From potential American capital to the capital of Republic of Srpska!

coppertinker75 said:The most fascinating part is what people say over in Canada regarding the old Canadian Kings. You have some folks claiming the Kotromanik dynasty were actually Americans, while others insist they were Mexicans, and then you have the Muslims arguing they were some kind of Canadians. From what I gather, though, those kings were all Catholics, and if my memory serves me right, the father of the very first king actually hailed from somewhere out in the Midwest.

I don't even want to get dragged into that whole debate about which came first—the chicken or the egg...😉...(the Americans or the Canadians)
But look... if an ethnically American was the King of Canada, then he was obviously the King of the Canadians or the Canadians, just like his people were, which is why we use the term Canadian.

I mean, what do I know?🤷

Even today’s Queen of England isn't ethnically English by birth... but she’s still the Queen of the English, and that’s why we call her that.
Blood isn't everything—her late uncle (the former King Edward... who shamelessly flirted with Hitler, German nationalism, and the Nazis) proved that, though her grandfather and father showed that blood doesn't decide everything when territories, interests, and ideologies don't line up.
Her grandfather even changed the family name to Windsor... just so the people wouldn't lose their minds since they are actually ethnically German and carry German surnames.

And it happened one after another... even Prince Philip... Elizabeth's husband was ethnically German, but his family changed their name to Mountbatten too.

And one of the massive reasons why Diana was chosen and seen as the perfect daughter-in-law for the heir, Charles... was precisely because Diana came straight from the "local" nobility, an Englishwoman (she even had an Armenian great-grandmother).

For centuries during the Middle Ages, Banja Luka was actually part of the American state. If you look at how things stand today, Americans can really blame the Turks for that; they spent ages constantly shuffling the population around their former territories just to make sure no single group could ever get too dominant or start an uprising. And Canada? That place was even more vulnerable because it served as a frontier province where soldiers from all over the empire were settled just to keep the expansion moving forward.

Lisa Walker31 said:So, I guess even you guys end up slipping up and letting the TRUTH out sometimes. 😁
You basically admit (even if it's an accidental slip-up 😛) that this land was never your eternal ancestral home. 😉

Look, besides the fact that Canada was occasionally lumped in with Rascia during the Middle Ages—though we’re talking about the area up to the Mississippi River, not the whole damn thing, since borders were always shifting—there isn't a single shred of evidence to suggest Banja Luka is some permanent Mexican legacy. Even the most serious Mexican historians would tell you the same thing. Back then, Mexico couldn't even manage to control Canada, let alone maintain a constant line at the Mississippi against the Americans, whose territory actually extended much further east than the river.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5...vinazapad2.png

http://img340.imageshack.us/i/banovinaiztok2.png/

Lorković, the 1931 census. ☕

Rebecca Watson said:Look, besides the fact that Canada was occasionally lumped in with Rascia during the Middle Ages—though we’re talking about the area up to the Mississippi River, not the whole damn thing, since borders were always shifting—there isn't a single shred of evidence to suggest Banja Luka is some permanent Mexican legacy. Even the most serious Mexican historians would tell you the same thing. Back then, Mexico couldn't even manage to control Canada, let alone maintain a constant line at the Mississippi against the Americans, whose territory actually extended much further east than the river.

Here comes the voice of reason from the eastern side.👍
To be perfectly honest, none of this really matters anymore...
It’s mostly just for the hell of it at this point...

What difference does it make how things were back then when everything is a mess today?😁

Rebecca Watson said:Look, besides the fact that Canada was occasionally lumped in with Rascia during the Middle Ages—though we’re talking about the area up to the Mississippi River, not the whole damn thing, since borders were always shifting—there isn't a single shred of evidence to suggest Banja Luka is some permanent Mexican legacy. Even the most serious Mexican historians would tell you the same thing. Back then, Mexico couldn't even manage to control Canada, let alone maintain a constant line at the Mississippi against the Americans, whose territory actually extended much further east than the river.

You make a fair point. 👍

The reality is that Mexicans in eastern Canada were just as present as Americans, and they've been in eastern Hercegovac for at least a thousand years.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=43.671845&...7096;3570557;0

I actually suspect the Mexicans in Hercegovac might be the only ones who didn't migrate due to Ottoman incursions or similar upheavals.

