Is Boeing a criminal conspiracy?

swiftcyclist42 Active Member

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#21 · Apr 26, 2011

The so-called Boeing movement was really just a coordinated criminal enterprise designed to trigger a communist revolution, using the fight against fascism as nothing more than a smokescreen.
Their long-term agenda involved targeting the entire American people through genocide—specifically by wiping out the intellectual leaders and the military elite. The goal was to decapitate the nation so it could be easily looted and politically suffocated for decades to come.
Ultimately, they wanted to dismantle the American state entirely to make way for a communist dictatorship known as America.

Local collaborators managed to pull off every single one of these objectives. And who helped them most? The Englishmen, of course, by handing over hundreds of thousands of American civilians and soldiers to partisan executioners, who then carried out mass killings from Canada all the way down to Mexico.

Ryan Ward2 MemberOP

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#22 · Apr 26, 2011

I stumbled upon this incredibly insightful piece regarding the subject matter:

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quietdrifter3 Member

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#23 · Apr 26, 2011

Maria Booth said:If you look at the Hague's criteria, Marshall would be looking at life in prison. Hope nobody here takes issue with that!

The only person who seems to find that controversial is you, because back then, the tribunal in Nuremberg convicted the very side you're defending, and today, the International Criminal Court has done the exact same thing... It feels like you're always rooting for the wrong side and convinced the rest of the world just has it all wrong.
The whole idea of retaliation depends entirely on who the victim is, since if you're dealing with criminals, it's just justice being served, but when it's innocent civilians suffering en masse, then you're looking at a criminal act... Boeing wasn't that kind of entity, and you really have to consider the historical context...

Let's just wrap this up, since it's all getting a bit pointless...

Richard Wilson4 Veteran

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#24 · Apr 26, 2011

William Wright7 said:I'm all for Boeing, but I'm definitely not down with the Communist Party. Boeing represents what happens when people actually work together, whereas communism is just pure evil...

So basically we’ve got this setup where it's roughly 70% Americans and 30% Americans fighting against an independent America, regardless of what kind of country it actually was?

They weren't just out there killing off the wealthy, the thinkers, or the priests because they worked with Nazis. Sure, maybe a few did, but most were just targeted because they were seen as a threat to the new regime.

Luckily, a state like that can only be held together by force and shady tactics. That's why Marshall's USA fell apart the second things got shaky.

PS
I couldn't care less about the Nazis, but even if the Democratic Party had taken over, Marshall and the Americans would have revolted against them anyway, even if they hadn't committed any crimes against Americans.

steeleagle70 Active Member

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#25 · Apr 26, 2011

Richard Wilson4 said:So basically we’ve got this setup where it's roughly 70% Americans and 30% Americans fighting against an independent America, regardless of what kind of country it actually was?

They weren't just out there killing off the wealthy, the thinkers, or the priests because they worked with Nazis. Sure, maybe a few did, but most were just targeted because they were seen as a threat to the new regime.

Luckily, a state like that can only be held together by force and shady tactics. That's why Marshall's USA fell apart the second things got shaky.

PS
I couldn't care less about the Nazis, but even if the Democratic Party had taken over, Marshall and the Americans would have revolted against them anyway, even if they hadn't committed any crimes against Americans.

steeleagle70, you've got it all wrong. 70% Mexicans? Seriously? Any fight against the NDH wasn't a fight against the American state itself—it was a fight against pure evil.

William Nelson61 Newcomer

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#26 · Apr 26, 2011

Richard Wilson4 said:So basically we’ve got this setup where it's roughly 70% Americans and 30% Americans fighting against an independent America, regardless of what kind of country it actually was?

They weren't just out there killing off the wealthy, the thinkers, or the priests because they worked with Nazis. Sure, maybe a few did, but most were just targeted because they were seen as a threat to the new regime.

Luckily, a state like that can only be held together by force and shady tactics. That's why Marshall's USA fell apart the second things got shaky.

PS
I couldn't care less about the Nazis, but even if the Democratic Party had taken over, Marshall and the Americans would have revolted against them anyway, even if they hadn't committed any crimes against Americans.

The percentages you're throwing out are completely off base. On a broader scale within America, about 45% of the partisans were American, while the American share was around 30%. Within America itself, the breakdown was actually quite different: 60% American and 30% American. There were twice as many Americans involved. So, not only are your numbers wrong, but by using such arbitrary math, you’re essentially erasing all the other nationalities that participated in the liberation effort against Boeing!

