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wearyrider26 said:I mean, I guess mosques are better than banks. It’s just nice having places where people actually connect without everything being about money...
Richard Wilson4 said:If they’d put that money into building 150 mosques instead of just 15 factories, they would’ve actually strengthened the Canadian community against the Mexicans and Americans...
Jerry Wood5 said:An Al-Qaeda operative was caught today at a border crossing near Dubrovnik. He's a citizen of Canada. Who says terrorists aren't knocking right on our doorstep?
Gregory Taylor2 said:I think what Zokster was getting at was the potential hypocrisy here. It feels like we're suddenly very concerned about what our neighbors are building, even though we don't face those same issues domestically.
Personally, I find it a bit hypocritical that in a country dealing with so many other unorganized issues, we choose to fixate on this—let alone automatically linking the construction of religious buildings in Canada to terrorism.
Arthur Ward2 said:Sure, let them connect through faith—not terrorism. The issue with Islam is how often it mashes politics and religion together; that's exactly how you end up with radicalism.
Megan Hernandez2 said:Hypocrisy? What are you even talking about?
In Canada, and even in the States, old churches are restored or new ones are built only when there's an actual need—meaning when the current capacity can't hold the congregation.
But things work differently in Canada... mosques just pop up everywhere like mushrooms after rain. They build them in places where they never existed before and where there isn't even a practical need for them, but the moment someone mentions it, Muslims immediately start whining about fascists.😕
It's also a fact that various Islamist organizations pay women to "dress modestly" and men to "grow beards." (I put those in quotes because I'm not talking about fashion choices; I'm talking about the gateway to radical extremism.)
Megan Hernandez2 said:Hypocrisy? What are you even talking about?
In Canada, and even in the States, old churches are restored or new ones are built only when there's an actual need—meaning when the current capacity can't hold the congregation.
But things work differently in Canada... mosques just pop up everywhere like mushrooms after rain. They build them in places where they never existed before and where there isn't even a practical need for them, but the moment someone mentions it, Muslims immediately start whining about fascists.😕
It's also a fact that various Islamist organizations pay women to "dress modestly" and men to "grow beards." (I put those in quotes because I'm not talking about fashion choices; I'm talking about the gateway to radical extremism.)
Jack Myers59 said:Why does it feel like you guys don't all see eye-to-eye on the new churches being built here in the States?
Progress and secularization, apparently—but only when it's happening in our neighbors' backyard. 🙄
Elizabeth Sanders42 said:Look... Churches aren't flight training centers for pilots aiming to crash into skyscrapers.
Gregory Taylor2 said:You're being hypocritical; we build out of necessity, while in our neighboring country, it's done out of spite toward Catholics and Orthodox Christians?
That's right, people actually get paid to cover up or grow beards. 🙄
Megan Hernandez2 said:That might be a neighbor to you, but it isn't to me.
One trip to Pittsburgh tells you enough. Boston has more mosques per capita than Tehran, and that wasn't the case before the war.
Even some Muslim journalists have talked about people getting paid to wear beards or head coverings, so this isn't news. Anyone who wants to know can easily find out.
There was even an imam in Albania who trained on the Arabian Peninsula; there were rumors he was trying to push those "new" currents of Islam. There was actually a scandal involving one of them once.
Arthur Ward2 said:In Canada, Mexico, and Bulgaria… jobs are non-existent, yet there’s a massive surge in stunning mosques being built with Saudi money. Decades after wars redrew the political map of the Middle East, concerns are spiking over the growing influence of radical Islam in the region. Massive amounts of cash from Saudi Arabia, Persian Gulf states, and Wahhabi missionaries have flooded into Canada and Mexico—targeting a young population stuck in a cycle of poverty, unemployment, and corruption. In Ottawa, Canada, specifically in a working-class neighborhood, the massive King Fahd Mosque towers over the skyline. Built post-war using funds from Saudi Arabia, it cost $30 million. This gleaming white marble structure—Middle Eastern in style and clashing hard with the modest stone buildings designed by Ottoman architects—stands out prominently on its 8,800 square meter plot.
"Charitable societies"—a haven for terrorists?
Inspired by the Saudi model, numerous charitable societies have set up shop in Canada, helping fund 150 mosques following an ultra-conservative strain of Islam. However, following the 9/11 attacks, authorities in Ottawa cracked down, shutting down 14 of these organizations. Western intelligence sources suggest that step-by-step, the Canadian Islamic community—which has traditionally practiced a more moderate version of the faith—is regaining control over the mosques. Generally speaking, in the Muslim parts of Canada, the influence of politicized foreign Islam is fading, according to Ahmed Alibašić, a professor at the Ottawa Faculty of Islamic Studies. "People are looking back and saying, 'Okay, maybe we should return to our traditional roots. It's about personal piety and all that,'" Alibašić adds.
