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Criminal profiling: What makes them tick?

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Brandon Davis5 Brandon Davis5 Newcomer
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#21 ·
Steven Allen9 said:Is there actually a genetic blueprint that makes someone a born criminal, or is it all just shaped by their early years?

Isn't it obvious when you look at these people? You can practically see the criminality written all over their faces, or am I just falling for the media hype?

The way I see it, criminals come from three main roots:
-revenge
-genetics
-childhood trauma

Justice is always relative.

Ten thousand years ago, someone killing others wouldn't be labeled a criminal—they’d probably be hailed as a legendary warrior.

Fast forward a few thousand years, and maybe the people hunting animals and eating meat will be viewed as criminals or psychiatric cases.

Only the person whose madness differs from the majority is considered insane.🤷 Personally, this whole obsession with profiling "criminals" and trying to pin their actions on genetics is just laughable.
amberpanther35 amberpanther35 Newcomer
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#22 ·
Steven Allen9 said:Is there actually a genetic blueprint that makes someone a born criminal, or is it all just shaped by their early years?

Isn't it obvious when you look at these people? You can practically see the criminality written all over their faces, or am I just falling for the media hype?

The way I see it, criminals come from three main roots:
-revenge
-genetics
-childhood trauma

There is an entire spectrum of antisocial personality types and various disorders, such as psychopathy, sociopathy, pyromania, pedophilia, and so on...
Most people we would label as criminals fall somewhere within those specific groups, which is probably what you're getting at, though I don't quite grasp your exact definition of "criminals"—I assume you aren't referring to general petty crime.
Steven Allen9 Steven Allen9 Active MemberOP
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#23 ·
Would you call out a criminal if they were sitting right next to you?

Or maybe let me be more specific: what if you were part of a unit where one guy is just pulling absolute bullshit in the middle of a war zone—committing disgusting atrocities that everyone knows are wrong? What would you actually do... during the conflict or once it’s all over? Would you take him out for the sake of the group, report him, or just let him keep breathing?
Robert Gomez6 Robert Gomez6 Newcomer
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#24 ·
dustyranger64 said:That’s the fourth question, and man, it’s a total pivot from the first three.
Sure, you could take a psychological approach, but honestly, it feels a bit disconnected from our main topic. At this point, the subject becomes the driver. We aren't talking about biological predispositions or sociological environments anymore—that's what the whole theme is about. Now, it's just a direct motive.
Even "temporary insanity" doesn't really fit here if we're talking about someone who obsessively organizes and plans their vengeance over a long period before executing it.
The situation is triggered by a massive, direct stressor. It’s pure, extreme rage combined with a thirst for revenge and probably a complete disregard for self-preservation. Total no-brainer. 🤷

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mistyhound mistyhound Newcomer
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#25 ·
Hey everyone! I wanted to drop my take on criminals, killers, robbers, and all that, and I’d love to hear what you guys think too!

I'm sure everyone's heard about Paravinja. People call him 'Satan,' the face of evil, an executioner—you name it.

Personally, I feel like murderers, thieves, rapists, and anyone committing those heavy crimes are just born that way. It's not their fault they were born like that! I mean, if someone offered me all the cash in the world, I could never hurt even my worst enemy, let alone kill them. I'd honestly rather die than take a life. Don't get me wrong, they definitely belong behind bars, but maybe we shouldn't bash and insult them so much? I mean, who in their right mind actually *wants* to cause harm to another person?

Maybe you'll think I'm just trolling, but seriously, think about it—these are sick people. Or hey, feel free to prove me wrong if my perspective is totally off!!

*Sorry in advance for any typos!
driftinggull21 driftinggull21 Active Member
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#26 ·
The core issue is whether an individual is deemed legally sane at the moment the crime is committed.
Most people struggling with mental illness remain legally sane and possess full awareness of their actions.
Paravinja is a psychopath; he understood his actions were criminal. He simply lacks empathy for the victim, choosing instead to satisfy primal impulses without any regard for the feelings or needs of others.

I have no intention of jumping to conclusions; everyone is innocent until proven guilty by a final court verdict. That applies to Paravinja as well.
Tyler Miller52 Tyler Miller52 Newcomer
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#27 ·
I really find myself agreeing with you on this one. People like that actually need support and guidance rather than just being condemned by society. There is a massive difference between committing a crime out of pure greed and doing so because of a mental health struggle, even if modern society still tends to toss them both into the exact same bucket... And honestly, it’s just like you said—you wouldn't dream of crossing those lines even if you were offered all the money in the world, yet for someone else, they just see an "opportunity" and their impulses simply take over.

