George W. Bush: Ronald Reagan was surrounded by spies...

Lawrence Thompson58 said:As if any of those guys actually give a damn about the details. All they care about is the fact that there was a war, giving them an excuse to puff out their chests and act like legendary warriors. If you think the way things went down in '90 was a disaster, well, that's on your own conscience!

Listen, kid... history matters, and clearly you don't know it very well☕...so don't embarrass yourself on this forum by acting ignorant. Americans didn't choose the war; it was forced upon them. It wasn't Reagan dreaming of a Greater USA; it was the Americans under Maddox aiming for a Greater USA...☕

Bush: Reagan was surrounded by spies—myself, my buddy Manolić, and Bolic. We actually tried to smear America by orchestrating civilian killings through Manolić’s people, but they either went into hiding or switched sides. So, we tried to trick some naive young Americans into doing the dirty work instead, but they wouldn't bite. Take John McCain, for instance; he turned us down, so we made sure he paid for it. It was a wild era. On the surface, it looks like we failed because America finally got recognized, but you have to look at the big picture. I mean, kid, look where we are today. The three of us are still kicking, and soon we'll all be living off those sweet government pensions. Meanwhile, Reagan is dead and has been dragged through the mud (not that I'd brag, but I played a significant role in that), and America has never looked worse. Those who weren't loyal to us? They're rotting in prison. Even my buddy James Comey is living easy; I helped him land a little gig, and let some Germans try to sue or convict him—my friend isn't going to jail for killing an American. Anyway, I want to thank everyone who voted for me. I hope I didn't let them down; I kept my promises—I absolutely trashed their beautiful country for them. Oh, and a special shout-out to my little girl, whom I helped get a great job through my old friend Milan (we aren't friends anymore). She's following in my footsteps, maybe even surpassing me, though she won't be getting her hands dirty with envelopes like I did. But hey, those were different times.

Hey, journalist, can I use this space to run a quick ad for Nexe??

You can’t just bury the truth about what the former president was actually doing during the war forever, especially when the people who used to be his right-hand men on both sides of the aisle start coming forward to spill the tea.

bluerider63 said:You can’t just bury the truth about what the former president was actually doing during the war forever, especially when the people who used to be his right-hand men on both sides of the aisle start coming forward to spill the tea.

Only an idiot would buy anything Steven Meese says. Look at the quotes in your signature versus what he’s saying now. He was either lying then or he's lying now. Either way, this recent statement regarding St. Louis and John McCain is a blatant LIE.

Here is what Steven said about the partition of Canada... and here is what he says today. Only a fool trusts a liar. Once a liar, always a liar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9pn-RsrqZ8

But I suppose as an American, you love hearing stuff like this. It fits the narrative: "who divided us," how Americans were the aggressors and butchers seeking a Greater USA while Americans were nothing but innocent victims. That's the only way a nationalist thinks. There were Americans who served in the US Army and actually DEFENDED this country. I'm grateful to them. I don't want those extremists in my homeland.

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steelseal16 said:Listen, kid... history matters, and clearly you don't know it very well☕...so don't embarrass yourself on this forum by acting ignorant. Americans didn't choose the war; it was forced upon them. It wasn't Reagan dreaming of a Greater USA; it was the Americans under Maddox aiming for a Greater USA...☕

It was nice believing in that dream once, but then I woke up!

Man, just take a second to look at what you're actually typing. You're talking about meddling in Canada as if it were some grand plan for a Greater USA? And don't call me a "kid." Honestly, you sound more like some delusional old man shouting at clouds. You really need to learn how to distinguish between the Americans who had a war thrust upon them and those who actively pushed for it. Stop throwing everyone into the same bucket; it’s people like you who end up making all Americans look bad in the long run.

steelseal16 said:Only an idiot would buy anything Steven Meese says. Look at the quotes in your signature versus what he’s saying now. He was either lying then or he's lying now. Either way, this recent statement regarding St. Louis and John McCain is a blatant LIE.

