Women are villains, men are saints

boldwalker12 said:That’s just not how it works. People who discriminate against women are the exact same crowd pushing hate against the LGBTQ+ community, Black Americans, or anyone else who doesn't fit their narrow little worldview. And honestly? There are way more of them than you'd think. Not everyone is out there shouting their bigotry from the rooftops, either—sometimes you really have to read between the lines to see what they're actually thinking. It genuinely blows my mind how many people who act all "progressive" and "chill" on the surface are actually harboring these deep-seated sexist views the second you start digging. In my entire life, I’ve literally only met two guys who didn't have some major issue with feminism: one was gay, and the other was just... fine. That's it. That's the whole list. 😁 Most people operate on this "fine, whatever" logic—like, sure, they’ll accept some things, but man, they take it way too far. The absolute worst part is when they try to play the victim by claiming they’re being oppressed by actual marginalized groups. Or they start hitting you with those tired personal credentials: "Oh, I’m a great partner to my girlfriend," or "I have plenty of gay friends, Black friends, and Mexican friends, so I can't possibly be a bigot." It’s the same script every single time. Honestly, you can count the truly tolerant people on one hand. I bet a huge chunk of this intolerance is just fueled by how messed up everything feels right now. If we actually lived in a functional society, most people would probably lose their minds over all these different groups. Then again, if we hadn't spent the last 50 years aggressively pushing for equality, the situation for women today would be a total nightmare.

The nineties basically dragged us decades back into the dark ages, and now we’re seeing this weird "traditional values" revival that somehow always translates to domestic violence or people making excuses for it. So, they finally pass one decent, sane law, and half the men in the country start screaming like they're about to be sent to a mass lynch mob. Why? Look, every single law has loopholes and can be abused—that’s just how things work—but most of these guys are just losing their minds because someone is finally trying to end the Wild West era. I mean, honestly, who actually thinks a man should be allowed to lay hands on his wife in his own house? It's insane. Even in some parts of rural America today, you still hear people telling pregnant women, "Oh, just have a son." We're still stuck in a system where inheritance flows straight into male hands, and we're being governed by a bunch of chauvinists. There are advocates for this outdated sexism on every street corner, and heaven forbid anyone dares to point it out—you'll immediately get labeled as some sort of aggressive militant just for speaking the truth.

I recently hit a wall with some truly mind-blowing news: apparently, even when you’re dealing with an "educated intellectual," you still have to sit them down and explain—step by agonizing step—that feminism isn't some grand conspiracy to enslave men or establish a New World Order where we get to settle scores for centuries of historical baggage. But hey, I failed. Naturally, I’ve been branded a man-hater. It’s funny how activists are always dismissed as just a bunch of frustrated old ladies. And honestly? The loudest critics are often the women who swear feminism has done nothing but dump a pile of crap into their lives. They act like they were better off back in the day when they could just sit around and knit all day, but now they’re expected to crochet *and* hold down a career. They completely miss the point. It’s not feminism’s fault that they’re stuck in this awkward collision between the leftover scraps of the patriarchy and a movement trying to actually make progress—all while their husbands refuse to lift a finger for housework. No, blame feminism! Or better yet: "Who does she think she is, telling me how to run my own house?!" Yeah, sure. The irony is thick. These same women wouldn't dream of burning their college diplomas or quitting their jobs, yet they love to tear down the very movements trying to expand their horizons. Then you’ve got the ones who insist that a woman's worst enemy is just another woman. It's a circus, really.

Then you’ve got the people who think feminists look down on stay-at-home moms. They completely miss the point—it was actually those very same women who fought to make sure you have the actual freedom to choose. Whether you want to be a homemaker or an architect, that choice exists because of them. Most people just don't get it. Honestly, it would be such a relief if this was just some uneducated minority, but it's definitely not. I could probably count on one hand the number of people who wouldn't absolutely lose their minds at me for saying this right now.

boldwalker12 said:I honestly don't see how awarding custody to mothers clashes with patriarchy. It's pretty clear that a woman's primary role—and ideally her *only* one—is motherhood. They brainwash us with those "declining birth rate" headlines just to remind us where a woman belongs, which by extension dictates where children belong. Also, it was only super recently that we started actually punishing those deadbeat dads who refuse to pay support. Generally speaking, the amounts most guys shell out for their kids are straight-up pathetic. And it's equally shameful how they treat kids from previous relationships, to the point where an ex-partner often ends up becoming an ex-parent too. Honestly, I’m genuinely shocked whenever I run into a good, dedicated father who doesn't patronize his kid or neglect them—someone who can actually change a diaper and deal with a kid screaming in the middle of the night instead of just being some decorative figure sitting in front of the TV acting like a big authority. It sounds ridiculous, but I automatically give those guys a gold star. And it's sad, because that shouldn't be a "plus"; it should be the bare minimum. There are way more irresponsible fathers than there are irresponsible mothers.

