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Why is there such a "God complex" among doctors?

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granitefalcon26 granitefalcon26 Active Member
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#41 ·
wearybison35 said:Look, I'll admit I don't live on some remote island or out in the middle of nowhere, but that doesn't mean I'm some blind New Yorker who can't see past the streets of Manhattan or Arlington...
The reality is that most Americans live in big cities or suburbs close enough to urban centers where there's actually decent healthcare available beyond just a local GP... those isolated spots you're talking about are relatively rare and pretty sparsely populated anyway...

As for the pay, like @quant7 mentioned, it’s low for everyone in the public sector, though it's roughly proportional to what they make abroad... The real kicker is that our doctors—well, a huge chunk of them—are working themselves to death because of the massive staffing shortages... And honestly, if you ask me, there really ought to be a much more significant gap between what a doctor makes and everyone else working in the public sector...

Exactly. That’s the whole point. I’m basically on call 24/7, thirty days a month. You know what that means? I’m glued to my phone like a clingy girlfriend. There are so few of us left. I can't even take a vacation if I actually wanted to. They literally have to post a job opening just to find someone to cover for me while I'm away.
Daniel Wilson5 Daniel Wilson5 Active Member
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#42 ·
granitefalcon26 said:Exactly. That’s the whole point. I’m basically on call 24/7, thirty days a month. You know what that means? I’m glued to my phone like a clingy girlfriend. There are so few of us left. I can't even take a vacation if I actually wanted to. They literally have to post a job opening just to find someone to cover for me while I'm away.

Whoa, okay, then I definitely know who's buying the coffee! Since on-call pay is always an extra perk, let's run the numbers... hmmm, we're talking a pretty decent chunk of change here. 🙂
driftingbadger5 driftingbadger5 Member
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#43 ·
1. Med school is the absolute grind because it takes forever: 6+1 years. Most other degrees are just 3+2, but with medicine, you aren't even a real doctor until you specialize—and that can take anywhere from 3 years for a family practitioner to 6 years for a neurosurgeon.

2. Being a doctor isn't just about what you know; it’s about the massive responsibility you carry.

3. The average specialist makes about twice the average American salary. Globally, specialists usually pull in 4-5 times the national average, though in the US, they actually make about 10 times the average American wage.

4. Everyone loves to whine about patient rights, but what about patient responsibilities?

5. America has solid medical expertise, but the healthcare system is a disaster, mostly because people are too uneducated to realize that staying healthy is their job, not just the doctor's. In a modern society, 99% of health is in the hands of the individual. Americans have zero hygiene or wellness culture, so it’s no shock that life expectancy is among the lowest in the West: 75 years. That’s lower than Belize or Mexico; even a struggling place like Cuba or Albania has better life expectancy. On top of that, the US ranks second in Europe for heart attack deaths among men under 65.

6. If you ask me, everyone should pay for health insurance based on their own risk factors (like if they ignore medical advice). For example: standard insurance might be $100 a month, but if you smoke, are obese, or a heavy drinker, expect to pay $500 a month.

7. Think about how much money is wasted just because people are too lazy to pick up their prescriptions or go grab their lab results.

8. If you don't like public services, go private. It's actually more cost-effective than seeing an auto mechanic or a hair stylist. For instance, getting a CT scan
is $167, which is basically like getting a slightly better haircut or spending thirty minutes at a tire shop.

9. Americans don't respect doctors because they view them as a given, whereas they'll jump to pay a mechanic or a tire guy to maintain their luxury cars. If you don't pay for it directly out of your pocket, you don't value it. I'm all for the European model: you pay upfront, and then (depending on your coverage) you file with your insurance for a reimbursement. You get 100% back if you have a top-tier plan, or 0% if you have nothing. "Free" care should be reserved for ER visits, oncology, and other terminal stuff. But if you have diabetes and keep eating junk and refusing to lose weight? Pay for your own meds. Patients today think they're too smart for their own good; this isn't a flea market. Patients need to realize that having rights also means having obligations.🙂

