Women are villains, men are saints

brightridge59 said:I certainly wouldn't want to make a broad generalization, but I feel like that is exactly what you're doing right now. 😁

Do you have any examples of female villains? I’m looking for characters that sort of capture the essence of most women, if that makes sense.

To be perfectly honest, I’ve always found myself gravitating toward male-dominated circles. There’s just something about the dynamic that feels more intuitive to me; I find it much easier to strike up a conversation and truly find common ground with men than I ever have with the opposite sex.

Do you happen to be on the same page as I am regarding this matter? 🙂

I’ve found that I tend to get along much more easily with men; there’s just a certain relaxed, open, and genuinely fun energy about them that I find really refreshing. To be perfectly honest, based on my own personal experiences, I’ve often found women to be somewhat more difficult—tending toward being unkind, envious, or even a bit hypocritical. It seems like our conversations frequently drift toward trivialities that simply don't capture my interest or leave me feeling quite bored, so if we’re talking about ease of connection, I definitely give the edge to the guys. Of course, I realize this is strictly my own subjective take on things, and I’m sure many others would have a completely different perspective to share. After all, there's a saying for a reason—different strokes for different folks!

I certainly respect that it’s your personal take on the matter, but I have to wonder—where is the actual evidence to support the claim that women are inherently unpleasant?

To be honest, I find myself gravitating toward male company quite often. It isn’t necessarily about being in a large group where it’s five guys and me, though; more often than not, it’s just those meaningful one-on-one conversations that I truly value. In fact, if I look at my inner circle, I actually have more close male friends than female ones. My relationships with women tend to stay a bit more on the surface level—usually centered around grabbing coffee, going out for drinks, or just chatting about the latest guys we've encountered. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, but I find the depth I share with my male friends to be much more fulfilling.

I also have a few wonderful girlfriends in my circle whom I can say, with absolute certainty, are truly lovely people. They aren't just friends out of habit or convenience; they are genuinely kind souls through and through. 🙂

I honestly can’t quite wrap my head around how the title even relates to the actual topic at hand. It feels completely disconnected. From what I can gather, it just looks like a gathering of some well-known, rather frustrated men.

What truly weighs on my mind—and I find it genuinely unsettling—is that even when you weigh all those arguments regarding the historical suppression of women, there remains this lingering question. I was actually discussing this recently with an old friend of mine, much like how one might sit down for a long chat over coffee in Seattle, and we touched upon a profound paradox. If women finally have the autonomy to choose their own paths—choices that previous generations quite literally fought and died for—why is it that some still gravitate toward being exclusively a mother, a homemaker, and a wife? It’s a complex puzzle that I can't help but dwell on.

Why wouldn't someone simply choose the path where they feel most fulfilled? For instance, you have chosen to serve as a moderator, whereas another individual might decide that isn't for them. Every person arrives at their decision through their own unique set of motivations, and all those reasons are valid, even if they are difficult for others to grasp.

I find it quite difficult to wrap my head around the idea that even in our modern era, women still face such limited choices—to the point where one might feel like opting out entirely. That’s just how I see things. And honestly, I wouldn't dream of judging anyone, because I certainly wouldn't want to be surprised if someone actually found happiness within those constraints.

When I look at certain dynamics in the world around me, I truly struggle to believe that people can still hold the mindset that the man should always come first, essentially bending everything to his will while the woman is treated as if she barely matters at all.

Steven Johnson3 said:It started with the major news networks, but now it has spilled over onto Politics too.

Clearly, none of you actually read any theology...😂

In those texts, we're supposedly the "lesser" ones—the sinners, the wicked, the outcasts according to certain religious definitions...😂
but apparently, the truly insufferable, elitist jerks are the moderators...
I mean, just the other day I got a DM... from some narrow-minded sexist who clearly needs to face some consequences
only to realize... it was from a woman! 😁

I’m certainly not much of a masochist, so I don't think I'll be picking up any religious texts anytime soon. 😬

Joel, did he mention anything about you turning into a pillar of salt if you don't cut it out? 😁

brightridge59 said:I find it quite difficult to wrap my head around the idea that even in our modern era, women still face such limited choices—to the point where one might feel like opting out entirely. That’s just how I see things. And honestly, I wouldn't dream of judging anyone, because I certainly wouldn't want to be surprised if someone actually found happiness within those constraints.

