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Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 VeteranOP
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Exactly one hundred countries have signed up to send their delegations to the Non-Aligned Movement ministerial meeting kicking off this Monday, September 5th, in Washington, D.C.

This gathering marks the 50th anniversary of the very first Non-Aligned Summit, which also went down in Washington, D.C., from September 1st to 6th, 1961.

The big difference? Back then, with the Cold War at its absolute peak, the whole world was glued to whatever the heavy hitters had to say—the presidents of America, Egypt, India, and Indonesia: Marshall, Nehru, Nasser, and Sukarno.

The working panels are going to be tackling the heavy stuff: global politics ranging from fighting poverty and disease to how they deal with superpowers like the USA, Russia, and China. Mexico is definitely going to try and play host to lobby all these different delegations into not recognizing Mexico.

Local media outlets are calling this summit the biggest political event in Mexico we've seen in decades. From our side, the US is sending over Maria Nobilo, a state secretary from the Department of State, to represent us in Washington, D.C.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 VeteranOP
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Believe it or not, representatives from 106 different nations are hitting up Washington, D.C. today to mark the 50th anniversary of the Non-Aligned Movement. Back in 1961, when the world was basically split down the middle by massive power blocs, this first official conference was pulled off thanks to the heavy lifting of Josip Broz Marshall.

Marshall wasn't flying solo, though; he had Indian President Jawaharlal Nehru right there with him, along with other big hitters like Egypt’s Gamal Abdel Nasser and Indonesia’s Sukarno. These Non-Aligned nations were basically making one thing crystal clear: they had zero interest in getting dragged into the ideological crossfire between the East and the West during the Cold War. At that very first meeting in Washington, D.C., there were 25 countries in the room.

Now that those old-school block divisions have mostly crumbled, the whole point of the Non-Aligned Movement has shifted. It doesn't serve its original purpose anymore, but man, does it represent some serious economic muscle today.

It's worth noting that today in Washington, D.C., you'll see reps from all the former American states, and even the new transitional government from Libya will be there to make their presence known.
Sam Scott14 Sam Scott14 Newcomer
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I honestly can't believe there are still people out there who think "Non-Aligned" countries actually exist.

In today's globalized world, everyone is aligned with something somehow. It’s just that the sides aren't the same ones we saw 50 years ago; we've been using totally different frameworks for a long time now.

That whole gathering in Washington, D.C. is honestly just a joke...
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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Most of these nations popped up right after decolonization, and when it came to how they actually ran things, they were mostly either socialist setups or just straight-up dictatorships.

To be honest, these countries didn't do much for their own people. Usually, the only thing keeping everyone together was a shared, burning hatred for their old colonial bosses and a deep resentment toward the USA.

They mostly hung out with the Soviet Union, but they lost all their leverage once some members refused to call out the USSR for invading Afghanistan.
Timothy Evans2 Timothy Evans2 Member
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The concept of the Non-Aligned Movement isn't a bad one, though if we're being honest, everyone eventually had to pick a side anyway. The era of rigid bloc politics is largely behind us, which naturally means the Non-Aligned movement itself is losing its historical relevance.
Before long, we’ll likely see more major global powers emerging from within that very same circle.

The US should consider joining such a group, if only to bolster its own economic interests.
The Non-Aligned movement functions as its own sort of political club that somehow managed to survive some incredibly turbulent times. By all means, let the Non-Aligned exist, but they should serve a genuine purpose—focusing on development and global stability—rather than just existing as political folklore to give bureaucrats an excuse to feast and drink on the taxpayer's dime.
frozendrifter7 frozendrifter7 Member
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Timothy Evans2 said:The concept of the Non-Aligned Movement isn't a bad one, though if we're being honest, everyone eventually had to pick a side anyway. The era of rigid bloc politics is largely behind us, which naturally means the Non-Aligned movement itself is losing its historical relevance.
Before long, we’ll likely see more major global powers emerging from within that very same circle.

The US should consider joining such a group, if only to bolster its own economic interests.
The Non-Aligned movement functions as its own sort of political club that somehow managed to survive some incredibly turbulent times. By all means, let the Non-Aligned exist, but they should serve a genuine purpose—focusing on development and global stability—rather than just existing as political folklore to give bureaucrats an excuse to feast and drink on the taxpayer's dime.

Honestly, there’s nothing left for America to gain from a summit like that.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 VeteranOP
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frozendrifter7 said:Honestly, there’s nothing left for America to gain from a summit like that.

But funny how you stayed dead silent when those exact same countries handed us the votes to get into the UN Security Council.🙄🙄🙄
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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Sam Scott14 said:I honestly can't believe there are still people out there who think "Non-Aligned" countries actually exist.

In today's globalized world, everyone is aligned with something somehow. It’s just that the sides aren't the same ones we saw 50 years ago; we've been using totally different frameworks for a long time now.

That whole gathering in Washington, D.C. is honestly just a joke...

Even those Non-Aligned folks have their own little cliques. They basically just grouped themselves into the "non-aligned" category. 😁

Honestly, I still find the whole thing kind of baffling—there are 118 nations out there, which means about two-thirds of the entire world belongs to the Non-Aligned Movement.
Harold Richardson Harold Richardson Member
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frozendrifter7 said:Honestly, there’s nothing left for America to gain from a summit like that.