10. Honestly, I don't think doctors are respected in America at all; they're treated like janitors. This country respects athletes, singers, and those "manager" types (think guys like Todoric or Kerum).
So, don't be surprised when, five years from now, you're being treated by Romanians, Bulgarians, or Turks (once they join the EU).😉
Daniel Wilson5 Daniel Wilson5 Active Member
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#44 ·
Family medicine specialists are arguably the most vital figures in the entire healthcare system. At the primary care level, they act as the gatekeepers for secondary and tertiary services; the quality of patient care and how much taxpayer money the government burns depends entirely on their initial assessment. Primary care should be the backbone of the whole system because these doctors cover everything—they need a massive breadth of medical knowledge and skills that extend far beyond just one niche. Honestly, if you have a solid family doctor, you’re practically set for life...
Let's be real: nobody has the kind of money to just "hire" a doctor privately. Unless you're in the field, you have no idea how brutal this job actually is. It’s impossible to grasp the sheer weight of responsibility, the effort, the diligence, and the constant mental sharpness required. I guarantee you that the average person doesn't make as many critical decisions in a year as a doctor makes in a single day. In my opinion, it’s one of the most comprehensive and taxing professions in existence today. They live under constant scrutiny, facing endless questioning and criticism from supervisors, colleagues, and the public alike. Most people would end up in a psych ward; I'd argue not everyone is cut out to be a doctor. And don't even get me started on the relationship with patients who harass them whenever they get the chance. Their field is almost hermetically sealed, and even though the training system isn't quite as broken as other sectors in the USA (though it’s certainly seen better days) and seems cohesive, they are largely left to rely on themselves and their own judgment every single day...
Of course, there's a darker side to the story. You see plenty of examples of unethical doctors who have gone way too far—there are quite a few of them. But then again, there are also truly wonderful people serving as physicians.
People, please, love your doctors. They are your lifesavers... 😉))))
Michael Ortiz68 Michael Ortiz68 Regular
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#45 ·
First off, to those claiming a hypochondriac can provide a better diagnosis than a medical professional: feel free to seek your medical advice and treatment plans from that hypochondriac or some herbalist in the woods. There are far too many people on this planet ☕

The whole subject is a total facepalm, but I’m actually interested in something else:

Reading through this thread and others on the forum, one could conclude that for us Americans:

a.) all doctors are arrogant hacks
b.) all economists are incompetent and overabundant
c.) all professors are equally useless and responsible for the failure of our education system
d.) all lawyers are overpriced and condescending
e.) all politicians are corrupt and crooked...

