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Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#401 ·
hiddendriver34 said:It’s like everyone is just parroting the same old lines over and over again. It’s become such a cliché—you know, that whole "wherever there's a Turk, you'll find little Moe" kind of thing. Everyone's just repeating it like a broken record.

In the US, the tradition of full-day schooling has been around for at least fifty years. My husband grew up with that setup—he had full-day classes throughout his entire elementary school years, which back then lasted until the end of sixth grade. His older brother and sister went through the exact same thing. It was a long time ago, but that's just how things were done.

Our traditions are just built differently here. Look, I’m not saying that locking the door every single time is always the ultimate answer, but why on earth is full-day schooling considered the gold standard? I’m genuinely curious about the logic behind it. I don't want the usual "because everyone else is doing it" excuse—that doesn't explain anything. What is the actual, tangible advantage? Mandatory. All-day classes? Seriously? That sounds like a total grind.

-To keep kids off the streets (or stuck on TikTok these days)
-So parents have total control over their children
-To crush any sense of creativity or spark of imagination, which usually relies on downtime (something school tends to eliminate or discourage)
-To limit them from learning practical life skills, making them dependent on outside services (which, honestly, just preserves certain job sectors even though those jobs are becoming harder to fill)
-To keep them within a tiny social bubble, preventing them from seeing how other kids live or realizing that things can be different—better or worse—outside their immediate circle
-To make life easier for parents so they don't have to worry about what the kids are doing while they're at work (it's a whole thing)

Those same highly developed USA countries with full-day schedules actually recruit our specialists for years and are incredibly grateful when they arrive.
It's pretty clear that our traditions and the quality of our professionals aren't nearly as bad as the local gossip suggests, or as people try to convince us since we joined the USA.

The biggest flaw I see in our system is that you always seem to run into a teacher who drains a child's desire to learn. As the curriculum gets heavier, that spirit of inquiry and curiosity starts to fade. Exactly what could prevent this is having more time at home—maybe being home with a key, sitting in the next room with Grandma, or having a neighbor keeping an eye in from the balcony—basically having the freedom to pursue what you actually love once the school bell rings.

Not every kid is built for a high-pressure academic track, and they shouldn't have to be. They need to learn hands-on skills, work with their hands, observe how family members handle things at home, and learn from them.
Those advanced USA countries where kids are in school from dawn till dusk are actually facing a massive shortage of skilled tradespeople—the kind of experts who command huge salaries nowadays (sometimes even more than doctors)—and they often bring in talent from abroad because they're running out of locals.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#402 ·
I don't really have the energy to dig through the whole curriculum myself. Would anyone be kind enough to explain how they're planning to run this extra module—both the standard and the advanced versions?
we're looking at 16 grades with about 25 kids in each class at the same time.
Paul Davis2 Paul Davis2 Active Member
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#403 ·
hiddendriver34 said:Maybe try giving my original post another read and actually answer the question I asked, rather than putting words in my mouth that I never even said?

Honestly, at this point, it's pretty clear we all need to work on our reading comprehension skills. 😁

Look, you’re reading way too much into this—you’re overanalyzing instead of just seeing the core issue. The bottom line is simple: we have some of the lowest hourly pay rates in all of Europe, student competency is dropping, and everyone is miserable—the kids, the parents, and the teachers. It's a total stalemate where nobody wins.

We’re looking at a pilot program that comes with funding, infrastructure investment, and a framework designed to align with successful school systems worldwide—the kind where student outcomes and overall satisfaction actually trend upward. It isn't being shoved down anyone's throat as some magic fix; it's being presented as a flexible foundation. And yet, somehow, it's still hitting a wall.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#404 ·
Paul Davis2 said:An 8-to-3 schedule is pretty standard across the USA—literally everywhere. In places where the day seems shorter, they aren't actually doing continuous instruction; it includes lunch breaks and various group activities. It’s not a solid block from 8 to 3; it’s a series of breaks, meals, and social periods.
Trying to run non-stop instruction from 8 to 3 just isn't realistic.

