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Jacob Newman77 Jacob Newman77 MemberOP
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#1 ·
So, what exactly is Jouissance?

"Jouissance is essentially 'pleasure in pain.' It refers to that paradoxical satisfaction triggered by a painful encounter with the Thing—something that disrupts the equilibrium of the established pleasure principle."

How am I supposed to make sense of that??

My boyfriend tried to break it down for me: he said it’s like how I enjoy being with him, yet I’m constantly questioning if I actually deserve all this happiness—that's Jouissance, finding a weird sort of satisfaction in not fully letting yourself enjoy things. Is he actually onto something here??
Morgan Bishop4 Morgan Bishop4 Active Member
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#2 ·
Isn't that basically just masochism at this point? Or, you know... finding some kind of twisted pleasure in the pain or something "bad"...
cosmicwolf27 cosmicwolf27 Member
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#3 ·
Can you guys give me an actual example? I’m clueless here, just trying to figure out what we're actually talking about.🤣🤣🤣
ironmarlin1 ironmarlin1 Active Member
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#4 ·
If we're talking about pure pleasure, then by definition, we aren't dealing with pain. 🤷
Jacob Newman77 Jacob Newman77 MemberOP
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#5 ·
Morgan Bishop4 said:Isn't that basically just masochism at this point? Or, you know... finding some kind of twisted pleasure in the pain or something "bad"...

My take? A masochist consciously leans into the pain. I’m not experiencing it that way. For me, it’s all happening deep in the unconscious... I don't know. Maybe that isn't the perfect illustration of Jouissance. Does anyone have a better example?
Morgan Bishop4 Morgan Bishop4 Active Member
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#6 ·
so, wait, are you telling me that Jouissance is basically just step one on the road to masochism?! :/ i don't really get that part... i mean, isn't it true that we're all pretty much constantly exposed to some kind of subconscious ache or whatever... who knows...
Jacob Newman77 Jacob Newman77 MemberOP
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#7 ·
http://nosubject.com/Jouissance

Great piece. Honestly, if you can wrap your head around the English, this might actually help... but I still need some real-world, everyday examples to make it stick.
mistyscout2 mistyscout2 Active Member
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#8 ·
Jacob Newman77 said:http://nosubject.com/Jouissance

Great piece. Honestly, if you can wrap your head around the English, this might actually help... but I still need some real-world, everyday examples to make it stick.

Hey there—regardless of how you identify—I actually stumbled upon something else that might be useful for you:

http://www.enotes.com/psychoanalysis...uissance-lacan
Jacob Newman77 Jacob Newman77 MemberOP
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#9 ·
Here’s a little something pulled from Lacan for beginners:

Back in the sixties, Lacan was obsessed with pinning down this concept he called Jouissance. It’s funny, really—the word itself actually belongs to the English literary tradition, popping up in works like Edmund Spenser’s *The Faerie Queene* and various other sixteenth-century texts. Most people just translate it as "enjoyment," which is a bit of a stretch. In Lacanian terms, it’s more about that tipping point where something becomes too much for the organism to actually handle. Too much stimulation, too much excitement, or even just a certain kind of stagnant, heavy emptiness. Most of the time, Jouissance feels like nothing short of unbearable suffering. But here’s the kicker, the part that really gets under your skin: what we experience as agonizing pain, our unconscious perceives as pure satisfaction. That’s The Real. In a Lacanian sense, it exists entirely outside of symbolism and meaning—this constant, recurring force that just keeps coming back to haunt us, bringing that same old suffering right to our doorstep.

Repetition. Again.

Back in his early twenties, Freud and those first few followers realized something crucial: you can't just reduce the entire psyche to linguistic formulas and unconscious mechanisms. Sure, someone could deliver a brilliant interpretation of a symptom, but that didn’t magically make the damn thing vanish. Freud eventually hit on this idea of a silent force within the psyche—something that drives self-destruction and triggers that conscious pain we all know too well. He tied this directly to compulsive behavior, that desperate need to repeat certain patterns over and over. At the end of the day, the reality is that people keep making the same mistakes. They make the same terrible decisions throughout their lives—decisions that lead straight to regret and misery. Most people don't learn from their past errors, mostly because, strangely enough, there's a vested interest in their own suffering. That’s where Jouissance comes in. It is the true enemy in psychoanalytic practice, and Lacan tried to unpack it through several different lenses. Because of this, the field of psychoanalysis can never be strictly about language. "The Real" has become the focal point, manifesting as Jouissance in the sense that it exists entirely outside of meaning and signification. This unpredictable, dangerous, and heterogeneous presence of Jouissance proves that Lacan’s work—as it often does—cannot be simplified into just an emphasis on the importance of language. Now, the tension between language and Jouissance has become the primary battlefield for research.