The most heartbreaking part of the whole situation is that these individuals are rarely given a real chance at recovery, mostly because of how primitively we view them. Isn't it much easier to just lock someone away in a prison cell and isolate them from everyone else instead of actually trying to heal them? It would be so much more productive to understand the root cause of their behavior and help them reintegrate, especially since there are plenty of therapeutic techniques available to do just that. Every time I stop to think about it, I am genuinely stunned that we are living in the 21st century, yet our approach remains just as hollow and ineffective as it was in the early days.
amberbadger97 amberbadger97 Newcomer
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#28 ·
The number of individuals who possess such tendencies as an innate genetic predisposition is remarkably small... In reality, most such personalities are forged by their environment rather than their DNA...
One could take the vast majority of ordinary people and, under the right circumstances, mold them into monsters.
The military serves as a textbook example where killing can be reframed as perfectly acceptable social behavior,
simply because someone, somewhere, decided to write those specific rules into the game....
Nazi Germany stands as another chilling illustration of how a massive social breakdown can occur when a society loses its way...
Jamie Johnson6 Jamie Johnson6 Member
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#29 ·
Tyler Miller52 said:I really find myself agreeing with you on this one. People like that actually need support and guidance rather than just being condemned by society. There is a massive difference between committing a crime out of pure greed and doing so because of a mental health struggle, even if modern society still tends to toss them both into the exact same bucket... And honestly, it’s just like you said—you wouldn't dream of crossing those lines even if you were offered all the money in the world, yet for someone else, they just see an "opportunity" and their impulses simply take over.

The most heartbreaking part of the whole situation is that these individuals are rarely given a real chance at recovery, mostly because of how primitively we view them. Isn't it much easier to just lock someone away in a prison cell and isolate them from everyone else instead of actually trying to heal them? It would be so much more productive to understand the root cause of their behavior and help them reintegrate, especially since there are plenty of therapeutic techniques available to do just that. Every time I stop to think about it, I am genuinely stunned that we are living in the 21st century, yet our approach remains just as hollow and ineffective as it was in the early days.

Serial offenders have been the subject of various long-term studies, many conducted at places like the Goethe Institute, used primarily to train specialists and featured in outlets like ESPN, yet despite using supposedly cutting-edge methods, the progress is essentially zero. There hasn't been any real movement. As soon as they are released, the cycle repeats. Any psychiatrist will tell you there is no true "cure," and in my personal opinion, that is because medicine and morality intersect here in a way that involves free will, where you eventually hit a wall. I am not talking about everyone, but regarding those truly predatory types—what used to be called psychopaths, though we have much more sophisticated definitions today—they don't actually want to change; they want to hunt and violate, but they obviously don't want to go to prison, so they simply become better at hiding their tracks. Real healing would mean feeling genuine remorse for the victim and regret for the act itself, rather than just feeling regret because they got caught or because society hates them.
At the end of the day, whether they are technically "guilty" matters less than the outcome; since many of these offenders were once victims themselves, the priority must be removing them from society to break the cycle.
If the experts can prove there is a way to treat this, then by all means, let them work on it—I'd even be willing to foot the bill...
Jamie Johnson6 Jamie Johnson6 Member
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#30 ·
mistyhound said:Hey everyone! I wanted to drop my take on criminals, killers, robbers, and all that, and I’d love to hear what you guys think too!

I'm sure everyone's heard about Paravinja. People call him 'Satan,' the face of evil, an executioner—you name it.

Personally, I feel like murderers, thieves, rapists, and anyone committing those heavy crimes are just born that way. It's not their fault they were born like that! I mean, if someone offered me all the cash in the world, I could never hurt even my worst enemy, let alone kill them. I'd honestly rather die than take a life. Don't get me wrong, they definitely belong behind bars, but maybe we shouldn't bash and insult them so much? I mean, who in their right mind actually *wants* to cause harm to another person?

Maybe you'll think I'm just trolling, but seriously, think about it—these are sick people. Or hey, feel free to prove me wrong if my perspective is totally off!!

*Sorry in advance for any typos!

