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Peter Phillips32 Peter Phillips32 Active Member
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#21 ·
mistyscout2 said:Peter Phillips32 - I was actually planning to transcribe this specific section from Blackmore's book, "meme machine," and post it over in that thread Florine started a while back—you know, the one about those "incubus" things that sit on your chest or whatever they call them. But then I went ahead and returned the book to the library:

One of the main keys to understanding alien abductions is the phenomenon of sleep paralysis. While we're dreaming, most of our muscles are essentially paralyzed so we don't actually act out our dreams in real life. Usually, by the time we wake up, that paralysis has already faded away, and we aren't even aware it ever happened (unless, of course, some experimenters interfere). However, the mechanism that separates waking from dreaming can occasionally glitch, especially in people who work irregular shifts or deal with really fragmented sleep. Sometimes a person will wake up, able to look around and think clearly, yet find themselves completely unable to move a single muscle. Along with this type of paralysis, you'll often experience buzzing or humming sounds, a sensation that your body or your bed is vibrating, a heavy feeling that someone or something is present in the room, or even seeing strange floating lights. Since sexual arousal is a common part of dreaming, that can be present too. Occasionally, people feel as though they're being touched, pulled, or even lifted right out of their bodies. If you recognize these symptoms and manage to stay calm, the best thing to do is just relax and wait; the paralysis usually lets up within a minute or two. If you try to fight against it, you'll only make things worse.

The Memplex of alien abductions. 😁

I’ve met so many people who claim they were "abducted by aliens." Honestly, it was such a letdown when I finally realized they were all actually just experiencing sleep paralysis... 😢 😁.

I’ve spent some time jotting down little snippets from books that are just too damn charming not to reread and copy-paste later on.
😁The Memplex of alien abductions.

Man, I've met so many people who claim they were "abducted by aliens." And honestly, my biggest disappointment was realizing they were all actually just "abducted" while they were asleep... 😢 😁.

Personally, I'm only sorry—purely in a technical sense, obviously—that absolutely no probes ended up in anyone's backside. 🙂
Larry Wilson5 said:No, if I may observe, he actually suggested the author should just heal herself. Calling him a Hater doesn't quite capture his obsession with being the arbiter of common sense. He might as well suggest brainwashing or a sophisticated pill-based lobotomy just to ensure a world of uniform reality. This hardly qualifies as constructive debate; it’s more like a crude interpretation of reality served up by academic psychologists working for the establishment. Every flicker of light gets swallowed by the dark. It seems to justify his dismissal of someone else's experience—his refusal to accept any reality outside his own narrow view. Before which authorities does he stand, so certain of his own sanity, that he feels entitled—aside from the moderators—to label the author mentally ill?
Whether one believes or not, why bother? If we choose to accept a specific version of the truth, what purpose does it serve? How does it help anyone survive their current situation?
Sobriety, I suppose. It’s about looking at your own circumstances. As for alien abductions—where witnesses describe states of dreaming, a detachment from daily life, memory loss, or hypnosis used as a way to remember—I’m only interested in the lived experience. I care about questioning the direction of one's perspective, not some objective "truth" regarding a hallucination. Where we are, whether awake or dreaming, and what we perceive, is the only reality available to us. In our own time, we are there. We choose to be there. We survive there.
What else is there to do with someone else's experiences besides respect them? Just leave them be.
Don't believe in anything, yet maintain faith. Even I believe I'll succeed, and I believe the author will too. Peter Phillips32, you, and everyone else should just preserve your own little worlds. Forcing a chosen or imposed reality on others isn't helpful. The spirit doesn't bypass anyone.
So, perhaps "PDF spirituality" is a bit backwards. Or maybe I shouldn't go so far and say it's backward in relation to the spirit itself.
Taboo realities are defined, quarantined, and handled with surgical gloves,
dissected like they're a threat to "palatable" reality. They are watched like a President, surrounded by bodyguards, journalists, and watchful eyes. All serving a purpose...
But where is the realization of one's own power in all this?

The topic has been derailed; instead of spirituality, we've opened the doors to a psych ward.
Still, the author courageously values her own experiences with her heart, much to the chagrin of all the rationalists.

because I, much like Prot (K-PAX), am fully convinced that any person can find their own way to healing. If someone's entire writing style is just "my dad did this," "my dad did that," "I haven't forgiven my father"... well, clearly there's an issue there. So fine, let them go through the healing process on their own.
what kind of authority is standing there, so certain of their own sanity, that they feel allowed—aside from the moderators, of course—to declare the thread starter mentally ill?

