs to go within the United States. He’s already seen pretty much the rest of the world during his time as President, so I guess those legal technicalities probably won't keep him up at night much.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-charges.html

I linked the wrong article... Mr Bush was due to be the keynote speaker at a Jewish charity Gal in Geneva on February 12.

He was supposed to deliver a speech at a charity gala in Geneva...

In my view, Bush won't face much more than this... better safe than sorry.

Kevin Gonzalez79 said:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ice-warns.html

He likely intended to travel to Geneva but decided against it. It seems he is quite afraid of being arrested there.

Was it not this same individual who pressured us into signing that extradition treaty regarding American citizens in The Hague? We didn't end up signing it, though Bill Clinton was very much in favor of it at the time.

I mean, you can just imagine someone snatching him up whenever they get the chance.

I'd love to see some country in Western Europe actually have the guts to arrest a former US president.
Master does whatever he wants.

Robin Hernandez4 said:I'd love to see some country in Western Europe actually have the guts to arrest a former US president.
Master does whatever he wants.

Heh, good luck finding a former US president—or criminal, for that matter—who would even step foot in the EU...

If things are really that way, why hasn't he moved there yet? 😍

William Moore2 said:Heh, good luck finding a former US president—or criminal, for that matter—who would even step foot in the EU...

If things are really that way, why hasn't he moved there yet? 😍

Maybe he caught a nasty bug at the very last second.😁

Honestly, this debate is pointless. For starters, the US isn't some small nation—we don't have traitors leaking state secrets left and right, leading to former presidents getting hauled off to court by Western powers. If that were even possible here, the late Harmon would've been in hot water if he’d ever made a similar call. Plus, George W. Bush has 24/7 Secret Service protection. I’d love to see how they’d react to a situation like that; knowing them, they aren't exactly known for being "gentle" when protecting their VIPs. It would be absolute chaos. On top of that, the Swiss have already stated that George W. Bush holds diplomatic immunity, and since the EU basically follows the US lead, nobody in the West is going to arrest an American ex-president—the fallout would be catastrophic. Those Leftiks and radicals over in Switzerland are really playing with fire; they’d be much better off focusing on returning all that stolen WW2 gold sitting in their banks from various global conflicts. Hypocrites, the lot of them. They act like peace activists and rebels while actually just lining the pockets of global dictators and tyrants!

An arrest simply isn't a possibility here.
Hypothetically speaking—and I suppose one could argue this is a stretch—an arrest would essentially guarantee that by December, the President of the USA would definitely be a Republican, such as Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, or perhaps even Herman Cain.

Bush isn't terrified of being thrown in jail—no, he’s dreading something far more sinister: an assassination attempt. Every single US President (and honestly, plenty of others too) travels with incredibly intense security details, yet even they aren't immune to tragedies like what happened to John F. Kennedy right here on American soil. Just imagine how much more extreme that danger becomes once you step outside the borders of the USA. Wealthy Americans live in a constant state of both luxury and paranoia.

It appears some of you haven't actually read the article... Former U.S. President George W. Bush has cancelled a trip to Switzerland due to fears regarding potential arrest on torture-related charges.

To be clear, the visit was postponed because he is genuinely AFRAID of being taken into custody.

The reality is that during his presidency, he signed off on the use of waterboarding, which is widely considered an illegitimate interrogation technique.

I’m honestly terrified they might actually go through with arresting a former US president...

You’ve got to be kidding me!

Amanda Allen4 said:Bush isn't terrified of being thrown in jail—no, he’s dreading something far more sinister: an assassination attempt. Every single US President (and honestly, plenty of others too) travels with incredibly intense security details, yet even they aren't immune to tragedies like what happened to John F. Kennedy right here on American soil. Just imagine how much more extreme that danger becomes once you step outside the borders of the USA. Wealthy Americans live in a constant state of both luxury and paranoia.

Between Obama and Bush, the whole thing was a joke... nobody actually believes that charlatan could make a single independent decision. He’s just a puppet... controlled by the real owners of this planet who operate from the shadows and aren't exactly up for election.
But grabbing him? That would be a nightmare. Imagine if he actually started talking... yeah, right. 🙂
Maybe someone like Iran, Fidel Castro, or Hugo Chavez would actually care enough to pull something like that.
That's why they'll never let him step foot outside the USA.

And here's some more fuel for the fire... pretty telling stuff 🤷

“Tactical nuclear weapons were used, at least one in Iraq and several were used in Afghanistan -- in the Tora Bora Mountains,” Peter Eyre, a Middle East consultant, said.
Eyre noted that the nuke dropped on Afghanistan's Tora Bora was so massive it basically triggered an earthquake.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/212827.html

Basically, Tora Bora was just a testing ground for nukes—using guys in turbans as the target practice...