So now I’m curious—what exactly is considered a desirable or noble profession in the USA? In other words, what should a person do to be accepted as a "normal" member of society here? A waiter, a flooring specialist 😕 (to be clear, I’m not devaluing those jobs, just throwing out ideas)
goldenmason32 goldenmason32 Newcomer
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#46 ·
I mean, don't you see? According to the data from Quant 7, doctors should probably be working as waiters instead of focusing on private practice...🙄
Susan Lewis2 Susan Lewis2 Member
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#47 ·
Personally, I’ve had quite extensive experience navigating the healthcare system because, unfortunately, I’ve struggled with my health since I was very young.
For many practitioners, I have nothing but praise—particularly regarding certain specialists, chief physicians, and truly elite experts. The level of care I received was top-tier, and I suspect I wouldn't have found anything superior even if I had traveled abroad (at least in my experience, as there were two specific instances where their expertise literally saved my life).
However, I find myself wondering if we should also address the darker side of things: the subset of doctors who lack a sense of duty and commit serious errors. What is the actual state of affairs here regarding accountability—whether it lies with the individual doctor, the hospital, or whoever is ultimately responsible when a patient suffers due to negligence?
If anyone has any insight into this, I would appreciate it if you could share.
I am thinking specifically of those harrowing cases that have dominated the news over the last year or two, where children were discharged prematurely because they were hastily misdiagnosed and simply didn't make it through the night. Or perhaps the mothers who clearly signaled they were experiencing complications, only to be ignored, leading to devastating outcomes (for instance, that recent case involving a woman who developed a severe infection postpartum; no one took her concerns seriously until she ended up in an emergency surgery at a major hospital in New York City, only for it to be revealed in her discharge papers that a surgical gauze had been left inside her, which was the root cause of all her suffering).
A while back, my own family dealt with a situation where it was later proven that someone lost vision in one eye because of a massive blunder during a routine procedure, yet predictably, there was never any compensation or even a simple apology.
Unless someone is exceptionally persistent, they might eventually secure some form of settlement—much like the high-profile cases we see involving people like Todoric—but the initial instinct in most institutions seems to be to cover up medical errors whenever they occur.
To reiterate, while I want to offer my sincere thanks to the many conscientious and honest physicians I know, I am genuinely curious about your thoughts on why the culture here makes it so rare for medical mistakes to be acknowledged, and why it is so seldom that anyone is held truly accountable.
goldenmason32 goldenmason32 Newcomer
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#48 ·
Susan Lewis2 said:Personally, I’ve had quite extensive experience navigating the healthcare system because, unfortunately, I’ve struggled with my health since I was very young.
For many practitioners, I have nothing but praise—particularly regarding certain specialists, chief physicians, and truly elite experts. The level of care I received was top-tier, and I suspect I wouldn't have found anything superior even if I had traveled abroad (at least in my experience, as there were two specific instances where their expertise literally saved my life).
However, I find myself wondering if we should also address the darker side of things: the subset of doctors who lack a sense of duty and commit serious errors. What is the actual state of affairs here regarding accountability—whether it lies with the individual doctor, the hospital, or whoever is ultimately responsible when a patient suffers due to negligence?
If anyone has any insight into this, I would appreciate it if you could share.
I am thinking specifically of those harrowing cases that have dominated the news over the last year or two, where children were discharged prematurely because they were hastily misdiagnosed and simply didn't make it through the night. Or perhaps the mothers who clearly signaled they were experiencing complications, only to be ignored, leading to devastating outcomes (for instance, that recent case involving a woman who developed a severe infection postpartum; no one took her concerns seriously until she ended up in an emergency surgery at a major hospital in New York City, only for it to be revealed in her discharge papers that a surgical gauze had been left inside her, which was the root cause of all her suffering).
A while back, my own family dealt with a situation where it was later proven that someone lost vision in one eye because of a massive blunder during a routine procedure, yet predictably, there was never any compensation or even a simple apology.
Unless someone is exceptionally persistent, they might eventually secure some form of settlement—much like the high-profile cases we see involving people like Todoric—but the initial instinct in most institutions seems to be to cover up medical errors whenever they occur.
To reiterate, while I want to offer my sincere thanks to the many conscientious and honest physicians I know, I am genuinely curious about your thoughts on why the culture here makes it so rare for medical mistakes to be acknowledged, and why it is so seldom that anyone is held truly accountable.

What you mentioned is straight-up criminal. In an operating room, every single sponge and every piece of gauze placed in the surgical field must be accounted for. Likewise, at the end of a procedure, every scrap of gauze removed must be counted.
Why do these mistakes happen? Why are children being discharged from the ER? It’s simple. Doctors aren't machines. They are just human beings. There are far too many overnight shifts in the emergency departments. No one seems to check if a person can actually handle the strain. Usually, it's the younger staff who suffer most, working around the clock without being paid a dime extra for it. Those are essentially training shifts.
In every shift, there is a limited number of beds. The colleague ahead of you might not care whether they leave a bed free for you or not. You can show up for your shift only to find there isn't a single empty bed available. And then, you're just left to figure it out...
On the other hand, the senior staff is either sleeping or on call at home. If you admit a patient, they yell at you for taking them. If you turn a patient away, you could end up in the headlines. If you call them, they scream at you for half an hour about why you woke them up.
It is such an ungrateful profession, working day and night and not seeing a penny for it...😢
Susan Rodriguez72 Susan Rodriguez72 Member
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#49 ·
Sarah Wood8 said:It’s honestly pathetic how your average hypochondriac usually ends up knowing more about medicine than actual doctors, often diagnosing themselves before a professional can even step into the room.
Most of these physicians are just straight-up nerds who don't actually grasp the fundamentals, which is a tragedy. Being a doctor is arguably the most responsible job out there, yet it usually boils down to people being nothing more than arrogant pretenders.
It reminds me of that news story from yesterday where a woman was complaining about abdominal pain, only for them to dismiss her as a liar—then they actually left a surgical tool inside her and tried to cover the whole thing up once it came to light.
In my opinion, people like that have no business holding a medical degree.
The issue isn't just the fact that they left an instrument inside her; the real problem is their dismissive reaction to her pain and their complete lack of initiative to even order an X-ray, followed by that blatant attempt at a cover-up. People with that mindset simply CANNOT be doctors.