In a country that actively pushes the idea of women as housewives and mothers, talking about specific child support amounts is kind of a joke, considering most women don't even leave their husbands because they lack the financial means to do so. When women apply for jobs, they're still judged based on their plans for a private life, potential pregnancies, and so on. They’re still facing an insane amount of sexism. And all those ideas about "safe houses" or escaping? Those don't exist because those institutions are mostly useless; women could leave if they wanted to, but they can't. It's not true. They simply don't have the money. Plus, men still get hired for responsible positions most of the time; if an employer has to choose between a man and a woman with identical qualifications, they’re picking the guy every single time.
Forget child support and all that nonsense; we aren't in Sweden. Women here are lucky if they even get decent maternity leave and a chance to actually return to work.

Casey Vaughn7 said:Those deadbeat fathers didn't just lose their minds for no reason; it's because of these social media influencers who watch people ruin their lives and families. These women do it because they take the path of least resistance, targeting married men with money instead of single men. Talking about child support is pointless because entry-level wages are pathetic, and in many cases, women use sex as a tool to secure funds, whether for themselves or for their kids. Of course they face sexism when they refuse to engage in sexual relations on a "normal" basis, but you've gone too far with that; sexism has always existed and always will. Everything has a cause and an effect; nothing happens in a vacuum. You just need to look at things from another person's perspective to see how they interpret it. I am not saying you aren't right—there isn't just one objective truth. Truth is subjective for everyone, at least to some degree.

And this nonsense about employment is pure fiction. Aside from the fact that women hold almost all the prestigious positions in this country, earn equal pay, and receive all the sponsorships, while we have nothing left. Feminism is essentially a movement where women want to dictate terms to the world, yet they refuse to admit it so they don't come across as bitter. As far as I can tell, there are plenty of good guys out there struggling without work, so don't lecture me with inaccuracies. In fact, I would agree with that intellectual's assessment that you are just a man-hater—just like any woman over thirty who hasn't had children, for which she is absolutely to blame herself. Period.

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Honestly, talking about child support is a total waste of breath. For starters, entry-level salaries these days are absolute jokes—barely enough to cover rent in most cities, let alone anything else. And if we're being real? In most cases, women just use sex as a tool to get to the money, whether it’s for themselves or under the guise of "providing for the kids." It’s a rigged game.

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It’s honestly no surprise they end up being targeted with sexist nonsense whenever they decide they aren't down for hookups on someone else's terms. Like, sorry we don't want to play your game? Suddenly it's a character flaw. It's such a predictable pattern.

I can't believe I'm actually sitting here typing this out, but here we go. Honestly, I feel like I need a drink just thinking about how ridiculous this whole situation has become. It’s one of those things where you look back and wonder if you were actually hallucinating while it was happening, or if everyone else was just collectively deciding to ignore reality. Anyway, enough of my mid-life crisis rambling. Let's get into it. kaže:
So, you really want to side with that "intellectual" and claim I’m just some man-hater? Typical. It’s the same old script used by every woman over 30 who doesn't have kids—as if being childless is somehow a personal failing or a character flaw. Honestly, if you think that's the case, you're clearly delusional. But hey, blame me if it makes your worldview feel more complete. Period.

I can't really say much more about that without getting way too deep into the weeds, but honestly, I'm just over here trying to make sense of the whole mess. It’s one of those situations where you look at the facts and just want to facepalm. You know what I mean? Anyway, I'll try to dig a little deeper when I have a second to breathe. kaže:
Let’s be real for a second: feminism is basically just a movement where women want to call all the shots and run the whole show, but they won't actually admit that part out loud because then they'd look like the bad guys.