Still, Peter makes a solid point here.
The analyst went on to say that the use of such lethal weapons by US military, which is a gross violation of the Geneva Convention, has been sanctioned by the US presidents; thus they should be prosecuted for war crimes.
"In America, the ultimate commander in chief is the president," Eyre said, adding that the President has the final say in using such weapons

So yeah, maybe this topic isn't as crazy as people think...

Nicholas Gomez4 said:Between Obama and Bush, the whole thing was a joke... nobody actually believes that charlatan could make a single independent decision. He’s just a puppet... controlled by the real owners of this planet who operate from the shadows and aren't exactly up for election.
But grabbing him? That would be a nightmare. Imagine if he actually started talking... yeah, right. 🙂
Maybe someone like Iran, Fidel Castro, or Hugo Chavez would actually care enough to pull something like that.
That's why they'll never let him step foot outside the USA.

This kind of shallow thinking assumes the President—the most powerful person in the country—should have absolute authority. That’s just not how it works in a modern democracy; power is heavily constrained. Even back when kings ruled by divine right, there were always multiple power centers. A ruler, regardless of their formal absolutism, had to account for various interest groups if they didn't want to jeopardize their position or even their life. Human history is essentially defined by the constant struggle between different interest groups (and smaller factions within them, down to individuals) fighting for more influence.
It's funny how anti-American conspiracy theorists ignore this entire dimension. They probably haven't even given it a second thought. They just mindlessy parrot nonsense about people in the shadows.

Scott Hall39 said:This kind of shallow thinking assumes the President—the most powerful person in the country—should have absolute authority. That’s just not how it works in a modern democracy; power is heavily constrained. Even back when kings ruled by divine right, there were always multiple power centers. A ruler, regardless of their formal absolutism, had to account for various interest groups if they didn't want to jeopardize their position or even their life. Human history is essentially defined by the constant struggle between different interest groups (and smaller factions within them, down to individuals) fighting for more influence.
It's funny how anti-American conspiracy theorists ignore this entire dimension. They probably haven't even given it a second thought. They just mindlessy parrot nonsense about people in the shadows.

Regarding your "deep" insights, here’s my take.
The American presidential system is rigged so that even a total moron could end up in the Oval Office. Why? Because everything is handled by others—these so-called "teams."
A future president is bought and paid for way before they even take office, during the campaign itself. They get the media hype, plus you've got the lobbyists breathing down Congress's neck. Only a fool thinks someone like that is actually going to do anything for the average person, who is usually broke by default.
American democracy is pretty much the peak of corruption achievable by any human being.

Nicholas Gomez4 said:Regarding your "deep" insights, here’s my take.
The American presidential system is rigged so that even a total moron could end up in the Oval Office. Why? Because everything is handled by others—these so-called "teams."
A future president is bought and paid for way before they even take office, during the campaign itself. They get the media hype, plus you've got the lobbyists breathing down Congress's neck. Only a fool thinks someone like that is actually going to do anything for the average person, who is usually broke by default.
American democracy is pretty much the peak of corruption achievable by any human being.

How is this any different from, say, an election in France or somewhere else?

Are you suggesting that over there, teams don't run the show, lobbies don't exist, and there's no media hype 😕?

Nicholas Gomez4 said:Regarding your "deep" insights, here’s my take.
The American presidential system is rigged so that even a total moron could end up in the Oval Office. Why? Because everything is handled by others—these so-called "teams."
A future president is bought and paid for way before they even take office, during the campaign itself. They get the media hype, plus you've got the lobbyists breathing down Congress's neck. Only a fool thinks someone like that is actually going to do anything for the average person, who is usually broke by default.
American democracy is pretty much the peak of corruption achievable by any human being.

Shit, just pure shit. Not a single intelligent word was spoken here. Every serious nation on Earth has a massive roster of advisors and teams working alongside their President. Nobody with half a brain expects one individual to run the whole show alone.
But you're too far gone into your own delusions to grasp that.

Nicholas Gomez4 said:And here's some more fuel for the fire... pretty telling stuff 🤷

“Tactical nuclear weapons were used, at least one in Iraq and several were used in Afghanistan -- in the Tora Bora Mountains,” Peter Eyre, a Middle East consultant, said.
Eyre noted that the nuke dropped on Afghanistan's Tora Bora was so massive it basically triggered an earthquake.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/212827.html

Basically, Tora Bora was just a testing ground for nukes—using guys in turbans as the target practice...

Still, Peter makes a solid point here.
The analyst went on to say that the use of such lethal weapons by US military, which is a gross violation of the Geneva Convention, has been sanctioned by the US presidents; thus they should be prosecuted for war crimes.
"In America, the ultimate commander in chief is the president," Eyre said, adding that the President has the final say in using such weapons

So yeah, maybe this topic isn't as crazy as people think...

It would be great if you didn't repeat nonsense from disinformation outlets.
You just can't hide a nuclear explosion. If it's above ground, there's no way people wouldn't notice. Even an underground blast has its own specific seismic signature.

If actual nuclear weapons had been used, it would have been the number one news story on every major media outlet in the world.