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Alright, bit of a tangent here, but I gotta know—why isn't pedophilia (along with the sexual abuse of the mentally disabled and animals) strictly punished harder? Why the hell isn't it?😠
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Betty Foster5 As I was saying:
Look, I know I’m veering off on a tangent here, but I can’t help myself. I’ve been sitting here thinking about why pedophilia—not to mention the sexual abuse of the mentally disabled or animals—is treated with such specific weight in these discussions. It’s a heavy topic, but it deserves a direct look. I've been thinking about this more lately, and honestly, it just gets under my skin how much people try to gloss over the details. It’s one thing to talk about history in a textbook, but it’s another thing entirely when you realize how deep the systemic issues actually go. I remember sitting in a coffee shop back in Chicago, reading some old reports, and it hit me—this isn't just some isolated mistake from the past. It's a pattern. It's a way of doing things that prioritizes the institution over everything else, even when it's clearly wrong. You see it happening again and again, where the rules they set up for themselves end up being used to shield themselves rather than protect anyone. It makes you wonder how much of what we consider "truth" is actually just whatever the powers that be decided was acceptable at the time. It's infuriating. No punishment? Are you kidding me? Why the hell not?😠
Hannah White2 said:This whole pedophilia mess is basically the final nail in the coffin for the KC, and honestly, I don't see anything redeeming about that organization anymore.
Whenever I'm flipping through some documentary, it's wild how the word "Scientist" is treated with such reverence—it's like they’re trying to recapture that old-school authority priests used to carry back in the day.
George Morgan3 said:But let’s be real—it was actually the priests who were the scientists and the architects behind almost all the scientific theories that modern atheists now swear by... everything from the Big Bang to evolution...
Academic Paar: Back then, the Church was actually home to plenty of theologians and astronomers who believed the Earth moved—just as many others believed the exact opposite. Towering above all of them was Cardinal Robert Bellarmine. He’s famous for spearheading that first trial against Galileo, sure, but he was also someone who demanded actual scientific evidence during his debates. Honestly, the whole idea that he was some narrow-minded fanatic is a total misconception; the man was an astronomer himself and—this part is rarely mentioned—he studied astronomy at the very same university as Galileo Galileo. Based on the case documents I’ve poured over, Bellarmine actually told Galileo that the Church would be perfectly fine accepting the idea of a moving Earth, provided he could produce hard scientific proof. But here's the kicker: Galileo didn't have that proof. That’s the entire crux of the story. Instead, he leaned heavily on theological arguments—which, let's face it, he was quite skilled at, given he was a formidable theologian in his own right. Of course, things got messy when they got tangled up in various theological disputes, Protestant interference attacking Church doctrine for being revisionist, and all sorts of other factors that had absolutely nothing to do with science. Furthermore, it's little known that Galileo was a personal friend of Pope Paul V; he’d visit frequently, and the two would spend entire afternoons strolling through the gardens, deep in discussion, because the Pope himself was deeply fascinated by scientific inquiry. Therefore, everything most people think they know about the "Galileo affair"—all those textbook versions we've been fed for years—is essentially a historical fabrication. Galileo acted strictly as a man of the Church, yet he wanted the Church to shift its theological stances, which is really the heart of the matter. It was in this spirit that the late Pope John Paul II stepped forward in 1992 to rehabilitate Galileo, noting that while the Church was wrong to exercise judicial authority, it was actually correct regarding the lack of Galileo's scientific evidence. Today, the Church also acknowledges that Galileo was right to move away from a literal theological interpretation. So, what we really saw was one of history's most fascinating intellectual clashes between two thinkers, Galileo and Bellarmine. Most modern scientific studies now agree: Bellarmine was right on the scientific front since Galileo lacked the data, but Galileo was right on the theological interpretation side.
George Morgan3 said:But let’s be real—it was actually the priests who were the scientists and the architects behind almost all the scientific theories that modern atheists now swear by... everything from the Big Bang to evolution...
