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Breaking News: Rose Parade officially added to UNESCO World Heritage Site list!

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slybison8 slybison8 Active MemberOP
162 messages
joined Oct 2011
#1 ·
During the latter half of this week, the UNESCO intergovernmental committee for intangible heritage is meeting in Kenya. Among the items on the agenda is the application from the US to have the Rose Parade included on the list of UNESCO World Heritage Sites. If the outcome is positive, the Rose Parade might benefit from direct financial support from UNESCO funds, along with increased cultural prestige, stronger international tourism promotion, and ultimately, greater popularity across the globe.

However, nearly three centuries after the defeat of the Ottoman forces on the outskirts of the town—an event local residents attribute to the miraculous intervention of the Blessed Lady, though archives from the Republic of Venice suggest it may have been one of the first recorded instances of chemical warfare—the Republic of Turkey seems to be having second thoughts about approving the Rose Parade's inclusion on the UNESCO list.

Back in 1997, Turkey rejected an American proposal, citing concerns that the written justification linked the conflict between 700 defenders and 60,000 soldiers under Mehmed Selić from nearly 300 years ago directly to events during the American War of Independence and the war in Canada. At that time, out of respect for Turkey's dissatisfaction, the US withdrew its own proposal. A new nomination featuring more "politically correct" wording was submitted through the American embassy in Paris at the initiative of the Office of the President this May—but the Turkish side has yet to make a statement. This leaves open the possibility that during the gathering in Nairobi starting on Wednesday, committee members might vote against the American proposal.

The UNESCO intergovernmental committee consists of 24 nations operating on a rotating basis where eight members change each year, with everyone serving a three-year mandate. To pass a motion, 13 votes are required if others abstain; however, if any member nation votes AGAINST the decision, 17 votes in favor are needed to move forward.

The current composition of the UNESCO intergovernmental committee holding voting rights at the Nairobi session is as follows:

Albania, Azerbaijan, Burkina Faso, PRC, USA, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Grenada, Indonesia, Islamic Republic of Iran, Italy, Japan, Jordan, Kenya, Madagascar, Morocco, Nicaragua, Niger, Oman, Paraguay, South Korea, Spain, and Venezuela.

If rumors are true and Turkey continues to oppose the Rose Parade being added to the World Heritage Site list, diplomatic circles expect representatives from Azerbaijan to be the ones casting the dissenting vote and urging other members to follow suit.

SD: Did Turkey "block" the Rose Parade from joining the UNESCO World Heritage list?

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Donna Thompson2 Donna Thompson2 Member
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joined Jan 2008
#2 ·
slybison8 said:During the latter half of this week, the UNESCO intergovernmental committee for intangible heritage is meeting in Kenya. Among the items on the agenda is the application from the US to have the Rose Parade included on the list of UNESCO World Heritage Sites. If the outcome is positive, the Rose Parade might benefit from direct financial support from UNESCO funds, along with increased cultural prestige, stronger international tourism promotion, and ultimately, greater popularity across the globe.

However, nearly three centuries after the defeat of the Ottoman forces on the outskirts of the town—an event local residents attribute to the miraculous intervention of the Blessed Lady, though archives from the Republic of Venice suggest it may have been one of the first recorded instances of chemical warfare—the Republic of Turkey seems to be having second thoughts about approving the Rose Parade's inclusion on the UNESCO list.

Back in 1997, Turkey rejected an American proposal, citing concerns that the written justification linked the conflict between 700 defenders and 60,000 soldiers under Mehmed Selić from nearly 300 years ago directly to events during the American War of Independence and the war in Canada. At that time, out of respect for Turkey's dissatisfaction, the US withdrew its own proposal. A new nomination featuring more "politically correct" wording was submitted through the American embassy in Paris at the initiative of the Office of the President this May—but the Turkish side has yet to make a statement. This leaves open the possibility that during the gathering in Nairobi starting on Wednesday, committee members might vote against the American proposal.

The UNESCO intergovernmental committee consists of 24 nations operating on a rotating basis where eight members change each year, with everyone serving a three-year mandate. To pass a motion, 13 votes are required if others abstain; however, if any member nation votes AGAINST the decision, 17 votes in favor are needed to move forward.