While it might seem more subtle when we're dealing with neurosis, *jouissance* really takes center stage in psychosis. It manifests physically in the schizophrenic body or erupts through those frantic, persecutory delusions in paranoia—always tethered to something external, like the mindless hum of a TV, the watchful eye of the CIA, or even just the nosy neighbors next door.

The regulation of Jouissance. It’s a messy, exhausting business, isn't it? Trying to put a leash on that primal, overwhelming excess... it feels like trying to catch smoke with your bare hands. We spend our entire lives building these elaborate psychological dams, hoping to contain the flood, yet we always seem to find ourselves drowning in it anyway. It's a cycle that never quite breaks.

Human existence has one primary function: to regulate *jouissance*. We enter this world with *jouissance* baked into our very biology—this raw, overwhelming surplus of stimulation that we spend our lives trying to offload. As we mature, we essentially bleed this *jouissance* out of the psyche through the constant pressure of deprivation, schooling, and the rigid rules of socialization. It’s the process of being folded into "The Other," a system that dictates exactly how to act and when to act. You rarely see that unbridled, frantic excitement of a toddler in a grown adult. That’s because the *jouissance* has been drained from the psyche. But it doesn't just vanish. Some of it gets trapped in privileged corners of the body, like the erogenous zones. And—crucially for anyone interested in psychoanalysis—it lingers in our symptoms. A symptom is just a part of that leftover *jouissance* that refused to disappear; it’s a piece of that excess energy that crawled back into the mind or the body, specifically to make life difficult.

Language and castration.

Jean Alain-Miller really nailed it when he showed how Lacan reframed castration. It’s not just some abstract concept; it’s the draining of jouissance from the psyche. And how does this drainage actually happen? Through the Symbolic register itself—language. The moment the psyche passes through and into language, that is castration. It’s what introduces the concepts of loss and absence into our world. The phallus serves as the permanent symbol of this transition, the unconscious way we represent that fundamental sense of lack. Lacan’s take isn't just academic fluff; it has massive clinical implications. If jouissance is part of The Real—existing entirely outside the Imaginary and the Symbolic—how is a psychoanalyst supposed to touch it? Their only tool is language. The answer, it seems, lies in the thesis that language itself is what triggers changes in jouissance. This immediately calls into question all those therapeutic trends that claim you can rewire the psyche through non-symbolic practices. It brings us back to one of Freud’s earliest preoccupations in his work during the 1890s. He viewed the psyche as a web of representations constantly bombarded by excitations. The task of the psyche is to find a way to manage these relentless excitations—mostly through redirections—to allow for new ways of navigating that network of representation.

So, there it is. Just the tip of the iceberg, really. It’s enough to make you want to dig much deeper into 🙂
mistyscout2 mistyscout2 Active Member
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#10 ·
Thanks so much for sharing this. Just one tiny little fact-check on my end: it’s actually Jacques, not Jean Alain-Miller. Hope that helps! Cheers.
Jacob Newman77 Jacob Newman77 MemberOP
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#11 ·
Thanks for catching that; I was rushing through the translation... A classic Freudian slip, now that I think about it. 😁

Anyway, Lacan is fascinating. I’ll try to tackle some more foundational Lacanian concepts so we can actually dive into this—it seems like everyone on this forum loves a good philosophical debate. 😛 There's something gripping about looking at the psyche through his lens, trying to decode the flow of thought and consciousness... It honestly makes me want to dig around online and see what Lacan and the other psychoanalysts had to say about occult themes (if you have any recommendations, drop them here or just shoot me a DM). I'll probably start by revisiting some Regardie...
mistyscout2 mistyscout2 Active Member
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#12 ·
From what I gather, Lacan wasn't really preoccupied with the occult—at least not in the way most people use that word today. His real focus was on literature, specifically diving deep into the analysis of great literary works. If you're interested in psychoanalysis, you’ve probably heard of Jung... then there's Mircea Eliade. He wasn't a psychoanalyst himself, but he was incredibly well-read and deeply versed in psychoanalysis, philosophy, and the history of religion. Even now, he's regarded as one of the absolute heavyweights in the study of religious history and philosophy from the 20th century. He studied all over the place and spent much of his career teaching at the University of Chicago, so he definitely wasn't just some obscure fringe figure.