Here is what Steven said about the partition of Canada... and here is what he says today. Only a fool trusts a liar. Once a liar, always a liar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9pn-RsrqZ8

But I suppose as an American, you love hearing stuff like this. It fits the narrative: "who divided us," how Americans were the aggressors and butchers seeking a Greater USA while Americans were nothing but innocent victims. That's the only way a nationalist thinks. There were Americans who served in the US Army and actually DEFENDED this country. I'm grateful to them. I don't want those extremists in my homeland.

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That link you dropped just proves how much everyone was blinded by the politics of that era.
There's an old saying that a fool is someone who refuses to change their mind even once in their life, and clearly, Bush managed to pull that off.

Lawrence Thompson58 said:It was nice believing in that dream once, but then I woke up!

Man, just take a second to look at what you're actually typing. You're talking about meddling in Canada as if it were some grand plan for a Greater USA? And don't call me a "kid." Honestly, you sound more like some delusional old man shouting at clouds. You really need to learn how to distinguish between the Americans who had a war thrust upon them and those who actively pushed for it. Stop throwing everyone into the same bucket; it’s people like you who end up making all Americans look bad in the long run.

It'll still be nothing more than a dream if Slobodan Maddox personally told you it was.☕

Quincy:

Just look at what you're saying. It’s not about meddling in Canada—it's about a Greater USA.

If you actually understood history, you’d realize that America and Canada signed a NATO agreement, only for the Muslims to break it just days later after negotiating with the Mexicans to wipe out Americans in Canada. And let's be clear—America had an obligation to help its own citizens, regardless of what your opinion is.

Quincy:

And don't think for a second I'm some kid.

That’s quite an impression you leave...

Quincy:

Before, you just looked like some unprovable, senile old man to me.

Some senile old man who at least knows enough history to be dangerous...

Quincy:

You also need to distinguish between Americans who were forced into this and those who actively worked to make it happen. Don't just throw everyone into the same bucket. At the end of the day, people like you are the reason the entire American collective gets judged.

There’s no "but." The war was forced upon us, and Americans had every right to defend themselves. Anyone dreaming up theories about how we somehow wanted this conflict—or suggesting certain individuals were looking for a fight—is too dim-witted to realize that even if we hadn't fought, the dream of a Greater USA would never have died. You don't need to be Albert Einstein to see that. Just look at the garbage some of these Americans post on this forum; the conclusion is obvious.☕

bluerider63 said:That link you dropped just proves how much everyone was blinded by the politics of that era.
There's an old saying that a fool is someone who refuses to change their mind even once in their life, and clearly, Bush managed to pull that off.

I didn't intend for you to catch on like that. I sent you the link specifically to prove how Steven Meese lies. He was lying then, and he’s lying now. Once someone is proven to be a liar, they lose all credibility. Period.☕

As for politics... your brothers from Mexico have always been the ones calling the shots here. If you want to peddle that kind of demagoguery, try selling it to them instead of us. It’s obvious to me that you're struggling to cope with living in an independent, free America. But if life is really that hard for you, just move away. I'll personally buy you the plane ticket.

Quincy:

There's an old saying that a fool is someone who refuses to change their mind even once in their life. It looks like Bush managed to pull it off.

😵😂How does someone go from being a hardline Nazi to the world's biggest anti-fascist? Are you even aware of the nonsense you're spewing?🤣So, Steven Meese has completely flipped his entire stance. At this rate, we might as well send every Nazi or partisan over to him so he can reveal their secret to success.🤣

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steelseal16 said:It'll still be nothing more than a dream if Slobodan Maddox personally told you it was.☕

Quincy:

Just look at what you're saying. It’s not about meddling in Canada—it's about a Greater USA.