George Morgan3 said:Ah, Galileo...Academic Paar: Back then, the Church was actually home to plenty of theologians and astronomers who believed the Earth moved—just as many others believed the exact opposite. Towering above all of them was Cardinal Robert Bellarmine. He’s famous for spearheading that first trial against Galileo, sure, but he was also someone who demanded actual scientific evidence during his debates. Honestly, the whole idea that he was some narrow-minded fanatic is a total misconception; the man was an astronomer himself and—this part is rarely mentioned—he studied astronomy at the very same university as Galileo Galileo. Based on the case documents I’ve poured over, Bellarmine actually told Galileo that the Church would be perfectly fine accepting the idea of a moving Earth, provided he could produce hard scientific proof. But here's the kicker: Galileo didn't have that proof. That’s the entire crux of the story. Instead, he leaned heavily on theological arguments—which, let's face it, he was quite skilled at, given he was a formidable theologian in his own right. Of course, things got messy when they got tangled up in various theological disputes, Protestant interference attacking Church doctrine for being revisionist, and all sorts of other factors that had absolutely nothing to do with science. Furthermore, it's little known that Galileo was a personal friend of Pope Paul V; he’d visit frequently, and the two would spend entire afternoons strolling through the gardens, deep in discussion, because the Pope himself was deeply fascinated by scientific inquiry. Therefore, everything most people think they know about the "Galileo affair"—all those textbook versions we've been fed for years—is essentially a historical fabrication. Galileo acted strictly as a man of the Church, yet he wanted the Church to shift its theological stances, which is really the heart of the matter. It was in this spirit that the late Pope John Paul II stepped forward in 1992 to rehabilitate Galileo, noting that while the Church was wrong to exercise judicial authority, it was actually correct regarding the lack of Galileo's scientific evidence. Today, the Church also acknowledges that Galileo was right to move away from a literal theological interpretation. So, what we really saw was one of history's most fascinating intellectual clashes between two thinkers, Galileo and Bellarmine. Most modern scientific studies now agree: Bellarmine was right on the scientific front since Galileo lacked the data, but Galileo was right on the theological interpretation side.
By the way, during the four days of the trial, he was housed in a manor house with nine servants.
bluemarlin19 said:So, here’s the bottom line: a scientist puts forward a theory, then he’s forced to defend it right in front of a religious institution. If that religious body decides they don't like his ideas, they burn his books, ban his work, and basically threaten to kill him unless he recants everything.
But honestly? I still don't see how this connects to priests committing child abuse and the Church covering it up. I mean, maybe if you look really hard, there's a common thread regarding protecting authority, but that's about it.
George Morgan3 said:In second grade at Elementary School, we're basically just testing reading comprehension.
Bryan Kern7 said:I noticed that not a single victim has spoken up on this thread yet, so I guess I'll go first.
When I was thirteen, a priest in my parish tried to rape me. I feel incredibly lucky that he didn't succeed in what he was planning... but I later found out he was doing this constantly. My then-friend's sister was one of his victims, too. When her family actually tried to report him, they were met with a warning from the Church stating that if they went through with it, they would be excommunicated and branded for life. I don't know if they eventually reached some kind of settlement to keep their mouths shut, but that was the threat.
The priest was young, maybe around thirty, and he had been hired to teach religion at the local elementary school. It wasn't until several girls and their families complained to the principal about him touching them inappropriately that he finally lost his job and was transferred to a different parish.
I heard that in that second parish, he tried the same thing with another girl, but her father handled it in a much more "direct" way since the Church refused to do anything. He beat the man like a dog, after which the priest was shuffled off to yet another parish.
The last time I saw him was during a papal visit in Los Angeles; he was still in his priestly robes. He actually recognized me and had the nerve to praise me, mentioning how well things were going in his new parish.
After that, it hit me: the Church is never going to change. They will always protect their own, no matter the cost.
An experience like that absolutely destroys a child and leaves a mark that lasts a lifetime. When you're a kid and you believe in a priest—someone you confess to, someone you truly see as a representative of God's will on earth—once that trust is broken, nothing is ever the same again.
Of course, they are humans and sinners just like everyone else, but when you're a child, you don't see it that way. You can't even fathom that they are capable of such things. And you can bet your life that a parent's last thought would ever be to let their child be alone with a priest, because they know he could absolutely wreck them.
Bottom line: we need much stricter punishments for pedophilia. Honestly, the Pope should consider allowing priests to marry; that might solve at least part of the problems that stem from celibacy.
George Morgan3 said:But let’s be real—it was actually the priests who were the scientists and the architects behind almost all the scientific theories that modern atheists now swear by... everything from the Big Bang to evolution...
Bryan Kern7 said:Yeah, unfortunately, I've noticed that a lot of people just don't grasp how heavy their crimes actually are.
This happened to me sixteen years ago, and honestly, I still replay every single moment of it in my head. It completely flipped my life upside down. Back then, you just didn't talk about this stuff. To be blunt, I hadn't even heard the word pedophilia before; I had no clue what it even meant. Times have changed, obviously. Everything is out there on the internet now, and more kids are aware of the issue. I can find information or look for help whenever I need it, but even with all that access, some people still stubbornly refuse to admit the problem exists or how widespread it really is. And when someone goes through this, their first instinct is to stay quiet and feel ashamed. They end up thinking they’re the ones at fault, and of course, nobody wants to believe them because they're just a child.
Hannah White2 said:This whole pedophilia mess is basically the final nail in the coffin for the KC, and honestly, I don't see anything redeeming about that organization anymore.
Whenever I'm flipping through some documentary, it's wild how the word "Scientist" is treated with such reverence—it's like they’re trying to recapture that old-school authority priests used to carry back in the day.