It’s also totally normal throughout the USA to attend private schools (where, by the way, they can actually expel you). These schools are worlds apart from what public schools provide. And I’m not just talking about the quality of the cafeteria food—though sometimes that’s the deciding factor—but also the caliber of teachers and the variety of subjects offered.

In California, public elementary education is still free. Plus, it's generally available to everyone right in their own neighborhood, usually just a quick 2 to 10-minute walk away.
Given the American model you guys seem to love so much, plenty of kids end up commuting long distances to school for all sorts of reasons.
I just don't want that for my kids.
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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#405 ·
rowdypanther12 said:I don't really have the energy to dig through the whole curriculum myself. Would anyone be kind enough to explain how they're planning to run this extra module—both the standard and the advanced versions?
we're looking at 16 grades with about 25 kids in each class at the same time.

So, the plan is every grade stays in their own classroom with one teacher. Like, the homeroom teacher stays put, while the subject teachers rotate in—maybe an American history teacher, a math teacher, a physics guy, a chemistry teacher... Just one teacher per class. Good grief, give me a break!
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#406 ·
rowdypanther12 said:I don't really have the energy to dig through the whole curriculum myself. Would anyone be kind enough to explain how they're planning to run this extra module—both the standard and the advanced versions?
we're looking at 16 grades with about 25 kids in each class at the same time.

Honestly, I don't think they even have a clear plan themselves.
If you take a quick look at the curriculum, it's not actually that long; most of it is just beautifully phrased sentences where everything sounds absolutely perfect.
It’s almost a shame they didn't print the whole thing in bright pink. 😍
Bryan Wells11 Bryan Wells11 Member
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#407 ·
Michelle Nelson4 said:I’m just looking over the schedule in the planner again to be absolutely certain, so let me double-check my math here:
5th grade—that’s 5 sessions of 5 hours each per week.
7th grade—it’s 2 sessions of 6 hours and 3 sessions of 5 hours weekly.
That is the mandatory requirement. Period. It isn’t some marathon where they're stuck in class for 7 or 8 hours "every single day."

Honestly, when I come across claims like that, it really makes me wonder how much truth there actually is behind the other "facts" being tossed around by these same forum users...

Could you please list your pedagogical credentials? Just so I know which expert I am debating here, because—with all due respect—you sound like someone who is either frustrated with their own working hours or completely unacquainted with developmental psychology. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but just because you're "looking at PowerSchool" doesn't make you an expert.
hiddendriver34 hiddendriver34 Regular
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#408 ·
Paul Davis2 said:Look, you’re reading way too much into this—you’re overanalyzing instead of just seeing the core issue. The bottom line is simple: we have some of the lowest hourly pay rates in all of Europe, student competency is dropping, and everyone is miserable—the kids, the parents, and the teachers. It's a total stalemate where nobody wins.

We’re looking at a pilot program that comes with funding, infrastructure investment, and a framework designed to align with successful school systems worldwide—the kind where student outcomes and overall satisfaction actually trend upward. It isn't being shoved down anyone's throat as some magic fix; it's being presented as a flexible foundation. And yet, somehow, it's still hitting a wall.

So, what you're saying is we might actually end up with smarter, happier kids, satisfied parents, and teachers who don't hate their jobs? Sounds like a plan to me. 😁
Bryan Wells11 Bryan Wells11 Member
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#409 ·
Paul Davis2 said:Look, you’re reading way too much into this—you’re overanalyzing instead of just seeing the core issue. The bottom line is simple: we have some of the lowest hourly pay rates in all of Europe, student competency is dropping, and everyone is miserable—the kids, the parents, and the teachers. It's a total stalemate where nobody wins.

We’re looking at a pilot program that comes with funding, infrastructure investment, and a framework designed to align with successful school systems worldwide—the kind where student outcomes and overall satisfaction actually trend upward. It isn't being shoved down anyone's throat as some magic fix; it's being presented as a flexible foundation. And yet, somehow, it's still hitting a wall.