If you actually understood history, you’d realize that America and Canada signed a NATO agreement, only for the Muslims to break it just days later after negotiating with the Mexicans to wipe out Americans in Canada. And let's be clear—America had an obligation to help its own citizens, regardless of what your opinion is.

Quincy:

And don't think for a second I'm some kid.

That’s quite an impression you leave...

Quincy:

Before, you just looked like some unprovable, senile old man to me.

Some senile old man who at least knows enough history to be dangerous...

Quincy:

You also need to distinguish between Americans who were forced into this and those who actively worked to make it happen. Don't just throw everyone into the same bucket. At the end of the day, people like you are the reason the entire American collective gets judged.

There’s no "but." The war was forced upon us, and Americans had every right to defend themselves. Anyone dreaming up theories about how we somehow wanted this conflict—or suggesting certain individuals were looking for a fight—is too dim-witted to realize that even if we hadn't fought, the dream of a Greater USA would never have died. You don't need to be Albert Einstein to see that. Just look at the garbage some of these Americans post on this forum; the conclusion is obvious.☕

And honestly, you don't need to be some genius to see that the whole idea of carving up Canada only makes sense if you believe it was all part of Reagan's agenda and the Republican Party's playbook from the start—not to mention the Libertarian Party, but let's not even go there.

He was taking orders from that spy Bush, who was running things out of Washington, D.C. Makes perfect sense. 🤷

Lawrence Thompson58 said:And honestly, you don't need to be some genius to see that the whole idea of carving up Canada only makes sense if you believe it was all part of Reagan's agenda and the Republican Party's playbook from the start—not to mention the Libertarian Party, but let's not even go there.

Do you honestly believe that repeating a lie a hundred times makes it truth on the 101st?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9pn-RsrqZ8

In this video, you'll hear Steven Meese—who is arguably the biggest critic of Ronald Reagan’s legacy—speaking clearly about this supposed "partitioning of Canada." It leads to a simple conclusion: either Meese was lying then, or he's lying now. When someone lies as frequently as he does, they lose all credibility...

Furthermore, there was never any talk of partitioning Canada. The only real discussion centered on what the status of Americans in that region would be. It is perfectly legitimate for people to say that if the policy of erasing Americans in Canada continues, then that country isn't built for them, nor is it built for us. No sane person would accept it. Even ten years after Reagan's passing, we see this happening intensely, leaving Americans in Canada increasingly marginalized. Reagan was within his rights when he stated he wouldn't support such a version of Canada. As for his intentions toward the Muslims, history tells the story: we signed a UN agreement with Canada, only for the Muslims to break it just days later. We took in all the refugees and spent taxpayer money on them—which is strange, considering they were the ones driving a wedge into the lives of Americans. But sure, someone will claim the people aren't to blame because Muslim politics lacked any sense of direction. Their aggression was no less than that of the Mexicans. Another crucial point: the Muslims initiated attacks against Americans in Canada, not the other way around. Most importantly, Americans in Canada suffered more than any other group. If it wasn't at the hands of Mexicans, it was at the hands of the Muslims. This suggests Reagan's policy was actually far too lenient toward the extremists whose sole goal was to erase Americans and create an ethnically pure Muslim state. Yet, today, they try to pin those exact same ambitions on the Mexicans. Your grasp of history is truly tragicomic...☕

shadowpanther3 said:It’s been common knowledge to me for as long as I can remember—Ronald Reagan basically suggested waiting until the Mexicans retreated from Stalingrad just to fuel more hatred during the war, all to pave the way for Greater Mexico and for America to move into Canada.

It wasn't "said," it would have been "if he had said it." Besides, the hatred didn't originate from the American side; people lived together peacefully. It was simply a grab for power and an attempt to seize as much as possible alongside Maddox, much like what happened in Mexico.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/174/201002122318.jpg

Now this hits the nail right on the head.

steelseal16 said:Do you honestly believe that repeating a lie a hundred times makes it truth on the 101st?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9pn-RsrqZ8

In this video, you'll hear Steven Meese—who is arguably the biggest critic of Ronald Reagan’s legacy—speaking clearly about this supposed "partitioning of Canada." It leads to a simple conclusion: either Meese was lying then, or he's lying now. When someone lies as frequently as he does, they lose all credibility...