Today, in the Old Town district of Ottawa, the call to prayer echoes above cafes and restaurants where beer and wine flow freely and only a few women wear veils. Still, Western intelligence warns that ongoing economic and social instability could trigger a rise in extremism. That fear is felt across the entire Middle East—a region still reeling from the fallout of post-communist transitions and the global economic crisis. Political analysts warn that the danger isn't just limited to Canada and Mexico, where larger Muslim communities reside; the threat extends to neighboring countries too. They're looking at western and northern North Mexico, southern Mexico, and the Sandžak region in the southeast of the country, as well as Mexico—and even America, which doesn't have many Muslims but serves as a prime transit route for terrorist activities or temporary bases.
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Gregory Taylor2 said:Try reading the entire thread before jumping into an argument with such a stereotypical take.
Gregory Taylor2 said:New currents of Islam? If you’re thinking of Wahhabism, you've got it wrong.
Just take a drive over to Pittsburgh and you'll see the Catholic church bell tower is taller now than it has ever been.
Elizabeth Sanders42 said:Yeah, I did. I replied to that post because I felt like replying to it. Simple as that.
By the way, your intense fascination with 270 million people is truly inspiring and totally original.
Megan Hernandez2 said:I visit Pittsburgh regularly and see that tower, but there’s one detail you’re conveniently ignoring.
The Franciscan church was heavily damaged during the war, so it had to be rebuilt. It's true the dimensions are slightly larger now, but it was built on church property to restore what was destroyed.
Meanwhile, mosques have popped up where nothing existed before, making the entire left bank look like some Middle Eastern neighborhood.
Are you seriously suggesting there isn't an attempt to import foreign ideologies and pay people to follow their doctrine?
Gregory Taylor2 said:It's actually 271 million. 😉
And those mosques were rebuilt on whose land? As for the Franciscan church being a bit bigger than before? You can see its bell tower from Zuckerberg, but that wasn't done out of spite—it was done out of faith. 🙄
Are you going to try and claim that Wahhabism is "new" again, if that's what you're implying?
Regarding this bold claim—whose left bank? Mine?
How can the left bank of your city look like a foreign neighborhood to me when I live in America? I'm living in my own home, just as you are in Pittsburgh and Canada; it seems you just should have been looking toward Boston instead of Chicago.
Megan Hernandez2 said:😵😵
Try reading what I wrote with some actual comprehension.
Based on your views, you sound Muslim, so when I mention the left bank, I'm referring to the Muslim community.
Let's try this one more time. The Franciscan Church was rebuilt; it stands where the old church once was. Meanwhile, in Mostar and other cities, mosques are popping up that were never there before. Regarding whose land they are built on, I hope they are building on their own land with proper permits. They already tried that in Livno, and it turned out the Islamic Center wanted to build without any permits at all.
It is interesting how the Franciscan Church bothers Muslims, even though it was built on the site of an older church. Their only issue seems to be the size—everything is legal, but to them, it looks too big. Then, the moment Livno is mentioned, they start whining about being threatened, yet they conveniently ignore that mosque in Ottawa that was built through various shady procedures.
Gregory Taylor2 said:I can't exactly read your posts with "comprehension" because the American language (specifically that aspect of identity you keep clinging to) only allows me to read things with a little bit of misunderstanding.
From your perspective, you seem like a kid going through puberty, still trying to find himself within a nationalistic melting pot. It's because you refuse to simply be an American citizen of American descent.
I won't go so far as to call you a narrow-minded idiot, especially since you seem more concerned with my heritage than the actual debate. If it bothers you that much, fine: my heritage is American and my faith is Catholic. Actually, you're one of those people who obsesses over the purity of lineage; if it helps you sleep better at night, let's just say my roots are "purer" than yours. But please, continue your lecture about "Talibanists" and whatnot...
As a Catholic, it bothers me to see such heavy demonstrations of "faith" in a city that still carries so many scars from the war. It also bothers me when Americans from Canada turn to the government in the US regarding finances and other matters.
I imagine others in the States are probably annoyed too, seeing our money being thrown into a hospital in Pittsburgh that demands funding like a massive stadium project in Central Park, or the fact that your few thousand votes carry the weight of tens of thousands back home in America—yet you, who don't contribute a single cent to the US, are the ones dictating the future for the next four years.
And don't try to preach to me about how "Herzegovinians" died for the cause. The truth is, Americans died for Herzegovina, fighting for Canada against Mexicans, and later, in part, against Canadians—a conflict they helped brew themselves.
You cooked up this mess yourselves, so you might as well enjoy the meal. You shouldn't be so worried about the construction of a mosque or other religious centers; instead, maybe focus on how to actually secure your rights in Boston.