Is there any point in even discussing this? Or are we just wasting our breath? kaže:
🤦
I honestly can't believe someone actually thinks this way...

Neither do I.

So, someone actually diagnosed themselves with hypochondria? Give me a break. Honestly, there’s nothing quite like watching people flood the ER just because they found a tiny red spot on their arm and are suddenly convinced they have HIV. Isn't that just peak comedy?
Is it true that doctors can make mistakes? Well, obviously. But then again, who among us doesn't?
May they all be struck by lightning! 🙄

And let’s not forget the fact that during our freshman orientation, we were told we were part of some intellectual and social elite. Doesn't that just practically guarantee a future filled with arrogance and self-importance?

Is it just me, or is there a certain level of sheer malice behind the idea that someone is somehow "higher class" simply because they’re studying medicine or some other prestigious field? Is that really how we're measuring human value now?
Medicine is tough, sure. But let's be honest—plenty of other majors are just as grueling. If you have an IQ north of 110 and enough willpower to actually stick with it, you can graduate from any program, right?

Medical school is easily the most brutal path out there, isn't it? It’s a marathon, not a sprint—you're looking at seven long years before you even see the light at the end of the tunnel.
A doctor carries more than just medical expertise; they carry a profound responsibility, don't they?
Is it really any surprise that the average specialist physician's salary is double the national average? Does anyone actually expect anything different?
Everyone seems obsessed with talking about patient rights, but what about the responsibilities of the patient?
The US has world-class medicine, but the healthcare system itself? It’s an absolute train wreck.
If you ask me, everyone should pay their health insurance premiums based on the actual risks they choose to take—especially when they’re blatantly ignoring medical advice. Is it really fair for the rest of us to foot the bill for someone else's reckless lifestyle?

The hardest part? Please. Is that really their justification for acting like they’re some kind of elite class? I wonder what those folks over at Wall Street would say if they had to deal with a "5+1" situation just to be considered valuable. Spoilers: they aren't.
Of course there's accountability! Every single profession carries it. Would you really board a plane if you weren't certain the mechanic had taken full responsibility for inspecting your aircraft before takeoff?
The salary is exactly what you'd expect to find here in America. What else would you hope for? You could always try your luck in the private sector, I suppose.
And what exactly are the responsibilities of the patient?
I'm in total agreement.
So, you’re telling me this is how they run things in the USA? Is it a good system? Hardly. It's an absolute disaster!
goldenmason32 goldenmason32 Newcomer
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#50 ·
Susan Rodriguez72 said:
Is there any point in even discussing this? Or are we just wasting our breath? kaže:
🤦
I honestly can't believe someone actually thinks this way...

Neither do I.

So, someone actually diagnosed themselves with hypochondria? Give me a break. Honestly, there’s nothing quite like watching people flood the ER just because they found a tiny red spot on their arm and are suddenly convinced they have HIV. Isn't that just peak comedy?
Is it true that doctors can make mistakes? Well, obviously. But then again, who among us doesn't?
May they all be struck by lightning! 🙄

And let’s not forget the fact that during our freshman orientation, we were told we were part of some intellectual and social elite. Doesn't that just practically guarantee a future filled with arrogance and self-importance?

Is it just me, or is there a certain level of sheer malice behind the idea that someone is somehow "higher class" simply because they’re studying medicine or some other prestigious field? Is that really how we're measuring human value now?
Medicine is tough, sure. But let's be honest—plenty of other majors are just as grueling. If you have an IQ north of 110 and enough willpower to actually stick with it, you can graduate from any program, right?