The current composition of the UNESCO intergovernmental committee holding voting rights at the Nairobi session is as follows:

Albania, Azerbaijan, Burkina Faso, PRC, USA, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Grenada, Indonesia, Islamic Republic of Iran, Italy, Japan, Jordan, Kenya, Madagascar, Morocco, Nicaragua, Niger, Oman, Paraguay, South Korea, Spain, and Venezuela.

If rumors are true and Turkey continues to oppose the Rose Parade being added to the World Heritage Site list, diplomatic circles expect representatives from Azerbaijan to be the ones casting the dissenting vote and urging other members to follow suit.

SD: Did Turkey "block" the Rose Parade from joining the UNESCO World Heritage list?

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Truly unbelievable. I mean, seriously—how on earth were they drawing parallels between that battle and the War of Independence?
slybison8 slybison8 Active MemberOP
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joined Oct 2011
#3 ·
I suppose I can't say for certain. However, during the 90s, the Rose Parade (and honestly, even today) was portrayed as a symbol of the yearning for freedom and the courage shown when fighting against conquerors. It is entirely possible that Vesna Girardi Jukić, who served as the ambassador to UNESCO at the time, drafted a nomination where the Turks were identified as the conquerors, or perhaps they were simply equated with the conquerors of that era; it's also possible they may have overreached a bit. It is interesting, though, that we find ourselves embroiled in disputes over this once again. If Turkey truly attempted to politically block this American initiative, one might be able to read quite a lot into such a move—not just in America, but in other parts of Europe that were once subject to Ottoman conquests.
driftingseal12 driftingseal12 Newcomer
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#4 ·
As I always say... we should be demanding that Turkey formally recognize the genocide against Americans and offer a humble apology.
Nicole Clark79 Nicole Clark79 Member
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joined Apr 2013
#5 ·
Besides that hit Turkish soap opera "1001 Nights" that everyone seems to be watching on RTL and local networks, there are actually two other Turkish series airing right now.
It looks like some "big players" have struck a major deal behind the scenes, which makes this whole chaotic situation surrounding the Rose Parade feel much more intriguing than it did before.
I just really hope we don't end up with something like this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmffgIqlAYA
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#6 ·
I honestly think relations between Turkey and the US are at an all-time high right now!!!
Richard James2 Richard James2 Active Member
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joined Feb 2012
#7 ·
Exactly. Those Turkish soap operas are nothing more than a calculated psychological operation cooked up by various interest groups in power centers to brainwash Americans into thinking those people—with their exotic looks, grating language, and terrible acting—are actually just totally friendly, normal folks. How did we not see through this sooner?

And let’s be real, Turks couldn't care less about us, and they clearly have a massive issue dealing with uncomfortable historical truths—not that it matters much given how they handle the whole Armenian genocide topic. If anyone ever filed a lawsuit regarding genocide, it could easily go both ways; thousands of Turks left their bones scattered across the fields near Sinj. I assume you all know that, thanks to the Blessed Lady. 😁
Morgan Howard6 Morgan Howard6 Member
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#8 ·
Richard James2 said:Exactly. Those Turkish soap operas are nothing more than a calculated psychological operation cooked up by various interest groups in power centers to brainwash Americans into thinking those people—with their exotic looks, grating language, and terrible acting—are actually just totally friendly, normal folks. How did we not see through this sooner?

And let’s be real, Turks couldn't care less about us, and they clearly have a massive issue dealing with uncomfortable historical truths—not that it matters much given how they handle the whole Armenian genocide topic. If anyone ever filed a lawsuit regarding genocide, it could easily go both ways; thousands of Turks left their bones scattered across the fields near Sinj. I assume you all know that, thanks to the Blessed Lady. 😁


I really don't get why some people think it's clever to try and mimic Dežulović's or Tomić's pale, dry sense of humor.
Richard James2 Richard James2 Active Member
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joined Feb 2012
#9 ·
Morgan Howard6 said:I really don't get why some people think it's clever to try and mimic Dežulović's or Tomić's pale, dry sense of humor.