When I look at certain dynamics in the world around me, I truly struggle to believe that people can still hold the mindset that the man should always come first, essentially bending everything to his will while the woman is treated as if she barely matters at all.

I have to admit, your comment caught me completely off guard. I had always thought of you as... well, quite grounded, realistic, and open about your perspectives. That is why this almost malicious sense of exclusivity was so startling. To suggest that a woman effectively ceases to exist simply because she chooses to be a homemaker and a mother is truly a harsh thing to say. 😢

brightridge59 said:I find it quite difficult to wrap my head around the idea that even in our modern era, women still face such limited choices—to the point where one might feel like opting out entirely. That’s just how I see things. And honestly, I wouldn't dream of judging anyone, because I certainly wouldn't want to be surprised if someone actually found happiness within those constraints.

When I look at certain dynamics in the world around me, I truly struggle to believe that people can still hold the mindset that the man should always come first, essentially bending everything to his will while the woman is treated as if she barely matters at all.

Fair enough, but those are just certain cases. How do you account for instances where young women walk away from successful careers to devote themselves entirely to their children? I know two such women personally, and I can tell you that when they left their firms, their absence was felt deeply across their entire departments. They were incredibly talented and high-achieving professionals. Now, they are home, fully dedicated to raising their kids, and they are genuinely happy. 🙂

brightridge59 said:I find it quite difficult to wrap my head around the idea that even in our modern era, women still face such limited choices—to the point where one might feel like opting out entirely. That’s just how I see things. And honestly, I wouldn't dream of judging anyone, because I certainly wouldn't want to be surprised if someone actually found happiness within those constraints.

When I look at certain dynamics in the world around me, I truly struggle to believe that people can still hold the mindset that the man should always come first, essentially bending everything to his will while the woman is treated as if she barely matters at all.

It’s all becoming more than just obvious at this point.
They’re choosing to call being a housewife a "career" just because it's a way easier ride with way less stress.

Bradley Taylor24 said:I have to admit, your comment caught me completely off guard. I had always thought of you as... well, quite grounded, realistic, and open about your perspectives. That is why this almost malicious sense of exclusivity was so startling. To suggest that a woman effectively ceases to exist simply because she chooses to be a homemaker and a mother is truly a harsh thing to say. 😢

Fair enough, but those are just certain cases. How do you account for instances where young women walk away from successful careers to devote themselves entirely to their children? I know two such women personally, and I can tell you that when they left their firms, their absence was felt deeply across their entire departments. They were incredibly talented and high-achieving professionals. Now, they are home, fully dedicated to raising their kids, and they are genuinely happy. 🙂

I think you might have taken my post a bit too literally.

I didn't anticipate needing to clarify, but I suppose I will.

When I say someone "ceases to exist," I'm referring to her sense of self—who she is as an individual. I don't know how many young mothers you've encountered in your life, but I certainly know plenty.

They often lose sight of themselves—their hobbies, their passions, and all those little things that made them who they were before marriage and children came into the picture. To me, that specific version of the person I once knew effectively disappears, replaced by the roles she has stepped into: mother, wife, homemaker.

Fair enough, but those are just certain instances. How do you account for the women who walk away from high-powered careers specifically to focus on their kids? I personally know two such women, and let me tell you, when they left their firms, there was a massive void left in their departments. They were incredibly talented, top-tier professionals. Now, they're home, fully dedicated to raising their little ones, and they are genuinely happy doing it. 🙂

My point is that these women are making a conscious, rational choice. They have the common sense and the agency to ensure that motherhood and marriage aren't their *only* sources of fulfillment. Kudos to them. 👍

However, I still feel that the percentage of women choosing this path could be higher. I can't help but wonder if it's because men aren't stepping up to shoulder half of the parenting and household duties, which forces women to stay home, or if it's just a matter of following the path of least resistance.

It’s actually quite disheartening when I go to visit a friend who has a child; nearly every single thing she talks about revolves around her kid, someone else's kid, or her husband (usually something about his job at a firm like Goldman Sachs or similar).