Casey Vaughn7 said:I truly despise participating in threads like this one, but it seems some people are fundamentally incapable of grasping basic psychological principles or the underlying motivations behind human behavior—constantly questioning the "why" without any actual insight.

To be clear, I am not here to defend men; I am simply stating the objective reality of the situation, whereas women often fail to see things clearly because logical deduction appears to be a foreign concept to them.

The core issue stems from the fact that you all constantly meddle in matters where you have no business, making assumptions that lack any grounding in reality, which is precisely why the sexes can never seem to find common ground.

boldwalker12 said:I could've saved myself the massive headache of replying if I'd just read this a second sooner.

Raymond Nguyen3 said:Given how late you're posting, you probably should've just gone to sleep. Or, I don't know, read a book if you couldn't sleep.
And even with that post, I don't really see much point in arguing with him. For his own sake, I really hope he's just using this thread to troll.🤦 If he actually cared about his mental health, he'd probably be pretty worried right now. Being a jerk doesn't really have anything to do with what your zodiac sign is.

Green Man says:
I’ll say it again: you haven't earned my mockery. But Miss goldenranger5 certainly has. Initially, I assumed she just struggled with comprehension, but... she actually admitted there’s some secret connection binding us together. It seems it isn't a lack of intellect, but rather a personal vendetta against me. That is her burden to carry, not mine.

goldenranger5 said:I did read it, but I’m struggling to see how that connects to what I actually said. I’m not disputing the fact that children are often handed to mothers at the expense of fathers simply because they are mothers—regardless of their individual circumstances.

My issue is with treating this trend as some sort of massive win for women. Not every woman fits the mold of "divorced mother," for instance. Some are grandmothers, some are aunts, and some were once those very children themselves.

This isn't a victory for anyone. Legal disputes should be settled based on the specific facts of a case, not just following "standard practice." And let's be clear: this isn't a triumph of the feminist movement. It is, rather, a byproduct of a patriarchal view regarding maternal roles combined with systemic inertia and indifference. Is that clearer? I have a nagging feeling I'm repeating myself, and if I start quoting my own previous posts, we'll have a real problem.

Casey Vaughn7 said:That is exactly how feminism is perceived; women have started being defiant at every turn, and the media just blows every little thing out of proportion.

slymaker9 said:It wasn't until I entered the workforce that I truly realized we are still living under a fraternity-style patriarchy. I have to point out that certain women contribute significantly to this dynamic, and frankly, it infuriates me. Most of the discrimination I’ve faced has actually come from other women; they judged me far more harshly than they ever would a man, working perversely to keep me in a subordinate position. It is clear that many women are actively undermining the push for true equality.
Men use crude, sexualized remarks to maintain their status through sheer tribalism, but I highly doubt any man has ever actually stepped down from his throne voluntarily. At the same time, women can be toxic toward one another—especially when you see older women undermining younger ones, or high school girls tearing down college students.

Here’s an example regarding Christmas Eve: My colleague mentioned she would call that coworker just to wish him a Merry Christmas, but personally, I think he should be the one calling me since I'm a woman.
I mean, seriously? Is he a coworker or are you two just flirting? It doesn't matter who is male or female in the professional world—it’s about showing respect. You should be wishing people a Merry Christmas regardless of gender.
I tried being a bit more tactful with her, but she just ended up calling me names.
This is simply idiotic behavior. It’s as if women are treated like passive dolls, supposedly incapable of wishing someone a Merry Christmas just because they have a vagina.

Men aren't saints, and they certainly work to maintain their privileged status as a gender. However, women are just as much to blame for enabling this system. In principle, they facilitate the very hierarchy they complain about, and the moment a woman dares to claim the same rights as a man, she is instantly branded a lazy slut by the collective.

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The current socio-psychological climate is driving a specific trend: women who possess conventional attractiveness often leverage their looks and sexuality to climb the corporate ladder. Personally, I’d much rather play a bit coy and give them a few fluttering eyelashes whenever the opportunity arises than deal with the grind of competing against some bitter, resentful woman. Then, a man steps in to challenge that woman, and she immediately backs down because she can't handle the confrontation once a man intervenes. Suddenly, her arguments carry weight simply because a man is the one presenting them.
It’s "he," not "she."
Anyone who takes advantage of the current situation is technically justified. It might not be particularly honorable, but that’s just how it goes. Everyone fights with the tools they have available.
I used to condemn this, but after seeing the lengths people will go to and the dirty tactics they employ, I realize my previous stance was completely naive.

