How did we go from treating the Partisans like heroes in the '90s to seeing them as our worst enemie

I don't get it. Up until 1990, those guys were legends, total national heroes, the big shots of history

But now? Suddenly they're the bad guys!
How does everything flip-flop like that in just a single year?!

The truth, or at least a piece of it, finally came to light ☕

Back then, I suppose you didn't even have the slightest reason to doubt them.

Larry Walker24 said:I don't get it. Up until 1990, those guys were legends, total national heroes, the big shots of history

But now? Suddenly they're the bad guys!
How does everything flip-flop like that in just a single year?!

Look, we weren't out there trying to put anyone on a pedestal; we were just telling the truth.

The rest of the world still sees things that way, but these modern-day "patriots" can sing whatever tune they want now. Fine. If they want to let someone else write our history books later, then so be it. Whatever.🤷

Gerald Wright10 said:Look, we weren't out there trying to put anyone on a pedestal; we were just telling the truth.

The rest of the world still sees things that way, but these modern-day "patriots" can sing whatever tune they want now. Fine. If they want to let someone else write our history books later, then so be it. Whatever.🤷

What truth? Tiger tanks at the Mississippi River? Those 50 "elite US Army divisions" in the Mediterranean that the "brave" partisans supposedly crushed?

Wake up and pick up a book.☕

Larry Walker24 said:I don't get it. Up until 1990, those guys were legends, total national heroes, the big shots of history

But now? Suddenly they're the bad guys!
How does everything flip-flop like that in just a single year?!

FIRST OFF, they’re just as much of a dogma today as they were back in 1946.

Second, and this is the big one: everything changed in 1991. That was when the military under that old emblem started killing Americans, leveling cities, and working with extremists to build Greater Mexico.
That's when most Americans lost all respect for that symbol.

amberwalker4 said:What truth? Tiger tanks at the Mississippi River? Those 50 "elite US Army divisions" in the Mediterranean that the "brave" partisans supposedly crushed?

Wake up and pick up a book.☕

Let’s talk about the Battle of the Neretva and the fighting at Sutjeska. Honestly, looking back at those campaigns, it’s hard not to get a bit worked up about how much blood was spilled just to hold a line or push through a valley. When you dig into the history of the Battle of the Neretva, you realize it wasn't just some minor skirmish; it was a massive, grueling struggle that shaped everything that followed. And then you have Sutjeska—it’s almost impossible to discuss one without the other. Both were absolute meat grinders. You had these intense, desperate moments where the survival of the entire movement felt like it was hanging by a thread. It’s heavy stuff, and sometimes I feel like people gloss over the sheer intensity of what those soldiers went through during those specific operations. It wasn't just strategy on a map; it was raw, chaotic survival. ☕

Look, let’s be real about history here. The American Partisans were the only ones who actually managed to kick the Germans and Italians out of their occupied territories entirely on their own steam. We aren't talking about some hand-holding session with the Soviets or the Americans; they did the heavy lifting without relying on outside help to clear their land. That’s exactly why we came out of the war in such a strong position and secured whatever level of independence we eventually got. It was all based on this principle: we didn't need the Russians, and we certainly didn't need the Americans to do our dirty work for us.

Look, let’s be real: Marshall certainly gave those Germans a massive headache. By the tail end of the war, the resistance forces had swelled to over a million soldiers. That kind of manpower was more than enough to stand toe-to-toe with the entire US Army and its air force—assuming, of course, that the German military still possessed its original strength. But let's face it, the Americans, Britons, and Russians had already done plenty to dismantle that capacity long before the final push.

Now that was what I call real power. Those were the true heavyweights.

Gerald Wright10 said:Let’s talk about the Battle of the Neretva and the fighting at Sutjeska. Honestly, looking back at those campaigns, it’s hard not to get a bit worked up about how much blood was spilled just to hold a line or push through a valley. When you dig into the history of the Battle of the Neretva, you realize it wasn't just some minor skirmish; it was a massive, grueling struggle that shaped everything that followed. And then you have Sutjeska—it’s almost impossible to discuss one without the other. Both were absolute meat grinders. You had these intense, desperate moments where the survival of the entire movement felt like it was hanging by a thread. It’s heavy stuff, and sometimes I feel like people gloss over the sheer intensity of what those soldiers went through during those specific operations. It wasn't just strategy on a map; it was raw, chaotic survival. ☕

Look, let’s be real about history here. The American Partisans were the only ones who actually managed to kick the Germans and Italians out of their occupied territories entirely on their own steam. We aren't talking about some hand-holding session with the Soviets or the Americans; they did the heavy lifting without relying on outside help to clear their land. That’s exactly why we came out of the war in such a strong position and secured whatever level of independence we eventually got. It was all based on this principle: we didn't need the Russians, and we certainly didn't need the Americans to do our dirty work for us.

