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What is power?

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brisktiger56 brisktiger56 Active Member
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#81 ·
Anonymous said:In principle, we're saying the same thing here. Every time you cave to fear, your power weakens. Every time you push through it, your power grows.
How do you overpower fear? Through will—through decision. We don't need to get bogged down in a deep dive into the mechanics of how willpower works. It's pretty straightforward, like the old saying goes: "you just have to find the strength." Once you muster that strength, the fear loses its grip, and that power becomes yours to use.

I feel like we’re all circling the same drain, just trying to pin down how these different pieces fit together...

We keep tossing around terms like power and fear, then you jump in with willpower, decisions, strength, and overcoming fear.

There’s a lot of stuff swirling around in this metaphorical pot, and I’m just trying to zoom out and see a clear picture. You know? Like, if you were trying to define darkness, you could go on forever, but the clearest way to put it is simply that darkness is what happens when light is absent.

So, following that logic, maybe power is just a state caused by the presence of... something, while powerlessness is just the absence of... something else.

Is power actually just the state of having willpower present?
And is being powerless just what happens when that will is missing?
brisktiger56 brisktiger56 Active Member
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#82 ·
Sam Hayes said:Power is ultimately just a matter of will...

or... does will just happen to be how power shows up?
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#83 ·
Power is essentially a state where we have total command over our own energy. The mechanism that drives this control is the will.
Does that mean the will itself is power?
I think we could argue that (though I’m still chewing on it).
Which naturally leads us to the big question: what exactly is the will?

I need to sit with this and wrap my head around it for a few hours.
brisktiger56 brisktiger56 Active Member
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#84 ·
I don’t really see willpower as being synonymous with power.

More like... willpower is just the trigger that lets power actually get to work.
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#85 ·
Power is really just the raw potential to act, but we’re the ones who actually give it substance through our intention. To me, it rests on two main pillars: first, the sheer will to make something happen, and second, the actual know-how—knowing exactly *how* to pull it off. If you're missing even one of those pieces, any sense of power you think you have is totally hollow, and it’ll turn into complete helplessness before you even realize it.
Lisa Morales4 Lisa Morales4 Active Member
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#86 ·
A complete visualization of motivation, fully immersed in your work and fused with the positive energy of an energized focus and total commitment to success
Bradley Howard6 Bradley Howard6 Newcomer
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#87 ·
🙏 Honestly, I wouldn't be able to make sense of a single damn review even after having eight beers 🙏
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#88 ·
Lisa Morales4 said:A complete visualization of motivation, fully immersed in your work and fused with the positive energy of an energized focus and total commitment to success

Wait, what even is this???

Man, talk about an enlightened clique!
Lisa Morales4 Lisa Morales4 Active Member
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#89 ·
Bradley Howard6 said:🙏 Honestly, I wouldn't be able to make sense of a single damn review even after having eight beers 🙏

Are you talking to me, or 🤔Nemruth Dag
?
Let me try paraphrasing what I meant: I just finished watching the Monte Carlo tennis finals
Nadal was totally in the zone—that’s why he dominated
Verdasco played incredibly well, but he was trying way too hard, and that’s ultimately what cost him

Nadal did exactly what champions do: he became one with the ball
He had already visualized every single shot and every strike before they even happened
He took his excitement and channeled it into pure focus, turning those positive emotions into total confidence in his victory

Verdasco is great, fantastic, truly exceptional
But he just couldn't get in sync with his game or even stay composed within himself
Which really just highlights how powerful Nadal was out there today

👍
Lisa Morales4 Lisa Morales4 Active Member
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#90 ·
wearyowl29 said:Wait, what even is this???

Man, talk about an enlightened clique!

😂 heh, look who finally decided to show up 🤣

knowing is a first step to understanding 🙂
honestly, I just assumed everyone already knew what it meant to be in the zone
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#91 ·
brisktiger56 said:I don’t really see willpower as being synonymous with power.

More like... willpower is just the trigger that lets power actually get to work.

Hmm... so willpower is like the control module, while power is just the raw potential we have sitting there ready to go.
It’s still messing with my head.
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#92 ·
wearyowl29 said:Power is really just the raw potential to act, but we’re the ones who actually give it substance through our intention. To me, it rests on two main pillars: first, the sheer will to make something happen, and second, the actual know-how—knowing exactly *how* to pull it off. If you're missing even one of those pieces, any sense of power you think you have is totally hollow, and it’ll turn into complete helplessness before you even realize it.

Can you dive a bit deeper into what you mean by "knowledge"?
I'm totally with you on the willpower part.
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#93 ·
Lisa Morales4;26192672 said::
lol: oh look, the kitty finally decided to show up 🤣

A little kitty walking softly and purring away... meow...

[I
]knowing is a first step to understanding 🙂[/I]
Man, I honestly thought everyone already knew what it meant to be in the zone

Look, this isn't some Ivy League seminar...
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#94 ·
Anonymous said:Can you dive a bit deeper into what you mean by "knowledge"?
I'm totally with you on the willpower part.