Lowest hourly rates—not true.
Low student competency—really? I guess winning math and computer science medals counts as low competency. Having above-average proficiency in English is low competency? Being competitive in the global job market is low competency?
Unhappy parents—that's incredibly vague. Or is a "PARENT" one monolithic entity where everyone is identical and everyone is dissatisfied? In both my professional life and through my own kid's education, I've met plenty of satisfied people.
Teachers are unhappy because they're being suffocated by bureaucratic red tape, because nobody listens to what's actually happening on the ground, because they're working in crumbling schools while being promised the moon and stars—promises that have NEVER materialized. They're expected to just bend over and take it, and worst of all, they're being asked for nothing more than decent wages.

The proposed full-day school program DOES NOT OFFER money for any kind of infrastructure; therefore, schools WILL NOT be upgraded or new gymnasiums built with this money. What is 100% being offered is an immediate 25% raise for principals. A-ha! Now we're getting somewhere.
hiddendriver34 hiddendriver34 Regular
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#410 ·
Bryan Wells11 said:Could you please list your pedagogical credentials? Just so I know which expert I am debating here, because—with all due respect—you sound like someone who is either frustrated with their own working hours or completely unacquainted with developmental psychology. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but just because you're "looking at PowerSchool" doesn't make you an expert.

Let's skip the condescension and the attempts to start a fight, please.

This is the Parents and Kids PDF, where parents share their perspectives, and they have every right to do so. If you want to have a debate about pedagogy, go find another subforum for that.
Paul Davis2 Paul Davis2 Active Member
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#411 ·
hiddendriver34 said:So, what you're saying is we might actually end up with smarter, happier kids, satisfied parents, and teachers who don't hate their jobs? Sounds like a plan to me. 😁

My kids will be out of elementary school in about two years, and honestly, I’m not thrilled with their education. What’s the fix? Beats me. All I know is everyone inside that school building seems completely burnt out.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#412 ·
Yeah, sure, because I totally have nothing better to do than sit around at 4 PM arguing about valence electrons with a bunch of teenagers. 🤦
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#413 ·
Larry Walker24 said:Yeah, sure, because I totally have nothing better to do than sit around at 4 PM arguing about valence electrons with a bunch of teenagers. 🤦

I need some help.
By 3:00 PM—or 3:30 PM at the very latest—we wrap up everything related to the core curriculum. I usually find that once we hit that window, everyone's energy starts to shift!
Starting at 3:30 PM, we kick off our elective activities! These sessions are designed to be super flexible, so they can be tailored specifically to what the students actually need and want—whether they're looking for extra help with A1 or more advanced practice with A2. It's all about making sure everyone gets exactly what they need out of their day.
For both programs, they’re recommending a heavy emphasis on sports and physical activities, but I don't know... something about that just doesn't sit right with me. It feels like the chemistry isn't quite clicking. 🙂
If it isn't sports, we really need to find something creative and fun. I want to pick activities that kids actually look forward to—something that makes them happy to stay at school a little longer than they technically have to. It shouldn't be too intense, but you know, just enough to make them feel like they're pulling off something big... almost like they've become Walter White. 😬
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#414 ·
Susan James said:I need some help.
By 3:00 PM—or 3:30 PM at the very latest—we wrap up everything related to the core curriculum. I usually find that once we hit that window, everyone's energy starts to shift!
Starting at 3:30 PM, we kick off our elective activities! These sessions are designed to be super flexible, so they can be tailored specifically to what the students actually need and want—whether they're looking for extra help with A1 or more advanced practice with A2. It's all about making sure everyone gets exactly what they need out of their day.
For both programs, they’re recommending a heavy emphasis on sports and physical activities, but I don't know... something about that just doesn't sit right with me. It feels like the chemistry isn't quite clicking. 🙂
If it isn't sports, we really need to find something creative and fun. I want to pick activities that kids actually look forward to—something that makes them happy to stay at school a little longer than they technically have to. It shouldn't be too intense, but you know, just enough to make them feel like they're pulling off something big... almost like they've become Walter White. 😬

God forbid. Honestly, I'm against CNN as it is.

But let's be real: new Secretary = new reform.

