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Lisa Morales4 Lisa Morales4 Active Member
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#21 ·
casualtiger2 said:Why would I chase him off? He can't just walk away if his job is to watch over me.
For instance, the whole parking situation works perfectly. When we head downtown, my wife doesn't even dream of driving.
But there's another question bugging me. Does everyone have an Angel Guardian, or is it just a select few?
Do atheists, Buddhists, or Confucians have their own protector too?
And specifically—does this apply to people in places like Chernobyl, Hiroshima, or Bhopal...?


I love that word you used, "protector."🙂

I'm convinced that every single person is born with their own angel—that little ball of glowing energy that follows them around... maybe they call them something else, like Tinkerbell, who knows.🤷
Your angel is essentially a reflection of who you are (in terms of "shape").

As for Hiroshima, Chernobyl, and those other tragedies: guardian angels are personal protectors, not global ones.🙂

Though, I truly believe a day will come when people realize during their lifetime that we are all One, regardless of our differences. We'll learn to unite in a prayer so powerful it could move planets—let alone defend us from an asteroid strike.🥳
Susan Price30 Susan Price30 Regular
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#22 ·
Linda Walker37 said:I have true faith in ANGELS,
My sweet guardian angel,
protect me with your strength
according to God's promise
watch over me, day and night...
.....
Angels are primarily responsible for keeping the soul pure, and the body comes second.
Even when a young person passes away, it doesn't mean their Angel wasn't there; rather, they were rescued and guided into paradise for eternal life before their soul could be stained by sin.

Exactly.
They act as our 🙂shield against everything ugly we need to be kept away from... though angels won't stay by someone's side if they don't want them near (except maybe in extreme life-or-death situations, if even then).
They save people (from dangerous or potentially fatal situations)
not by their own will,but according to God's.
Linda Walker37 Linda Walker37 Member
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#23 ·
Susan Price30 said:Exactly.
They act as our 🙂shield against everything ugly we need to be kept away from... though angels won't stay by someone's side if they don't want them near (except maybe in extreme life-or-death situations, if even then).
They save people (from dangerous or potentially fatal situations)
not by their own will,but according to God's.

People say young children can see angels. Do you believe that?
I know a few firsthand accounts, and honestly, those kids are too young to be making things up. I truly believe it..😉
Anthony Perez9 Anthony Perez9 Regular
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#24 ·
Laura Hernandez52 said:Oh, how hilarious!😲

I believe Angels are the souls of our loved ones who have found peace with God (in Heaven),
watching over us and guiding our way.

I once read about a kid who tumbled from the fifth floor of an apartment building and walked away with nothing more than a few scrapes. In my view, Angels softened his fall.
I truly believe they are God's helpers.

Looks like they dropped the ball on that one.

Quincy:
Some 4-year-old kid took an 18-meter plunge off a building on Copernicus Street this past Saturday. He was fighting for his life at the Mayo Clinic yesterday. Aside from a broken leg, he’s got serious damage to his chest, abdomen, and internal organs. Rough stuff.
Believing in guardian angels is just pure, naive wishful thinking. Where are those little angels when you’re staring at a pediatric oncology ward at Mayo Clinic? Nowhere to be found. Where were they when kids were being suffocated in gas chambers? Taking a long weekend? Even the Pope stayed silent on that. I'm not saying life doesn't have its beautiful moments, but there's plenty of horror out there too. Don't try to view everything through rose-colored glasses. One moment of distraction and a subway train crushes you. No angel is jumping in to save you then. 😁
darkfalcon21 darkfalcon21 NewcomerOP
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#25 ·
Susan Price30 said:There is no such thing as an "evil angel" because, by definition—and just as you pointed out—Angels exist to serve God and carry out His will.

The correct term for those other entities is demons... who have absolutely nothing to do with God, nor do they "serve" Him.

When I was talking about evil angels, I meant demons—basically fallen angels.
Supposedly they serve Satan, but hey, believe what you want...

casualtiger2 said:Nah, I don't buy it. Honestly, people probably just made the whole thing up as a way to feel better about themselves.
Especially the whole bit about chubby faces, curly hair, and wings—it’s just not realistic.

