Internet vs. Prayer: The spiritual value of WikiLeaks

WikiLeaks really demonstrated just how much power the internet actually holds. This new kind of deity seems to instantly grant wishes to anyone who thinks they can crash an enemy's website through sheer volume of digital prayers—or, you know, DDoS attacks. I guess you don't even have to wait for hell to open up beneath your feet anymore, because you can trigger a total meltdown right here, right now. Maybe paradise will descend upon Earth soon, too? The Catholic Church is probably staying quiet about all this, likely hoping nothing incriminating leaks out about them... though I suspect there's plenty of juicy stuff to find regarding Deus Opus. That is, if the followers there would ever actually dare to rat out their own organization. Honestly, the discipline there seems even more intense than what you'd find at the CIA or al-Qaeda. Looking at something like Scientology, it wouldn't be that hard to take down the Vatican's site or even the Pope's own page if enough people were motivated to do it. Though, I suppose I don't really believe Mary would perform a miracle to keep a website online just because the Holy Server lacks sufficient scalability.

It makes me wonder... is the Holy Spirit working through the internet, or has Satan taken over? Or perhaps we're looking at an entirely new god altogether. I guess it comes down to how you prefer to pray. Do you offer up your server to hacktivists, or do you stick to praying to God, or using a mantra, or some other way? It makes me think that maybe the Supreme Being has some kind of server of His own?

The Internet or prayer? Is the Holy Spirit operating through fiber optics now? Even Mary is stepping in to intervene... A world server? I suppose none of this actually makes any sense at all.
Is the humor section of this forum perhaps a bit too low-brow?

Are you kidding me? I mean, I don't know if you actually don't realize this, or if you're just pretending not to, but the late Pope John Paul II believed that the Virgin Mary herself was responsible for nudging that assassin's bullet aside, just so he could live to see godless communism fall. He also felt—which, granted, is a bit different from what a lot of folks in the KC believe—that the Internet is actually a useful tool for preaching and spreading Christian truths. I suppose if you have even a basic understanding of Christian spirituality, it shouldn't be a question whether the Holy Spirit can work through everything, including the Internet. The real question, I guess, is whether it’s actually the Spirit working through the web right now, or something else entirely... most hacktivists are atheists, I assume, so it makes me wonder if the Holy Spirit is turning against state institutions, or maybe even against the Church itself if it has become godless, or if perhaps Satan is using the Internet to undermine the Spirit and the Western institutions that brought down godless communism.

Or maybe the Internet is just some new, unknown force. Like a divinity of technology. 😁
And yeah, the Holy See server is definitely the holy server, and I don't think that's even a joke, much like this whole business with websites being taken down all over the world.

It’s a safe bet that both the Holy Spirit and the devil are working through the internet; it all just depends on what you're open to receiving. 😁

I mean, I get what you're saying, but I can't help but wonder why the Catholic Church is staying so quiet about these recent WikiLeaks leaks and that whole Operation Payback situation. It seems to me that groups like ABBA have a duty to be active in the world, acting as messengers of the Holy Spirit within secular society. I don't really doubt which side they'll take, honestly, especially since they operate so discreetly and are such unwavering theists. I highly doubt they'd ever back Assange and those atheist anarchists who are pushing for total transparency across the board—you know, targeting governments, intelligence agencies, banks, and all those major power centers. And if they go after those, it logically follows they'd eventually target spiritual power centers too... like ABBA and the Catholic Church. So, I guess the question is, should we be looking out for some kind of strike from ABBA activists against the WikiLeaks servers? Or maybe other secretive non-state religious or similar organizations might step in too, like the Freemasons, or even the Rosicrucians? 😉

I’m less concerned with KC or Opus Dei than I am with the white Protestant trash in America, who somehow find it within their "Christian spirit" to call for the lynching and murder of Assange and his associates. It is truly fascinating how a mob of idiots can claim inspiration from Jesus just to justify taking a life. Actually, I'm joking—it isn't quite that fascinating, though it would certainly be useful for medical research.

