Remembering Ayrton Senna

cosmiccyclist8 said:There was no moving it. The starting position was already on that damn dirty right side. All they did was repaint the track overnight at Senna's request—honestly, why are you being so dense? Whoever took pole would have been stuck on that right side anyway... though, I guess after qualifying, Senna finally realized what happened. But those are two completely different things, and you're seriously conflating them????

Ayrton Senna acted foolishly. Quite simply, he shouldn't have qualified for pole. He had failed on that side of the track repeatedly over the years, and it wasn't just him—most drivers struggled there too.

cosmiccyclist8 said:When he glanced in that mirror while hitting the chicane, Ayrton Senna was still at least 50 meters behind him...

Really, 🎉are you suggesting there's some fake footage circulating online?

He happened to be attempting to turn into the corner before the actual turn. 🙂

Something just occurred to me.

Back in '90, Ayrton Senna stated he’d deliberately force Alain Prost out of the race. Then you have Prost, who performed so poorly in his Suzuki that it almost feels as though he was intentionally trying to fulfill Senna's intent.🙂

I find myself watching that start over and over again. I simply cannot wrap my head around it.

It’s clear the folks on this forum don't just lack an understanding of basic value parameters, they also can't distinguish between a calculated tactical move off the racing line and simply slamming into an opponent because you couldn't be bothered to hold your own line to avoid a collision. There is a massive difference.

steelmaker83 said:It’s clear the folks on this forum don't just lack an understanding of basic value parameters, they also can't distinguish between a calculated tactical move off the racing line and simply slamming into an opponent because you couldn't be bothered to hold your own line to avoid a collision. There is a massive difference.

Right. As if any driver in history would ever concede a championship fight when there's nothing to lose. Not Lewis Hamilton, not Sebastian Vettel, not Fernando Alonso... honestly, not even Alain Prost himself if he had been in Ayrton Senna's shoes.

Besides, that isn't the point. The point is that Ayrton Senna didn't force Alain Prost off the track, and he wasn't penalized because there was no basis for a penalty.

And I highly doubt he wouldn't have been penalized if there had been even a hint of grounds for one.

It’s absurd, really, how this has been dragged out to the point where someone would mention the Brazilian in the context of attempted murder, based solely on a statement he made that the media—as per usual—decided to blow completely out of proportion.

mellowtiger83 said:Right. As if any driver in history would ever concede a championship fight when there's nothing to lose. Not Lewis Hamilton, not Sebastian Vettel, not Fernando Alonso... honestly, not even Alain Prost himself if he had been in Ayrton Senna's shoes.

Besides, that isn't the point. The point is that Ayrton Senna didn't force Alain Prost off the track, and he wasn't penalized because there was no basis for a penalty.

And I highly doubt he wouldn't have been penalized if there had been even a hint of grounds for one.

It’s absurd, really, how this has been dragged out to the point where someone would mention the Brazilian in the context of attempted murder, based solely on a statement he made that the media—as per usual—decided to blow completely out of proportion.

Peter Collins basically handed the championship title over to Juan Manuel Fangio

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/bl...rg-formula-one

Do some homework.
Uneducated idiot.

What exactly was Alain Prost thinking here—trying to mow the grass before the chicane? Only a fool wouldn't see that he intentionally turned early to hit Ayrton Senna...

That's why he got hit by Ayrton Senna the following year—end of story.

cosmiccyclist8 said:There was no moving it. The starting position was already on that damn dirty right side. All they did was repaint the track overnight at Senna's request—honestly, why are you being so dense? Whoever took pole would have been stuck on that right side anyway... though, I guess after qualifying, Senna finally realized what happened. But those are two completely different things, and you're seriously conflating them????

That's not how it went down—Ayrton Senna was losing his mind because he saw they moved his pole position to the worse side where there was zero grip. It was all intentional. And what's this nonsense about "painting the track"? You don't "paint" a racetrack. What kind of paint are we even talking about here, and how much "paint" would you supposedly need to use??? The reality is those two French guys teamed up specifically to screw over Ayrton Senna.🤦

hey, can you translate this for me

Ayrton Senna snagged the 51st pole position of his career—an achievement that sat right at the heart of all the drama this weekend. For the last three F1 races held here, pole position at Suzuka had been positioned on the right-hand side of the track, completely off the actual racing line.

just look at the starting positions from the previous races at Suzuka👍

Dana Perez6 said:That's not how it went down—Ayrton Senna was losing his mind because he saw they moved his pole position to the worse side where there was zero grip. It was all intentional. And what's this nonsense about "painting the track"? You don't "paint" a racetrack. What kind of paint are we even talking about here, and how much "paint" would you supposedly need to use??? The reality is those two French guys teamed up specifically to screw over Ayrton Senna.🤦

Don't try to lecture me. Nobody actually gained any ground during the standing start. That side of the grid has always been the starting point, and pole position at Suzuka was always on the right-hand side from the driver's perspective.