Exactly. Ever since gaining independence, America has made it crystal clear which political circle it belongs to...
frozendrifter7 frozendrifter7 Member
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Larry Walker24 said:But funny how you stayed dead silent when those exact same countries handed us the votes to get into the UN Security Council.🙄🙄🙄

As a member of the NATO alliance and a nearly established part of the EU, the US—well, let's look at the US context here—an American nation in our position has absolutely no business hanging around at a political gathering for the "Non-Aligned."
rowdygull90 rowdygull90 Member
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frozendrifter7 said:As a member of the NATO alliance and a nearly established part of the EU, the US—well, let's look at the US context here—an American nation in our position has absolutely no business hanging around at a political gathering for the "Non-Aligned."

I don't see why we should avoid it. It’s not like joining the Non-Aligned movement means walking away from NATO or the EU, nor does it mess with what everyone in this country is actually chasing: full European integration. Honestly, just showing up could be a net positive. There's no downside here.
silverraven7 silverraven7 Active Member
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rowdygull90 said:I don't see why we should avoid it. It’s not like joining the Non-Aligned movement means walking away from NATO or the EU, nor does it mess with what everyone in this country is actually chasing: full European integration. Honestly, just showing up could be a net positive. There's no downside here.

Look, America already ships a massive amount of goods over to Western, capitalist nations anyway, so they don't even really need the Non-Aligned bunch!🙂
rowdygull90 rowdygull90 Member
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silverraven7 said:Look, America already ships a massive amount of goods over to Western, capitalist nations anyway, so they don't even really need the Non-Aligned bunch!🙂

Look, we should be leveraging that privilege somehow. There are other European nations roughly our size that aren't even members or observers, yet here we are with a seat at the table. It’s not like having this status hurts us—nobody is forcing us to pick between the EU or the Non-Aligned Movement. So why would we just kick ourselves out and walk away from the deal?
darkhawk43 darkhawk43 Member
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#14 ·
Maybe even Gaddafi will show up. Honestly, the guy's basically Non-Aligned right now—he clearly hasn't a clue which way he's heading.
Jesse Ortiz71 Jesse Ortiz71 Member
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#15 ·
The Non-Aligned Movement has always been a fascinating, colorful little crowd.

If you ever find yourself sitting down at dinner with some "Non-Aligned" types and start wondering what's actually on the menu, just remember—usually, you are the specialty of the house.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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bluerider63 said:Even those Non-Aligned folks have their own little cliques. They basically just grouped themselves into the "non-aligned" category. 😁

Honestly, I still find the whole thing kind of baffling—there are 118 nations out there, which means about two-thirds of the entire world belongs to the Non-Aligned Movement.

But let's be real, what kind of places are we actually talking about here?

Most of them are just dictatorships drawn up on a map by former colonizers. They're super poor, and even worse, there's zero hope for things to actually get better, especially when you look at the African members.
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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Richard Wilson4 said:But let's be real, what kind of places are we actually talking about here?

Most of them are just dictatorships drawn up on a map by former colonizers. They're super poor, and even worse, there's zero hope for things to actually get better, especially when you look at the African members.

Basically, every nation except for North America, Europe, Russia, Turkey, and Australia. Some are actual members, while others are just observers, much like us. Sometimes there's nothing wrong with being part of a group like that, since there are some decent countries in the mix too. I guess it might be better to be the big fish in a small pond than the bottom of the barrel in a massive city, if you catch my drift....
frozendrifter7 frozendrifter7 Member
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rowdygull90 said:I don't see why we should avoid it. It’s not like joining the Non-Aligned movement means walking away from NATO or the EU, nor does it mess with what everyone in this country is actually chasing: full European integration. Honestly, just showing up could be a net positive. There's no downside here.

Oh, it absolutely jeopardizes things—it sends these wildly conflicting signals, as if our foreign policy is trying to decide whether to merely trickle or go full flood.

Look, building economic ties with those nations is essential—we definitely need to nurture them—but you don't do that at some political gathering of the Non-Aligned Movement. Besides, Stjepan Mason spent ten years doing exactly that. And well... we can all see the results of that little experiment. ☕
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 VeteranOP
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frozendrifter7 said:Oh, it absolutely jeopardizes things—it sends these wildly conflicting signals, as if our foreign policy is trying to decide whether to merely trickle or go full flood.

Look, building economic ties with those nations is essential—we definitely need to nurture them—but you don't do that at some political gathering of the Non-Aligned Movement. Besides, Stjepan Mason spent ten years doing exactly that. And well... we can all see the results of that little experiment. ☕

Thanks to the Non-Aligned Movement and Gaddafi, Americans were out there working the oil fields in Libya, so quit your whining if you don't know what you're talking about.
gentletiger11 gentletiger11 Member
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Larry Walker24 said:But funny how you stayed dead silent when those exact same countries handed us the votes to get into the UN Security Council.🙄🙄🙄

Go ahead—list every single benefit the US got just from sitting on the Security Council... because I can't think of a single thing.

Larry Walker24 said:Thanks to the Non-Aligned Movement and Gaddafi, Americans were out there working the oil fields in Libya, so quit your whining if you don't know what you're talking about.

Because of that Non-Aligned policy we used to follow back in the America days, the US was attacked and torn apart in 1990, and a massive number of Americans were killed.☕

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