Well, yeah, it’s just like the Inquisition, really. Because if you’re a believer, I guess you just pray to God to grant someone some common sense, and if you happen to be right, then maybe they'll see the light. But if they don't... well, then there's this possibility that perhaps you aren't actually right, or maybe whatever it is you believe just doesn't have the power to turn people toward the truth. Though, I suppose there are those old-fashioned ways too—you know, like mob justice or even murder. It’s honestly quite sick.

The Internet or prayer? That's the big question right now ☕
It's like comparing apples to oranges 😂

mistymoose said:The Internet or prayer? That's the big question right now ☕
It's like comparing apples to oranges 😂

Well, alright then, if that's how you want to look at it: do you prefer an axe to the head or a prayer? The thing is, if you actually go swinging an axe, you're going to end up with the police breathing down your neck, and probably facing some jail time right after. But when you're taking down websites, you don't get sent to prison, even though you're still causing damage to the people you think are responsible for all the mess in the world. I guess the point is that this kind of thing is a form of violence that can't really be punished, yet it acts as a response to the violence being inflicted upon us by powerful institutions—you know, the big banks, insurance companies, massive corporations, intelligence agencies, and the diplomacy of the USA and other nations...

dustyskipper3 said:Well, alright then, if that's how you want to look at it: do you prefer an axe to the head or a prayer? The thing is, if you actually go swinging an axe, you're going to end up with the police breathing down your neck, and probably facing some jail time right after. But when you're taking down websites, you don't get sent to prison, even though you're still causing damage to the people you think are responsible for all the mess in the world. I guess the point is that this kind of thing is a form of violence that can't really be punished, yet it acts as a response to the violence being inflicted upon us by powerful institutions—you know, the big banks, insurance companies, massive corporations, intelligence agencies, and the diplomacy of the USA and other nations...

And what does any of that have to do with prayer?

It seems quite clear to me—even if an internet DDoS attack and prayer are as different as apples and oranges—that online hacktivists build their whole spirituality on transparency and this immediate need for gratification. They just react to whatever stimulus bothers or attracts them right then and there. On the other hand, I guess you could say the spirituality found in prayer is based on something entirely non-transparent (God works in mysterious ways, after all), a belief in transcendental help, and through that, one develops emotional intelligence or the capacity to delay their own desires. Because, regardless of whether (and when) a prayer is actually answered, the person praying is learning how to wait and be patient, which is pretty different from a connected hacktivist looking for instant results.

Maybe we could put together a little chart, where one axis covers transparency and the other deals with the ability to delay gratification:

.......................................transparent...........non-transparent
delaying desire...................government/administration............prayer/faith
immediate gratification....wiki hacktivism..........crime

Well, there it is. You see how it looks? Even apples and oranges can be broken down into more elemental traits, making them look a bit more alike than they seem at first.

It still seems to have absolutely nothing to do with prayer. I suppose one has to wonder if people even grasp what prayer actually represents.
The internet is essentially just another medium, much like a newspaper or a magazine. A true believer won't find themselves any more or less devout simply because they have access to the web or don't. Similarly, I don't really believe the internet has been responsible for drawing a significant number of atheists toward faith. If someone becomes religious solely due to information they stumbled upon online, I guess you could say they are somewhat spiritually adrift; in all likelihood, my grandmother could have led them to the same faith without any digital assistance at all.

If you really want my take on this... the internet isn't going to vanish in 2012 because of some Mayan calendar nonsense or any other superstition. It’s going to happen because things are actually going to go south. Once they start enforcing mandatory microchipping, people won't have a way to spread the word about refusing it.
I recall a high-level figure—one of those elite power players, maybe someone from the Rockefeller family—once remarked:
"The internet represents a massive threat." I can't give you his exact quote, but that was essentially the sentiment. Information travels far too quickly online. Do you honestly believe that Wall Street banks, the CIA, or the Vatican would ever publish articles that undermine their own interests in a traditional newspaper?
Personally, I view the internet as a net positive. While there is certainly a dark side to it, it provides a platform that makes it much harder for those in power to suppress information that doesn't suit their agenda.