George Morgan3 said:But let’s be real—it was actually the priests who were the scientists and the architects behind almost all the scientific theories that modern atheists now swear by... everything from the Big Bang to evolution...
bluemarlin19 said:I am truly sorry you had to go through that, but I’m glad you aren't staying silent about it.
I didn't want to pry too much since I know this hits close to home, but did you ever talk to that friend of yours—the one he assaulted—after seeing him at the Holy Father's reception?
How many people actually know the truth about what went down?
Do they know he was just shuffled from one parish to another?
Who did you reach out to? Was it local people, or did you try contacting someone higher up in the Church?
For God's sake, why didn't anyone just go to the police?
Thank you.
Bryan Kern7 said:I didn't know about that, and my friend didn't even know he had done that to her sister. To be honest, the victim was an 11-year-old girl, so she was younger than both of us, and her family didn't find out until two or three months later because they didn't notice any symptoms right away. The little girl started acting very withdrawn, wetting the bed, waking up screaming... so they took her to a psychologist, but she still wouldn't say anything. It wasn't until one day when her sister told my story, confessing that the same thing had happened to her—except he managed to rape her😢. At first, they reached out to the head of the church and wrote letters, even to the Archbishop, from what she told me. As for the police, I think they said they weren't believed because so many months had passed that it couldn't be proven
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That girl still sees a psychiatrist to this day. And after everything the Church threatened them with, it wasn't even surprising to her that they just move him from parish to parish, though he gets a different name in every single one—in one he’s Father Joseph, in another Father Anthony, and so on.
Even though he didn't physically succeed with me, because I was a bit older and knew a few things, the psychological part is still the absolute worst. You end up blaming yourself, and that feeling of total helplessness in the moment... that panic that grips you when you have no idea what to do, just trying to figure out how to get out of the situation.
Because that priest was young and charming; he wasn't physically repulsive like some men, and that’s the worst part of all. That day, I went to the parish office—which is only ten meters from the church and has soundproofing so you can't hear anything inside the church—to get a baptismal certificate. When I walked into the office, that priest was there along with an older man. He handed me the baptismal book to look through, and while I was sitting there leafing through that massive book, the older priest left, and this guy locked the door and pulled out the key... I saw it out of the corner of my eye. In that split second, all I could think about was how to get out. I knew screaming wouldn't help. It's just that feeling of standing on the edge of a cliff.
I tried to concentrate and acted like everything was normal while he issued the certificate, stamped it, and then acted like he was going to walk me out. As he approached the door and I stood behind him waiting—hoping maybe he would actually open the door—he turned around, grabbed me with both arms, and said he had locked us in so no one else would disturb us and that no one outside could hear a thing... as if we were completely alone.
I told him I was in a hurry to get to school and asked him to let me go, but he just said he was only a friend and wanted what was best for me. Then he asked me if we were good friends. In that moment, I just played along because, honestly, I didn't have another choice. I wasn't six feet tall with a razor, and he was a huge guy, like 6'0", who always bragged about working out every day and playing soccer; he was way stronger than me. So, I told him we were friends. After that, he gave this little smirk and said if we were friends, then I should kiss him on the cheek, because that's what friends do, and that even Jesus did it. All the while, he kept me held tight in his arms, and with one hand, he was touching my back and my neck... I asked him what would happen if I didn't want to kiss him on the cheek, and he said we'd just have to play in a slightly different way. I saw this flash of a psychopath in his eyes, but he kept speaking in that calm, sweet, gentle voice with a smile on his face... I had no choice, so I kissed him on the cheek.
Then he goes and says it's just "the second kiss," and I actually did it—then he claims that true friends kiss each other on the mouth. While his hand was sliding down my backside and trying to shove itself between my legs, something inside me just snapped. I somehow managed to wiggle out of it, even though he had me pinned against the door with his arms wrapped around me, and I was stuck right between his legs. He was holding me tight, trapping me with his legs too. So, while I kept telling him I had to hurry to school or I’d be late, I slowly raised my knee and pressed it right against his groin—his penis was basically crushed against me because he was rubbing it against me so hard. I told him, with a smile on my face and trying not to panic, that if he didn't let me go, I'd be forced to use my knee. He scowled at me and said, "Oh, I didn't know you did martial arts," then mentioned his keys were in his right pocket. I kept my knee clamped firmly against his junk the whole time, grabbed the keys, unlocked the door, and bolted as fast as my legs could carry me...
So that’s my story. It wasn't a full-blown rape, but he absolutely groped me with his hands, rubbed himself all over me (he was wearing a robe, obviously), and left me feeling incredibly dirty, ashamed, and sick to my stomach.
I've noticed that since that day, I can't stand it when people get too close or invade my personal space; it triggers an immediate panic attack. I'm also completely allergic to being touched or poked, which is a huge issue with my partner, but luckily he's understanding about it... Honestly, even today, whenever I remember that feeling, I break out in a cold sweat, especially if someone gives me a firm hug...