I don't really care about how they look or if they even have wings...
It’s more about that bright, beautiful force that loves and protects you. It truly is a comfort, provided you have enough faith. 🙂

Linda Walker37 said:People say young children can see angels. Do you believe that?
I know a few firsthand accounts, and honestly, those kids are too young to be making things up. I truly believe it..😉

Kids are actually capable of seeing other entities (like spirits) from different dimensions.
We aren't talking about imaginary friends here. They are real.
Sadly, parents often end up destroying that gift. They force their children to accept a version of the "real" world where nothing supernatural exists.
Modern society is moving so heavily toward pure logic and reason, especially within the school system.
And look what we've become. 😢
jademarlin26 jademarlin26 Active Member
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#26 ·
darkfalcon21 said:When I was talking about evil angels, I meant demons—basically fallen angels.
Supposedly they serve Satan, but hey, believe what you want...

I don't really care about how they look or if they even have wings...
It’s more about that bright, beautiful force that loves and protects you. It truly is a comfort, provided you have enough faith. 🙂

Kids are actually capable of seeing other entities (like spirits) from different dimensions.
We aren't talking about imaginary friends here. They are real.
Sadly, parents often end up destroying that gift. They force their children to accept a version of the "real" world where nothing supernatural exists.
Modern society is moving so heavily toward pure logic and reason, especially within the school system.
And look what we've become. 😢

Is that so? Perhaps you can attempt to shoehorn that fantasy into the period when a child is too young to articulate anything, leaving you free to believe whatever conveniently fits your personal "philosophy."

Once you impose an identity and language upon them—essentially conditioning them for life—they lose touch with objective reality. I am not suggesting this conditioning isn't necessary. It is simply a fact that children, much like adults, invent stories.
Paul Jones7 Paul Jones7 Active Member
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#27 ·
I’m a believer in the spiritual side of things—you know, angels, demons, all that stuff; I also think we each carry our own unique spiritual blueprint deep down
Roger Fox56 Roger Fox56 Newcomer
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#28 ·
jademarlin26 said:Is that so? Perhaps you can attempt to shoehorn that fantasy into the period when a child is too young to articulate anything, leaving you free to believe whatever conveniently fits your personal "philosophy."

Once you impose an identity and language upon them—essentially conditioning them for life—they lose touch with objective reality. I am not suggesting this conditioning isn't necessary. It is simply a fact that children, much like adults, invent stories.

Why on earth would angels be just "fantasy"?

It’s actually a perfectly logical assumption—honestly, it’s a legitimate scientific hypothesis to suggest that angels really exist.

1) Every major religion on the planet bears witness to them. We have accounts that align almost perfectly, even though they were recorded independently and "spontaneously" across different cultures.

2) It is highly probable that intelligent beings exist whose consciousness isn't tied to a material, neurological carrier.

I don't see any valid reason to deny the existence of conscious intelligences that lack a physical body.
For instance, we recognize different types of minds—like flies or even plants—that process information using non-human brain structures.

Humans are just one specific case where consciousness has taken on a sensory, biological form.
Most of us look at a dog and think it's somehow "lesser" than us, probably because it doesn't know anything about quantum physics.😁

But maybe a creature like a dog possesses a cosmic perspective where it is whole, and we are the ones who are incomplete.
After all, our concept of a "bone" is completely different from how a dog experiences it.🙂
Likewise, our coarse, everyday matter might seem totally unreal to beings made of finer substance.
There is no way for us to prove this, just like there is no way to definitively prove whether four dimensions truly exist.

Space and time are just phenomena through which we perceive distorted images of ideas. Our measurements of space and time are basically just social constructs, and they likely vary wildly between different types of beings.

There is clearly a gap between our senses and how they correspond to consciousness. Any theory needs a medium to bridge matter and spirit, much like how physicists once needed the "ether" to explain how vibrations travel.