Arthur White37 said:If you really want my take on this... the internet isn't going to vanish in 2012 because of some Mayan calendar nonsense or any other superstition. It’s going to happen because things are actually going to go south. Once they start enforcing mandatory microchipping, people won't have a way to spread the word about refusing it.
I recall a high-level figure—one of those elite power players, maybe someone from the Rockefeller family—once remarked:
"The internet represents a massive threat." I can't give you his exact quote, but that was essentially the sentiment. Information travels far too quickly online. Do you honestly believe that Wall Street banks, the CIA, or the Vatican would ever publish articles that undermine their own interests in a traditional newspaper?
Personally, I view the internet as a net positive. While there is certainly a dark side to it, it provides a platform that makes it much harder for those in power to suppress information that doesn't suit their agenda.

That's nonsense, though you sound a bit like a religious fanatic. The internet is essentially a massive marketplace where supply meets demand—a hub for B2B and B2C transactions. As long as there is profit to be made, the internet isn't going anywhere. Besides, bad things happen regardless of what the calendar says.

It seems that, lately, people have been predicting increasingly absurd things.

Arthur White37 said:If you really want my take on this... the internet isn't going to vanish in 2012 because of some Mayan calendar nonsense or any other superstition. It’s going to happen because things are actually going to go south. Once they start enforcing mandatory microchipping, people won't have a way to spread the word about refusing it.
I recall a high-level figure—one of those elite power players, maybe someone from the Rockefeller family—once remarked:
"The internet represents a massive threat." I can't give you his exact quote, but that was essentially the sentiment. Information travels far too quickly online. Do you honestly believe that Wall Street banks, the CIA, or the Vatican would ever publish articles that undermine their own interests in a traditional newspaper?
Personally, I view the internet as a net positive. While there is certainly a dark side to it, it provides a platform that makes it much harder for those in power to suppress information that doesn't suit their agenda.

The internet is a major threat... well, at least for Rockefeller, because these shadow groups are trying to run their projects in secret. The internet is this tool that spreads both info and misinformation incredibly fast, and it allows leaks like WikiLeaks to happen. That poses a potentially dangerous risk to the secrecy of these massive global agendas, since even some kid with decent hacking skills could become a real threat.

From Tomislav Budak's page (he pulled this from somewhere too):

Major banking families are definitely sitting right at the top of that ruling pyramid we see on the dollar bill, mostly because they serve as the direct mechanism for exercising that kind of power. They pull the strings in a way that Mayer Amschel Rothschild, the founder of the banking empire belonging to the world's leading banking family, expressed so perfectly:

"Give me control over a nation's money and I won't care who makes the laws!"

And honestly, that control was seized a long time ago. Rothschild's wife, Gutle Schnapper, expressed the influence of her sons—the founders of banking houses in five of the biggest economic hubs in the world—even more clearly on her deathbed back in 1849, saying:

"If my sons hadn't wanted wars, there wouldn't have been any!"

***

"Things don't just happen by themselves. Events are orchestrated."

John F. Kennedy,
the American President

***

"Some claim that we are part of a secret conspiracy working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing me and my family as 'internationalists' and conspirators, along with others around the world, with the goal of building a more integrated global political and economic structure—a unified world, if you will. If that is the accusation, then I am guilty and proud of it."

David Rockefeller,
the American banker in his book Memoirs, p. 405.

***

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time magazine, and other major publications whose editors attended our meetings and honored their pledges of discretion for nearly forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been exposed to the glare of publicity all those years. But the world is now much more sophisticated and ready to march toward a world government."

David Rockefeller,
while addressing the Trilateral Commission in June 1991.

***

"I used to laugh sweetly at all of that (conspiracy theories, etc.) until I met people from the shadows myself. The smile froze on my face. Those people are silent, and you will never see them in the newspapers or on television."

Nina Mimica,
an American director and writer,
in an interview with the USA Today, 8/11/2008.

