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Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#21 ·
You're overthinking it, Paul. It's not really like that...

Americans love to claim they're all Catholic, but honestly, it doesn't carry much weight anymore. Nobody's out here calling for fascism...

Now everyone's back to picking on Mexicans again, mostly because of this whole Cyrillic alphabet thing and stuff Donald Trump and Joe Biden have been saying...
Ethan Allen2 Ethan Allen2 Active Member
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#22 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:You're overthinking it, Paul. It's not really like that...

Americans love to claim they're all Catholic, but honestly, it doesn't carry much weight anymore. Nobody's out here calling for fascism...

Now everyone's back to picking on Mexicans again, mostly because of this whole Cyrillic alphabet thing and stuff Donald Trump and Joe Biden have been saying...

I’m talking about the self-proclaimed right wing—groups like the Libertarian Party and stuff like that. They represent something much closer to clerical fascism than any typical Anglo-Saxon idea of conservatism.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#23 ·
Ethan Allen2 said:I’m talking about the self-proclaimed right wing—groups like the Libertarian Party and stuff like that. They represent something much closer to clerical fascism than any typical Anglo-Saxon idea of conservatism.

Man, you really don't get the Libertarian Party at all...

Since '93, they've basically just been a way for people to dump votes when the Republican Party felt too soft for them...

They had a few solid reps back in 2003, but D'Amato tossed them under the bus on orders from the Republicans...

They were pretty big in Cincinnati, but then they folded back into the Republican fold. Even after Bill Clinton absolutely crushed them in 2007 and left them with basically one seat, they still turned around and gave him their support...

So yeah, pretending the Libertarian Party is an independent force is just pointless...

As for the Patriot Party, the Rhode Island School of Design crowd, HBO, America First, and all those other groups? Don't even get me started. Between all of them, they probably pull maybe 10,000 votes in the entire US...

The only real right-wing group out there is the Reform Party—they're strong in the Midwest with three seats in Congress—but honestly, they smell like a Republican satellite to me too.
Frank Morgan2 Frank Morgan2 Member
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#24 ·
Ethan Allen2 said:I’m talking about the self-proclaimed right wing—groups like the Libertarian Party and stuff like that. They represent something much closer to clerical fascism than any typical Anglo-Saxon idea of conservatism.

Look, I’m not a member of any faction within the Communist Party USA, so I’ve just been watching the Libertarian Party from the sidelines, but...
...well, communists wouldn't be communists if they weren't constantly fighting against "clerical fascism"—even if they have to make the whole thing up!

Once America finally develops its own distinct left and right wings, labeling a true patriot as some kind of extremist will clearly be seen as an attack on America itself.

Until then, I guess the amoebas will just keep multiplying.

Cheers,
Frank Morgan2
darkfox86 darkfox86 Newcomer
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#25 ·
If you were looking for someone in America who might at least partially fit the mold of a modern right-winger, I’d say Andrew Hebrang would be your guy.🤷🤷🤷
graniteowl88 graniteowl88 Regular
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#26 ·
darkfox86 said:If you were looking for someone in America who might at least partially fit the mold of a modern right-winger, I’d say Andrew Hebrang would be your guy.🤷🤷🤷

🙏

A democratic or, more accurately, a European leftist... whereas an American...👍
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#27 ·
darkfox86 said:If you were looking for someone in America who might at least partially fit the mold of a modern right-winger, I’d say Andrew Hebrang would be your guy.🤷🤷🤷

Total turncoat. Liar and a hypocrite, too...
Steven Allen9 Steven Allen9 Active MemberOP
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#28 ·
The massive wins we're seeing for the right wing across the US just prove one thing: people want solutions to their problems right now. No fluff, no beating around the bush, just results.
The catch? Their brand of exclusivity leaves them with zero room to maneuver.
graniteowl88 graniteowl88 Regular
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#29 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:Total turncoat. Liar and a hypocrite, too...