Medical school is easily the most brutal path out there, isn't it? It’s a marathon, not a sprint—you're looking at seven long years before you even see the light at the end of the tunnel.
A doctor carries more than just medical expertise; they carry a profound responsibility, don't they?
Is it really any surprise that the average specialist physician's salary is double the national average? Does anyone actually expect anything different?
Everyone seems obsessed with talking about patient rights, but what about the responsibilities of the patient?
The US has world-class medicine, but the healthcare system itself? It’s an absolute train wreck.
If you ask me, everyone should pay their health insurance premiums based on the actual risks they choose to take—especially when they’re blatantly ignoring medical advice. Is it really fair for the rest of us to foot the bill for someone else's reckless lifestyle?

The hardest part? Please. Is that really their justification for acting like they’re some kind of elite class? I wonder what those folks over at Wall Street would say if they had to deal with a "5+1" situation just to be considered valuable. Spoilers: they aren't.
Of course there's accountability! Every single profession carries it. Would you really board a plane if you weren't certain the mechanic had taken full responsibility for inspecting your aircraft before takeoff?
The salary is exactly what you'd expect to find here in America. What else would you hope for? You could always try your luck in the private sector, I suppose.
And what exactly are the responsibilities of the patient?
I'm in total agreement.
So, you’re telling me this is how they run things in the USA? Is it a good system? Hardly. It's an absolute disaster!



It’s something that hasn't been fully considered, though. For instance, imagine someone smoking 40 cigarettes a day; they end up with lung issues but refuse to quit. In my view, a patient like that should bear the brunt of their own medical costs. Why should the money of hardworking American taxpayers be funneled into treating someone who won't help themselves? Or take a diabetic who insists on a diet of heavy fats and sugar despite doctor's orders. If they won't follow the protocol, then they should cover their own bills. They can buy their own insulin with their own money... ☕
Susan Rodriguez72 Susan Rodriguez72 Member
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#51 ·
You have a point. But following that logic, shouldn't smokers be solely responsible for their own medical bills if they end up with lung cancer? The warning is clearly printed right on the pack; therefore, they bear full responsibility for the consequences.

By that same token, should office workers be expected to foot the entire bill for treating scoliosis or other posture-related issues?
goldenmason32 goldenmason32 Newcomer
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#52 ·
Susan Rodriguez72 said:You have a point. But following that logic, shouldn't smokers be solely responsible for their own medical bills if they end up with lung cancer? The warning is clearly printed right on the pack; therefore, they bear full responsibility for the consequences.

By that same token, should office workers be expected to foot the entire bill for treating scoliosis or other posture-related issues?

Exactly. You actually just laid out the exact reasons why those individuals would be responsible for their own treatment.
The comparison to office work doesn't quite hold up here. Of course, those employees aren't "to blame" for developing scoliosis. However, under current US laws, if they can prove a direct causal link, they can claim compensation for occupational physical damage. It's usually a relatively small amount, and unfortunately, it's quite difficult to actually secure. Insurance adjusters and regulators rarely approve those claims. Honestly, the government would go bankrupt if every single person who spent a bit too much time sitting at a desk started filing for compensation...😉😁
Ryan Wood98 Ryan Wood98 Active Member
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#53 ·
Susan Rodriguez72 said:You have a point. But following that logic, shouldn't smokers be solely responsible for their own medical bills if they end up with lung cancer? The warning is clearly printed right on the pack; therefore, they bear full responsibility for the consequences.

By that same token, should office workers be expected to foot the entire bill for treating scoliosis or other posture-related issues?

We could even take this theory a step further: perhaps those struggling financially shouldn't be entitled to free healthcare. After all, I suppose one might argue that being poor isn't anyone else's fault. If they had wanted to build wealth, they surely could have found a way to do so.

So, this is what the American healthcare system looks like.
Susan Rodriguez72 Susan Rodriguez72 Member
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#54 ·
goldenmason32 said:Exactly. You actually just laid out the exact reasons why those individuals would be responsible for their own treatment.
The comparison to office work doesn't quite hold up here. Of course, those employees aren't "to blame" for developing scoliosis. However, under current US laws, if they can prove a direct causal link, they can claim compensation for occupational physical damage. It's usually a relatively small amount, and unfortunately, it's quite difficult to actually secure. Insurance adjusters and regulators rarely approve those claims. Honestly, the government would go bankrupt if every single person who spent a bit too much time sitting at a desk started filing for compensation...😉😁