And the internet (WikiLeaks and such) is definitely a threat to projects like that.

mistyotter35 said:It still seems to have absolutely nothing to do with prayer. I suppose one has to wonder if people even grasp what prayer actually represents.
The internet is essentially just another medium, much like a newspaper or a magazine. A true believer won't find themselves any more or less devout simply because they have access to the web or don't. Similarly, I don't really believe the internet has been responsible for drawing a significant number of atheists toward faith. If someone becomes religious solely due to information they stumbled upon online, I guess you could say they are somewhat spiritually adrift; in all likelihood, my grandmother could have led them to the same faith without any digital assistance at all.

Prayer is perhaps the final line of defense for the common man against various Rockefellers, the Trilateral Commission, and those shadowy figures operating behind the scenes. Their project seems to involve creating some kind of globally structured pyramidal state—a new world order, I guess. This project requires them to delay their own gratification, so it’s likely led by people with quite high emotional intelligence, or perhaps they simply lack emotion entirely. On the other hand, this whole scheme is non-transparent, whereas a government is supposed to function democratically and openly. In that sense, it feels similar to organized crime, and these "people in the shadows" often seem to use underworld elements when they need to get dirty work done. This way, we have something non-transparent influencing something that is meant to be transparent, which makes us feel like the state is oppressing us through its laws and policies, even though we, as citizens, should have decisive influence over them rather than these lobbies from the Darkness. Since the government clearly isn't succeeding in curbing these opaque influences through democratic means, we see these hacktivists emerging from the shadows too, seeking an immediate response to power centers that also operate from the shadows—essentially trying to wipe their information off the web via DDoS attacks.

But where does prayer fit into all this? Well, I suppose it would be directed toward God Himself, if He exists, asking Him to thwart the plans of these power centers and shadow figures through transcendent—meaning non-transparent and delayed—intervention. From what I've experienced, prayer can't do that. It doesn't seem to affect them. There is that saying, I think, that "God's power does not pray." But it might affect those people who aren't consumed by power and who still hold onto small grains of goodness. Those types of people still hold real power in the world simply through their sheer numbers, though they aren't organized like hacktivists or shadow power centers. The question is, how do you reach these people and turn them toward your cause? And, of course, is it even possible today to reach them without the internet or money, or without the mediation of the media and material resources? Of course, that assumes you actually believe in the power of prayer and that divine providence works in this world, since there isn't any solid proof that it does or that you will achieve anything through it. Our former President believed in the power of the media and the shadow players, tying his fate to them. Personally, I even prayed and lit a candle at Stone Gate, hoping he and Milan Bandić would just go to hell and lose their power, but it looks like that wouldn't have happened if it weren't for the global financial crisis. So, if we believe in the delayed power of prayer, or providence, then the global economic crisis is the response to the non-transparent actions of various "people in the shadows" who, through their power centers, began trying to enslave the world. That is, of course, not counting that quiet mass of indifferent people—those who never show up to vote, never take out loans, and never even surf the internet, but just sit quietly in their homes thinking their own thoughts about all this nonsense.

dustyskipper3 said:Prayer is perhaps the final line of defense for the common man against various Rockefellers, the Trilateral Commission, and those shadowy figures operating behind the scenes. Their project seems to involve creating some kind of globally structured pyramidal state—a new world order, I guess. This project requires them to delay their own gratification, so it’s likely led by people with quite high emotional intelligence, or perhaps they simply lack emotion entirely. On the other hand, this whole scheme is non-transparent, whereas a government is supposed to function democratically and openly. In that sense, it feels similar to organized crime, and these "people in the shadows" often seem to use underworld elements when they need to get dirty work done. This way, we have something non-transparent influencing something that is meant to be transparent, which makes us feel like the state is oppressing us through its laws and policies, even though we, as citizens, should have decisive influence over them rather than these lobbies from the Darkness. Since the government clearly isn't succeeding in curbing these opaque influences through democratic means, we see these hacktivists emerging from the shadows too, seeking an immediate response to power centers that also operate from the shadows—essentially trying to wipe their information off the web via DDoS attacks.