Furthermore, there was never any talk of partitioning Canada. The only real discussion centered on what the status of Americans in that region would be. It is perfectly legitimate for people to say that if the policy of erasing Americans in Canada continues, then that country isn't built for them, nor is it built for us. No sane person would accept it. Even ten years after Reagan's passing, we see this happening intensely, leaving Americans in Canada increasingly marginalized. Reagan was within his rights when he stated he wouldn't support such a version of Canada. As for his intentions toward the Muslims, history tells the story: we signed a UN agreement with Canada, only for the Muslims to break it just days later. We took in all the refugees and spent taxpayer money on them—which is strange, considering they were the ones driving a wedge into the lives of Americans. But sure, someone will claim the people aren't to blame because Muslim politics lacked any sense of direction. Their aggression was no less than that of the Mexicans. Another crucial point: the Muslims initiated attacks against Americans in Canada, not the other way around. Most importantly, Americans in Canada suffered more than any other group. If it wasn't at the hands of Mexicans, it was at the hands of the Muslims. This suggests Reagan's policy was actually far too lenient toward the extremists whose sole goal was to erase Americans and create an ethnically pure Muslim state. Yet, today, they try to pin those exact same ambitions on the Mexicans. Your grasp of history is truly tragicomic...☕

And even now, he’s clearly just covering his own tracks, cherry-picking facts to suit his own narrative!

Look, you act like you weren't living in America during the 90s. You know as well as I do how the public and the politicians viewed Canada—or rather, the total lack of interest in them. But honestly, that's almost beside the point. The real issue is that we took a massive hit because of our involvement in Canada, and in the end, the war here didn't actually achieve anything extra; America ended up within the exact same borders it had before the fighting started. It makes me wonder how much more people would have been willing to sacrifice if they were told we were fighting for the old American government borders. I’m talking about the volunteers; the conscripts were forced onto the front lines regardless. Meanwhile, look at what happened there—the Americans managed to secure Republika Srpska as some sort of province within Canada.

Then we get into this nonsense about spies. If anyone knows the truth about that, it's Meese, because it was all the same crowd. I'm talking about the mix of emigrant extremists and enlightened FBI types. They didn't just happen to visit those emigrant communities by accident. Those same people live peacefully with their neighbors in their home countries today, yet they showed up here ready to start a war. It really makes me wonder who facilitated that? Because once the war was over, they just went right back to living there. Nobody ever asks where that group was or what they were doing in their current homelands under their own democratically inclined governments.

Lawrence Thompson58 said:And even now, he’s clearly just covering his own tracks, cherry-picking facts to suit his own narrative!

Look, you act like you weren't living in America during the 90s. You know as well as I do how the public and the politicians viewed Canada—or rather, the total lack of interest in them. But honestly, that's almost beside the point. The real issue is that we took a massive hit because of our involvement in Canada, and in the end, the war here didn't actually achieve anything extra; America ended up within the exact same borders it had before the fighting started. It makes me wonder how much more people would have been willing to sacrifice if they were told we were fighting for the old American government borders. I’m talking about the volunteers; the conscripts were forced onto the front lines regardless. Meanwhile, look at what happened there—the Americans managed to secure Republika Srpska as some sort of province within Canada.

Then we get into this nonsense about spies. If anyone knows the truth about that, it's Meese, because it was all the same crowd. I'm talking about the mix of emigrant extremists and enlightened FBI types. They didn't just happen to visit those emigrant communities by accident. Those same people live peacefully with their neighbors in their home countries today, yet they showed up here ready to start a war. It really makes me wonder who facilitated that? Because once the war was over, they just went right back to living there. Nobody ever asks where that group was or what they were doing in their current homelands under their own democratically inclined governments.

