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To kill or not to kill?

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Robin Palmer6 said:I'm not entirely sure if this is the right subforum for this kind of thing...

Answer the following question with a simple yes or no. Please don't dodge the question; be serious for once.

If you had the opportunity to kill just one person without facing any legal consequences,
would you do it?

If your answer is yes, everyone else will view you as a psychopath in need of psychiatric help, while those others pretend to be morally superior innocents.
If your answer is no, everyone will know you're lying—even if they don't call you out on it—because it would be obvious they'd all lie too if they said no.

My answer is yes.

my answer is "no"
Killing someone means killing a part of yourself; the book "Crime and Punishment" explains that perfectly... I highly recommend it to anyone who answered "yes."

btw, based on what you wrote, it sounds like murder isn't actually the point for you—it's more about how other people perceive it. I don't really get the point of your post. 🤷
Mark Torres14 Mark Torres14 Regular
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#22 ·
Jonathan Brooks8 said:Is there anyone out there who possesses—deep down, in their very essence—the soul of a killer? Isn't the soul itself fundamentally composed of both the slayer and the slain... isn't the world nothing more than a vast, swirling pool of violence, killers, and victims into which the soul is forced to plunge?

No way. You've just got broken people.
A killer is someone who takes a life for nothing. If there's a reason behind it, we don't call them killers—we use labels like soldier, defender, patriot, or terrorist. It’s all about whether the motive serves society or just one person's ego.😁
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#23 ·
Mark Torres14 said:No way. You've just got broken people.
A killer is someone who takes a life for nothing. If there's a reason behind it, we don't call them killers—we use labels like soldier, defender, patriot, or terrorist. It’s all about whether the motive serves society or just one person's ego.😁

There’s no such thing as a killer who acts without cause; there is always a motive and an explanation!

edit: Just as an example, a soldier kills because they were ordered to by the government, whereas someone else might kill because they're mentally ill and an internal voice is "ordering" them to do it. In that case, maybe the second person actually has a much stronger "reason" to kill...
Zachary Baker Zachary Baker Newcomer
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#24 ·
Robin Palmer6 said:I'm not entirely sure if this is the right subforum for this kind of thing...

Answer the following question with a simple yes or no. Please don't dodge the question; be serious for once.

If you had the opportunity to kill just one person without facing any legal consequences,
would you do it?

If your answer is yes, everyone else will view you as a psychopath in need of psychiatric help, while those others pretend to be morally superior innocents.
If your answer is no, everyone will know you're lying—even if they don't call you out on it—because it would be obvious they'd all lie too if they said no.

My answer is yes.

The way you framed this topic is a bit silly, and those explanations you added? Even more ridiculous! But honestly, the saddest part is that you're still stuck in the world of Hobbes... (was it "Homo homini lupus est"? I can't quite remember the exact grammar, haha!)

EDIT: And yeah, I guess you could call it philosophy! xD

BTW: You really ought to switch over to Locke and just trust that everyone actually has your best interests at heart! xD
dustyskipper3 dustyskipper3 Active Member
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#25 ·
I suppose I should mention the servantes... though I’m not entirely sure if that’s the right term to use here. It feels a bit old-fashioned, perhaps, but I find myself thinking about them quite often lately. There is something about that specific kind of service—that almost selfless, dedicated quality—that seems to be fading away in modern American life. Everything is so transactional now, isn't it? You pay a fee, you get a service, and that's that. There’s no soul in it. I guess I just find myself wondering if we've lost that sense of genuine, quiet devotion to a cause or to another person. Maybe I'm just being nostalgic, which probably isn't helpful, but I can't help but feel like the concept of true service is becoming a bit of a relic. Not that I'm saying things were perfect before, of course. Nothing ever is. But there was a certain... dignity in it, I think. Or maybe that's just my own perception. It's hard to say for certain. kaže:
There isn't any. It’s just... I don't know, there are only sick people left.
I suppose... I guess you could say that a killer is someone who takes a life without any real purpose behind it. But when there is a reason—a justification, if you will—we rarely use that word. Instead, we tend to label them as soldiers, or defenders, or maybe even terrorists or kamikazes... depending on how one views things, I suppose. It really comes down to the motivation, though. The reason shouldn't be some personal grievance of an individual, but rather something rooted in the interests of society at large. Or maybe that's just how we choose to see it.😁

Well, there are all sorts of different motives that might justify such an action, I suppose. The most common one is probably self-defense. You see politicians getting on TV and explaining how you were under immediate threat—basically saying that if you didn't strike first, bare-handed, you’d just be slaughtered by some stranger. Then there is the whole issue of killing in combat. It’s a heavy thing... you have a commanding officer pointing a rifle at the back of your head, so if you don't pull the trigger, he’ll kill you instead. Technically, you are the one doing the killing, but I guess the responsibility for the death also falls on the person who gave the order. That is why, at international tribunals, they don't usually put the average infantryman on trial, but rather the generals and the high-ranking commanders. With terrorists, though, things get much more complicated. It really comes down to a question of how much brainwashing they've endured... how many of them are actually victims who need psychological help, versus how many are truly responsible for their own violent acts.

