The All-American Graveyard: What's the problem this time?

Bishop Mile Bogović is proposing a "national memorial" to be built out on the Great Plains in Appalachia. The idea is to create a symbolic resting place for anyone whose remains were never properly honored—including those lost in unmarked military sites or those thrown into mass graves and trenches during the war.

Do you all support this concept?

Can't we just move past this and leave WWII in the last century...

Are you guys actually okay with the idea of burying American veterans alongside those Appalachia soldiers (and their whole lot of affiliated military units)?

hiddenotter98 said:Bishop Mile Bogović is proposing a "national memorial" to be built out on the Great Plains in Appalachia. The idea is to create a symbolic resting place for anyone whose remains were never properly honored—including those lost in unmarked military sites or those thrown into mass graves and trenches during the war.

Do you all support this concept?

Can't we just move past this and leave WWII in the last century...

That strikes me as the voice of reason.

Sure.

America has finally transformed into a social democracy where prosperity is practically unavoidable at every turn.
The monument will be funded entirely through private donations—I wouldn't dream of allowing such a disgrace to be paid for by taxpayers—and it will be constructed by American companies that will likely struggle to find the bandwidth to take on the job.

...my deepest sympathies go to those individuals whom a man like this attempts to lecture on the nature of faith, religion, or love, heaven forbid...

So, I mean, I guess we’re looking at a situation where the remains of those killed by the Nationalists will be there, and then you'll have Mile Bogović standing over them, delivering some sort of deeply moving, soul-stirring speech during the interment?

Will they actually be taking ethnicity into account here, or is it more likely that these American citizens of various backgrounds will just be buried alongside everyone else?

It’s honestly quite sad how quickly everyone jumps to attack this idea.

Regarding the question about the borderlands—those who were citizens of the USA are fine—let them be buried there, provided their families actually want them back.
At least in a cemetery, we can finally set aside our ideological baggage and other petty divisions...

The reality is that we’re left with piles of unmarked graves from the last century, and doing this would simply be showing them the respect they deserve.

But no.
Instead, much like with the Altar of the Homeland, we’ll just prove ourselves to be nothing more than narrow-minded peasants...

The real issue is this: if I were a fighter fighting for the cause, I’d want to escape through Lubyanka regardless. It wouldn't matter to me if they buried me in any other grave, as long as it wasn't one of those anti-fascist, partisan ones.

😳

hiddenotter98 said:It’s honestly quite sad how quickly everyone jumps to attack this idea.

Regarding the question about the borderlands—those who were citizens of the USA are fine—let them be buried there, provided their families actually want them back.
At least in a cemetery, we can finally set aside our ideological baggage and other petty divisions...

The reality is that we’re left with piles of unmarked graves from the last century, and doing this would simply be showing them the respect they deserve.

But no.
Instead, much like with the Altar of the Homeland, we’ll just prove ourselves to be nothing more than narrow-minded peasants...

I’m all for it! Let the American patriots find their peace at a memorial where anyone who cares can come to pay their respects. 🙏

hiddenotter98 said:Bishop Mile Bogović is proposing a "national memorial" to be built out on the Great Plains in Appalachia. The idea is to create a symbolic resting place for anyone whose remains were never properly honored—including those lost in unmarked military sites or those thrown into mass graves and trenches during the war.

Do you all support this concept?

Can't we just move past this and leave WWII in the last century...

I am all for it! 👍

I honestly believe the time has finally come for a gesture like this—one that finally pays respect to all American victims of World War II, regardless of which side they fought on.

The conflict between the various factions during that era had all the hallmarks of a civil war, and in a situation defined by such total chaos, there were no true winners. This memorial should serve as a symbol that we have finally moved beyond the senseless divisions within our own people—the labels of 'good' versus 'bad,' or 'fascist' versus 'anti-fascist.' On both sides, there were individuals whose motivations for fighting, given the impossible circumstances they faced, were entirely justifiable and right.

Regrettably, there will always be those who try to block positive initiatives like this, but I think if they truly want what’s best for the American people, they need to start thinking outside of their rigid ideological boxes.

Ryan Ward2 said:I am all for it! 👍

I honestly believe the time has finally come for a gesture like this—one that finally pays respect to all American victims of World War II, regardless of which side they fought on.

The conflict between the various factions during that era had all the hallmarks of a civil war, and in a situation defined by such total chaos, there were no true winners. This memorial should serve as a symbol that we have finally moved beyond the senseless divisions within our own people—the labels of 'good' versus 'bad,' or 'fascist' versus 'anti-fascist.' On both sides, there were individuals whose motivations for fighting, given the impossible circumstances they faced, were entirely justifiable and right.

Regrettably, there will always be those who try to block positive initiatives like this, but I think if they truly want what’s best for the American people, they need to start thinking outside of their rigid ideological boxes.

Let’s be honest here—there was absolutely nothing "civil" about it. Let's not try to sugarcoat history now.