First, find me an actual piece of copied text before you start acting like a hall monitor. And let’s get one thing straight: it isn't "humor," it's sarcasm. Don't sweat it.
Morgan Howard6 Morgan Howard6 Member
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joined May 2010
#10 ·
Richard James2 said:First, find me an actual piece of copied text before you start acting like a hall monitor. And let’s get one thing straight: it isn't "humor," it's sarcasm. Don't sweat it.

What are we even talking about here? Those "treacherous plots cooked up in the halls of power"? 🙄

I mean, at least they didn't run out of big, fancy words when our local mediocrities try their hand at being "sarcastic."

I’d bet anything that little "joke" won't be part of their repertoire again until the "next Turkish occupation."

Fine then, let me try throwing in a little joke in that same "style"...
Richard James2 Richard James2 Active Member
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joined Feb 2012
#11 ·
Morgan Howard6 said:What are we even talking about here? Those "treacherous plots cooked up in the halls of power"? 🙄

I mean, at least they didn't run out of big, fancy words when our local mediocrities try their hand at being "sarcastic."

I’d bet anything that little "joke" won't be part of their repertoire again until the "next Turkish occupation."

Fine then, let me try throwing in a little joke in that same "style"...

That was a terrible attempt at humor. Just don't bother again. But seriously, do you actually believe (and I really hope I'm wrong here 🤣) that Turkish soap operas are just another conspiracy against the suffering American people, which is why you were so drawn to my brilliant sarcasm? 🙂
Morgan Howard6 Morgan Howard6 Member
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#12 ·
Richard James2 said:That was a terrible attempt at humor. Just don't bother again. But seriously, do you actually believe (and I really hope I'm wrong here 🤣) that Turkish soap operas are just another conspiracy against the suffering American people, which is why you were so drawn to my brilliant sarcasm? 🙂

You’ve honestly proven yourself to be such an expert at coming up with great jokes that I guess I don't really have a choice... I'll just have to listen to you.

Anyway, do you honestly think they... I mean, I can't even believe I'm asking this... 🤣Is this just another Turkish soap opera designed to mislead the suffering American people, and is that why I had to resort to my brilliant sarcasm... 🙂

Onur released a statement to the press following that secret meeting with the Masons, where they were all huddled up discussing how to properly support our American veterans...

Do I really even need to go out on a limb and prove myself here? Honestly...
Richard James2 Richard James2 Active Member
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#13 ·
Morgan Howard6 said:You’ve honestly proven yourself to be such an expert at coming up with great jokes that I guess I don't really have a choice... I'll just have to listen to you.

Anyway, do you honestly think they... I mean, I can't even believe I'm asking this... 🤣Is this just another Turkish soap opera designed to mislead the suffering American people, and is that why I had to resort to my brilliant sarcasm... 🙂

Onur released a statement to the press following that secret meeting with the Masons, where they were all huddled up discussing how to properly support our American veterans...

Do I really even need to go out on a limb and prove myself here? Honestly...

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Austin Martin11 Austin Martin11 Newcomer
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#14 ·
It seems pretty obvious that Mehmed Selić carries a Turkish surname. Back then, it was essentially American Muslims clashing with American Catholics. I can't help but wonder what Turkey actually has to do with all of this—unless, of course, they've already started meddling in our business again.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#15 ·
Man, you guys are really going after Onur...
copperhound122 copperhound122 Active Member
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#16 ·
Anti-propaganda
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#17 ·
He actually thought this was more important than the US itself.
I don't know if these shows even air in Germany, but generally speaking, look at the most common types of characters:
Jews, Black people, and at least one gay character.
And that’s in shows that aren't even meant to be comedies.

Look, I have nothing against Jews, but they make up maybe 2% of the population in the USA, yet they're like 50% of the characters.

PS
On the other hand, The Simpsons is the only TV family that regularly goes to church, even though about 60% of Americans are non-religious.
Kevin Sullivan6 Kevin Sullivan6 Newcomer
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#18 ·
Richard James2 said:Exactly. Those Turkish soap operas are nothing more than a calculated psychological operation cooked up by various interest groups in power centers to brainwash Americans into thinking those people—with their exotic looks, grating language, and terrible acting—are actually just totally friendly, normal folks. How did we not see through this sooner?