If you're looking to dig into Lacan, there are a few PDFs out there covering him and related topics that might be worth checking out. Honestly, you'll probably find more people genuinely interested in Lacan among philosophy buffs and comparative literature scholars than you will among standard psychologists. Especially here in the States. It might be a slightly different story in France, but we aren't in France🙂.
Jacob Newman77 Jacob Newman77 MemberOP
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#13 ·
Thanks for getting back to me! I’ve already worked my way through Jung, but I haven't touched Eliade yet—definitely adding his books to my reading list. As for Lacan, I know he didn't dive into the occult, but surely he had some sort of take on it? It’s hard to imagine he stayed silent, considering those traditions basically paved the way for what we call psychology today. It would be fascinating to try and map out various phenomena using his terminology, assuming that's even possible.

Also, I tried searching for "Lacan" in the archives, but besides that one thread about language, there isn't much. On the other hand, this psychology PDF section has basically turned into a collection of "dear diary" advice columns. 😢 I don't have anything against that, per se, but a bit of actual, heavy-duty theoretical discussion would be a welcome change.

ps: I dig your signature. 🙂
mistyscout2 mistyscout2 Active Member
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#14 ·
Jacob Newman77 said:Thanks for getting back to me! I’ve already worked my way through Jung, but I haven't touched Eliade yet—definitely adding his books to my reading list. As for Lacan, I know he didn't dive into the occult, but surely he had some sort of take on it? It’s hard to imagine he stayed silent, considering those traditions basically paved the way for what we call psychology today. It would be fascinating to try and map out various phenomena using his terminology, assuming that's even possible.

Also, I tried searching for "Lacan" in the archives, but besides that one thread about language, there isn't much. On the other hand, this psychology PDF section has basically turned into a collection of "dear diary" advice columns. 😢 I don't have anything against that, per se, but a bit of actual, heavy-duty theoretical discussion would be a welcome change.

ps: I dig your signature. 🙂

There are tons of pages from his seminars out there; I haven't read them all, but I've dipped my toes in a bit 🙂. He didn't really write much himself; most of his seminars were actually edited together by his students and listeners. Most notably by Jacques-Alain Miller, who was essentially his "son-in-law." I've read (among other things) his analysis of Hamlet—which is probably the closest thing I've found in Lacan that could be linked to anything "occult," purely because of the symbolism regarding mandrakes and such. It’s interesting, though if I'm being honest, it feels a little factually off at times... Actually, I'm not entirely sure since it's such an obscure detail... But I did notice him make one factual error. Anyway, doesn't matter...

Jacob Newman77 said:Thanks for getting back to me! I’ve already worked my way through Jung, but I haven't touched Eliade yet—definitely adding his books to my reading list. As for Lacan, I know he didn't dive into the occult, but surely he had some sort of take on it? It’s hard to imagine he stayed silent, considering those traditions basically paved the way for what we call psychology today. It would be fascinating to try and map out various phenomena using his terminology, assuming that's even possible.

Also, I tried searching for "Lacan" in the archives, but besides that one thread about language, there isn't much. On the other hand, this psychology PDF section has basically turned into a collection of "dear diary" advice columns. 😢 I don't have anything against that, per se, but a bit of actual, heavy-duty theoretical discussion would be a welcome change.

ps: I dig your signature. 🙂

That old one about language? Yeah, totally. Even the more recent stuff about triple ontologies is decent. Honestly, I agree with you—that's been the vibe on the philosophy PDF forums for quite a while now—but why not shake things up with a constructive post of your own? Whoever you are (and if you've been around for a while, which you probably have given how you talk), just go over there and write something good. Unless, of course, you've given up on it, in which case I respect the decision.

Jacob Newman77 said:Thanks for getting back to me! I’ve already worked my way through Jung, but I haven't touched Eliade yet—definitely adding his books to my reading list. As for Lacan, I know he didn't dive into the occult, but surely he had some sort of take on it? It’s hard to imagine he stayed silent, considering those traditions basically paved the way for what we call psychology today. It would be fascinating to try and map out various phenomena using his terminology, assuming that's even possible.