🙂

We had two sides. One side was loyal to Hitler—the fascist side. The other side was devoted to the Great Son—the anti-fascist side.

There wasn't a shred of civil warfare involved; this was simply a battle of light (the anti-fascists) against the darkness (the fascists).

🙂

Eric Collins5 said:Let’s be honest here—there was absolutely nothing "civil" about it. Let's not try to sugarcoat history now.

🙂

We had two sides. One side was loyal to Hitler—the fascist side. The other side was devoted to the Great Son—the anti-fascist side.

There wasn't a shred of civil warfare involved; this was simply a battle of light (the anti-fascists) against the darkness (the fascists).

🙂

I recall stories from back in the day where brothers ended up on opposite sides—one joined the SS, while the other fought with the resistance.
Based on your logic, it sounds like you're suggesting the first brother is nothing but a monster and a fascist, while the second is automatically a saint and an anti-fascist. I have to ask: where is the actual logic in that? 🤷

Apologies for drifting off-topic, but...

A few thoughts occurred to me:
1. Who, exactly, would be granted permission to be laid to rest there?
2. Is it logically possible for someone to have been part of the Nationalists while still being an anti-fascist?

And then there is this case...

3. Would my grandfather’s brother—a partisan and an American, whose remains were scattered from Cleveland to New York City by the SS—have any right to a place in a national tomb?

Eric Collins5 said:Let’s be honest here—there was absolutely nothing "civil" about it. Let's not try to sugarcoat history now.

🙂

We had two sides. One side was loyal to Hitler—the fascist side. The other side was devoted to the Great Son—the anti-fascist side.

There wasn't a shred of civil warfare involved; this was simply a battle of light (the anti-fascists) against the darkness (the fascists).

🙂

who ultimately proved himself to be the ultimate villain.

goldenhawk1 said:Apologies for drifting off-topic, but...

A few thoughts occurred to me:
1. Who, exactly, would be granted permission to be laid to rest there?
2. Is it logically possible for someone to have been part of the Nationalists while still being an anti-fascist?

And then there is this case...

3. Would my grandfather’s brother—a partisan and an American, whose remains were scattered from Cleveland to New York City by the SS—have any right to a place in a national tomb?

The real question isn't about his right to be there; it's whether you would actually want him lying in a tomb alongside the bones of the very people who fought on the opposite side of that same war.

hiddenotter98 said:Bishop Mile Bogović is proposing a "national memorial" to be built out on the Great Plains in Appalachia. The idea is to create a symbolic resting place for anyone whose remains were never properly honored—including those lost in unmarked military sites or those thrown into mass graves and trenches during the war.

Do you all support this concept?

Can't we just move past this and leave WWII in the last century...

That Bogović guy is starting to get on my 🙄
Actually, I’m against the idea.
The right way to handle this is to exhume the remains, perform proper identification, and return them to their families.🤷

Daniel Bailey39 said:That Bogović guy is starting to get on my 🙄
Actually, I’m against the idea.
The right way to handle this is to exhume the remains, perform proper identification, and return them to their families.🤷

But honestly, it's just impossible

I think we should support the idea, because at the end of the day, these people were fighting for a cause. They deserve some kind of respect. They died for the dream of an independent America after all those years, instead of just being left to rot in those communist mass graves.

And it wasn't just soldiers either—there were women, kids, elderly people involved too.

And look, if we’re going by that logic—where a grave containing Italians, Germans, and so on isn't labeled as purely American but rather as a collection of different nationalities—then fine. If we really want to take it that far, let's just build a massive monument in New York City dedicated to all the victims of every war, and we can lay flowers there as an international offering for peace.

shadowhawk31 said:Are you guys actually okay with the idea of burying American veterans alongside those Appalachia soldiers (and their whole lot of affiliated military units)?

You make a fair point... I mean, why on earth would anyone think those who fought for America and those who fought for any version of America should ever share a grave...

Daniel Bailey39 said:And look, if we’re going by that logic—where a grave containing Italians, Germans, and so on isn't labeled as purely American but rather as a collection of different nationalities—then fine. If we really want to take it that far, let's just build a massive monument in New York City dedicated to all the victims of every war, and we can lay flowers there as an international offering for peace.

The term "All-American" doesn't imply a specific ethnicity, but rather a sense of belonging...

Essentially, anyone who identifies as American—who stands for the US.

And I don't think we're talking about an actual relocation of remains—more of a symbolic gesture...

Ryan Ward2 said:The real question isn't about his right to be there; it's whether you would actually want him lying in a tomb alongside the bones of the very people who fought on the opposite side of that same war.

Then again, one could pose that very same inquiry to the families of those who fought on the opposing side.🤷

I can imagine the responses coming from both my perspective and theirs.

Once all that's been said, we might finally touch upon the actual feasibility of such an idea, only to find ourselves back at square one, wondering where the conflict lies .

I have no interest in a reconciliation that looks like: "Come make peace with us, while we offer you nothing but a cold shoulder."