3) Countless people have reported encounters with angels well into the 20th century.😲

4) Take Paulo Coelho, for example, in his book Valkyrie 5.

5) Or the famous Rupert Sheldrake and Matthew Fox in their book Angel Physics.

My takeaway:

The person claiming angels are just a fantasy is probably the one doing the fantasizing.😉
And one thing is certain: they've definitely never met one themselves.🙂
Linda Walker37 Linda Walker37 Member
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#29 ·
darkfalcon21 said:When I was talking about evil angels, I meant demons—basically fallen angels.
Supposedly they serve Satan, but hey, believe what you want...

I don't really care about how they look or if they even have wings...
It’s more about that bright, beautiful force that loves and protects you. It truly is a comfort, provided you have enough faith. 🙂

Kids are actually capable of seeing other entities (like spirits) from different dimensions.
We aren't talking about imaginary friends here. They are real.
Sadly, parents often end up destroying that gift. They force their children to accept a version of the "real" world where nothing supernatural exists.
Modern society is moving so heavily toward pure logic and reason, especially within the school system.
And look what we've become. 😢

Exactly. Kids, animals—I've even experienced it myself.😉
Larry Wilson5 Larry Wilson5 Active Member
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#30 ·
Linda Walker37 said:Exactly. Kids, animals—I've even experienced it myself.😉

I suppose you're an angel, you just seem to have forgotten it.
Susan Price30 Susan Price30 Regular
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#31 ·
Anthony Perez9 said:Looks like they dropped the ball on that one.

Quincy:
Some 4-year-old kid took an 18-meter plunge off a building on Copernicus Street this past Saturday. He was fighting for his life at the Mayo Clinic yesterday. Aside from a broken leg, he’s got serious damage to his chest, abdomen, and internal organs. Rough stuff.
Believing in guardian angels is just pure, naive wishful thinking. Where are those little angels when you’re staring at a pediatric oncology ward at Mayo Clinic? Nowhere to be found. Where were they when kids were being suffocated in gas chambers? Taking a long weekend? Even the Pope stayed silent on that. I'm not saying life doesn't have its beautiful moments, but there's plenty of horror out there too. Don't try to view everything through rose-colored glasses. One moment of distraction and a subway train crushes you. No angel is jumping in to save you then. 😁

Of course they will. That is their entire job description—to help those they were sent to protect. Trying to argue about how, where, or why that happens is ultimately pointless.
jademarlin26 said:Is that so? Perhaps you can attempt to shoehorn that fantasy into the period when a child is too young to articulate anything, leaving you free to believe whatever conveniently fits your personal "philosophy."

Once you impose an identity and language upon them—essentially conditioning them for life—they lose touch with objective reality. I am not suggesting this conditioning isn't necessary. It is simply a fact that children, much like adults, invent stories.

Fantasy is simply what you imagine to be true—thinking that something others consider to be outside of a person and a completely separate entity is actually inside of you (though I am not ruling out the possibility that it isn't).

Spiritual beings are everywhere around us; perhaps you just haven't been paying enough attention because you've been too preoccupied with sorting through your own "dark corners of consciousness."
That is a mistake right from the start... (that whole self-glorification thing and focusing solely inwards), though I am not saying there aren't certain mental compartments that need organizing. There is still something outside of oneself that requires attention.

Angels, for example.🙂
Paul Jones7 Paul Jones7 Active Member
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#32 ·
So, I got knocked off my bike by a car doing maybe sixty. He picked me up from behind—not hit me directly, per se. I didn't break anything or anything, just ended up pretty bruised. How?