But where does prayer fit into all this? Well, I suppose it would be directed toward God Himself, if He exists, asking Him to thwart the plans of these power centers and shadow figures through transcendent—meaning non-transparent and delayed—intervention. From what I've experienced, prayer can't do that. It doesn't seem to affect them. There is that saying, I think, that "God's power does not pray." But it might affect those people who aren't consumed by power and who still hold onto small grains of goodness. Those types of people still hold real power in the world simply through their sheer numbers, though they aren't organized like hacktivists or shadow power centers. The question is, how do you reach these people and turn them toward your cause? And, of course, is it even possible today to reach them without the internet or money, or without the mediation of the media and material resources? Of course, that assumes you actually believe in the power of prayer and that divine providence works in this world, since there isn't any solid proof that it does or that you will achieve anything through it. Our former President believed in the power of the media and the shadow players, tying his fate to them. Personally, I even prayed and lit a candle at Stone Gate, hoping he and Milan Bandić would just go to hell and lose their power, but it looks like that wouldn't have happened if it weren't for the global financial crisis. So, if we believe in the delayed power of prayer, or providence, then the global economic crisis is the response to the non-transparent actions of various "people in the shadows" who, through their power centers, began trying to enslave the world. That is, of course, not counting that quiet mass of indifferent people—those who never show up to vote, never take out loans, and never even surf the internet, but just sit quietly in their homes thinking their own thoughts about all this nonsense.

There is a school of thought suggesting that there are people who remain entirely off the radar, influencing the world solely through the strength of their thoughts from within their private sanctuaries. Some argue there aren't enough of these positive souls to overcome the forces of Darkness and prevent everything from going to hell... Agartha is often mentioned in this context—not as a physical location, but as the spiritual epicenter of such people. René Guénon explores similar themes in his book King of the World, as does Hamvas in his little book Wonderful Journey of Joachim Olbrin, when discussing the gardener from the South... Furthermore, there have been studies suggesting that when larger groups of people pray or meditate together, it actually influences the course of events. So, I do believe it's possible to influence reality in that way...

It’s interesting... I know larger groups have meditated for peace here in the States too. But I guess I’m not entirely sure if prayer—you know, addressing some transcendental being, sometimes even with a specific request in mind—can really be equated to meditation. Meditation doesn't involve any kind of address or asking for things; it's just this general longing for harmony and peace, I suppose. I just know the Roman Catholic Church isn't exactly fond of meditation or yoga; to them, those kinds of things are practically devilry. Yet, what they do themselves and who they choose to back is apparently perfectly fine in their eyes. There was even a claim that Vatican City once stated: "If Bill Clinton is a thief, then so is Pope Benedict XVI".😲😲😲

I'm also curious about the actual meaning behind the word "synarchy" used in this piece regarding Agartha.

Quote : When The Anarchy which exists in Our World is replaced by The Synarchy

Is what they are doing with WikiLeaks an introduction to anarchy, or is it leading toward synarchy, which some people interpret as a cryptocracy—you know, that rule by people operating from the shadows?

N'Dug, if a human being wants to actually digest what you're saying, they’d better have some paper and a pen handy next to their computer to start mapping out these ideas. 🙂

It implies there really is God, and there is the Holy Spirit (manifested through the Internet) 🙂

which allows us to distinguish between two distinct, yet interconnected, hubs of power:
a) the center of power found in prayer—the everyday person, whether they're online or not, is woven into this through prayer, where hacktivists act as nothing more than its small light, and
b) the shadow center of power—which encompasses everything else.

If we take a moment to reflect—recalling how we might have personally prayed and lit a candle at Stone Gate during a global crisis—we can see how intelligent emotional intuition works to manifest a desire. That very act of prayer serves as a force against those opaque, dark forces of power. In fact, the political scandals involving figures like Ivo Sanders are just textbook examples of a transparent process of wishing for paradise; the unconditional love shown toward a former Prime Minister and his associates essentially grants them the time needed to repent and eventually return what was embezzled (though that might take a thousand years). It also gives the media a chance to repent and stop serving opacity, finally fulfilling their true purpose: being transparent and joining the same network as WikiLeaks on the Internet.