So CNN isn't going anywhere because:

a) There isn't even enough cash to fix up the US Congress (all that EU funding for earthquake repairs wraps up June 30th).
b) Four high schools in NYC are still going to be renting space come September.
c) Where is the money or the building permits coming from for school expansions nationwide over the next five years?!
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#415 ·
Paul Davis2 said:Look, you’re reading way too much into this—you’re overanalyzing instead of just seeing the core issue. The bottom line is simple: we have some of the lowest hourly pay rates in all of Europe, student competency is dropping, and everyone is miserable—the kids, the parents, and the teachers. It's a total stalemate where nobody wins.

We’re looking at a pilot program that comes with funding, infrastructure investment, and a framework designed to align with successful school systems worldwide—the kind where student outcomes and overall satisfaction actually trend upward. It isn't being shoved down anyone's throat as some magic fix; it's being presented as a flexible foundation. And yet, somehow, it's still hitting a wall.

I still don't quite get why they say our hourly requirements are the lowest?
Basically, just because our math doesn't line up with the schedules used in Western Europe or the UK, they want to keep kids stuck in school for two extra hours every single day just to make the numbers work. 😕 It doesn't matter if the kids actually learn anything during those two hours. They'll just end up frustrated and distracted, forced to study things they aren't interested in instead of what truly matters to them.

We really need to take advantage of the funding being offered. It should be directed toward:
- Building or upgrading proper kitchens and cafeterias in all elementary schools across the US and hiring enough staff so that every student from 1st through 8th grade gets a free hot lunch (which is a prerequisite for an all-day schedule, and honestly, even some half-day schools in NYC struggle with this right now).
- Providing after-school care for all first graders nationwide (since if we're talking about child safety, that's the biggest headache for parents of six-year-olds), and potentially extending it to other grades.
- Making after-school care available—and ideally free—for all 3rd and 4th graders, perhaps following the model mentioned above.
- Hiring speech therapists and providing intensive early intervention for first graders, so kids coming from less stimulating environments can catch up to peers who attended preschool or had access to private therapy.
- Hiring psychologists so children can get timely diagnoses and support, which is crucial for both their education and their overall mental health.
- Hiring kinesiology specialists and ensuring sports activities are available for those interested, similar to how some schools in major US cities offer "weekend gym time."
- Setting up foreign language, sports, and music programs so that every child receives one voucher for a completely free activity, plus another voucher that covers 50% of the cost. These wouldn't have to be held on school grounds; they could be offered by local community organizations. This way, we give kids diverse experiences, create local jobs, and help kids socialize.
Families don't have to use both vouchers, or even one; within a household, these vouchers could even be transferable between siblings...
Kate Jackson4 Kate Jackson4 Active Member
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#416 ·
Well done, Susan James. I second that motion...
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#417 ·
So, I was watching this vet on TV, and they were saying that parents who are pushing back just don't seem to get the whole idea behind a full-time program.
The speaker explained it quite nicely: kids would basically be at school until about 2:00 PM, maybe 2:30 PM at the latest, and anything after that is totally optional.
Plus, once they wrap up their school day, there’s no more work to worry about—no more homework or studying at the kitchen table late at night.
They’ll get everything done while they're actually at school.

It feels like we might be overcomplicating this debate when the solution seems so straightforward.
On top of that, since students won't have access to AI to cheat or copy answers, they'll have to rely on what they actually know, which is why having them do all their assignments during school hours is such a great move.

I'm just trying to crunch the numbers here... if an average 6th grader currently has about 5 hours of classes a day—meaning they're finished by noon and then grab lunch—they could spend that window from 1:00 PM to 2:30 PM finishing everything up. They can review what they didn't catch, finish their homework, and then be completely free after 2:30 PM with zero responsibilities at home.🙏
(Of course, math changes slightly because of the four extra elective hours per week plus two more for math and history, but those are just small details. Since they'll have a bit more time during that afternoon block, they can easily knock out the homework for five or six different subjects in an hour or ninety minutes.)

Honestly, though, I wouldn't want to be in a teacher's shoes. Imagine having angry parents showing up at 3:00 PM, giving you a hard time just because you worked those extra two hours—especially when their kid is actually crushing their exams! But hey, I suppose if the pay increases accordingly $833, it might make dealing with that stress a little easier.
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#418 ·
Susan James said:So, I was watching this vet on TV, and they were saying that parents who are pushing back just don't seem to get the whole idea behind a full-time program.
The speaker explained it quite nicely: kids would basically be at school until about 2:00 PM, maybe 2:30 PM at the latest, and anything after that is totally optional.
Plus, once they wrap up their school day, there’s no more work to worry about—no more homework or studying at the kitchen table late at night.
They’ll get everything done while they're actually at school.