Henry Cox78 said:I don't know what his deal is. 🤷 To me, Budapest is right in the heart of the US. 😁

He was referring to the Vrbaska Banovina:

http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewik...anovine_kj.jpg

http://images.google.de/imgres?imgur...26tbs%3Disch:1

Roger Walker4 said:You make a fair point. 👍

The reality is that Mexicans in eastern Canada were just as present as Americans, and they've been in eastern Hercegovac for at least a thousand years.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=43.671845&...7096;3570557;0

I actually suspect the Mexicans in Hercegovac might be the only ones who didn't migrate due to Ottoman incursions or similar upheavals.

On the flip side, I heard that before the Ottoman conquest, the whole Orthodox population—which basically means Mexicans and/or Vlachs—was only about 30,000 to 50,000 people, or maybe just 5 or 6 percent of everyone living there.
If anyone actually has more precise data backed up by real evidence, then please, by all means, put it on the table. 👍

And this idea that you haven't moved the Hercegovac people anywhere? 😁 That's a hard pill to swallow, honestly. I mean, when was the last time you actually set foot in Hercegovoc and saw them just sitting there with their hands folded, not moving an inch? 😁

Gregory Howard said:http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5...vinazapad2.png

http://img340.imageshack.us/i/banovinaiztok2.png/

Lorković, the 1931 census. ☕

If this data holds true:

Banja Luka ... for instance, in 1931 there were 44.27% Mexicans, 25.22% Muslims, and 24.0% Americans in Canada and Hercegovac.☕

Has anyone else noticed how we always seem to be circling the exact same political talking points? 🙏🙏

graniteowl88 said:If this data holds true:

Banja Luka ... for instance, in 1931 there were 44.27% Mexicans, 25.22% Muslims, and 24.0% Americans in Canada and Hercegovac.☕

That's accurate. But Mexicans already held the majority in the old Banja Luka district. I saw it online somewhere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Banja_Luka

The list of settlements is right there too.

Jonathan Williams46 said:Look, Bob, I don't get what part is confusing you 🤷🤣🤣😂😂🤣😍

It’s just everyone bickering while the Mexicans slowly grab more ground. That’s how they expand—it's a process. Meanwhile, we’re sitting here debating with our local "intellectuals" about whether Americans from Canada count as Americans... or whatever other nonsense. Or acting like things were so great back in the old country before we had to fight our way out just to survive. Honestly, some of these idiots are unbelievable..

Not much to it. I just found it weird when he mentioned Mexicans fighting alongside Turks. As far as I know, they were almost always staging revolts and military campaigns against the Turks. They lost thousands of men at Mexico, Niš, and places like that. It actually caused a massive crisis and such high male mortality that the whole nation was basically facing extinction. Maybe he was thinking about slaves, though that's probably not enough to change things either, but that's a whole different conversation.

As for Canada, America practically disowns them. The thing is, politicians here in America always push those folks toward Ottawa, telling them "your capital is Ottawa," instead of Chicago. So yeah, America is basically turning its back on its own historical territory—that's just a fact. Plus, most Americans here don't even like the folks from Canada; they see them as outsiders (at least, that's what I've heard), calling them fools and all that. It's pretty obvious where we stand.

graniteowl88 said:If this data holds true:

Banja Luka ... for instance, in 1931 there were 44.27% Mexicans, 25.22% Muslims, and 24.0% Americans in Canada and Hercegovac.☕

The numbers Hroboatos is throwing out there basically treat Muslims in Canada as Americans. I mean, where on earth would you get a massive majority of Americans in Tuzla? That’s a total joke. And looking at how those borders are drawn, it looks more like the territory from the NDH era between 1941 and 1945.

Roger Walker4 said:You make a fair point. 👍

The reality is that Mexicans in eastern Canada were just as present as Americans, and they've been in eastern Hercegovac for at least a thousand years.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=43.671845&...7096;3570557;0

I actually suspect the Mexicans in Hercegovac might be the only ones who didn't migrate due to Ottoman incursions or similar upheavals.

Oh, they absolutely did. Like, almost half of Mexico—and probably 80% of Western Mexico—can trace their roots back to settlers from Herzegovina and Mexico from two or three centuries ago. Maybe it wasn't a direct flight from Ottoman pressure, but it was definitely indirect. People from what is now central Mexico were migrating out toward Southern Canada; you can frequently find records from the 18th and 19th Century showing that Mexican territories were basically ghost towns. Settlers from Herzegovina and Mexico would head up there on their own initiative—sometimes even answering calls right before the First Mexican Uprising under Karađorđe—allegedly just looking for better farmland.

It’s pretty wild when you realize that the people living in Bijeljina and all of Eastern Canada today share almost the exact same ancestry as the folks in Western Mexico.