A killer at heart... I suppose that’s someone like John Doe. It seems like as soon as he gets out on parole, he just feels this immediate, almost inevitable urge to kill. Of course, there are nuances to it, I guess... maybe.
gentlefox18 gentlefox18 Newcomer
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#26 ·
Anonymous said:There’s no such thing as a killer who acts without cause; there is always a motive and an explanation!

edit: Just as an example, a soldier kills because they were ordered to by the government, whereas someone else might kill because they're mentally ill and an internal voice is "ordering" them to do it. In that case, maybe the second person actually has a much stronger "reason" to kill...

Of course, everything you do is done for a reason and can be explained through your actions.

...
The question itself is twisted and frankly makes no sense to answer. Especially when you have strictly dictated that we respond with either a yes or a no.
Mark Torres14 Mark Torres14 Regular
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#27 ·
Anonymous said:There’s no such thing as a killer who acts without cause; there is always a motive and an explanation!

edit: Just as an example, a soldier kills because they were ordered to by the government, whereas someone else might kill because they're mentally ill and an internal voice is "ordering" them to do it. In that case, maybe the second person actually has a much stronger "reason" to kill...

Read the last sentence of my quote again, Brenda Cook4.
For a reason to actually count, it has to be something society accepts.
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#28 ·
Robin Palmer6 said:I'm not entirely sure if this is the right subforum for this kind of thing...

Answer the following question with a simple yes or no. Please don't dodge the question; be serious for once.

If you had the opportunity to kill just one person without facing any legal consequences,
would you do it?

If your answer is yes, everyone else will view you as a psychopath in need of psychiatric help, while those others pretend to be morally superior innocents.
If your answer is no, everyone will know you're lying—even if they don't call you out on it—because it would be obvious they'd all lie too if they said no.

My answer is yes.


But why would anyone actually do it?😕 In what sense? Just because you find them annoying, or because you're a cannibal, or to push someone's buttons, or in self-defense?

And why do you assume that saying "no" is just people playing the saint?

Personally, I'm a vegetarian because the mere thought of someone being killed just to serve me dinner on a plate is horrifying—so how could I ever want to kill another person?

Does that mean the law is the only thing holding us back? And how did we even end up with laws like that in the first place, if it wasn't born from the collective conscience of our society?
Keith Lee2 Keith Lee2 Active Member
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#29 ·
Robin Palmer6 said:I'm not entirely sure if this is the right subforum for this kind of thing...

Answer the following question with a simple yes or no. Please don't dodge the question; be serious for once.

If you had the opportunity to kill just one person without facing any legal consequences,
would you do it?

If your answer is yes, everyone else will view you as a psychopath in need of psychiatric help, while those others pretend to be morally superior innocents.
If your answer is no, everyone will know you're lying—even if they don't call you out on it—because it would be obvious they'd all lie too if they said no.

My answer is yes.

Think about it this way:
If you had one shot—and that includes yourself—would you
use it on someone else, or would you save it for your own exit?
casualwolf12 casualwolf12 Member
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#30 ·
Robin Palmer6 said:I'm not entirely sure if this is the right subforum for this kind of thing...

Answer the following question with a simple yes or no. Please don't dodge the question; be serious for once.

If you had the opportunity to kill just one person without facing any legal consequences,
would you do it?

If your answer is yes, everyone else will view you as a psychopath in need of psychiatric help, while those others pretend to be morally superior innocents.
If your answer is no, everyone will know you're lying—even if they don't call you out on it—because it would be obvious they'd all lie too if they said no.

My answer is yes.

Absolutely.
And frankly, I wouldn't stop at just one.🤷
Mark Torres14 Mark Torres14 Regular
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#31 ·
casualwolf12 said:Absolutely.
And frankly, I wouldn't stop at just one.🤷

So how would you actually kill him? Give me some details.
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#32 ·
Mark Torres14 said:Read the last sentence of my quote again, Brenda Cook4.
For a reason to actually count, it has to be something society accepts.

Man, it looks like I totally missed that point. 🙂I don't get why a reason being "generally accepted" makes it okay to kill someone. Are you seriously suggesting that dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima was a justifiable excuse for all those deaths???