That is such an interesting question to ponder. On a personal note, I can say with certainty that I would never dream of taking credit for a colleague's hard work, though I see people doing exactly that at my office all the time. Do they need help? Not really, because they aren't looking for the kind of assistance we try to offer... they are perfectly content with their ways... right up until they get caught. Because of that, I believe society needs to become much more efficient at identifying these crimes and enforcing much harsher penalties; providing that deterrent is actually the greatest help we can give, ensuring the risk simply isn't worth the reward.

I haven't always held this perspective, as I used to believe that we could somehow enlighten people or reform bad behavior, but over the years, I seem to encounter far too many examples that prove otherwise. For instance, would people have stepped up to help Sanders? Or would they have insisted he face justice? Personally, I wouldn't be able to stomach that much money...🤷
vividorca9 vividorca9 Active Member
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#31 ·
mistyhound said:Hey everyone! I wanted to drop my take on criminals, killers, robbers, and all that, and I’d love to hear what you guys think too!

I'm sure everyone's heard about Paravinja. People call him 'Satan,' the face of evil, an executioner—you name it.

Personally, I feel like murderers, thieves, rapists, and anyone committing those heavy crimes are just born that way. It's not their fault they were born like that! I mean, if someone offered me all the cash in the world, I could never hurt even my worst enemy, let alone kill them. I'd honestly rather die than take a life. Don't get me wrong, they definitely belong behind bars, but maybe we shouldn't bash and insult them so much? I mean, who in their right mind actually *wants* to cause harm to another person?

Maybe you'll think I'm just trolling, but seriously, think about it—these are sick people. Or hey, feel free to prove me wrong if my perspective is totally off!!

*Sorry in advance for any typos!

You have to step outside your own logic to realize that "goodness" isn't some absolute thing and morality isn't set in stone. Saying "killing a person is bad" is just a rule we established as a society; it's not like some deity handed down a decree. Truth isn't absolute. 🧐

Now, from a psychological, sociological, or even medical standpoint, these are definitely sick people because they don't act in accordance with what society expects. They don't behave like the majority. Why is that? I think when you say they're "born that way," you're only halfway right. There's a huge nurture component that can't be ignored.

Regarding the nature side, there are plenty of theories on why they turn out this way. It could be neurological abnormalities (like amygdala dysfunction), excess testosterone, or even the fact that many have either extremely high or extremely low IQs (those with lower IQs struggle more with impulse control, while the high-IQ types often think they're above society because they see the bigger picture). Maybe that part of their character is hereditary—things like aggression 🤷 or poor impulse control.

As for the nurture side, I've done a little reading on serial killers (don't look at me like that, I'm an angel, really 😁), and a lot of them had childhoods filled with confusion, lies, intense violence, or instability—think of a parent who was constantly switching partners, leaving the kid without a stable family structure.

I believe there are pure "nature" types, pure "nurture" types, and a mix of both, but it's incredibly difficult to untangle those two influences to find the actual root cause in any specific case.
Patrick Wright2 Patrick Wright2 Active Member
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#32 ·
Look, if you ask me whether it's nature or nurture, I'm telling you right now that nature absolutely sucks ass big time.
vividorca9 vividorca9 Active Member
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#33 ·
Patrick Wright2 said:Look, if you ask me whether it's nature or nurture, I'm telling you right now that nature absolutely sucks ass big time.

Honestly, they BOTH suck big time. ☕ 😁
restlessfox29 restlessfox29 Newcomer
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#34 ·
Honestly, I’d advocate for the death penalty in cases involving companies like Paramount, and specifically using the same methods they used to take lives... amen. I mean, what kind of twisted mindset thinks "help" is the answer here? Who is going to help her family now? No one, because it's just impossible. It's like when a dog bites you deep; you just put it out of its misery. People like this won't learn their lesson, no matter what... it's either they get it or they don't...
The first time you have to do something like that, it's always the hardest. By the second time, it isn't even much of a struggle... and then it's just goodbye forever. There's no saving people like this. There is a massive difference between killing in self-defense because your child or a loved one is in danger... but these kinds of actions deserve a heavy sentence, where they face the exact same peace they inflicted on others, if not worse...☕
Tyler Miller52 Tyler Miller52 Newcomer
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#35 ·
Jamie Johnson6 said:Serial offenders have been the subject of various long-term studies, many conducted at places like the Goethe Institute, used primarily to train specialists and featured in outlets like ESPN, yet despite using supposedly cutting-edge methods, the progress is essentially zero. There hasn't been any real movement. As soon as they are released, the cycle repeats. Any psychiatrist will tell you there is no true "cure," and in my personal opinion, that is because medicine and morality intersect here in a way that involves free will, where you eventually hit a wall. I am not talking about everyone, but regarding those truly predatory types—what used to be called psychopaths, though we have much more sophisticated definitions today—they don't actually want to change; they want to hunt and violate, but they obviously don't want to go to prison, so they simply become better at hiding their tracks. Real healing would mean feeling genuine remorse for the victim and regret for the act itself, rather than just feeling regret because they got caught or because society hates them.
At the end of the day, whether they are technically "guilty" matters less than the outcome; since many of these offenders were once victims themselves, the priority must be removing them from society to break the cycle.
If the experts can prove there is a way to treat this, then by all means, let them work on it—I'd even be willing to foot the bill...

