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Can I personally believe in God? Of course. But if I'm acting as a professional—an actual expert—am I going to force those beliefs onto my patient?!🙄
Started by Rebecca Scott3 · · 👁 11 views · 125 replies
Quentin Tarantino said:Moral standards are really just matters of social consensus; they aren't exact sciences and don't necessarily drive scientific progress. Before the era you're describing, people held entirely different convictions. In fact, certain periods in ancient history were actually more liberal in some respects than what we consider "modern" today. So while things definitely change, I'm not sure if it's always a straight line of "progress." And, for the record, people didn't actually believe the Earth was a flat disc back then either. 😁
Quentin Tarantino said:You seem to be operating under the assumption that shifts driven by social trends can be categorized as hard science. It’s a bit murky and highly open to interpretation, really. I’m not convinced that changes in perception stem from specific scientific breakthroughs, nor are they purely the result of societal pressure. Rather, it feels more like a complex interaction involving various social mechanisms and evolving dynamics—much like how psychotherapy
Dennis Jackson38 said:Are you referring to that same historical stretch where people insisted the Earth was a flat disc, thought leeches were the panacea for almost every ailment, or believed redheaded women were witches destined for the pyre? 😬
Upon further reflection, one could theoretically conceive of a brilliant robot designed to step into the role of a therapist—one capable of posing flawless logical inquiries and delivering impeccable logical responses and diagnoses. Why, then, would such a thing never succeed in the real world? Because a machine will never possess the single most vital element required to truly grasp the struggles of another human being: empathy.
Really? Seriousness? A therapist "views" it??? There hasn't been a "view" regarding this specific example since 1970. (I find it hard to believe that we still have to Wikipedia and copy-paste this stuff on this PDF 😁)
Since the 1970s, the consensus of the social sciences and health professions has moved to the belief that homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexual orientation, while there remain those who maintain that it is a disorder.[2] In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder.
Listen to this... "influence the therapy." The only thing it will influence is his loss of medical licensure, because he's busy declaring a homosexual person to be sick.
Now, remind me about that little girl they kept locked away just for being a lesbian... chills....
If I had to choose a personal motto to live by, it would be:
"Not doing more than the average is what keeps the average down"
In an effort to extract the philosophical core from this topic and steer the conversation back toward its intended course, I’ll attempt to refocus the point 😉
It is perfectly reasonable to expect those who have dedicated their lives to mental health to possess a higher degree of insight, openness, and freedom from the primitive biases found in whatever "mental mainstream" you are referring to.
I am certainly not suggesting they need to be superhuman, far from it; however, they shouldn't be using their credentials as an excuse to implant their own prejudices into patients who come to them in good faith—especially those dealing with more complex issues.
Kyle Lee7 said:I'm not quite following—what are you actually trying to get at here?
Are you suggesting that a therapist should only be tolerant of behaviors and inclinations that align with current American social norms and definitions of "normalcy," and that they should judge or try to "fix" anyone who falls outside those lines?
Do you believe a therapist ought to pass judgment on a client for being gay, an atheist, or someone living a promiscuous lifestyle?
Or do you think that regardless of what a person accepts as "normal," a therapist should accept the patient as an individual and show them empathy—primarily because they are a human being in pain, rather than treating them like societal outcasts who need to be exorcised?
crimsoncanyon2 said:Shouldn't psychotherapists and psychoanalysts be required to undergo some kind of rigorous internal audit before they even think about touching a patient?
I honestly feel like this topic just proves my point—a huge chunk of future medical professionals end up choosing psychiatry because they’re basically stuck in their own rigid, narrow-minded ways. But then, once they get that degree in hand, does all that baggage just magically vanish?
Tyler Jackson6 said:I don't know if this helps your case, but here in the States,
if you look at the "demographics" of psychiatrists, they have the highest rate of singles and divorcees compared to any other medical specialty. 😁
I mean, there’s really no point in a patient telling their doctor, "How the hell are you supposed to fix my marriage when your own life is a total wreck?" 🤣
I honestly believe there are probably schizophrenic psychiatrists out there (on meds, obviously), just like there are plenty of gay gynecologists. It happens more often than people care to admit. 🙂
Rebecca Scott3 said:....morning everyone.....you all were busy typing while I was catching some Z's.......the world keeps spinning, doesn't it?....
...most people just assume that a therapist should be this perfectly open-minded vessel where their own personal beliefs don't bleed into the session.....but honestly.....from what I've seen in my own life.....that isn't always the reality. Not everyone walking into a clinic is a saint with an unbiased mind. No matter how hard someone tries to shove their personal biases, their little paranoias, or their deep-seated fears into a box under the bed.....it’s impossible. You can try to suppress it, sure.....but eventually, those things are going to float right back to the surface....
...so, I actually think it would be incredibly helpful if clients had the right to know even the most basic stuff about their therapist beforehand.....things like....did they go to a religious college or a seminary? (like a Catholic or Jewish institution)....
....do they hold really traditional, patriarchal views on family and roles?....
....are they registered members of a specific political party?....
....have they ever been in therapy themselves, and if so, what was it for? (honestly, that could be a huge asset or a major red flag, depending on the person)....