In those moments, I find myself thinking—honey, where did *you* go?

I find myself quite repulsed by the exact type of individual you’re describing. When they speak, there is a complete absence of personal agency; nothing is ever "I did this" or "this is my preference." Instead, everything is framed within an incessant "we." We had a disagreement, we took a nap this afternoon, we didn't enjoy certain foods, we dislike specific brands—it is a constant stream of collective pronouns. It is a behavioral profile that becomes apparent very early on, allowing one to avoid them entirely if they have any foresight. These are the people who use photos of their children as their own profile pictures and avatars. They fill their signatures and status updates with countdown tickers toward a child's birth date. They engage in a million tiny ways to solicit attention by essentially commodifying their offspring—children who, in many cases, haven't even been born yet. Ultimately, the issue was significant enough that the Forum recognized the chaos and designated a specific section just for them, presumably to keep their particular brand of mania contained. 😁

Andrew Mendoza10 said:It’s because they lack any semblance of common sense—you can't blame some guy for that. Honestly, they don't seem to care one bit. Then, when they actually run into a decent guy, he isn't "exciting" enough because he isn't a bad boy. So, they go looking for the bad boy who will slowly bruise them just to show who's boss in the relationship. They crave it—and really, who are we to judge?

We actually had a survey like this at my high school recently, and over half the girls said there's NO way they'd date an asshole. It feels like we're all moving away from those types, and whenever we actually cross paths with a "bad boy," we just laugh or tell him exactly where to shove it. I don't know, maybe it's just my school, or maybe things are actually changing... it's worth talking about.🤷 ☕

@ Bradley Taylor24

I'm absolutely terrible at this, especially since you're out here comparing women to sheep! 🤣

I actually have a couple in my neighborhood who don't just do everything together—like being pregnant, having kids, or even just running errands—but they actually call each other "Mom" and "Dad." 😱

They are both such wonderful people; they’re both college-educated, and she has her own career rather than staying at home, so they’re really the last pair I’d expect to act that way.

I feel like we've drifted a bit from the original topic, haven't we? 😁

brightridge59 said:@ Bradley Taylor24

I'm absolutely terrible at this, especially since you're out here comparing women to sheep! 🤣

I actually have a couple in my neighborhood who don't just do everything together—like being pregnant, having kids, or even just running errands—but they actually call each other "Mom" and "Dad." 😱

They are both such wonderful people; they’re both college-educated, and she has her own career rather than staying at home, so they’re really the last pair I’d expect to act that way.

I feel like we've drifted a bit from the original topic, haven't we? 😁

Well, they exist to me, at least. Even if they are a bit flock-minded. 😁

Jessica Barrett65 said:Does anyone have a good book recommendation? I’m looking to really dive deep and understand what feminists are actually advocating for...

Why bother with a book? Honestly, just look at the statements made by those famous feminist leaders from the 60s until now. Or better yet, just check their marital status—that’ll tell you everything you need to know. They're either lesbians or have never even been close to a guy, which makes their whole perspective pretty irrelevant. Feminism is basically like the political parties here in the States... Their platform is always something like, "We're going to create jobs and hire 200,000 new people over the next five years."

The reality? Unemployment hits record highs, and the economy ends up looted and completely gutted.

At that point, you can just let someone like Sanders tell you, "How can you judge us when you don't understand the nuances? Just read our manifesto and then you'll see."

Look, ladies, no offense, but I've dealt with way too many irritating, rude, and aggressive feminists who seem to be fueled entirely by pure hatred for men. Even when you listen to the speeches and watch the behavior of the "great" award-winning activists, it doesn't change the vibe. I don't think I need any literature to explain it to me; I've experienced the whole thing firsthand.😉

P.S

And please, don't go thinking you "fought" for women's rights. You didn't. You got them from the men you were asking for help in the first place, backed by massive lobbying efforts after tens of millions of men died in the World Wars. I'm not saying I'm not glad you have most of the same rights as men—you definitely do, and that's what matters—but let's be real: you aren't quite as "tough" as you pretend to be. If men had been forced to lie in freezing water from birth until death, things would look a lot different...☕

brightridge59 said:I certainly wouldn't want to make a broad generalization, but I feel like that is exactly what you're doing right now. 😁

Do you have any examples of female villains? I’m looking for characters that sort of capture the essence of most women, if that makes sense.