It’s all the same thing. It’s truly a tragedy.It applies to both women and men.

Casey Vaughn7 said:That is exactly how feminism is perceived; women have started being defiant at every turn, and the media just blows every little thing out of proportion.

slymaker9 said:Any concept of discrimination can be weaponized. Racism and nationalism can easily be used as covers for phenomena that have nothing to do with actual discrimination. However, one must recognize that true discrimination doesn't even exist; if it did, no one could exploit that fact.

Feminism is simply a fight against discrimination, plain and simple.👍

Casey Vaughn7 said:Are you suggesting I’m somehow lacking in sanity simply because I authored a post expressing my perspective? Am I a villain just for having an opinion?

Do you honestly believe you're some kind of saint?

As for the ex-Anais situation, I never claimed that everyone falls into that category, though such lowlifes certainly exist. There are people out there who have children with multiple women, and there are women who maintain relationships solely to extract money—whether that motivation stems from providing for their children or pure self-interest. Even "gold diggers" are mothers, regardless of their motives. If you would bother to actually read what I wrote, you'd realize I wasn't claiming to act this way myself; I was merely pointing out that certain types of individuals exist within our society. Do you understand?

The fact that you resort to insults following my post reveals your true character. You judge others, yet you should look inward before criticizing someone else, especially when you refuse to respect differing viewpoints—a practice that seems all too common these days.

Moreover, this is a discussion about psychology, which means psychology. The problem is that most people only know how to pass judgment; nobody seems capable of identifying the underlying reasons why these behaviors occur. To be clear, I never stated that I was justifying sexism; I simply outlined several brief points explaining why these patterns manifest, points which you both clearly failed to grasp.

It wouldn't be the worst thing if people showed a modicum of respect for different perspectives instead of being so narrow-minded. Do you two follow me? Every human being possesses both good and evil within them; that is precisely why we aren't living in paradise, but on this planet.

I have a profound distaste for those who present themselves as angels while acting like absolute scum behind the scenes.

So, if you have managed to comprehend my point: I was not writing about myself, but rather analyzing the thought processes of others, which is exactly what psychology is intended for.

Ryan Wood98 said:So, I suppose this is an instance of a woman who does NOT actually want gender equality.

Perhaps she wants all the same rights and opportunities that men have, but she also wants to retain all those extra advantages that come from the current "unequal" status quo.

It is something a previous commenter touched upon—it seems to be part of human nature to crave as much power as possible. Not necessarily equal power, but just... more.

A completely different question regarding feminism could be raised here: do feminists even have a legitimate right to represent the interests of the entire female population?

Can feminists advocate for equality on behalf of women (assuming for a moment that they truly are advocating for equality) if most women DO NOT want equality? What if they prefer a "Prince Charming" type who opens doors for them, provides for them, and comes home saying, "Honey, I'm home," while they live out the life of a housewife from an American TV sitcom?

Do we actually have any data that would allow us to claim we know what the female population wants, and are feminists truly representing those desires?

Ryan Wood98 said:Unfortunately, I suppose that only holds true in theory.

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I find myself unable to concur with this.

I am glad this was put into writing. It clearly illustrates exactly what fuels the backlash against feminism.

In theory, the fight for equality sounds noble enough. In practice, however, we are faced with two distinct phenomena:

It’s hard to ignore the blatant bias against men during divorce proceedings. It feels less like a pursuit of justice and more like a rigged game where the deck is stacked from the start.
There is a certain tendency among some women to link everything—even the most nonsensical grievances—to the concept of patriarchy. If an action is directed at men, they immediately frame it as a systemic issue. They present themselves as victims of a discrimination that simply doesn't exist.

Ryan Wood98 said:I'm afraid I can't agree with that.

However, I am glad this was brought up, because I think the argument itself illustrates exactly why there is such an aversion toward feminism.

In theory, the struggle for equality sounds wonderful. But in practice, I think we see two distinct trends:

- The clear discrimination men face during divorce proceedings.
- A tendency among certain women to link everything—even things that have nothing to do with it—to the patriarchy, simply because those issues are directed at men, thereby portraying themselves as victims of a non-existent discrimination.