....are they actually comfortable discussing topics like homosexuality?....
......and what kind of client profile do they actually gravitate toward? (Are they specialists in depression, PTSD, anxiety, social skills, etc.)?....
.....
....at the end of the day....don't you think a person has every right to know who the individual is that they're supposed to trust with their mental health?....
redharbor9 said:Obviously they have every right to know. The real question is how much the therapist chooses to reveal or answer. It can be risky for the therapist because being too open might lead a client to expect a level of closeness that isn't professional, which causes massive issues with certain types of patients...
EDIT: I had one female client ask about my sexual orientation. I told her. Then she went and asked my colleague—who actually referred her to me—why I hadn't just mentioned I was gay. My colleague asked her why that even mattered, and the client just looked confused and said it didn't matter... Then there was this guy who wasn't sure if he should wish me a Merry Christmas, so he went stalking my Facebook to check my religion. Clearly, that didn't help him much because he ended up coming in to ask what my religion was and if he was supposed to wish me a Merry Christmas anyway.😍
Look, sometimes clients need these "irrelevant" details just to build rapport, which honestly makes the therapy more successful...
Some therapists let clients call them 24/7, while others freak out if they get a single text. I actually know a therapist who lived with a client for a week—that’s basically the absolute peak of losing all boundaries. On the flip side, I know therapists who won't say a damn thing about themselves beyond their credentials...
placidwolf2 said:Lately, giving a client your direct number so they can reach out whenever they need to has become a defining feature of certain modern psychotherapeutic approaches.
For instance, Schema therapy introduced the concept of Limited Reparenting (see the link, page 31), which outlines an entire strategy for building a more successful, secure, and trusting therapeutic bond—and that includes mandatory phone contact. Schema therapy has proven particularly effective when working with BPD, NPD, PTSD, and ED patients, as well as treating other disorders with high suicide rates. Today, there’s hardly any recent scientific literature on these conditions that doesn't discuss or recommend Schema.
Personal experiences with providing a phone number have been overwhelmingly positive; I haven't heard a single therapist complain about clients abusing the privilege. Initially, calls tend to be frequent—maybe two or three times a week—but as therapy progresses, they taper off until they drop to once a month or not at all, which is actually a reliable sign of clinical progress and success. 🙂
Rebecca Scott3 said:....morning everyone.....you all were busy typing while I was catching some Z's.......the world keeps spinning, doesn't it?....
...most people just assume that a therapist should be this perfectly open-minded vessel where their own personal beliefs don't bleed into the session.....but honestly.....from what I've seen in my own life.....that isn't always the reality. Not everyone walking into a clinic is a saint with an unbiased mind. No matter how hard someone tries to shove their personal biases, their little paranoias, or their deep-seated fears into a box under the bed.....it’s impossible. You can try to suppress it, sure.....but eventually, those things are going to float right back to the surface....
...so, I actually think it would be incredibly helpful if clients had the right to know even the most basic stuff about their therapist beforehand.....things like....did they go to a religious college or a seminary? (like a Catholic or Jewish institution)....
....do they hold really traditional, patriarchal views on family and roles?....
....are they registered members of a specific political party?....
....have they ever been in therapy themselves, and if so, what was it for? (honestly, that could be a huge asset or a major red flag, depending on the person)....
....are they actually comfortable discussing topics like homosexuality?....
......and what kind of client profile do they actually gravitate toward? (Are they specialists in depression, PTSD, anxiety, social skills, etc.)?....
.....
....at the end of the day....don't you think a person has every right to know who the individual is that they're supposed to trust with their mental health?....
Rebecca Scott3 said:....morning everyone.....you all were busy typing while I was catching some Z's.......the world keeps spinning, doesn't it?....
...most people just assume that a therapist should be this perfectly open-minded vessel where their own personal beliefs don't bleed into the session.....but honestly.....from what I've seen in my own life.....that isn't always the reality. Not everyone walking into a clinic is a saint with an unbiased mind. No matter how hard someone tries to shove their personal biases, their little paranoias, or their deep-seated fears into a box under the bed.....it’s impossible. You can try to suppress it, sure.....but eventually, those things are going to float right back to the surface....
...so, I actually think it would be incredibly helpful if clients had the right to know even the most basic stuff about their therapist beforehand.....things like....did they go to a religious college or a seminary? (like a Catholic or Jewish institution)....
....do they hold really traditional, patriarchal views on family and roles?....
....are they registered members of a specific political party?....
....have they ever been in therapy themselves, and if so, what was it for? (honestly, that could be a huge asset or a major red flag, depending on the person)....
....are they actually comfortable discussing topics like homosexuality?....
......and what kind of client profile do they actually gravitate toward? (Are they specialists in depression, PTSD, anxiety, social skills, etc.)?....
.....
....at the end of the day....don't you think a person has every right to know who the individual is that they're supposed to trust with their mental health?....
Rebecca Scott3 said:....When I say that a client deserves to know certain things about their therapist, I’m not suggesting they should go on some interrogation mission to dig up private details.... what I mean is that this kind of information should be legally required and fully transparent. A person has a right to know exactly who is providing their care....