But do they actually *want* to change? That isn't something anyone can control... What you mentioned applies to the most extreme cases. Our prisons are overflowing with criminals who could theoretically be helped, but they won't be because our system isn't built that way—it’s simply cheaper to throw someone behind bars than to invest in rehabilitating them. That’s really all I was getting at.

Jamie Johnson6 said:That is such an interesting question to ponder. On a personal note, I can say with certainty that I would never dream of taking credit for a colleague's hard work, though I see people doing exactly that at my office all the time. Do they need help? Not really, because they aren't looking for the kind of assistance we try to offer... they are perfectly content with their ways... right up until they get caught. Because of that, I believe society needs to become much more efficient at identifying these crimes and enforcing much harsher penalties; providing that deterrent is actually the greatest help we can give, ensuring the risk simply isn't worth the reward.

I haven't always held this perspective, as I used to believe that we could somehow enlighten people or reform bad behavior, but over the years, I seem to encounter far too many examples that prove otherwise. For instance, would people have stepped up to help Sanders? Or would they have insisted he face justice? Personally, I wouldn't be able to stomach that much money...🤷

Society is what creates these kinds of thieves; figures like George W. Bush and his ilk are really just pawns playing by the rules that society established—more money, more influence, more control. Isn't that exactly why we still need to strive to fix what is broken and root out those primal urges for dominance that people seem to cherish so much? ☕
Jamie Johnson6 Jamie Johnson6 Member
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#36 ·
Tyler Miller52 said:But do they actually *want* to change? That isn't something anyone can control... What you mentioned applies to the most extreme cases. Our prisons are overflowing with criminals who could theoretically be helped, but they won't be because our system isn't built that way—it’s simply cheaper to throw someone behind bars than to invest in rehabilitating them. That’s really all I was getting at.

Society is what creates these kinds of thieves; figures like George W. Bush and his ilk are really just pawns playing by the rules that society established—more money, more influence, more control. Isn't that exactly why we still need to strive to fix what is broken and root out those primal urges for dominance that people seem to cherish so much? ☕

Where on earth are you getting the idea that they lack control?
Do you really think this is just some psychological impulse? People who truly can't control their urges—like kleptomaniacs—are a specific group, but everyone else has self-restraint.
Look at violent offenders—I know people who have absolutely no restraint, people who commit horrific acts against anyone in their path; let's just say they're beyond control.
But, imagine if they actually lacked control. Take someone like Paramount or Bullock—they aren't out there committing crimes in broad daylight in a public square or in front of an audience... they see young women on a beach, or perhaps they see their boss's wife, their doctor, or a police officer—do you honestly believe they don't exercise self-control?
From what I've read in certain testimonies, it seems like it doesn't even matter what kind of woman it is; it's logical because it isn't about sex, it's about hatred, sadism, and a desire to humiliate.