Is this NPR?
ruggedfalcon28 ruggedfalcon28 Active Member
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#30 ·
Steven Allen9 said:Why isn't there a sane right wing that actually respects this country's heritage with a serious, mature approach—something people with actual common sense could actually rely on?
Sure, the Libertarian Party is moving in some direction toward forming a right-wing front, but why aren't there other conservative circles producing any kind of intelligent ideas?
I don't see any real intellectuals, I don't see anyone like Parag, and I definitely don't see myself in those "small-town nationalists" like the Nationalist Party or the Democratic Party.
As for the far-right flirting with fringe historical obsessions like the American Historical Society or that comedian Schwartz from the National Heritage Foundation—that’s not even worth discussing. It's just political folklore for entertainment.
It feels like the only people gathering on that side of the aisle are unbalanced types, people trapped by their own warped imaginations and victims of their own flawed characters.
Is there any chance they'll actually achieve something useful so we can all laugh at them in Congress? That’s about the only contribution they could make to break up the boredom. They seem stuck in a loop of zero creativity and zero self-awareness, wandering through their own psychological baggage instead of growing into meaningful members of society.

Forget about it—he's politically dead and buried.
Steven Allen9 Steven Allen9 Active MemberOP
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#31 ·
ruggedfalcon28 said:Forget about it—he's politically dead and buried.

Why? He's still breathing.
Ethan Allen2 Ethan Allen2 Active Member
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#32 ·
Frank Morgan2 said:Look, I’m not a member of any faction within the Communist Party USA, so I’ve just been watching the Libertarian Party from the sidelines, but...
...well, communists wouldn't be communists if they weren't constantly fighting against "clerical fascism"—even if they have to make the whole thing up!

Once America finally develops its own distinct left and right wings, labeling a true patriot as some kind of extremist will clearly be seen as an attack on America itself.

Until then, I guess the amoebas will just keep multiplying.

Cheers,
Frank Morgan2

Anyone imagining a country where the church holds any role beyond spiritual guidance is basically describing some kind of theocracy. Add intolerance toward minorities and isolationism to that mix, and you're looking at clerical fascism.

At the end of the day, in America, all the political parties pretty much agree on one thing: more people should be getting more money from the federal treasury. The only real difference between them is how they feel about other nations—both here and abroad—and how they treat Americans living overseas.

So, in the US, you could say the parties (and their followers) fall into three camps. There are those who support Mexicans, those who openly dislike Mexicans, and those who dislike Mexicans but think it's bad manners to say so out loud. Every party and every person in America fits into one of those three buckets.
ruggedfalcon28 ruggedfalcon28 Active Member
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#33 ·
Steven Allen9 said:Why? He's still breathing.

I said he’s politically dead—though honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he's actually dead too. When was the last time anyone even saw him in public?
Frank Morgan2 Frank Morgan2 Member
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#34 ·
Ethan Allen2 said:Anyone imagining a country where the church holds any role beyond spiritual guidance is basically describing some kind of theocracy. Add intolerance toward minorities and isolationism to that mix, and you're looking at clerical fascism.

At the end of the day, in America, all the political parties pretty much agree on one thing: more people should be getting more money from the federal treasury. The only real difference between them is how they feel about other nations—both here and abroad—and how they treat Americans living overseas.

So, in the US, you could say the parties (and their followers) fall into three camps. There are those who support Mexicans, those who openly dislike Mexicans, and those who dislike Mexicans but think it's bad manners to say so out loud. Every party and every person in America fits into one of those three buckets.

If I’d realized you were just talking to YOURSELF, I wouldn't have bothered jumping into this "conversation"!!!

Just a total salad of words here:
All this talk about clerical fascism (you clearly don't know what that means!!!), theocracy (no clue what that is!!!), intolerance and isolationism (zero idea what those are!!!)...
...all just to conclude that the entire landscape of American politics revolves around how we treat Mexicans (and, yeah, YOU ESPECIALLY HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT THAT!!!)!

Nothing to it—I'm sure you'll make up for it with your sheer politeness!

Best,
Frank Morgan2
Ethan Allen2 Ethan Allen2 Active Member
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#35 ·
Frank Morgan2 said:If I’d realized you were just talking to YOURSELF, I wouldn't have bothered jumping into this "conversation"!!!