Ayrton Senna requested a change after qualifying, insisting he be moved to the clean left side. He felt that staying on the right would essentially negate any advantage gained from securing pole position.
It’s hardly surprising he was turned down.

No one here was playing games against Ayrton Senna. This individual was simply demanding something that wasn't on the table, and his proposal was rejected.

There is absolutely no conspiracy here. None whatsoever.

Ayrton Senna could have easily opted for the left side of the grid if he had truly wanted to. He could have simply handed the pole position over to Alain Prost by pulling away just a fraction slower during qualifying.

Absolute nonsense.

Don't be such a blatant fanatic.

We might be able to argue for some concessions regarding Alain Prost back in '89, but by 1990, the slate is clean.

There wasn't any real unified French front against Ayrton Senna. Even Balestre was a decent enough guy, at least not during that stretch in 1990.

Ugh, I need a translation again—my English is absolute garbage lately.
here's the post https://forums.autosport.com/topic/1...zuka/?p=253220

if anyone could translate this for me

It wouldn’t happen. Prost was World Champion, and Senna found himself with a burning sense of injustice. Those flames of personal indignation would continue to be fanned in his heart. That was the only place I could overtake,” he explained, “and somebody who should not have been there just closed the door and that was that. The results as they stand provisionally do not reflect the truth of the race in either the sporting sense or the sense of the regulations. I see this result as temporary.

??

cosmiccyclist8 said:Ugh, I need a translation again—my English is absolute garbage lately.
here's the post https://forums.autosport.com/topic/1...zuka/?p=253220

if anyone could translate this for me

It wouldn’t happen. Prost was World Champion, and Senna found himself with a burning sense of injustice. Those flames of personal indignation would continue to be fanned in his heart. That was the only place I could overtake,” he explained, “and somebody who should not have been there just closed the door and that was that. The results as they stand provisionally do not reflect the truth of the race in either the sporting sense or the sense of the regulations. I see this result as temporary.

??

Basically? Total complex. He was stealing setups from Alain Prost. Betrayed him at Imola in '89. His only goal was being better than Alain Prost—which is why he fell behind Michael Schumacher in '94, because his drive, his time, and his speed just evaporated.

Bottom line: a narcissistic mess with sociopathic tendencies. And the whole damn world worships him.

Planet of monkeys.

Imola '89—that moment when the saint decided to completely ignore the non-aggression pact. 😁

I just really want to know what kind of apology he gave after the race. 😁 Probably something like "I saw a massive gap and I couldn't resist taking the shot." 🤣

cosmiccyclist8 said:Imola '89—that moment when the saint decided to completely ignore the non-aggression pact. 😁

I just really want to know what kind of apology he gave after the race. 😁 Probably something like "I saw a massive gap and I couldn't resist taking the shot." 🤣

There you go. Everyone trashes Didier Pironi, but nobody touches Ayrton Senna. Both guys did the exact same thing—on the same damn track.

That’s basically all the "objectivity" you get from this planet of monkeys.

ruggedhawk20 said:Peter Collins basically handed the championship title over to Juan Manuel Fangio

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/bl...rg-formula-one

Do some homework.
Uneducated idiot.

You and I are done here. Goodbye.

Finally

Thank God

ruggedhawk20 said:Basically? Total complex. He was stealing setups from Alain Prost. Betrayed him at Imola in '89. His only goal was being better than Alain Prost—which is why he fell behind Michael Schumacher in '94, because his drive, his time, and his speed just evaporated.

Bottom line: a narcissistic mess with sociopathic tendencies. And the whole damn world worships him.

Planet of monkeys.

It honestly gives me chills to think that people like you aren't kept under strict supervision in an institution on this planet of monkeys.

mellowtiger83 said:I simply call it a lack of constructive input. It is much easier to just label someone a mythomaniac.

What are you even talking about?

It didn't even involve you. 🙂

Walter Anderson43 said:It honestly gives me chills to think that people like you aren't kept under strict supervision in an institution on this planet of monkeys.

No need for a psych ward here—I'm not actually hurting anyone.

Just exercising my right to free speech. You know, the kind protected by the laws of the country I live in.

Jason Campbell70 said:What are you even talking about?

It didn't even involve you. 🙂

I've had some hunches about this for quite a while now.😁