To be perfectly honest, I’ve always found myself gravitating toward male-dominated circles. There’s just something about the dynamic that feels more intuitive to me; I find it much easier to strike up a conversation and truly find common ground with men than I ever have with the opposite sex.

Do you happen to be on the same page as I am regarding this matter? 🙂

I’ve found that I tend to get along much more easily with men; there’s just a certain relaxed, open, and genuinely fun energy about them that I find really refreshing. To be perfectly honest, based on my own personal experiences, I’ve often found women to be somewhat more difficult—tending toward being unkind, envious, or even a bit hypocritical. It seems like our conversations frequently drift toward trivialities that simply don't capture my interest or leave me feeling quite bored, so if we’re talking about ease of connection, I definitely give the edge to the guys. Of course, I realize this is strictly my own subjective take on things, and I’m sure many others would have a completely different perspective to share. After all, there's a saying for a reason—different strokes for different folks!

I certainly respect that it’s your personal take on the matter, but I have to wonder—where is the actual evidence to support the claim that women are inherently unpleasant?

To be honest, I find myself gravitating toward male company quite often. It isn’t necessarily about being in a large group where it’s five guys and me, though; more often than not, it’s just those meaningful one-on-one conversations that I truly value. In fact, if I look at my inner circle, I actually have more close male friends than female ones. My relationships with women tend to stay a bit more on the surface level—usually centered around grabbing coffee, going out for drinks, or just chatting about the latest guys we've encountered. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, but I find the depth I share with my male friends to be much more fulfilling.

I also have a few wonderful girlfriends in my circle whom I can say, with absolute certainty, are truly lovely people. They aren't just friends out of habit or convenience; they are genuinely kind souls through and through. 🙂

I honestly can’t quite wrap my head around how the title even relates to the actual topic at hand. It feels completely disconnected. From what I can gather, it just looks like a gathering of some well-known, rather frustrated men.

What truly weighs on my mind—and I find it genuinely unsettling—is that even when you weigh all those arguments regarding the historical suppression of women, there remains this lingering question. I was actually discussing this recently with an old friend of mine, much like how one might sit down for a long chat over coffee in Seattle, and we touched upon a profound paradox. If women finally have the autonomy to choose their own paths—choices that previous generations quite literally fought and died for—why is it that some still gravitate toward being exclusively a mother, a homemaker, and a wife? It’s a complex puzzle that I can't help but dwell on.

brightridge59 said:I find it quite difficult to wrap my head around the idea that even in our modern era, women still face such limited choices—to the point where one might feel like opting out entirely. That’s just how I see things. And honestly, I wouldn't dream of judging anyone, because I certainly wouldn't want to be surprised if someone actually found happiness within those constraints.

When I look at certain dynamics in the world around me, I truly struggle to believe that people can still hold the mindset that the man should always come first, essentially bending everything to his will while the woman is treated as if she barely matters at all.

Yeah, everything you mentioned is pretty depressing... but what’s just as unsettling is that the men in these women's lives actually go along with it—they see these roles as perfectly normal, even desirable, and end up fueling the whole cycle.
By pure coincidence, I find myself constantly surrounded by crowds of twenty-somethings—both guys and girls. Based on their takes, it’s pretty glaringly obvious that the situation in their own homes will likely look exactly like the one described above in about ten years.

I’ve been sidelined more times than I can count—strictly because I happen to be a woman. It wasn't even subtle; people have actually said it to my face. I haven't exactly encountered that specific brand of discrimination directed at men—not that I'm complaining, per se.
I’m sitting here writing this while listening to a radio ad that leans just a little too hard into chauvinism: "A woman went to the bank. Do you have any idea how long that takes?" — wtf?
At the end of the day—regardless of how you slice it—men and women are both stuck in the same boat. We’re all in this together.
Some people here keep bringing up the election—but let’s be honest, you can't actually vote unless you're truly awake. We all grow up absorbing these viewpoints, whether we realize it or not, until they just become part of our DNA. To step outside that bubble requires actual critical thinking—which, let's face it, is a pretty rare commodity in both individuals and society at large.
In this particular thread, a woman in this group finds herself facing an even tougher choice—if you can even call it that.