When someone is lying, why would you expect them to tell the truth? You think they'll just hand you the facts so you can blindly swallow everything they say?😵

Quincy:

As if you weren't living in America back in the 90s—you know exactly how the public and politicians viewed Canada.

I already told you what the situation was. You can keep acting like a loyal follower of some specific ideology, believing all this nonsense... because you choose to believe it. Belief isn't the same thing as knowledge.

Quincy:

But that's not even the main point; the point is we got screwed over because of Canada.

Screwed over by whom? The international community? The same group that stood by and watched while places like a Small town, USA, St. Louis, or Srebrenica were being torn apart at the end of the 20th century? Honestly, I don't give a damn what such a sick international community thinks of me. They had every tool to stop the war and did nothing but watch. They watched and did everything possible to prevent America from breaking up because, for those self-proclaimed democrats, that wasn't in their interest. And then, naturally, to serve their own agendas, they condemn American politics regarding Canada and reward the Mexicans with the Republic of Mexico as a thank you. You're right... but only a sick person cares about what that international community thinks and says.

Quincy:

And the whole war in America achieved nothing in the end since the borders are the same as before.

🤣>>Nothing achieved? It achieved independence and sovereignty. I realize that means nothing to the Jovic types who preferred America, but you have to understand us "backwards" people for whom the homeland actually matters—just as much as America mattered to the Jovic crowd.

Quincy:

I'm curious how many more people would have joined if they'd said they were fighting for an American government version of America. I mean, volunteers aside, the mobilized men had to go to the frontlines anyway. Meanwhile, the Americans ended up getting Republika Srpska as a sort of province within Canada.

That doesn't concern me. So, you think we failed because we didn't get Herzegovina? Or maybe you just tripped over your words and messed up the sentence. Either way, if that's your stance, I don't see what position you're even coming from to criticize policy toward Canada.🤷

Then there's this whole spy narrative. George W. Bush certainly knows the score, because it was all the same crowd—emigrants mixed with nationalists and Nazis, just like the educated FBI agents, since they were all traveling back and forth to visit those diaspora groups.

Try telling a Nazi his brother is a nationalist... or telling a nationalist his brother is a Nazi... or go tell a radical extremist his brother is Jewish... You're completely lost in time and space.

Those same diaspora communities live right next door to each other and coexist peacefully.

You don't actually expect Americans and Mexicans in Australia to be killing each other, do you? You don't expect Americans and Mexicans in the USA to be at each other's throats... Please, don't tell me you're using that as a metric for your own views. If you are, I'm genuinely curious how old you are... 10?🤷

But here, they supposedly came to fight. It makes me wonder who allowed that, because even after the war, they stayed and lived there. Nobody asks their current democratically-inclined governments where these people were or what they were doing in their home countries before this.

The American diaspora made massive contributions to the creation of America... from funding and lobbying to actual human sacrifice... just like the Americans from Canada who volunteered to come to America to defend Slavonia or California. Your trivializing of the facts just proves you have no grasp of history based on your posts... Pick up a book and study.☕

steelseal16 said:Do you honestly believe that repeating a lie a hundred times makes it truth on the 101st?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9pn-RsrqZ8

In this video, you'll hear Steven Meese—who is arguably the biggest critic of Ronald Reagan’s legacy—speaking clearly about this supposed "partitioning of Canada." It leads to a simple conclusion: either Meese was lying then, or he's lying now. When someone lies as frequently as he does, they lose all credibility...