Also, I tried searching for "Lacan" in the archives, but besides that one thread about language, there isn't much. On the other hand, this psychology PDF section has basically turned into a collection of "dear diary" advice columns. 😢 I don't have anything against that, per se, but a bit of actual, heavy-duty theoretical discussion would be a welcome change.

ps: I dig your signature. 🙂

Glad you like it! It comes from one of Žižek's books where he mentions Virgil and his "mover the Acheron"—to stir or move the underworld. Then Slavoj writes that it means to "dare to touch the underworld of that which is not spoken of, yet moves our lives." In the context of what he wrote before 🙂But yeah, that's pretty much it.
Jacob Newman77 Jacob Newman77 MemberOP
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mistyscout2 said:There are tons of pages from his seminars out there; I haven't read them all, but I've dipped my toes in a bit 🙂. He didn't really write much himself; most of his seminars were actually edited together by his students and listeners. Most notably by Jacques-Alain Miller, who was essentially his "son-in-law." I've read (among other things) his analysis of Hamlet—which is probably the closest thing I've found in Lacan that could be linked to anything "occult," purely because of the symbolism regarding mandrakes and such. It’s interesting, though if I'm being honest, it feels a little factually off at times... Actually, I'm not entirely sure since it's such an obscure detail... But I did notice him make one factual error. Anyway, doesn't matter...

That old one about language? Yeah, totally. Even the more recent stuff about triple ontologies is decent. Honestly, I agree with you—that's been the vibe on the philosophy PDF forums for quite a while now—but why not shake things up with a constructive post of your own? Whoever you are (and if you've been around for a while, which you probably have given how you talk), just go over there and write something good. Unless, of course, you've given up on it, in which case I respect the decision.

Glad you like it! It comes from one of Žižek's books where he mentions Virgil and his "mover the Acheron"—to stir or move the underworld. Then Slavoj writes that it means to "dare to touch the underworld of that which is not spoken of, yet moves our lives." In the context of what he wrote before 🙂But yeah, that's pretty much it.

hmm, does he touch on religion?

mistyscout2 said:There are tons of pages from his seminars out there; I haven't read them all, but I've dipped my toes in a bit 🙂. He didn't really write much himself; most of his seminars were actually edited together by his students and listeners. Most notably by Jacques-Alain Miller, who was essentially his "son-in-law." I've read (among other things) his analysis of Hamlet—which is probably the closest thing I've found in Lacan that could be linked to anything "occult," purely because of the symbolism regarding mandrakes and such. It’s interesting, though if I'm being honest, it feels a little factually off at times... Actually, I'm not entirely sure since it's such an obscure detail... But I did notice him make one factual error. Anyway, doesn't matter...

That old one about language? Yeah, totally. Even the more recent stuff about triple ontologies is decent. Honestly, I agree with you—that's been the vibe on the philosophy PDF forums for quite a while now—but why not shake things up with a constructive post of your own? Whoever you are (and if you've been around for a while, which you probably have given how you talk), just go over there and write something good. Unless, of course, you've given up on it, in which case I respect the decision.

Glad you like it! It comes from one of Žižek's books where he mentions Virgil and his "mover the Acheron"—to stir or move the underworld. Then Slavoj writes that it means to "dare to touch the underworld of that which is not spoken of, yet moves our lives." In the context of what he wrote before 🙂But yeah, that's pretty much it.

now you've performed a Freudian slip, think about it 🙂 (philosophy forums instead of psychology)

And yeah, I have no desire to correct the wrong Mississippi rivers of these forums, and frankly, I don't have the time..

mistyscout2 said:There are tons of pages from his seminars out there; I haven't read them all, but I've dipped my toes in a bit 🙂. He didn't really write much himself; most of his seminars were actually edited together by his students and listeners. Most notably by Jacques-Alain Miller, who was essentially his "son-in-law." I've read (among other things) his analysis of Hamlet—which is probably the closest thing I've found in Lacan that could be linked to anything "occult," purely because of the symbolism regarding mandrakes and such. It’s interesting, though if I'm being honest, it feels a little factually off at times... Actually, I'm not entirely sure since it's such an obscure detail... But I did notice him make one factual error. Anyway, doesn't matter...