copperharbor172 said:Why bother with a book? Honestly, just look at the statements made by those famous feminist leaders from the 60s until now. Or better yet, just check their marital status—that’ll tell you everything you need to know. They're either lesbians or have never even been close to a guy, which makes their whole perspective pretty irrelevant. Feminism is basically like the political parties here in the States... Their platform is always something like, "We're going to create jobs and hire 200,000 new people over the next five years."

The reality? Unemployment hits record highs, and the economy ends up looted and completely gutted.

At that point, you can just let someone like Sanders tell you, "How can you judge us when you don't understand the nuances? Just read our manifesto and then you'll see."

Look, ladies, no offense, but I've dealt with way too many irritating, rude, and aggressive feminists who seem to be fueled entirely by pure hatred for men. Even when you listen to the speeches and watch the behavior of the "great" award-winning activists, it doesn't change the vibe. I don't think I need any literature to explain it to me; I've experienced the whole thing firsthand.😉

P.S

And please, don't go thinking you "fought" for women's rights. You didn't. You got them from the men you were asking for help in the first place, backed by massive lobbying efforts after tens of millions of men died in the World Wars. I'm not saying I'm not glad you have most of the same rights as men—you definitely do, and that's what matters—but let's be real: you aren't quite as "tough" as you pretend to be. If men had been forced to lie in freezing water from birth until death, things would look a lot different...☕

That is the truth. My favorite moments are when they start lecturing me about "voting rights," completely unaware that their votes don't actually carry any weight; we simply allow them to participate so they can feel satisfied. 😁

Women. 😍

Drew Lee7 said:First off, my bad, wiredmoose3 for being caught in the crossfire of this fight between me and—let's be honest—some of the other women here, rather than you specifically. So, sorry about that, Baby.

I actually wrote you a massive response, but the ether just swallowed it whole. I honestly didn't have the energy to deal with the tech issues again. Long story short: if we're talking about the status of any individual—man or woman—within a society, we're talking about every single social dimension. And when I say "every," I don't just mean the public or political stuff, but the private side too. You can't draw conclusions about the nature of society in ancient Greece based on a single quote ripped out of context. As a counterpoint, look at the Feast, where it mentions that Aristotle's teacher was a woman. But the Feast itself is a work that pretty much glorifies pederasty and carries some slightly misogynistic undertones. So how are we supposed to reconcile those two things? Things are always way more complicated than they look on the surface. Historically, we have a decent idea of when and how patriarchy emerged: iron, warriors, cavalry, nomads—those are the links. The ancient Greeks were linguistically Indo-European (so, again, iron, warriors, cavalry, nomads) who migrated to the Greek peninsula in several waves. Of course, they didn't just land on empty soil; they either assimilated parts of the local population or enslaved them. The existing cultures were agrarian with strong matriarchal traits (you can see it in the myths). That’s just one slice of the complex Greek story, especially when you factor in the influence from the East.

I'll say it again: you didn't deserve to be mocked. But goldenranger5 definitely does. At first, I just thought she was having a hard time wrapping her head around things, but... she actually admitted there's some weird, secret connection between us. Turns out it's just her being stuck up about me, which isn't my problem, it's hers.

And boldwalker12 decided to use two philosophers as examples who are famously misogynistic. I actually like them quite a bit, though both had incredibly tragic lives—not just because Schopenhauer was depressed and academically sidelined, and Nietzsche suffered and died from progressive paralysis (which is both physical and mental), but because both were also total failures in love.

Honestly, how many misogynistic and misandrist statements can you find on this forum alone? Hundreds upon hundreds. And then what? Some future historian could pick and choose a few of them and use them to claim we live in a patriarchy or a matriarchy.

Apology accepted.