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....I've personally heard about instances where a psychologist grills a client about their ethnic background..... or even cases where a practitioner holds deep-seated prejudices against certain nationalities in their private life..... do you honestly believe someone like that can remain completely impartial and provide professional, unbiased support?
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....And think about this: do we really believe that people who graduated from religious universities and hold strict religious views—views that might label homosexuality as a sin—can truly offer sincere empathy to an LGBTQ+ individual?.....
...Or take a believer who sees women as being inherently submissive to their husbands, someone who thinks a woman should always prioritize her husband's interests over her own.... how is a therapist with those convictions supposed to understand a woman struggling with a marriage where she refuses to be patriarchal, or one who has chosen to leave such a marriage behind?.....
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....I'm especially curious about your thoughts on whether a client has a right to know if their therapist is superstitious..... you know, someone who believes in ghosts, bad karma, or all that stuff.....
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| ...after all... do you think a client has the right to know who is supposed to be helping them?...... |
Rebecca Scott3 said:....morning everyone.....you all were busy typing while I was catching some Z's.......the world keeps spinning, doesn't it?....
...most people just assume that a therapist should be this perfectly open-minded vessel where their own personal beliefs don't bleed into the session.....but honestly.....from what I've seen in my own life.....that isn't always the reality. Not everyone walking into a clinic is a saint with an unbiased mind. No matter how hard someone tries to shove their personal biases, their little paranoias, or their deep-seated fears into a box under the bed.....it’s impossible. You can try to suppress it, sure.....but eventually, those things are going to float right back to the surface....
...so, I actually think it would be incredibly helpful if clients had the right to know even the most basic stuff about their therapist beforehand.....things like....did they go to a religious college or a seminary? (like a Catholic or Jewish institution)....
....do they hold really traditional, patriarchal views on family and roles?....
....are they registered members of a specific political party?....
....have they ever been in therapy themselves, and if so, what was it for? (honestly, that could be a huge asset or a major red flag, depending on the person)....
....are they actually comfortable discussing topics like homosexuality?....
......and what kind of client profile do they actually gravitate toward? (Are they specialists in depression, PTSD, anxiety, social skills, etc.)?....
.....
....at the end of the day....don't you think a person has every right to know who the individual is that they're supposed to trust with their mental health?....
driftinggull21 said:Yeah, right.🤣 As if we should just hand over our Social Security numbers too.🙄
A psychotherapist is entitled to their own personal views and opinions, but within the office, they must remain professional and objective. Anyone dissatisfied with their therapist is free to find another.
Rebecca Scott3 said:....When I say that a client deserves to know certain things about their therapist, I’m not suggesting they should go on some interrogation mission to dig up private details.... what I mean is that this kind of information should be legally required and fully transparent. A person has a right to know exactly who is providing their care....
.....
....I've personally heard about instances where a psychologist grills a client about their ethnic background..... or even cases where a practitioner holds deep-seated prejudices against certain nationalities in their private life..... do you honestly believe someone like that can remain completely impartial and provide professional, unbiased support?
.....
....And think about this: do we really believe that people who graduated from religious universities and hold strict religious views—views that might label homosexuality as a sin—can truly offer sincere empathy to an LGBTQ+ individual?.....
...Or take a believer who sees women as being inherently submissive to their husbands, someone who thinks a woman should always prioritize her husband's interests over her own.... how is a therapist with those convictions supposed to understand a woman struggling with a marriage where she refuses to be patriarchal, or one who has chosen to leave such a marriage behind?.....
.....
....I'm especially curious about your thoughts on whether a client has a right to know if their therapist is superstitious..... you know, someone who believes in ghosts, bad karma, or all that stuff.....
....
Rebecca Scott3 said:....When I say that a client deserves to know certain things about their therapist, I’m not suggesting they should go on some interrogation mission to dig up private details.... what I mean is that this kind of information should be legally required and fully transparent. A person has a right to know exactly who is providing their care....
.....
....I've personally heard about instances where a psychologist grills a client about their ethnic background..... or even cases where a practitioner holds deep-seated prejudices against certain nationalities in their private life..... do you honestly believe someone like that can remain completely impartial and provide professional, unbiased support?
.....
....And think about this: do we really believe that people who graduated from religious universities and hold strict religious views—views that might label homosexuality as a sin—can truly offer sincere empathy to an LGBTQ+ individual?.....
...Or take a believer who sees women as being inherently submissive to their husbands, someone who thinks a woman should always prioritize her husband's interests over her own.... how is a therapist with those convictions supposed to understand a woman struggling with a marriage where she refuses to be patriarchal, or one who has chosen to leave such a marriage behind?.....
.....
....I'm especially curious about your thoughts on whether a client has a right to know if their therapist is superstitious..... you know, someone who believes in ghosts, bad karma, or all that stuff.....
....
driftinggull21 said:Yeah, right.🤣 As if we should just hand over our Social Security numbers too.🙄
A psychotherapist is entitled to their own personal views and opinions, but within the office, they must remain professional and objective. Anyone dissatisfied with their therapist is free to find another.