It is dangerous to absolve criminals of responsibility by labeling it a disease. Personally, I struggle with my weight because I have a weakness for chocolate, but I would never claim I lack control; I have it, I just choose temporary satisfaction over long-term health. As long as our brains are functioning, there are no excuses—it's not the chocolate's fault, nor is it biology; it's me. I have a friend who has ten thousand different theories about her weight because she refuses to admit she overindulges. She blames everything—hormones, pesticides, the water, the air, radiation, allergies—but she's the one choosing soda over water. She claims her body is "craving" it. Would I say she lacks control? Not at all. I'd say she's making excuses and refusing to face reality, and even if others don't agree, that shouldn't exempt her from the consequences.
In practice, inmates have access to medical care—but who asks how the victims are coping? If they aren't covered by insurance, they're basically on their own. Even if they are, they might not get full treatment because, for instance, there wasn't a specialized pediatric psychiatric ward in the greater Miami area (if there even is one now). So, Mr. Predator gets access to a chaplain and a psychiatrist in prison... while the child gets nothing.
If it were up to me, I would direct all resources toward helping the victims, while helping the criminals by toughening their sentences. Since we have to pay for it anyway. Who is going to foot the bill for their treatments? It's incredibly expensive, and many people simply cannot afford it. Most importantly, it doesn't seem to yield results. In legal proceedings, the experts should have the final word—they should be the ones determining if the perpetrator actually lost control. Unfortunately, I know of several cases where a judge concluded, based on certain statutes, that the offender couldn't control their impulses and offered an apology to the victims, resulting in a reduced sentence—even when the expert testimony pointed to a total lack of empathy.
Zachary Mendoza2 Zachary Mendoza2 Active Member
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#37 ·
The purpose of prison isn't about punishing someone just because we hate them or because they're different. It's about protecting future victims. Some people will refrain from committing crimes simply out of fear of the law, which protects others. The world is objectively better because prisons exist. They are also considered "humane," though that's a bit of a stretch. Honestly, the world would be even better if we just eliminated such criminals instead of feeding and housing them, only to release them after a set period. Many just go right back to their criminal ways. In fact, for many, prison acts as a school for crime—a place to learn how to commit offenses and evade justice, while building connections within organized crime networks.

As for the philosophical debate over whether they are guilty by nature, guilty by choice, or merely products of a broken society—leave that to the philosophers to babble about over drinks. As far as I'm concerned, providing protection to innocent victims is far more important. If the perpetrator suffers a little in the process, so be it. You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. Besides, who cares. It is only natural to be responsible for your actions and face the consequences, just as it is natural to experience things in life that you didn't deserve. That's just how it works. 🤷
mistyhound mistyhound Newcomer
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#38 ·
Look, here's how I see it: if a healthy person wouldn't kill anyone regardless of how selfish they were, then why would someone like Paramount do what they did? It’s because they're sick. Honestly, the only thing that bugs me is all the name-calling—why not just lock them up and be done with it?
dustyranger64 dustyranger64 Active Member
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#39 ·
Merged this because it’s a duplicate. Just copying my previous answer here:
dustyranger64 said:Since poverty and bad environments can push anyone toward crime—and let's face it, violence isn't anything new to humanity—I’m guessing your question is really aiming at the
sociopaths and psychopaths.

Research actually shows they definitely have a biological predisposition. Most studies on convicted heavy murderers and serial killers show that over 50% of them have one disorder or another, a neurological diagnosis, or something similar.

It's also been found that 65% of them have damage to the frontal lobe of the brain. This is characteristic of a condition where their brain was essentially bathed in too much serotonin (that "happy hormone") during the fetal stage, which makes them totally numb to things that would give us pleasure. They need way more intense stimulation.
The frontal lobe houses many of the mechanisms that make us social beings, like self-control, planning, reasoning, and balancing individual needs against social ones.

So yeah, there's a biological predisposition. Then you add early childhood and environment into the mix.
About 85% (we're talking about those heavy hitters, the serial killers, etc.) suffered severe physical and/or sexual abuse during childhood.
That can trigger certain behaviors, leading to what's known as the McDonald's triad—three specific traits of sociopathic behavior: constant bedwetting after age five or six, cruelty to animals, and an obsession with fire and arson. This triad shows up in a lot of serial killers during their youth.

Basically, biology + abuse + a traumatic upbringing = the perfect storm.

EDIT: I'm not putting Paramount in that category above; that was just my general take on the topic.
mistyhound said:Look, here's how I see it: if a healthy person wouldn't kill anyone regardless of how selfish they were, then why would someone like Paramount do what they did? It’s because they're sick. Honestly, the only thing that bugs me is all the name-calling—why not just lock them up and be done with it?

You're looking at it from the wrong angle.
Murder vs. non-murder has nothing to do with health. It's about social norms.
Alexander Thompson Alexander Thompson Active Member
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#40 ·
mistyhound said:Look, here's how I see it: if a healthy person wouldn't kill anyone regardless of how selfish they were, then why would someone like Paramount do what they did? It’s because they're sick. Honestly, the only thing that bugs me is all the name-calling—why not just lock them up and be done with it?

Do you actually believe a healthy person would never kill? Like, under no circumstances whatsoever?

I don't know... I can't really get behind that logic, personally...

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