Drew Lee7 said:Quentin Tarantino:

boldwalker12 I can't even begin to process what they just said. Seriously? Is anyone actually buying this? It’s like people just stop thinking the second they open their mouths. Honestly, how does someone even come up with this kind of nonsense? Man, I could've saved myself all that wasted effort if I’d just read this a second sooner. I can't believe I have to deal with this again. Honestly, does anyone else feel like we’re just circling the drain here? Every time someone brings up these "traditional values" arguments, it feels like a step backward. We've been talking about how patriarchy is a social system in which the role of the male as the primary authority figure is central to social organization, and where fathers hold authority over women, but people still act like it's some kind of lost utopia. It isn't. It's just outdated. Why are we even entertaining these regressive ideas in a modern society? It’s like watching a slow-motion train wreck. We should be pushing for progress, not clinging to old-school power structures that clearly don't serve everyone. Does anyone actually think things were better when one group held all the cards? I highly doubt it.

Come on, don't stoop that low. So what if he was out chasing skirts? What does that have to do with the actual points he's making? Should I start digging up everyone else's dirty laundry and dragging their private lives into this? Would that be any fun? I don't think so.

Look, if you aren't actually reading what I write, then you really have no business commenting on it. You’re basically admitting you haven't even read my posts, yet you still feel this desperate need to come at me? Honestly, I'm sorry for whatever happened in your life that made you this bitter, but sorry, babe—that's not on me. 🤷 I didn't screw you over. Seriously. ☕

Look, you’re wasting your breath. It’s like trying to say good morning to someone who’s stone-deaf. Honestly, the motivation behind most feminists—and I use that term loosely—is purely personal. That’s exactly why they get so aggressive and why they always act like they're being victimized. I’m with you on pretty much everything, except for the whole divorce situation. That is a massive, incredibly messy issue. There isn't a perfect solution out there, period. At best, you're just looking for the least terrible option available. Is there discrimination involved? Sure, in a way. But I don't think the courts are out to get anyone intentionally; it feels more like they're just taking the path of least resistance. It’s a complicated mess, but regarding everything else? Yeah, you hit the nail on the head.

Let’s be real here... most women act completely un-feminist. And that’s exactly what drives feminists absolutely insane. They go off on these massive rants, blaming thousands of years of tradition like those women are just mindless robots without a single thought of their own. As if they aren't capable of using their own heads—no matter how smart or cunning those heads might actually be.

So, you're actually trying to tell me that there's zero choice left for women today? Give me a break. How "free" he really is—that's a whole different ballgame, and honestly, I think it's more of a philosophical debate than anything else. But seriously, what exactly am I missing here? In what way do women lack choice in this day and age?

Who was attacking whom?

I was merely responding to the portions I actually read. If I didn't have the right to comment—rather than just the right to respond—you would be in a position to counter my points with actual arguments (that is, defeating my logic as effectively as I defeat yours; that isn't "attacking"). Instead, you simply drift from one response to another, resorting to these pathetic, baseless personal insults.

First, I was obsessed with you, and now it has shifted to me supposedly attacking you or even blaming you for things that happened to me. I am genuinely curious to see what other nonsense you'll pull out of your hat next. But shall we return to the matter of logical argumentation?

By the way, what exactly "happened" to me? You seem to possess far more insight into my life than I do, given that I have no complaints. Is this perhaps projection? (That psychological defense mechanism where an individual subconsciously refuses to acknowledge their own traits, thoughts, or emotions by attributing them to others).

I don't have issues in my relationships with the opposite sex; quite the contrary, 😍 my issue lies with a system that strikes me as fundamentally unfair.

There are, believe it or not, people who do not base their entire worldview solely on personal experience, and whose sense of morality isn't reduced to whatever happens to be personally convenient.

Ryan Wood98 said:Patriarchy is a social system in which the role of the male as the primary authority figure is central to social organization, and where fathers hold authority over women, children, and property. It implies the institutions of male rule and privilege, and is dependent on female subordination.

Encyclopedia of Sex and Gender, according to Wikipedia.

I suppose I don't see why I should exclude that idea, given that it seems to be a factual reality. 🤷 It appears in several posts within this debate, and I think it stems from the premise that we live in a patriarchal society—that is, a society managed by men, which would imply that those same men are responsible for the flaws inherent in that society.