He caught the pedal, but didn't actually strike my leg—it was just the pedal taking the impact. It sent me spinning off to the side instead of slamming me onto his hood

Then there was another time—my own fault, really—where a car clipped me from the side and sent me down. Again, no direct impact to my body. He was braking, so he was going much slower. Once again, no real injuries

The third time was a bit different. I was flying down a hill at high speed when I hit a rock right at the exact moment I was switching hands—moving from the drops back to the hoods—basically the split second I wasn't gripping the bars. The handlebars jerked, slammed into my right arm—left me with a nasty bruise—and snapped back so hard it actually returned to center. I managed to grab hold of them calmly. If they had twisted the other way... well, I wouldn't be here

There were other instances too, including one massive blunder on my part. I won't list them all—honestly, I'm a little embarrassed—but I always walk away with this feeling that something is looking out for me. Like it’s just not my time to get seriously hurt, even when the circumstances seem perfect for it

If it were "meant to be," I would have been crushed. If that were just part of some grand life plan of mine
Roger Fox56 Roger Fox56 Newcomer
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#33 ·
Roger Fox56 said:Why on earth would angels be just "fantasy"?

It’s actually a perfectly logical assumption—honestly, it’s a legitimate scientific hypothesis to suggest that angels really exist.

1) Every major religion on the planet bears witness to them. We have accounts that align almost perfectly, even though they were recorded independently and "spontaneously" across different cultures.

2) It is highly probable that intelligent beings exist whose consciousness isn't tied to a material, neurological carrier.

I don't see any valid reason to deny the existence of conscious intelligences that lack a physical body.
For instance, we recognize different types of minds—like flies or even plants—that process information using non-human brain structures.

Humans are just one specific case where consciousness has taken on a sensory, biological form.
Most of us look at a dog and think it's somehow "lesser" than us, probably because it doesn't know anything about quantum physics.😁

But maybe a creature like a dog possesses a cosmic perspective where it is whole, and we are the ones who are incomplete.
After all, our concept of a "bone" is completely different from how a dog experiences it.🙂
Likewise, our coarse, everyday matter might seem totally unreal to beings made of finer substance.
There is no way for us to prove this, just like there is no way to definitively prove whether four dimensions truly exist.

Space and time are just phenomena through which we perceive distorted images of ideas. Our measurements of space and time are basically just social constructs, and they likely vary wildly between different types of beings.

There is clearly a gap between our senses and how they correspond to consciousness. Any theory needs a medium to bridge matter and spirit, much like how physicists once needed the "ether" to explain how vibrations travel.

3) Countless people have reported encounters with angels well into the 20th century.😲

4) Take Paulo Coelho, for example, in his book Valkyrie 5.

5) Or the famous Rupert Sheldrake and Matthew Fox in their book Angel Physics.

My takeaway:

The person claiming angels are just a fantasy is probably the one doing the fantasizing.😉
And one thing is certain: they've definitely never met one themselves.🙂

Besides, everyone remembers that famous octopus, Paul, who was basically the greatest soccer expert on the planet because he PREDICTED every single match result during the World Cup whenever he was asked.🙂

All those endless, annoying "expert" analyses on ESPN pale in comparison to the absolute, unstoppable predictive accuracy of Paul the octopus.🙂

If a perfectly ordinary little octopus can predict the future of sports with 100% accuracy, then it’s honestly pathetic for some people to claim that the existence of angels is just some fantasy.🙄

because

anything is possible 🙂

and

nothing happens by accident.🙂
Anthony Perez9 Anthony Perez9 Regular
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#34 ·
Roger Fox56 said:Besides, everyone remembers that famous octopus, Paul, who was basically the greatest soccer expert on the planet because he PREDICTED every single match result during the World Cup whenever he was asked.🙂

All those endless, annoying "expert" analyses on ESPN pale in comparison to the absolute, unstoppable predictive accuracy of Paul the octopus.🙂

If a perfectly ordinary little octopus can predict the future of sports with 100% accuracy, then it’s honestly pathetic for some people to claim that the existence of angels is just some fantasy.🙄

because

anything is possible 🙂

and

nothing happens by accident.🙂

We aren't actually going to pretend Paul is right just because of some football nonsense, or act like some small-town clown or a psychic like Milan is some kind of visionary. 😂
Susan Price30 Susan Price30 Regular
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#35 ·
Roger Fox56 said:Besides, everyone remembers that famous octopus, Paul, who was basically the greatest soccer expert on the planet because he PREDICTED every single match result during the World Cup whenever he was asked.🙂