Just wondering, you know? By the way, everyone is considered sick until proven otherwise!
sobriety. is looking at your own situation,

What you're missing is 'reality.' Looking at your own situation realistically. I guess that's not always a given when you're dealing with human testimony.
(both while awake and in dreams, witnesses describe the same state of dreaming, a detachment from everyday reality, memory loss, and hypnosis acting as a method for recalling shifts in perspective)

And honestly, whatever source you’re trying to pull from isn't even relevant to what we're talking about here. So go ahead, cite it... even if you do, it doesn't change the point I'm making one bit.
what am I supposed to do with my own experiences other than just respect them? leave them be, exactly as they are.

Are you seriously still wondering why I call you such a hopeless romantic?
don't believe in anything, but have faith—that's me, I believe I'll make it, and because of that, I believe the author will succeed too, and Pashko Pata'q and you and everyone else can preserve their own little worlds; being aggressive won't help, those chosen or imposed-upon worlds. the spirit doesn't bypass anyone. nobody.

Wait, you actually think being assertive is the same thing as being aggressive?
so, it's a bit "off" regarding PDF spirituality. not to get too carried away and say it's "off" in relation to the spirit itself.

Watch it, once you start going down that "off" path... seriously, do you even realize how far off you already are? Acting like there's no such thing as being "off" when it comes to spirituality... man, you're such a pure, elitist snob.
taboo reality is defined, quarantined, handled with surgical gloves,

You're still doing these mental gymnastics... reducing all thought down to just two camps. You've got the philosophical side (dealing with the immeasurable) and the scientific side (dealing with the measurable). Both are absolutely necessary, but you elitists act all shocked and offended whenever someone mentions that the world isn't just black or white, or light versus dark. You just swing wildly from one extreme to the other.
where is the realization of one's own power in all this?

The whole topic is derailed now; instead of talking spirituality, we've basically walked straight through the doors of a psych ward.

You really need to sort out your psychological baggage before you try to go toe-to-toe with spirituality. Can you do both at once? Well, the answer isn't a simple 'yes' or 'no,' because emotions play a massive role in how everything resonates.
Linda Walker37 Linda Walker37 Member
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#22 ·
Karen Alvarez4 said:Linda Walker37@: I totally get what you're saying. You can't really explain it to someone who hasn't felt it—that feeling that actually gives you the strength to keep going, like proof we aren't just a bunch of meat... and I know exactly what I felt. It was my dad... I don't care if some expert tries to tell me it's just my brain doing things, I know what I felt and how I feel now.

The thing is, we struggle to spot those signs because life moves way too fast, you know? We're always rushing, stressed out, never just *being*... it makes it impossible. But when something like this hits you, you realize nothing else matters except you and your family. Work, money, whatever—it's all noise. You gotta live for the moment. I guess I realized that too late, and there's so much I could've done differently... so many missed chances. But hey, at least I have the memories and the knowledge that he's still there watching over me. I felt him reach out, and honestly? No scientist or shrink in the US is gonna talk me out of it.

You recognized the sign, and it was sent specifically so you *could* recognize it.
I know exactly what you mean.
Forget the psychiatrists and the scientists, at least when it comes to this chapter of life. 😉
How do you describe the color red to a blind person if they've never seen it?
It's the same with this. Don't worry about the skeptics; it doesn't matter.
Just embrace the signs. 😉😉😉
Karen Alvarez4 Karen Alvarez4 NewcomerOP
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#23 ·
Peter Phillips32 said:I’ve spent some time jotting down little snippets from books that are just too damn charming not to reread and copy-paste later on.
😁The Memplex of alien abductions.

Man, I've met so many people who claim they were "abducted by aliens." And honestly, my biggest disappointment was realizing they were all actually just "abducted" while they were asleep... 😢 😁.

Personally, I'm only sorry—purely in a technical sense, obviously—that absolutely no probes ended up in anyone's backside. 🙂

because I, much like Prot (K-PAX), am fully convinced that any person can find their own way to healing. If someone's entire writing style is just "my dad did this," "my dad did that," "I haven't forgiven my father"... well, clearly there's an issue there. So fine, let them go through the healing process on their own.
what kind of authority is standing there, so certain of their own sanity, that they feel allowed—aside from the moderators, of course—to declare the thread starter mentally ill?