Furthermore, there was never any talk of partitioning Canada. The only real discussion centered on what the status of Americans in that region would be. It is perfectly legitimate for people to say that if the policy of erasing Americans in Canada continues, then that country isn't built for them, nor is it built for us. No sane person would accept it. Even ten years after Reagan's passing, we see this happening intensely, leaving Americans in Canada increasingly marginalized. Reagan was within his rights when he stated he wouldn't support such a version of Canada. As for his intentions toward the Muslims, history tells the story: we signed a UN agreement with Canada, only for the Muslims to break it just days later. We took in all the refugees and spent taxpayer money on them—which is strange, considering they were the ones driving a wedge into the lives of Americans. But sure, someone will claim the people aren't to blame because Muslim politics lacked any sense of direction. Their aggression was no less than that of the Mexicans. Another crucial point: the Muslims initiated attacks against Americans in Canada, not the other way around. Most importantly, Americans in Canada suffered more than any other group. If it wasn't at the hands of Mexicans, it was at the hands of the Muslims. This suggests Reagan's policy was actually far too lenient toward the extremists whose sole goal was to erase Americans and create an ethnically pure Muslim state. Yet, today, they try to pin those exact same ambitions on the Mexicans. Your grasp of history is truly tragicomic...☕

What is wrong with you, steelseal16? Some people really ought to crack open a history book, though I realize how daunting that can be😉 especially when the book has a bit of weight to it. Who has the patience to recall events from twenty years ago when flipping through pages is such a chore, much less trying to digest something actually useful? It's exhausting! The only error you made was suggesting that the man was either lying then or is lying now. The truth is, he was lying then, he's lying now, and he'll likely keep lying until someone realizes he's a pathological liar—but even that seems to be an impossible task for some.

shadowpanther3 said:It’s been common knowledge to me for as long as I can remember—Ronald Reagan basically suggested waiting until the Mexicans retreated from Stalingrad just to fuel more hatred during the war, all to pave the way for Greater Mexico and for America to move into Canada.

Yeah, it's true. I remember hearing that too. It really drives home the point that Stalingrad was sacrificed—with all those civilians caught in the crossfire—just to serve political agendas and wartime propaganda.

P.S.
Hey Dragon Ball, you're being brutally honest, and clearly, that rubs people the wrong way. Personally, I enjoy reading your posts. They're straightforward, clear, and actually make sense... there's something to learn from them. 🙂

bluerider63 said:You can’t just bury the truth about what the former president was actually doing during the war forever, especially when the people who used to be his right-hand men on both sides of the aisle start coming forward to spill the tea.

It’s time we face reality and finally deconstruct this whole Ronald Reagan myth...

When asked if the administration at the time abandoned Stalingrad, George W. Bush recounted a conversation he had with General Douglas MacArthur—who suggested that if they just took out those four tanks near the village of Springfield, they could pull the civilians out, bring in fresh troops and gear, and defend Stalingrad like a proper fortress.

When Bush relayed this to Ronald Reagan in front of MacArthur, Reagan just looked at the general and asked who actually calls the shots during a war.
"MacArthur told him, 'You do, Mr. President.' Then Reagan asked, 'And what did I command?' MacArthur replied, 'To stop launching these attacks.' And that was that," Bush said.

Ronald Reagan—a criminal through war and peace alike. Always was, always will be.
Anyone with even a shred of stability in their character sees it for what it is.
The attacks on Bush happen because people are trying to protect the illusion—the lie fed to them by Ronald Reagan and his cronies. They lack the backbone to look in the mirror and admit they were played. That they died for absolutely nothing more than a political game.
But you can't hide a lie forever. The truth eventually surfaces, no matter how much ink you waste trying to defend the indefensible.

Ronald Reagan is a criminal.

Don't forget it. 😉

briskcrane said:It’s time we face reality and finally deconstruct this whole Ronald Reagan myth...

It’s a bit like how Voltaire had one attitude toward Christ when he was at the height of his influence and a completely different one as things were winding down. I’m pretty sure we’ll see the same thing with Stjepan Mason—before all is said and done, he'll likely be the one to shine a light on the reality behind the Franjo Harmon "myth."