In this context, we're really talking about the exercise of power.
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#95 ·
wearyowl29 said:In this context, we're really talking about the exercise of power.

I'm still lost. Are you saying knowledge equals power?
The way modern society defines "knowledge"—just a bunch of data points and info—seems pretty irrelevant to me. Having actual insight or understanding matters, sure, but I'm not convinced it's strictly necessary.
Besides, you can follow your gut and intuition to get things done too.
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#96 ·
Anonymous said:I'm still lost. Are you saying knowledge equals power?
The way modern society defines "knowledge"—just a bunch of data points and info—seems pretty irrelevant to me. Having actual insight or understanding matters, sure, but I'm not convinced it's strictly necessary.
Besides, you can follow your gut and intuition to get things done too.

If you don't get it,😕 then you clearly haven't realized that you need to know exactly what you want and precisely how to pull it off (in political terms, let's call it having a strategic plan😁 ) when you're gunning for a position that comes with real authority.
When we talk about the classic skills needed to govern or manage complex systems—and yes, we are talking politics here—having access to information is a massive advantage. It’s a tool in the kit.
A top-tier politician isn't going to ignore their intuition or that "gut feeling" either. They use it to spot those subtle nuances or hidden angles that their opponents completely overlook.
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#97 ·
I wasn't talking about politics. I’m talking about personal power—not in some mechanical or social way, but primarily on a spiritual level, with the understanding that spiritual strength naturally translates into a certain kind of worldly influence.
When I say "spiritual," I don't just mean looking at saints; even magical power falls under that umbrella. I’m talking about the spiritual capacity inherent in any individual, whether they're a simple farmer out in the Midwest or an enlightened mystic. We all operate under the exact same principle.
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#98 ·
Anonymous said:I wasn't talking about politics. I’m talking about personal power—not in some mechanical or social way, but primarily on a spiritual level, with the understanding that spiritual strength naturally translates into a certain kind of worldly influence.
When I say "spiritual," I don't just mean looking at saints; even magical power falls under that umbrella. I’m talking about the spiritual capacity inherent in any individual, whether they're a simple farmer out in the Midwest or an enlightened mystic. We all operate under the exact same principle.

The principle is pretty much the same... having the will to act and the knowledge of how to act.
Some people might disagree with me here, but spiritual power doesn't have to be a bad thing for the person who holds it or for those around them. Of course, that’s assuming you can dodge all the usual traps that come with power. The real trick is making sure your own power doesn't lead you astray. If it does, suddenly the power is running the show instead of you...
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#99 ·
wearyowl29 said:The principle is pretty much the same... having the will to act and the knowledge of how to act.
Some people might disagree with me here, but spiritual power doesn't have to be a bad thing for the person who holds it or for those around them. Of course, that’s assuming you can dodge all the usual traps that come with power. The real trick is making sure your own power doesn't lead you astray. If it does, suddenly the power is running the show instead of you...

Having the will to act? I'm with you on that.
But the "know-how" part—I was actually talking about the specific choices that either boost or drain your influence. It can be incredibly simple stuff. Honestly, I’m still trying to wrap my head around exactly what kind of "knowledge" you're referring to.
To me, power is just potential we’ve built up and have at our disposal. I don't see it as inherently good or bad; it’s just something we shape.

Of course, that's assuming you can dodge all the usual traps. The main thing is making sure your own power doesn't end up controlling you. If it does, then it's the master and you're just the servant.

I don't really view that as power; to me, it looks more like a sickness. If it takes control of you, it's because fear took over. And fear is a disease, plain and simple.
That kind of situation might look like power in some ways—physical strength, or being a master manipulator—but it just can't hold a candle to true, righteous power. Good always wins in the end. A person acting with integrity will always be able to overpower someone who isn't.
brisktiger56 brisktiger56 Active Member
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#100 ·
hm... thinking of will as the steering module, while power is just the potential we have sitting there. It still trips me up a bit.

The whole OP thing bugs me because... wait, is this supposed to be about what someone's watching on TV?! Are we learning how to read now? Nemruth brings up politicians, but they aren't even part of the conversation. Is focusing that hard for you guys?

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Tony, if a person is physically and mentally sound, you can actually see their power in action when they use their free will—with a clear goal in mind—to execute a solid plan. That whole combination is what constitutes power. Maybe power (if you recall those elementary school lectures) is really just the union of all those elements; if you're missing even one piece of the puzzle, you won't be able to demonstrate any real power.

When someone starts a thread, they're essentially manifesting their power. I mean: they use their free will to write the OP, and they've got all the necessary prerequisites—the computer, the fingers hitting the keys, and the cash to pay the electric bill. Ultimately, it all results in power and the ability to draw people into the discussion.

I used to wonder how and when someone loses their power—like, does fear diminish their value, or... something else? Now, it seems to me that an individual's power is diminished whenever they're being deceived by someone else.

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