That old one about language? Yeah, totally. Even the more recent stuff about triple ontologies is decent. Honestly, I agree with you—that's been the vibe on the philosophy PDF forums for quite a while now—but why not shake things up with a constructive post of your own? Whoever you are (and if you've been around for a while, which you probably have given how you talk), just go over there and write something good. Unless, of course, you've given up on it, in which case I respect the decision.

Glad you like it! It comes from one of Žižek's books where he mentions Virgil and his "mover the Acheron"—to stir or move the underworld. Then Slavoj writes that it means to "dare to touch the underworld of that which is not spoken of, yet moves our lives." In the context of what he wrote before 🙂But yeah, that's pretty much it.


let's be realistic and demand the impossible 😉
placidwolf27 placidwolf27 Active Member
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Jacob Newman77 said:My take? A masochist consciously leans into the pain. I’m not experiencing it that way. For me, it’s all happening deep in the unconscious... I don't know. Maybe that isn't the perfect illustration of Jouissance. Does anyone have a better example?

If we aren't talking about masochism, then wouldn't the essence be the sudden intrusion or the shifting of jouissance into the realm of the conscious?
If one could put it that way...
mistyscout2 mistyscout2 Active Member
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#17 ·
Jacob Newman77 said:hmm, does he touch on religion?

now you've performed a Freudian slip, think about it 🙂 (philosophy forums instead of psychology)

And yeah, I have no desire to correct the wrong Mississippi rivers of these forums, and frankly, I don't have the time..

let's be realistic and demand the impossible 😉

Yeah, he’s definitely making a point there. I remember coming across this one Lacan piece in an old European journal—it was such a deep dive into religion that I actually had a hard time believing it was really his. I honestly need to dig that back out, pull it off the shelf, and double-check the publication dates and everything just to be sure.

Jacob Newman77 said:hmm, does he touch on religion?

now you've performed a Freudian slip, think about it 🙂 (philosophy forums instead of psychology)

And yeah, I have no desire to correct the wrong Mississippi rivers of these forums, and frankly, I don't have the time..

let's be realistic and demand the impossible 😉

Actually, I wrote "philosophy" on purpose. It wasn't some accidental slip of the tongue, or a slip of the pen, or even a typo—it was more like a slip of the eye. And if that’s not a real thing yet, well, I guess I’m officially inventing it right now. 😉I think I totally misread what you were getting at there. I saw the word "philosophy" and my brain just jumped straight to that, mostly because I had suggested you swing by our philosophy department's digital archives to check out some specific topics regarding Lacan. I figured we were both operating under that same assumption about what we were looking for. So, yeah, I’m still standing by what I said originally. If you were specifically searching through the psychology PDFs for Lacan stuff and coming up empty, maybe try digging through the philosophy section this time around—it's exactly where I suggested you look in the first place. 😉.

Jacob Newman77 said:hmm, does he touch on religion?

now you've performed a Freudian slip, think about it 🙂 (philosophy forums instead of psychology)

And yeah, I have no desire to correct the wrong Mississippi rivers of these forums, and frankly, I don't have the time..

let's be realistic and demand the impossible 😉

It’s not a direct connection, but if you look closely, their shared "tertium comparationis" is probably just how radical they both are.
Brandon Wright54 Brandon Wright54 Active Member
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#18 ·
I think it’s a mistake to translate jouissance as just some excessive pleasure involving transgression, sex, or suffering. When analysts try to deconstruct such a heavy concept, they usually lean on two modules: first, an imaginary pre-linguistic phase—that sense of wholeness experienced purely through the body (the mirror stage)—and second, that impossible state where one tries to reclaim that physicality through fantasy. So, according to Lacan, pure jouissance is essentially a phantasmatic creation generated solely through language. On the flip side, the subject has this desperate urge to return to the old ways, back to that imaginary phase where they felt whole for the first time, but every single attempt fails. It’s that constant cycle of trying to go back and failing miserably that, per Lacan, constitutes actual jouissance. This jouissance acts as the killer operator between the two modules—the space where the traumatic Real and the Imaginary swap places simultaneously. It steps in to fill the void left by the original lack (that feeling of wholeness from the mirror stage that eventually gets repressed). The space occupied by this jouissance is objet a—a zone of loss that manifests as the embodiment of what was lost, and what *should* replace it, even if that original desire can't truly be restored, which is why it stays buried in the unconscious. Thus, the objet a becomes the object of desire, and other objects will step in to try and plug that hole where the original desire used to be. This jouissance represents the subject's inherent fragmentation, caught between a desire they can't fulfill and the demands of the Other, who responds to those desires only in a way that serves its own.