And let’s be real, Turks couldn't care less about us, and they clearly have a massive issue dealing with uncomfortable historical truths—not that it matters much given how they handle the whole Armenian genocide topic. If anyone ever filed a lawsuit regarding genocide, it could easily go both ways; thousands of Turks left their bones scattered across the fields near Sinj. I assume you all know that, thanks to the Blessed Lady. 😁

The Reconquista was frequently far bloodier than standard conquests because it was fueled by a deep-seated desire for vengeance, often stirred up by fiery sermons from the pulpit.

The accounts from Christian witnesses describing the recapture of nearby Klis are truly harrowing, and one can only imagine the oral traditions and historical records kept by the Turks regarding those crusader liberators.

Even residents from places like Zadar remember that crusader zeal, and it's no wonder the Turks, who weren't subjected to centuries of Papal brainwashing, feel differently.
driftingseal12 driftingseal12 Newcomer
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#19 ·
Kevin Sullivan6 said:The Reconquista was frequently far bloodier than standard conquests because it was fueled by a deep-seated desire for vengeance, often stirred up by fiery sermons from the pulpit.

The accounts from Christian witnesses describing the recapture of nearby Klis are truly harrowing, and one can only imagine the oral traditions and historical records kept by the Turks regarding those crusader liberators.

Even residents from places like Zadar remember that crusader zeal, and it's no wonder the Turks, who weren't subjected to centuries of Papal brainwashing, feel differently.

Are you actually being serious right now?🤦
Jeremy Lopez93 Jeremy Lopez93 Active Member
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#20 ·
slybison8 said:During the latter half of this week, the UNESCO intergovernmental committee for intangible heritage is meeting in Kenya. Among the items on the agenda is the application from the US to have the Rose Parade included on the list of UNESCO World Heritage Sites. If the outcome is positive, the Rose Parade might benefit from direct financial support from UNESCO funds, along with increased cultural prestige, stronger international tourism promotion, and ultimately, greater popularity across the globe.

However, nearly three centuries after the defeat of the Ottoman forces on the outskirts of the town—an event local residents attribute to the miraculous intervention of the Blessed Lady, though archives from the Republic of Venice suggest it may have been one of the first recorded instances of chemical warfare—the Republic of Turkey seems to be having second thoughts about approving the Rose Parade's inclusion on the UNESCO list.

Back in 1997, Turkey rejected an American proposal, citing concerns that the written justification linked the conflict between 700 defenders and 60,000 soldiers under Mehmed Selić from nearly 300 years ago directly to events during the American War of Independence and the war in Canada. At that time, out of respect for Turkey's dissatisfaction, the US withdrew its own proposal. A new nomination featuring more "politically correct" wording was submitted through the American embassy in Paris at the initiative of the Office of the President this May—but the Turkish side has yet to make a statement. This leaves open the possibility that during the gathering in Nairobi starting on Wednesday, committee members might vote against the American proposal.

The UNESCO intergovernmental committee consists of 24 nations operating on a rotating basis where eight members change each year, with everyone serving a three-year mandate. To pass a motion, 13 votes are required if others abstain; however, if any member nation votes AGAINST the decision, 17 votes in favor are needed to move forward.

The current composition of the UNESCO intergovernmental committee holding voting rights at the Nairobi session is as follows:

Albania, Azerbaijan, Burkina Faso, PRC, USA, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Grenada, Indonesia, Islamic Republic of Iran, Italy, Japan, Jordan, Kenya, Madagascar, Morocco, Nicaragua, Niger, Oman, Paraguay, South Korea, Spain, and Venezuela.

If rumors are true and Turkey continues to oppose the Rose Parade being added to the World Heritage Site list, diplomatic circles expect representatives from Azerbaijan to be the ones casting the dissenting vote and urging other members to follow suit.

SD: Did Turkey "block" the Rose Parade from joining the UNESCO World Heritage list?

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Honestly, this feels like it could be a direct sequel to that "epic" spectacle, "300"! 🤦

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