All those endless, annoying "expert" analyses on ESPN pale in comparison to the absolute, unstoppable predictive accuracy of Paul the octopus.🙂

If a perfectly ordinary little octopus can predict the future of sports with 100% accuracy, then it’s honestly pathetic for some people to claim that the existence of angels is just some fantasy.🙄

because

anything is possible 🙂

and

nothing happens by accident.🙂

An octopus brought a hundred? What kind of octopus are we talking about? I've never heard of such a thing...
Joshua Phillips75 Joshua Phillips75 Newcomer
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#36 ·
Lisa Morales4 said:So, I guess that’s it then: your angel lights the way, pointing you toward a spot in a crowded parking lot that just happened to open up right as you pulled in. You just have to stay tuned in and be in harmony with that light.

As for enjoying that angelic protection and feeling grateful for it—you put it perfectly, Keith Baker: all thanks goes to God, who directs all the angels and saints to help us out whenever we ask.

I still remember the stress and trauma of high school and college exams. For someone like me (and please, try to remember your own experiences)—someone who was lost in space, constantly reading something else, getting lost in music, or "wasting time writing" (as my mom used to say) instead of studying for tests—passing those exams wouldn't have been possible if I hadn't trusted in the help of my Angel. My entire study routine usually lasted exactly as long as it took to say a prayer the night before, a prayer in the morning, and then a quick prayer in the school restroom while waiting for the exam to start. During the test itself, it was all about concentrating ON the material and trusting IN the Angel I had asked to sit in my shirt pocket and whisper the answers to me.🙂 😛

That friendship with your Angel is built over years, so it’s no wonder they work miracles for me. So, Keith Baker, I suppose my Angel really does lead me straight to a parking spot in the middle of a busy downtown or a packed shopping mall.🙂

Do Angels have a thing for Prada bags? 🤷
Larry Wilson5 Larry Wilson5 Active Member
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#37 ·
If a perfectly ordinary octopus can predict a
football game with total accuracy... -- one has to wonder if the sport feels high-stakes to the creature. A matter of survival, perhaps. Even considering synchronicity, what kind of phenomenon does this represent? Some longing for miracles? I suppose the real miracle is how people manage to survive while ignoring the subtle dimensions of existence. Or maybe they don't. You can't really account for everything. It's all just a way to forcibly suppress the subtle aspects of life, and Andrew.
Paul Jones7 Paul Jones7 Active Member
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#38 ·
Larry Wilson5 said:If a perfectly ordinary octopus can predict a
football game with total accuracy... -- one has to wonder if the sport feels high-stakes to the creature. A matter of survival, perhaps. Even considering synchronicity, what kind of phenomenon does this represent? Some longing for miracles? I suppose the real miracle is how people manage to survive while ignoring the subtle dimensions of existence. Or maybe they don't. You can't really account for everything. It's all just a way to forcibly suppress the subtle aspects of life, and Andrew.

There was once an octopus rooting against the Americans during the Euros... 😍 Paul thought the Germans were going to absolutely crush us 😉

It all boils down to statistics, I suppose, but... there’s this other factor: how much does the collective energy of optimism—that sheer belief in making things happen—from everyone praying that the octopus's prediction comes true actually matter? 😉
Larry Wilson5 Larry Wilson5 Active Member
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#39 ·
Paul Jones7;
It’s all just statistics at this point said:

It’s possible. Quite significant, I guess. But then again, it could just be spontaneous or calculated manipulation.
The octopus, a harmless creature rooting for the football team. What a joke. And where are the angels in all this? If you want to remember what it's like to have wings, that's where my interest lies.
Linda Walker37 Linda Walker37 Member
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#40 ·
Larry Wilson5 said:I suppose you're an angel, you just seem to have forgotten it.

Ehh, if only I were
But wait—wouldn't you want to be an Andrew?
At least you get to choose which side you're on.
Are you siding with the Andrews or the villains? Good or evil? Love or hate?
Ultimately, you become exactly who you choose to be.🤷

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