I focused a bit more here because, looking at your other thread, I noticed you really nailed that Lacanian vibe 🙂
Jacob Newman77 Jacob Newman77 MemberOP
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#19 ·
Thanks a ton! I'll give it some thought. 🙂

Here’s a little something from Žižek regarding the *objet petit a*:

Quote : Homologous to The Lacanian proposition "Woman does not exist," we...
Maybe we should just come out and say it: Nature doesn't actually exist. Not in the way we think it does.
A steady, rhythmic loop—perfectly balanced—suddenly derailed by the sheer weight of human interference.
Pure inadvertence. The very notion of man as an excess relative to...
We have to face it: the idea of nature’s perfectly balanced circuit is officially dead. We can no longer cling to that comforting image of...
The idea of nature functioning as some perfectly balanced circuit? It’s a total illusion—nothing more than a retroactive projection we slap onto reality after the fact.
The very notion of man as an... Herein Lies The lesson of recent theories of chaos: "nature."
It’s already inherently turbulent, fundamentally off-balance; its "rule" isn't some stable structure.
It’s essentially a well-balanced oscillation revolving around some fixed point of attraction.
But we’re talking about a chaotic dispersion—one that still stays within the boundaries defined by the theory of chaos itself.
He calls it the "strange attractor"—that weird little spark of order that actually dictates the flow of chaos itself.
One of The achievements of The theory of chaos is The demonstration that chaos does not necessarily imply an intricate...
One of The achievements of The theory of chaos is The demonstration that chaos does not necessarily imply an intricate, impenetrable web.
It turns out that even the simplest causes can trigger what we call "chaotic" behavior. One of The achievements of The theory of chaos is The demonstration that chaos does not necessarily imply an intricate...
The theory of chaos thus subverts The Basic "intuition" found in classical physics.
It seems we’re circling back to the idea that any process, if left entirely to its own devices, naturally drifts toward a certain kind of... what? Stagnation? Entropy? Or perhaps just a predictable pattern. It’s that sense of inevitability that always feels a bit heavy, isn't it? Like watching a slow slide toward a predetermined end.
...of natural equilibrium—whether that’s a state of rest or just a predictable, rhythmic motion. The...
The truly revolutionary core of this whole theory is distilled right into that one term: "strange."
"is not The Freudian thing a kind of 'fatal attractor.'" It’s entirely possible for a system to exhibit what we call "chaotic" behavior...
It happens in an irregular way—you move forward, and there's simply no turning back to how things were. You can't revert to a previous state and still truly *be*.
It’s actually capable of being formalized through an "attractor" that exerts regulation.
It’s an attractor that behaves in a "strange" way—meaning it doesn't just settle into some predictable shape, but rather...
It’s less about a single point within a symmetrical figure—it's more about those endlessly intertwined patterns that just refuse to settle.
Serpentine lines tracing the edges of a clearly defined shape, an...
Anamorphotically disfigured circles, some sort of "butterfly"... you know the drill.
One is almost tempted to go as far as risking a homology between the tension between...
A "normal" attractor—think of it as a state of equilibrium or a steady, predictable oscillation.
(the direction toward which a disturbed system is expected to drift) and a "strange"
Is not The Freudian thing a kind of " fatal attractor, and what happens when we look at the tension between that pull and the stability we think we’re moving toward?
The pleasure principle is constantly striving, always pushing, yet it’s ultimately chasing after that elusive Freudian Thing—that core embodiment of pure enjoyment.
is not The Freudian thing a kind of " fatal attractor, unsettling the very foundation of our psychic stability?
The regular operation of the psychic apparatus—it’s all about preventing it from...
Are we really talking about establishing some kind of equilibrium? Because if so, isn't the very form of the "strange" attractor exactly what we should be looking at instead?
Is the concept of an "attractor" just a physical metaphor for the Lacanian *objet petit a*?
WE find here another confirmation of Jacques-Alain Miller's thesis.
That object *a*? It’s nothing more than a pure form—specifically, it functions as the structural blueprint of an attractor.
The art of the theory of chaos consists in allowing US to see The very form of chaos.
The art of The theory of chaos consists in allowing US to see The very form of chaos...
The art of The theory of chaos consists in allowing US to see The very form of chaos—revealing a hidden pattern in what most people would just dismiss as total, senseless noise.
Pure, formless disorder.
The classic tug-of-war between "order" and "chaos" is essentially a false dichotomy. We tend to view them as polar opposites, but that’s where we miss the mark entirely. One of The achievements of The theory of chaos is The demonstration that chaos does not necessarily imply an intricate patternlessness; rather, it's more about how the structure itself functions. In fact, The theory of chaos thus subverts The Basic assumption that stability requires rigid control. It turns out that what looks like total disorder is often just a deeper, more complex type of organization.
Suspended: what looks like pure, unadulterated chaos—from the...
The erratic swings of the New York Stock Exchange and the sudden, violent surges of an epidemic—they share a deeper, more unsettling rhythm than most people care to admit. It’s all about those unpredictable fluctuations, isn't it? You look at the market crashing one day and then rebounding the next, or you watch a virus spread through a major US city with terrifying speed, and you start to see the pattern. It’s not just random noise. There’s a structural logic to the chaos, a certain way the system breaks and reforms itself. Honestly, it's enough to make anyone feel a little exhausted by the sheer instability of it all.
The way whirlpools form in the Mississippi, or even just the way branches spread out on a tree—there’s something there. It isn't just random noise. One of The achievements of The theory of chaos is The demonstration that chaos does not necessarily imply an intricate mess; instead, there is a structural logic at play. The theory of chaos thus subverts The Basic assumptions we hold about order and randomness. It’s almost like looking at a pattern and realizing the pattern itself is the point.
A tree follows its own internal logic; chaos isn't just random noise, it’s governed by what we call an "attractor."
The point isn't about trying to "detect order behind chaos." That’s not the goal at all. It’s about detecting the...
The art of The theory of chaos consists in allowing US to see The very form of chaos—that specific, jagged pattern found within its own irregular dispersion.
There’s this growing pushback against what people call "traditional" science—this movement rooted in the idea that... well, you know. It’s a rejection of the standard model, fueled by a certain skepticism toward established empirical methods. But honestly? It feels less like a pursuit of truth and more like a desperate attempt to find order where none exists.
...of some sort of universal law—you know, that predictable, steady link between cause and effect we all like to believe in.
These theories essentially serve as rough sketches—first drafts, if you will—for what might eventually become a true "science of the real."
It’s essentially about a science that maps out the very rules used to produce contingency—that unpredictable *tuché* moment.
It isn't about some symbolic automaton. You won't find the actual
obfuscating nonsense found in those "synthesis" essays trying to bridge particle physics with
Eastern mysticism—those attempts to claim a new holistic, organic
framework will somehow replace the old "mechanistic" worldview. That’s not where the action is. The
true "paradigm shift" in modern science lies elsewhere.