In my opinion, there’s a razor-thin line between the psychopaths who kill because they have some twisted motive and the soldiers, kamikazes, and whatever else you brought up...

Maybe the only real difference is just that the second group is "socially acceptable."
Eric Collins5 Eric Collins5 Active Member
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#33 ·
Robin Palmer6 said:I'm not entirely sure if this is the right subforum for this kind of thing...

Answer the following question with a simple yes or no. Please don't dodge the question; be serious for once.

If you had the opportunity to kill just one person without facing any legal consequences,
would you do it?

If your answer is yes, everyone else will view you as a psychopath in need of psychiatric help, while those others pretend to be morally superior innocents.
If your answer is no, everyone will know you're lying—even if they don't call you out on it—because it would be obvious they'd all lie too if they said no.

My answer is yes.

😵

So, do you have telepathic abilities or something? Is that how you reached these conclusions? 😂

The answer is no... ☕

EDIT:

If my own life were on the line, I think I could take someone out without even blinking...🙂

And honestly, I've always been pretty indifferent toward the death of others in general.
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#34 ·
Eric Collins5 said:😵

So, do you have telepathic abilities or something? Is that how you reached these conclusions? 😂

The answer is no... ☕

EDIT:

If my own life were on the line, I think I could take someone out without even blinking...🙂

And honestly, I've always been pretty indifferent toward the death of others in general.

Why do you assume your life carries more weight than anyone else's? If you're saying you could kill someone
"without blinking" if your life was at risk, then I really don't get why you answered "no" earlier.

* Personally, I don't think there's ever a justifiable reason for murder—it just doesn't exist...
Eric Collins5 Eric Collins5 Active Member
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#35 ·
Anonymous said:Why do you assume your life carries more weight than anyone else's? If you're saying you could kill someone
"without blinking" if your life was at risk, then I really don't get why you answered "no" earlier.

* Personally, I don't think there's ever a justifiable reason for murder—it just doesn't exist...

Because my life matters more to me than some stranger's does...🤷

I don't see anything controversial about what I said. Honestly, it's just common sense.🤷

Quincy:
If you had the chance to kill one person and face zero legal consequences,
would you do it?
I interpreted the question as: "I'm going out to murder someone just because they're getting on my nerves..."
You didn't?
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#36 ·
Eric Collins5 said:Because my life matters more to me than some stranger's does...🤷

I don't see anything controversial about what I said. Honestly, it's just common sense.🤷

Quincy:
If you had the chance to kill one person and face zero legal consequences,
would you do it?
I interpreted the question as: "I'm going out to murder someone just because they're getting on my nerves..."
You didn't?

Oh, I get it. So you wouldn't even sacrifice yourself to save someone else—like, say, your little sister if she were five years old (just as an example)—because your life is somehow more valuable than hers??

* You put it a bit bluntly there, but honestly, that's how I interpreted it too.🙂
Eric Collins5 Eric Collins5 Active Member
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#37 ·
Anonymous said:Oh, I get it. So you wouldn't even sacrifice yourself to save someone else—like, say, your little sister if she were five years old (just as an example)—because your life is somehow more valuable than hers??

* You put it a bit bluntly there, but honestly, that's how I interpreted it too.🙂

The Lone Ranger is a bit of an outlier, so I can't really speak for everyone.🙂

I don't know, maybe I would... 🤷

But look, let's be real here: by default, my own life feels more valuable than anyone else's. That's just how it is.
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#38 ·
Eric Collins5 said:The Lone Ranger is a bit of an outlier, so I can't really speak for everyone.🙂

I don't know, maybe I would... 🤷

But look, let's be real here: by default, my own life feels more valuable than anyone else's. That's just how it is.

Sure, that might be true, but saying it so bluntly feels a bit harsh. Personally, I’d weigh it differently—like, if I absolutely had to choose, I’d rather save a five-year-old girl over a hundred-year-old man.😁
casualwolf12 casualwolf12 Member
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#39 ·
Mark Torres14 said:So how would you actually kill him? Give me some details.

Well, what do I know? I suppose I would aim for something swift and painless. One shouldn't inflict unnecessary suffering, after all. If I were to conclude that an individual truly constitutes a malignant thread in the fabric of our society, I would simply seek to 'remove' them as humanely as possible.
Eric Collins5 Eric Collins5 Active Member
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#40 ·
Anonymous said:Sure, that might be true, but saying it so bluntly feels a bit harsh. Personally, I’d weigh it differently—like, if I absolutely had to choose, I’d rather save a five-year-old girl over a hundred-year-old man.😁

Look, what I'm trying to get at is that you're talking about a situation where someone is actively threatening a life. In a moment of pure survival, when everything is on the line... I honestly believe you could pull the trigger without even hesitating. 🤷

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