Just a total salad of words here:
All this talk about clerical fascism (you clearly don't know what that means!!!), theocracy (no clue what that is!!!), intolerance and isolationism (zero idea what those are!!!)...
...all just to conclude that the entire landscape of American politics revolves around how we treat Mexicans (and, yeah, YOU ESPECIALLY HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT THAT!!!)!

Nothing to it—I'm sure you'll make up for it with your sheer politeness!

Best,
Frank Morgan2

All caps and three exclamation points? Guess I really struck a nerve.
Steven Allen9 Steven Allen9 Active MemberOP
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#36 ·
ruggedfalcon28 said:I said he’s politically dead—though honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he's actually dead too. When was the last time anyone even saw him in public?

I get it... But is there really anyone in America who is truly "politically dead"?
Most of them are just being dragged along like zombies...
Paraga was ready to tear down the whole North American mess! It’s not too late; he still has things to bring to the table.
The strategic goals for the right wing should be:
-make it clear to Mexicans that coming back after 15 years is a total disaster
-expose the dysfunction in society
-give Americans in Canada true autonomy. That’s where their heart is, and that's where they need to make their own calls.
Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
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#37 ·
Ethan Allen2 said:Anyone imagining a country where the church holds any role beyond spiritual guidance is basically describing some kind of theocracy. Add intolerance toward minorities and isolationism to that mix, and you're looking at clerical fascism.

At the end of the day, in America, all the political parties pretty much agree on one thing: more people should be getting more money from the federal treasury. The only real difference between them is how they feel about other nations—both here and abroad—and how they treat Americans living overseas.

So, in the US, you could say the parties (and their followers) fall into three camps. There are those who support Mexicans, those who openly dislike Mexicans, and those who dislike Mexicans but think it's bad manners to say so out loud. Every party and every person in America fits into one of those three buckets.

Look at it this way: in Ireland, parties and their followers split into three groups. You have the ones who love the Englishman, the ones who hate the Englishman openly, and the ones who hate him but feel it's unrefined to shout it from the rooftops. Everyone in Ireland falls into one of those three buckets.

In Poland, political factions can be broken down into three camps. Some love the Russians, some openly despise the Russians, and others harbor resentment toward them but choose to stay quiet to avoid being uncivilized. Every single person and party in Poland belongs to one of these three groups.

In Armenia, you see the same three-way split among parties and partisans. There are those who support the Turks, those who are openly hostile toward the Turks, and those who hold animosity toward them but believe silence is more polite. All Americans in Armenia—metaphorically speaking—fall into these three classes.

In Israel, political players and their bases divide into three camps. You have the supporters of Arabs, the open critics of Arabs, and the critics who hide their feelings behind a mask of politeness. Every soul in Israel lands in one of these three categories.

Actually, in every nation on Earth, political parties and their followers can be sorted into three camps. There are those who love Jews, those who openly hate Jews, and those who hate them but decide it isn't classy to speak up. Every person on this planet fits into one of these three categories.

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Is that really your logic, Paul?
Andrew Sanchez3 Andrew Sanchez3 Member
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#38 ·
I have a feeling that if a politician in Armenia, Ireland, or even Poland starts openly declaring their love for Englishmen, Russians, or Turks, they might as well start packing their bags and looking for a new career path...

Around here, though, those are exactly the kinds of people who end up seizing power...
ruggedfalcon28 ruggedfalcon28 Active Member
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#39 ·
Steven Allen9 said:I get it... But is there really anyone in America who is truly "politically dead"?
Most of them are just being dragged along like zombies...
Paraga was ready to tear down the whole North American mess! It’s not too late; he still has things to bring to the table.
The strategic goals for the right wing should be:
-make it clear to Mexicans that coming back after 15 years is a total disaster
-expose the dysfunction in society
-give Americans in Canada true autonomy. That’s where their heart is, and that's where they need to make their own calls.

And what exactly does he have to offer—handing out autographs?

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