"Primary" does not mean "absolute." I fail to see why this definition doesn't apply to the current reality (in practice, not just in theory). If a single (1) situation arises where men lose control—one that certainly doesn't benefit all women, but only women in very specific circumstances—and we immediately declare patriarchy dismantled? In three-quarters of the country, what are we doing? Just celebrating?

Ryan Wood98 said:Patriarchy is a social system in which the role of the male as the primary authority figure is central to social organization, and where fathers hold authority over women, children, and property. It implies the institutions of male rule and privilege, and is dependent on female subordination.

Encyclopedia of Sex and Gender, according to Wikipedia.

I suppose I don't see why I should exclude that idea, given that it seems to be a factual reality. 🤷 It appears in several posts within this debate, and I think it stems from the premise that we live in a patriarchal society—that is, a society managed by men, which would imply that those same men are responsible for the flaws inherent in that society.

As for what can be gleaned from various posts, that remains debatable. When it comes to societal conditions, responsibility lies with everyone who lives within it and possesses any influence greater than zero. In a democracy, that means anyone with the right to vote. That certainly doesn't exclude women.

Drew Lee7 said:Oh, wow, looks like someone's making clones now. 😉

Since we're in the psychology section, I assume you've at least heard of projection. It's this fascinating little trick where the human brain convinces itself that it isn't responsible for anything, so it just points the finger at someone else instead. Yeah. Exactly.

You think you're funny.

copperharbor172 said:Why bother with a book? Honestly, just look at the statements made by those famous feminist leaders from the 60s until now. Or better yet, just check their marital status—that’ll tell you everything you need to know. They're either lesbians or have never even been close to a guy, which makes their whole perspective pretty irrelevant. Feminism is basically like the political parties here in the States... Their platform is always something like, "We're going to create jobs and hire 200,000 new people over the next five years."

The reality? Unemployment hits record highs, and the economy ends up looted and completely gutted.

At that point, you can just let someone like Sanders tell you, "How can you judge us when you don't understand the nuances? Just read our manifesto and then you'll see."

Look, ladies, no offense, but I've dealt with way too many irritating, rude, and aggressive feminists who seem to be fueled entirely by pure hatred for men. Even when you listen to the speeches and watch the behavior of the "great" award-winning activists, it doesn't change the vibe. I don't think I need any literature to explain it to me; I've experienced the whole thing firsthand.😉

P.S

And please, don't go thinking you "fought" for women's rights. You didn't. You got them from the men you were asking for help in the first place, backed by massive lobbying efforts after tens of millions of men died in the World Wars. I'm not saying I'm not glad you have most of the same rights as men—you definitely do, and that's what matters—but let's be real: you aren't quite as "tough" as you pretend to be. If men had been forced to lie in freezing water from birth until death, things would look a lot different...☕

Wait a second, we "fought" for this? Bullshit. Women aren't actually that powerful, because if they were, they would be much more influential.

Honestly, those women can be such absolute vultures. Especially Kimberley Conrad—she wouldn't give Hefner the divorce he needed, so the poor guy had to find solace with those twenty-year-old twins, Shannon and her sister, just so he could finally pull off marrying 24-year-old Crystal Harris.

All this drama just gets me in the mood for some opera again—I mean, the whole situation is laid out in such a black-and-white, operatic way, it’s almost theatrical. It makes me wonder if the Commendatore might actually show up at Hefner's wedding banquet. "Don Giovanni, te co m'invitasti," you know? 😬

Man, back in the day, male womanizers actually knew how to go down to hell with their sins intact, just like they were supposed to! But now? Now they all pretend to be saints, while calling women names because they won't give them what they want... honestly, they're all just pushovers and total losers.😠😁

It’s not like women are villains and men are saints... honestly, women are pretty much incredible and wonderful right up until they hit about 25... that’s when things start going downhill. But men? Men stay exactly the same from the time they're thirteen until the day they die.

Jeffrey Rivera2 said:You think you're funny.

Wait a second, we "fought" for this? Bullshit. Women aren't actually that powerful, because if they were, they would be much more influential.

Don't go like that... p**** is incredibly powerful. Granted, it works best when it's paired with a great body.😁 For what it's worth... what man has ever achieved anything significant using just his dick?