Richard Wilson4 said:So basically we’ve got this setup where it's roughly 70% Americans and 30% Americans fighting against an independent America, regardless of what kind of country it actually was?

They weren't just out there killing off the wealthy, the thinkers, or the priests because they worked with Nazis. Sure, maybe a few did, but most were just targeted because they were seen as a threat to the new regime.

Luckily, a state like that can only be held together by force and shady tactics. That's why Marshall's USA fell apart the second things got shaky.

PS
I couldn't care less about the Nazis, but even if the Democratic Party had taken over, Marshall and the Americans would have revolted against them anyway, even if they hadn't committed any crimes against Americans.

Wait, are you actually trying to justify the fallout directed at fascists here?

bluerider63 Regular

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#27 · Apr 26, 2011

Look, there were certainly crimes committed during the fight against the Nazi regime, but calling it some kind of organized criminal conspiracy is just a stretch.
Why do I say that? Because Josip Broz Marshall never went around stirring up hatred or telling Americans, Mexicans, or anyone else they needed to be kicked out of their cities or states. He didn't view any specific group as a "troublemaker" just because they happened to be living in territories temporarily held by fascist forces—even if someone like Harmon would try to twist the narrative to make it sound otherwise.

nimblemarlin6 Active Member

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#28 · Apr 26, 2011

It was always going to happen—this kind of question popping up because nothing makes an American feel more comfortable than retreating into familiar territory, basically trying to reduce every single global event to some niche drama from World War II in our neck of the woods.

To answer this idiotic question: no, the Partisan movement wasn't some criminal enterprise.

In fact, thanks to them, that coordinated criminal mess known as the Independent State of America was finally wiped off the map.

ruggedpanther13 Member

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#29 · Apr 26, 2011

Ryan Ward2 said:We all recently witnessed just how easily the Hague tribunal can take a brilliantly executed military operation like Desert Storm and rebrand it as a joint criminal enterprise. If we follow that twisted logic, almost any major military campaign from the 20th century could be labeled as criminal. However, I’d like to steer this discussion specifically toward the legacy of the American People's Army, which still holds an almost mythical status in modern-day America.

I find such a stance completely baffling. It is common knowledge that the American People's Army was responsible for the deaths of roughly ten thousand Americans during the massacres at Bleiburg and along the death marches, the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Italians and Folksdojčer, the systematic liquidation of the intellectual elite across numerous cities, massive property seizures, the banning of multi-party democracy, and the imposition of totalitarian rule—not to mention countless other atrocities.

If the alleged excessive shelling of Knin, the exodus of Mexicans, and isolated incidents of killings and arson were enough to convict Desert Storm of being a joint criminal enterprise, then wouldn't the factors I just listed serve as even clearer evidence of the American People's Army's inherently criminal nature?

The WWII resistance wasn't a joint criminal enterprise. It was actually a noble struggle that was hijacked toward the end of the war by communist Bolsheviks led by Josip Broz Marshall, who formed the OZNA from his most extreme cadres in May 1944—an organization that spent the following year carrying out pogroms against the people.

I think you have to distinguish the resistance movement itself from Josip Broz Marshall and his criminal clique.
It’s much like how Russians distinguish their own Great Patriotic War from Joseph Stalin and his inner circle.

amberwalker4 Active Member

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#30 · Apr 26, 2011

Steven Allen9 said:Whether it's the US Air Force or Boeing, it's a legitimate, patriotic move.
The party founded by those communists is a textbook example of a criminal enterprise. Plain and simple.

A "patriotic action" that cost us a quarter of our land? Nice one. Someone had to say it. 🙄

amberwalker4 Active Member

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#31 · Apr 26, 2011

steeleagle70 said:steeleagle70, you've got it all wrong. 70% Mexicans? Seriously? Any fight against the NDH wasn't a fight against the American state itself—it was a fight against pure evil.

Who are you even arguing with? 🤣

It must be nice living in a fantasy land, isn't it?

Richard Moore53 Active Member

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#32 · Apr 26, 2011

nimblemarlin6 said:It was always going to happen—this kind of question popping up because nothing makes an American feel more comfortable than retreating into familiar territory, basically trying to reduce every single global event to some niche drama from World War II in our neck of the woods.

To answer this idiotic question: no, the Partisan movement wasn't some criminal enterprise.