I’d love to live in that world! 😁
If people just stopped smoking, drinking, eating junk, and actually moved their bodies...
If nobody ever let themselves go...
And if some teenager gets blackout drunk and needs an ER visit? Well, tough luck. It's your own fault—deal with it or die. 😁
goldenmason32 goldenmason32 Newcomer
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#55 ·
Ryan Wood98 said:We could even take this theory a step further: perhaps those struggling financially shouldn't be entitled to free healthcare. After all, I suppose one might argue that being poor isn't anyone else's fault. If they had wanted to build wealth, they surely could have found a way to do so.

So, this is what the American healthcare system looks like.

No, that's a whole different conversation. But if you look at the actual intent behind this new legislation, it seems designed to ensure the wealthy get top-tier care by incentivizing all the best specialists to move into private practice. This leaves the less fortunate stuck in hospitals staffed by either inexperienced doctors or generalists who haven't specialized...🙄
That is precisely why I am against banning doctors who work in public hospitals from having private practices...
goldenmason32 goldenmason32 Newcomer
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#56 ·
Susan Rodriguez72;25146421 said:I really wish it worked that way too! 😁
But then again, people would have to stop smoking, quit drinking, watch what they eat, and actually stay active...
Nobody could ever let themselves go...
And if you're a teenager and you drink so much you need an IV drip, well, tough luck! That's on you. Deal with it or die. 😁[/QQUOTE]

Now, that is a completely different matter. Emergency services have a right to provide free medical care regardless of where you are in the US.
Ryan Wood98 Ryan Wood98 Active Member
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#57 ·
goldenmason32 said:No, that's a whole different conversation. But if you look at the actual intent behind this new legislation, it seems designed to ensure the wealthy get top-tier care by incentivizing all the best specialists to move into private practice. This leaves the less fortunate stuck in hospitals staffed by either inexperienced doctors or generalists who haven't specialized...🙄
That is precisely why I am against banning doctors who work in public hospitals from having private practices...

I suppose you might be right if we lived in a world where physicians were always perfectly honest. But in reality, we often see doctors performing subpar work at public clinics, while patients who "can't wait for an appointment" are redirected to their private offices. Consequently, patients in the public system end up unable to get seen because the doctor simply isn't available during regular working hours.
Susan Rodriguez72 Susan Rodriguez72 Member
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#58 ·
goldenmason32 said:That’s a completely different matter. Emergency services are supposed to provide free medical care everywhere.

So, what happens when my grandmother has another heart attack? Does she lose her right to surgery just because she enjoys bacon too much? Should we just hope she doesn't survive the emergency room visit then?
goldenmason32 goldenmason32 Newcomer
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#59 ·
Susan Rodriguez72 said:So, what happens when my grandmother has another heart attack? Does she lose her right to surgery just because she enjoys bacon too much? Should we just hope she doesn't survive the emergency room visit then?

I don't quite follow—why would she keep eating bacon if she knows it's prohibited? It seems she's facing the consequences of her damaged arteries. ☕
I often wonder why liver transplants aren't given to people struggling with alcoholism. There was one notable exception, though, and that was Bob Dylan.
Because of him, someone else who wasn't even an alcoholic ended up being denied a transplant... 😠
Susan Rodriguez72 Susan Rodriguez72 Member
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#60 ·
goldenmason32 said:I don't quite follow—why would she keep eating bacon if she knows it's prohibited? It seems she's facing the consequences of her damaged arteries. ☕
I often wonder why liver transplants aren't given to people struggling with alcoholism. There was one notable exception, though, and that was Bob Dylan.
Because of him, someone else who wasn't even an alcoholic ended up being denied a transplant... 😠

Oh, absolutely terrifying! 😠
My point is simple: you shouldn't just let a person die if you have the power to help them. It shouldn't matter who they are. Maybe they're a total scumbag, a thief, or a predator... but hey, they don't smoke and they don't eat greasy food. Who are we to play God and decide they aren't worth the assistance?
Or what if someone is a wonderful person, works hard, and is raising three kids, but drinks just a little too much? Is that really enough reason to deny them a bypass or a stent?

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