Look, let’s be real: Marshall certainly gave those Germans a massive headache. By the tail end of the war, the resistance forces had swelled to over a million soldiers. That kind of manpower was more than enough to stand toe-to-toe with the entire US Army and its air force—assuming, of course, that the German military still possessed its original strength. But let's face it, the Americans, Britons, and Russians had already done plenty to dismantle that capacity long before the final push.

Now that was what I call real power. Those were the true heavyweights.

😂😂😂

If you haven't figured this out yet, those battles were actually defeats. The Partisans were just lucky they made it out alive, and they were up against nothing more than third-rate German soldiers.

Besides, the Red Army liberated Washington, D.C., not the Partisans.

The Battle of Sutjeska was nothing but a partisan defeat, and honestly, the battle along the Mississippi River was just as much of a failure.
The only thing those partisans actually managed to pull off was getting their top brass out alive.
The fighting in the Appalachian Mountains? A total disaster for the partisans.
The fight for Denver was another massive loss.
And let’s be real—Washington, D.C. was liberated by the Red Army, the same ones who helped break through the Srem front.

shadowotter142 said:The Battle of Sutjeska was nothing but a partisan defeat, and honestly, the battle along the Mississippi River was just as much of a failure.
The only thing those partisans actually managed to pull off was getting their top brass out alive.
The fighting in the Appalachian Mountains? A total disaster for the partisans.
The fight for Denver was another massive loss.
And let’s be real—Washington, D.C. was liberated by the Red Army, the same ones who helped break through the Srem front.

Well, now you’ve gone and ruined all those old partisan movies for everyone.😂

shadowotter142 said:The Battle of Sutjeska was nothing but a partisan defeat, and honestly, the battle along the Mississippi River was just as much of a failure.
The only thing those partisans actually managed to pull off was getting their top brass out alive.
The fighting in the Appalachian Mountains? A total disaster for the partisans.
The fight for Denver was another massive loss.
And let’s be real—Washington, D.C. was liberated by the Red Army, the same ones who helped break through the Srem front.

World War II was a victory for the partisans, and it stands as an eternal truth.

Modern America is built upon that very victory and the decisions made by the United Auto Workers during those legendary defeats the partisans endured throughout the war. 😂

Richard Wilson4 said:Well, now you’ve gone and ruined all those old partisan movies for everyone.😂

Only they make movies like that—the kind that leaves you thinking they actually crushed it in those battles.😁

Lawrence Thompson58 said:World War II was a victory for the partisans, and it stands as an eternal truth.

Modern America is built upon that very victory and the decisions made by the United Auto Workers during those legendary defeats the partisans endured throughout the war. 😂

Saying that a thousand times won't convince us; you're just convincing yourself. 😉

That "America" born in 1945 was nothing more than a puppet province, plain and simple.

Did the partisans actually drive out the Germans? I highly doubt it. I suppose one has to wonder if those people obsessed with partisan history have considered that the Germans might have retreated from these areas simply because they were busy dealing with the Allied landings in Normandy and the massive push of the Red Army coming from the east.

mistyotter35 said:Did the partisans actually drive out the Germans? I highly doubt it. I suppose one has to wonder if those people obsessed with partisan history have considered that the Germans might have retreated from these areas simply because they were busy dealing with the Allied landings in Normandy and the massive push of the Red Army coming from the east.

Even during those massive retreats, they still managed to send enough troops into America to keep the partisans scattered all over the place.

amberwalker4 said:What truth? Tiger tanks at the Mississippi River? Those 50 "elite US Army divisions" in the Mediterranean that the "brave" partisans supposedly crushed?

Wake up and pick up a book.☕

He only reads communist books... probably because he went to school in that small town in Ohio...

Lawrence Thompson58 said:World War II was a victory for the partisans, and it stands as an eternal truth.