Just wondering, you know? By the way, everyone is considered sick until proven otherwise!
sobriety. is looking at your own situation,

What you're missing is 'reality.' Looking at your own situation realistically. I guess that's not always a given when you're dealing with human testimony.
(both while awake and in dreams, witnesses describe the same state of dreaming, a detachment from everyday reality, memory loss, and hypnosis acting as a method for recalling shifts in perspective)

And honestly, whatever source you’re trying to pull from isn't even relevant to what we're talking about here. So go ahead, cite it... even if you do, it doesn't change the point I'm making one bit.
what am I supposed to do with my own experiences other than just respect them? leave them be, exactly as they are.

Are you seriously still wondering why I call you such a hopeless romantic?
don't believe in anything, but have faith—that's me, I believe I'll make it, and because of that, I believe the author will succeed too, and Pashko Pata'q and you and everyone else can preserve their own little worlds; being aggressive won't help, those chosen or imposed-upon worlds. the spirit doesn't bypass anyone. nobody.

Wait, you actually think being assertive is the same thing as being aggressive?
so, it's a bit "off" regarding PDF spirituality. not to get too carried away and say it's "off" in relation to the spirit itself.

Watch it, once you start going down that "off" path... seriously, do you even realize how far off you already are? Acting like there's no such thing as being "off" when it comes to spirituality... man, you're such a pure, elitist snob.
taboo reality is defined, quarantined, handled with surgical gloves,

You're still doing these mental gymnastics... reducing all thought down to just two camps. You've got the philosophical side (dealing with the immeasurable) and the scientific side (dealing with the measurable). Both are absolutely necessary, but you elitists act all shocked and offended whenever someone mentions that the world isn't just black or white, or light versus dark. You just swing wildly from one extreme to the other.
where is the realization of one's own power in all this?

The whole topic is derailed now; instead of talking spirituality, we've basically walked straight through the doors of a psych ward.

You really need to sort out your psychological baggage before you try to go toe-to-toe with spirituality. Can you do both at once? Well, the answer isn't a simple 'yes' or 'no,' because emotions play a massive role in how everything resonates.


Did I even ask for your opinion or for you to analyze whether I'm crazy or emotionally messed up?

No, I didn't. I had this amazing experience that gave me the strength to move on, and I didn't title this post "please diagnose me," I was just interested in hearing about similar experiences from other people...

Look, you have your opinion and I'm not analyzing it or trying to fight it. I know my own experience and my own mind, and I'm good with that. I don't need "self-healing" or any kind of treatment because what I went through helped me get my head straight. Thank God and my dad, too, for having the strength to show me those signs and give me the will to live and bring back my faith in God... because I was slowly losing it...

So like, I'll say it again, I don't need you analyzing my brain or my mental state. That's what professionals are for, and based on your posts, you definitely aren't one... no offense.
Lisa Nelson42 Lisa Nelson42 Newcomer
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#24 ·
Larry Brown7 said:Astral projection. They say we can actually talk to the dead while in the astral plane.

That whole thing with the hornets is pretty wild. I read in *Soul Journeys* that souls of the departed send signals to the living just to let them know everything is okay.