Even if he wasn't quite that popular, when he speaks like 😁

Anyway, I'm going to try and dig up something on the distinction between masochism and jouissance. It seems like everyone's first instinct is to jump to masochism, and honestly, it might be useful to look at things from that angle—learning through comparison...

@mistyscout2: A Freudian would tell you—it doesn't matter what form the error takes 😉 Of course, you don't have to write down your final conclusions; just think about it 🙂
Brandon Wright54 Brandon Wright54 Active Member
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Regarding masochism and *jouissance*—I think even Žižek touches on that distinction in his book *On Belief*. Masochism falls under the umbrella of perversion, which is worlds apart from the hysterical position. According to Lacan, a hysteric is someone who spots the flaw in the Other and refuses to play along—they sense the lie and aren't willing to sacrifice themselves just to plug that void in the Other. Hosterik doesn't accept that kind of castration; they won't serve the Other's needs. A pervert (masochists included) or a psychotic, however, will happily step into the role of the victim to try and fill that gap in the Other. The victim's delusion is believing they actually possess what’s needed to fill that emptiness. That's where the hysteric's real edge lies—they know there's nothing left to sacrifice to satisfy the Other's lack.

It's interesting how the hysterical position is often used as a shorthand for feminine behavior. Even the word "hysteria" itself comes from the Greek for womb...

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