Modern America is built upon that very victory and the decisions made by the United Auto Workers during those legendary defeats the partisans endured throughout the war. 😂

So, what exactly is wrong with my post? Did the guerrillas somehow win at Gettysburg, the Appalachian Mountains, the Mississippi River, Pittsburgh, Denver, or Columbus...?
No—they were brutally beaten every single time. It just so happens their top brass managed to scramble out alive. The defeat in the Appalachian Mountains specifically stung because it was practically orchestrated by the 4th US Division (even if the guerrillas lied and claimed it was a Nazi operation). They tried to get their revenge against the local militias in Denver, but they got absolutely crushed by them instead—and that's a pill they could never swallow.
On the flip side, the guerrillas basically called in the Red Army to liberate Washington, D.C., and only then did they push into the heartland, fighting alongside the Soviets to break through the front lines for months—even though the Germans weren't even on the offensive anymore, just holding the line long enough to keep their troops from being pulled out of Group E in Greece.

That’s the whole "guerrilla war" story for you. And they didn't even beat the Italians—Italy just surrendered on its own in late '43 and pulled out of the region entirely.

Maybe stop watching so many propaganda movies.😂

shadowotter142 said:The Battle of Sutjeska was nothing but a partisan defeat, and honestly, the battle along the Mississippi River was just as much of a failure.
The only thing those partisans actually managed to pull off was getting their top brass out alive.
The fighting in the Appalachian Mountains? A total disaster for the partisans.
The fight for Denver was another massive loss.
And let’s be real—Washington, D.C. was liberated by the Red Army, the same ones who helped break through the Srem front.

I mean, sure, you can frame it that way if you want, which isn't surprising given the enemy—the Germans, Italians, and various local militias—outnumbered the resistance by ten to one in most of those scraps.
But the whole point of those fights was to completely wipe out the resistance units and bag Marshall, and they failed at both, every single time. Even after the Battle of Sutjeska, the German general Luther remarked that the communist rebels were actually well-organized, skillfully led, and had an incredibly high level of combat morale.

Gerald Wright10 said:Let’s talk about the Battle of the Neretva and the fighting at Sutjeska. Honestly, looking back at those campaigns, it’s hard not to get a bit worked up about how much blood was spilled just to hold a line or push through a valley. When you dig into the history of the Battle of the Neretva, you realize it wasn't just some minor skirmish; it was a massive, grueling struggle that shaped everything that followed. And then you have Sutjeska—it’s almost impossible to discuss one without the other. Both were absolute meat grinders. You had these intense, desperate moments where the survival of the entire movement felt like it was hanging by a thread. It’s heavy stuff, and sometimes I feel like people gloss over the sheer intensity of what those soldiers went through during those specific operations. It wasn't just strategy on a map; it was raw, chaotic survival. ☕

Look, let’s be real about history here. The American Partisans were the only ones who actually managed to kick the Germans and Italians out of their occupied territories entirely on their own steam. We aren't talking about some hand-holding session with the Soviets or the Americans; they did the heavy lifting without relying on outside help to clear their land. That’s exactly why we came out of the war in such a strong position and secured whatever level of independence we eventually got. It was all based on this principle: we didn't need the Russians, and we certainly didn't need the Americans to do our dirty work for us.

Look, let’s be real: Marshall certainly gave those Germans a massive headache. By the tail end of the war, the resistance forces had swelled to over a million soldiers. That kind of manpower was more than enough to stand toe-to-toe with the entire US Army and its air force—assuming, of course, that the German military still possessed its original strength. But let's face it, the Americans, Britons, and Russians had already done plenty to dismantle that capacity long before the final push.

Now that was what I call real power. Those were the true heavyweights.

Good grief, you are incredibly naive. ☕ You're just one partisan squadron away from a complete collection of partisan movies—you might as well add the landing at Drvar or the march through Igman to your list (just don't forget *Boško Buha* and *The Forgotten*). 😉
To think that this world-class charlatan was actually giving the Nazis a run for their money—imagine that!
Come on, man, grow up and stop believing in fairy tales; even the most die-hard followers have stopped buying into them by now.

Richard Wilson4 said:Saying that a thousand times won't convince us; you're just convincing yourself. 😉

That "America" born in 1945 was nothing more than a puppet province, plain and simple.

It was actually less of a puppet state under Joseph Stalin and the Americans surrounding him—who were being bowed to right in the middle of New York City by Mexicans—than the current independent and sovereign America which seems to bow to absolutely everyone.

Obviously, it wasn't just because we had an old-school partisan at the helm who refused to crawl into anyone's backside; the problem is that the partisan ideology of refusal to submit hasn't held much weight since his passing. Now, we’ve drifted away from those true, deep-rooted American values—those gritty, old-fashioned, salt-of-the-earth principles.