But astral projection is a completely different matter altogether...🙂
Nicole Allen75 Nicole Allen75 Newcomer
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#25 ·
It’s been almost three years since my mom passed away.
It was... heavy. Tragic. A total shock. Toward the end, she was in constant pain, just wasting away day after day right before my eyes.
Then, the night after she died, I had this dream. But calling it a "dream" feels wrong—it wasn't just some sleep-induced hallucination. It felt different. Too real. Way too vivid. She was back in her prime, healthy and vibrant. I could actually feel her hugging me, saying goodbye. I felt her warm, solid hands holding me tight while I just broke down. We were both crying, letting go of each other. The grief was overwhelming, honestly. I knew deep down she had to go, but that feeling? That physical sensation of being held, of her grip, those tears... it was more real than anything else. Don't try telling me it was just my subconscious playing tricks, or some trick my grieving mind cooked up to cope. No. That was her saying goodbye. And honestly? It was the only thing that gave me enough strength to finally start keeping my head above water.
Karen Alvarez4 Karen Alvarez4 NewcomerOP
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#26 ·
Nicole Allen75 said:It’s been almost three years since my mom passed away.
It was... heavy. Tragic. A total shock. Toward the end, she was in constant pain, just wasting away day after day right before my eyes.
Then, the night after she died, I had this dream. But calling it a "dream" feels wrong—it wasn't just some sleep-induced hallucination. It felt different. Too real. Way too vivid. She was back in her prime, healthy and vibrant. I could actually feel her hugging me, saying goodbye. I felt her warm, solid hands holding me tight while I just broke down. We were both crying, letting go of each other. The grief was overwhelming, honestly. I knew deep down she had to go, but that feeling? That physical sensation of being held, of her grip, those tears... it was more real than anything else. Don't try telling me it was just my subconscious playing tricks, or some trick my grieving mind cooked up to cope. No. That was her saying goodbye. And honestly? It was the only thing that gave me enough strength to finally start keeping my head above water.

Exactly. I don't think this happened just to mess with me. My experience, just like yours, gave us the strength to keep going... to fight. It wasn't just "in my head." It was them—my dad, your mom—coming back to say goodbye and show us they're okay. Any doctor can try to give me some scientific explanation, but when you actually feel it, you know. You just know.
Linda Walker37 Linda Walker37 Member
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#27 ·
Nicole Allen75 said:It’s been almost three years since my mom passed away.
It was... heavy. Tragic. A total shock. Toward the end, she was in constant pain, just wasting away day after day right before my eyes.
Then, the night after she died, I had this dream. But calling it a "dream" feels wrong—it wasn't just some sleep-induced hallucination. It felt different. Too real. Way too vivid. She was back in her prime, healthy and vibrant. I could actually feel her hugging me, saying goodbye. I felt her warm, solid hands holding me tight while I just broke down. We were both crying, letting go of each other. The grief was overwhelming, honestly. I knew deep down she had to go, but that feeling? That physical sensation of being held, of her grip, those tears... it was more real than anything else. Don't try telling me it was just my subconscious playing tricks, or some trick my grieving mind cooked up to cope. No. That was her saying goodbye. And honestly? It was the only thing that gave me enough strength to finally start keeping my head above water.

I believe you, and I know that feeling better than any mere dream.
There's really no explaining it; just trust me when I say that's exactly what happened and nothing else. 😉
coastalbadger13 coastalbadger13 Newcomer
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#28 ·
I’ve actually had an experience just like this dream.
A sudden, devastating loss hit my family out of nowhere, and it was incredibly hard because we were inseparable—we truly lived our lives side-by-side every single day.
It was stomach cancer, and things deteriorated so rapidly that I was left in total shock; there simply wasn't any time to say a proper goodbye. Just three days before he passed, he suffered a stroke, which left him unable to speak or move one side of his body, but I will never, ever forget that exhausted, sorrowful look in those bright blue eyes—eyes that always felt so uniquely special to me. To make matters even more heartbreaking, I had to leave urgently for a trip two days before he died, and I promised him that we would see each other again. I didn't make it back in time; he passed away before I could.
Since then, I have dreamed about him so many times, and the experiences have felt incredibly vivid. One time, he came back just to find closure with me; it felt so real, almost as if I could actually feel him hugging me. After that, he appeared in my dreams three more times just to check in on how I was doing, telling me not to be afraid or shocked when I see him in these visions, because nobody else in the dream can see him—he wanted me to know that while he is no longer among the living, he is still coming to visit me.
It has brought me at least a little bit of peace...
coastalangler7 coastalangler7 Newcomer
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#29 ·
Just a few days after my father passed away, I found out I was pregnant. No one else knew yet. I have this recurring dream where I’m in a hospital bed, mid-labor, and suddenly my dad walks right up to my bedside. He just starts smiling at me. I can still see that smile perfectly—it’s been seven years, but it hasn't faded. The whole room seemed to glow because of how bright his white teeth were. I remember asking him, "How are you even here? How do you know what's happening?" since nobody else knew about the pregnancy. He didn't say a word; he just kept smiling, that stubborn, joyful grin that told me everything he needed to say without opening his mouth. After that, I don't think I ever dreamed of him again, but that specific moment stays with me. It's etched in my mind.😢😢

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