To be clear, I agree that there are many situations in our society where women are disadvantaged, and those are issues worth fighting against. However, I think what causes people to turn away from feminism are all those OTHER instances where people protest against things that have no actual connection to discrimination or the patriarchy. It's somewhat like the story of the boy who cried wolf.

How am I supposed to take an organization seriously when they view a case like Cyclops vs. Nives Celzijus as gender discrimination? Or when someone blames the patriarchy for the fact that men are often placed at a disadvantage by default during divorce settlements?

By definition, a patriarchy implies Male Power, or greater rights for men over women. Therefore, in a truly patriarchal society, a woman would have no chance at all in a dispute against a man regarding child custody.

We could certainly discuss the stereotyping of gender roles in society, which is amplified by the media and the education system, but I don't think we can call that patriarchy, nor can we attribute that stereotyping to men. In fact, given how much women represent the educational system, perhaps—if anything—that responsibility might actually lie with those women.

Ryan Wood98 The user states:
Patriarchy inherently relies on Male Power, granting men significantly more leverage than women. In such a society, if a man and a woman find themselves at odds over child custody, the woman stands virtually no chance.

Ryan Wood98 The user states:
We could certainly discuss the way gender roles are stereotyped within our society—how they are reinforced by both the media and the public school system—but I refuse to label this phenomenon as "patriarchy," nor will I pin the blame on men. In fact, given that women make up the vast majority of the workforce in our education system, if anyone is responsible for perpetuating these stereotypes, it would arguably be those women.

slymaker9 said:It wasn't until I entered the workforce that I truly realized we are still living under a fraternity-style patriarchy. I have to point out that certain women contribute significantly to this dynamic, and frankly, it infuriates me. Most of the discrimination I’ve faced has actually come from other women; they judged me far more harshly than they ever would a man, working perversely to keep me in a subordinate position. It is clear that many women are actively undermining the push for true equality.
Men use crude, sexualized remarks to maintain their status through sheer tribalism, but I highly doubt any man has ever actually stepped down from his throne voluntarily. At the same time, women can be toxic toward one another—especially when you see older women undermining younger ones, or high school girls tearing down college students.

Here’s an example regarding Christmas Eve: My colleague mentioned she would call that coworker just to wish him a Merry Christmas, but personally, I think he should be the one calling me since I'm a woman.
I mean, seriously? Is he a coworker or are you two just flirting? It doesn't matter who is male or female in the professional world—it’s about showing respect. You should be wishing people a Merry Christmas regardless of gender.
I tried being a bit more tactful with her, but she just ended up calling me names.
This is simply idiotic behavior. It’s as if women are treated like passive dolls, supposedly incapable of wishing someone a Merry Christmas just because they have a vagina.

Men aren't saints, and they certainly work to maintain their privileged status as a gender. However, women are just as much to blame for enabling this system. In principle, they facilitate the very hierarchy they complain about, and the moment a woman dares to claim the same rights as a man, she is instantly branded a lazy slut by the collective.

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The current socio-psychological climate is driving a specific trend: women who possess conventional attractiveness often leverage their looks and sexuality to climb the corporate ladder. Personally, I’d much rather play a bit coy and give them a few fluttering eyelashes whenever the opportunity arises than deal with the grind of competing against some bitter, resentful woman. Then, a man steps in to challenge that woman, and she immediately backs down because she can't handle the confrontation once a man intervenes. Suddenly, her arguments carry weight simply because a man is the one presenting them.
It’s "he," not "she."
Anyone who takes advantage of the current situation is technically justified. It might not be particularly honorable, but that’s just how it goes. Everyone fights with the tools they have available.
I used to condemn this, but after seeing the lengths people will go to and the dirty tactics they employ, I realize my previous stance was completely naive.

It’s all the same thing. It’s truly a tragedy.It applies to both women and men.

Raymond Nguyen3 said:Look, even though I’m a guy who occasionally enjoys pointing out certain female flaws, I just can't help but agree with your post. I really can't.
It’s got absolutely nothing to do with feminism, and honestly, it’s pretty depressing how right you are.
The way women are represented in politics and sitting in those high-level director chairs... honestly, I guess it’s just the ultimate proof of how little this male-dominated society actually values women. It's pretty glaring when you really look at it.