It feels like we might be overcomplicating this debate when the solution seems so straightforward.
On top of that, since students won't have access to AI to cheat or copy answers, they'll have to rely on what they actually know, which is why having them do all their assignments during school hours is such a great move.

I'm just trying to crunch the numbers here... if an average 6th grader currently has about 5 hours of classes a day—meaning they're finished by noon and then grab lunch—they could spend that window from 1:00 PM to 2:30 PM finishing everything up. They can review what they didn't catch, finish their homework, and then be completely free after 2:30 PM with zero responsibilities at home.🙏
(Of course, math changes slightly because of the four extra elective hours per week plus two more for math and history, but those are just small details. Since they'll have a bit more time during that afternoon block, they can easily knock out the homework for five or six different subjects in an hour or ninety minutes.)

Honestly, though, I wouldn't want to be in a teacher's shoes. Imagine having angry parents showing up at 3:00 PM, giving you a hard time just because you worked those extra two hours—especially when their kid is actually crushing their exams! But hey, I suppose if the pay increases accordingly $833, it might make dealing with that stress a little easier.

It was already a mess, but now? It’s going to be even worse once the failing grades start rolling in—or even the mediocre ones—because kids haven't studied a single thing at home, claiming they learned everything in class.
I honestly think teaching will become the most undersupplied profession in the country. This current setup is basically a recipe for a public lynching of educators.
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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#419 ·
The vet clearly didn't bother reading the paperwork. So, let me just pull the info directly from the document for you.

In this experimental setup, the core educational work within the A1 and A2 programs involves direct instruction that all students participate in. It's actually mandatory for them—it’s tracked through their daily, weekly, and yearly school hours. In the A1 program, you mostly see standard teaching methods, whereas the A2 program focuses more on student support and enrichment activities.

Then there's the extracurricular activity programs (B1 and B2), which are part of the school curriculum too, but they're elective, so only some students end up taking them.

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In an all-day school model, the direct instructional work—carried out via the full-time program (A1) and the support/enrichment program (A2)—is organized and held during regular school hours. Generally, the mandatory school day runs from about 8:00 AM to 2:15/3:00 PM for elementary levels, and roughly 8:00 AM to 3:30/4:00 PM for subject-based middle or high school settings. This total required school time is split up between classes, support sessions, enrichment, lunch, and breaks for both students and teachers.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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Sarah Hall53 said:The vet clearly didn't bother reading the paperwork. So, let me just pull the info directly from the document for you.

In this experimental setup, the core educational work within the A1 and A2 programs involves direct instruction that all students participate in. It's actually mandatory for them—it’s tracked through their daily, weekly, and yearly school hours. In the A1 program, you mostly see standard teaching methods, whereas the A2 program focuses more on student support and enrichment activities.

Then there's the extracurricular activity programs (B1 and B2), which are part of the school curriculum too, but they're elective, so only some students end up taking them.

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In an all-day school model, the direct instructional work—carried out via the full-time program (A1) and the support/enrichment program (A2)—is organized and held during regular school hours. Generally, the mandatory school day runs from about 8:00 AM to 2:15/3:00 PM for elementary levels, and roughly 8:00 AM to 3:30/4:00 PM for subject-based middle or high school settings. This total required school time is split up between classes, support sessions, enrichment, lunch, and breaks for both students and teachers.

The vet is clearly a huge Republican partisan.

That’s some top-tier propaganda and demagoguery right there, especially coming from a major network like CNN (and let's be honest, they aren't even a public broadcaster)

I honestly don't know how he can show his face, especially when you see how many people actually bothered to read the document and join the debate. I was just Googling some of the names involved—it's not just random school teachers either; some of them are even textbook authors, at least according to what my search shows 🙏)

He can deal with it.
His kids are all grown up now, and if he has grandkids, they're probably attending some private academies, much like how things work at the AP.

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