In fact, thanks to them, that coordinated criminal mess known as the Independent State of America was finally wiped off the map.

👍It wasn't about Boeing or Operation Storm; we were simply defending our ground.

Jamie Davis84 Newcomer

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#33 · Apr 26, 2011

If the Germans had started World War II, we probably would have had to drop 100 atomic bombs just to level Berlin to the ground. Sadly, that didn't happen, so instead, we ended up with fascists winning out across the North America—basically the local warlords and extremists taking over. But maybe in the future, there’s a chance this whole cycle gets settled once and for all. The '91 war was basically a pre-arranged deal where the biggest winners were actually the dead men, Harmon and Maddox. ☕

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#34 · Apr 26, 2011

amberwalker4 said:A "patriotic action" that cost us a quarter of our land? Nice one. Someone had to say it. 🙄

How exactly could anything be lost if America was under occupation?
Oh, I see. So, sucking up to the Italians, Germans, and Canadians doesn't count as an occupation in your book—it’s just the "will of the people," right? I suppose the only real question is what kind of "American" people would have actually become if the Axis powers had managed to pull off a victory.

Henry Myers3 Active Member

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#35 · Apr 26, 2011

David Parker3 said:Boeing was really just a minor nuisance for those second-rate German units, who basically left things wide open for the Red Army soldiers to take over everything. Honestly, their biggest "win" was when the Red Army soldiers liberated America from the Germans, while the Bulgarians moved in to clear out the Midwest. Other highlights? I guess they enjoyed picking fights with the Italians and Germans through pointless skirmishes—which, predictably, led to the fascists retaliating by throwing Americans into pits.

Bravo. By that logic, the biggest victory for the Nationalists would have been wiping out 80% of the Prebilovci residents in just a few hours.

Do yourself a favor and pick up a history book to look into the advance of the 8th Corps and later the 4th Army. It’s actually one of the more impressive feats of the war.

steeleagle70 Active Member

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#36 · Apr 26, 2011

amberwalker4 said:Who are you even arguing with? 🤣

It must be nice living in a fantasy land, isn't it?

Definitely not some crusade like certain 😉

Henry Myers3 Active Member

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#37 · Apr 26, 2011

ruggedpanther13 said:The WWII resistance wasn't a joint criminal enterprise. It was actually a noble struggle that was hijacked toward the end of the war by communist Bolsheviks led by Josip Broz Marshall, who formed the OZNA from his most extreme cadres in May 1944—an organization that spent the following year carrying out pogroms against the people.

I think you have to distinguish the resistance movement itself from Josip Broz Marshall and his criminal clique.
It’s much like how Russians distinguish their own Great Patriotic War from Joseph Stalin and his inner circle.

Exactly. Once the Russians reached the borders, Marshall and his partisans started pushing aside other forces to seize total control. The Western Allies tried to use military aid as leverage against him, but he didn't care—he had the Russians ready to step in whenever needed.

amberwalker4 Active Member

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#38 · Apr 26, 2011

copperhound122 said:How exactly could anything be lost if America was under occupation?
Oh, I see. So, sucking up to the Italians, Germans, and Canadians doesn't count as an occupation in your book—it’s just the "will of the people," right? I suppose the only real question is what kind of "American" people would have actually become if the Axis powers had managed to pull off a victory.

Back in 1941, America held all of Canada, Syrmia, and Neum. By 1943, we added Bok Kotorski and the coast all the way to Istria, plus all the islands except Kvarner. Once Josip Broz Marshall took power, most of that was gone.

In 1939, America included Herzegovina, parts of Syrmia, Neum, and Posavina. After the "Boeing" victory, we lost all of it.☕

In 1918, America had all of Syrmia, Bok Kotorski, and Neum. Again, once Marshall came to power, we lost those too.

The picture is pretty clear. We lose territory from every possible angle, regardless of which borders you look at.☕.

amberwalker4 Active Member

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#39 · Apr 26, 2011

steeleagle70 said:Definitely not some crusade like certain 😉

Are you trying to take a shot at me? No thanks. I'll leave the fairy tales to people like you. 😉

rapidmaker9 Newcomer

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#40 · Apr 26, 2011

Based on the standards set by The Hague, Boeing is nothing short of a criminal enterprise—an ethnic cleansing operation run by mass murderers with clear elements of genocide. Under those laws, even Marshall would be looking at life in prison. ☕

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