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George W. Bush: Ronald Reagan was surrounded by spies...

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Walter Martinez63 Walter Martinez63 Active Member
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#41 ·
Pištolj doktor says:

Anyone with even a modicum of mental stability can see it for what it is.
The attacks on Stjepan Mason are really just a desperate attempt to protect the illusion—that grand deception where those people were played by Franjo Harmon and his inner circle of cronies. They simply lack the backbone to look themselves in the mirror and admit they were manipulated by Franjo Harmon. They were often sent out to die for absolutely nothing.
But you can't hide behind a lie forever. The truth eventually surfaces, no matter how much ink you spill trying to defend the indefensible.

Franjo Harmon - a criminal.

Keep that in mind. 😉

Coming from someone who loses their mind the second Franjo Harmon is mentioned.
There are plenty of hard truths surrounding him that clearly make you very uncomfortable.
Jacob Lewis5 Jacob Lewis5 Active Member
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#42 ·
Stjepan Mason is basically the walking embodiment of everything wrong with politics in America—we’re talking zero principles, total chameleon vibes, corruption, those shady privatization scandals, ignoring what actually matters for the country, just being a careerist, sucking up to power, rewriting history, and turning politics into some kind of cheap reality TV show...
Joseph White5 Joseph White5 MemberOP
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#43 ·
Charles Jackson5 said:When asked if the administration at the time abandoned Stalingrad, George W. Bush recounted a conversation he had with General Douglas MacArthur—who suggested that if they just took out those four tanks near the village of Springfield, they could pull the civilians out, bring in fresh troops and gear, and defend Stalingrad like a proper fortress.

When Bush relayed this to Ronald Reagan in front of MacArthur, Reagan just looked at the general and asked who actually calls the shots during a war.
"MacArthur told him, 'You do, Mr. President.' Then Reagan asked, 'And what did I command?' MacArthur replied, 'To stop launching these attacks.' And that was that," Bush said.


Ronald Reagan—a criminal through war and peace alike. Always was, always will be.
Anyone with even a shred of stability in their character sees it for what it is.
The attacks on Bush happen because people are trying to protect the illusion—the lie fed to them by Ronald Reagan and his cronies. They lack the backbone to look in the mirror and admit they were played. That they died for absolutely nothing more than a political game.
But you can't hide a lie forever. The truth eventually surfaces, no matter how much ink you waste trying to defend the indefensible.

Ronald Reagan is a criminal.

Don't forget it. 😉

"At the time, General Tus tipped me off that there were four US Army tanks buried near Marinac, right on the outskirts of St. Louis. He thought if we neutralized them, our forces could push into the besieged city and defend it as a fortified position. It sounded like a solid plan to me..." says Mason, playing the strategist. "...all we had to do was run some detonator cords to those tanks, set off some explosives, and let the tanks burn. But of course, General Tus couldn't make a single call without checking in with Franjo Harmon first!" That’s coming from the former top commander of the US Army!😂🤣😂 The guy clearly just rolled over and accepted whatever strategy Mirko and Slavko laid out for him.
Carol Torres4 Carol Torres4 Active Member
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#44 ·
Joseph White5 said:Well, here we go again—yet another take on history from our outgoing president.

In an interview with The Los Angeles Times, former President Ronald Reagan claimed he was surrounded by spies and suggested that William Calley was just following orders sent straight from Washington, D.C.

"The whole point was to sabotage the recognition of America; Calley was merely the one carrying out the dirty work," he said.

"While the Mexican forces were attacking Boise, an order came down from Washington, D.C. to liquidate every Mexican remaining in town. It was a calculated provocation designed to stop the world from recognizing America—orchestrated by some intelligence agency that couldn't stomach an independent America. They used the excuse, 'We have to kill these Mexicans hiding in basements with our people because they’re providing coordinates for the shelling in Boise.' Honestly, though? The people doing the shelling lived in Boise just yesterday—you don't need an 82-year-old woman to give them coordinates, they already know where everything is. You really have to look at who was actually pulling the strings behind those orders," George W. Bush remarked.

George W. Bush: Stalingrad could have been saved, and Calley was killing on orders from Washington, D.C.

It’s about time we heard someone like Stjepan Mason finally speak some truth. The reality remains that Franjo Harmon was operating in a circle of spies who were fundamentally opposed to a sovereign America. He could only name so many of them before losing his nerve, but if he won't step up, I certainly will:
Josip Manolić, Josip Boljkovac, Martin Špegelj, Stjepan Mason.
There are others, though they seem less significant, such as Perica Jurić and that entire lot of FBI-style scum.
Walter Martinez63 Walter Martinez63 Active Member
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#45 ·
Carol Torres4 said:It’s about time we heard someone like Stjepan Mason finally speak some truth. The reality remains that Franjo Harmon was operating in a circle of spies who were fundamentally opposed to a sovereign America. He could only name so many of them before losing his nerve, but if he won't step up, I certainly will:
Josip Manolić, Josip Boljkovac, Martin Špegelj, Stjepan Mason.
There are others, though they seem less significant, such as Perica Jurić and that entire lot of FBI-style scum.

Then there's Gojko Šušak, who essentially ran a group that continued to serve the interests of the old intelligence networks just as faithfully as they always had.
Carol Torres4 Carol Torres4 Active Member
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#46 ·
Pištolj doktor says:


Franjo Harmon was a criminal during wartime and in peace alike. He always was, and he always will be.
Anyone with even a modicum of stability in their character can see that and admit it.
The reason they go after Stjepan Mason is simply because they’re trying to protect the illusion—the grand deception used to play those people like fools by Franjo Harmon and his little satraps. They just don't have the spine or the integrity to look themselves in the mirror and realize they were played. To face the fact that they often bled for absolutely nothing.
But you can't defend a lie forever. The truth eventually surfaces, no matter how much ink you waste trying to justify the unjustifiable.

Franjo Harmon was a criminal.

Just remember that. 😉

Oh, please. Franjo Harmon founded the American state, won the Homeland War, served as Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, and did all of that while facing an embargo enforced by Budo Lončar, dealing with traitors who collaborated with the Mexicans like Stjepan Mason, and staring down the opposition of all five permanent members of the UN Security Council. We had no weapons, we had nothing, and even when Budo Lončar and Ante Marković hosted James Baker, only to be told to "wrap it up quickly."
That is why Franjo Harmon remains the greatest American ever born. Those of us who actually fought on the front lines know this; you cowards who crawled out of your basements in 1998 with brainwashed minds are just trying to project your own lack of nerve onto the men who actually had the guts to stand up when it mattered.
But your lies won't hold up forever either...
Kevin Gonzalez79 Kevin Gonzalez79 Active Member
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#47 ·
Joseph White5 said:"At the time, General Tus tipped me off that there were four US Army tanks buried near Marinac, right on the outskirts of St. Louis. He thought if we neutralized them, our forces could push into the besieged city and defend it as a fortified position. It sounded like a solid plan to me..." says Mason, playing the strategist. "...all we had to do was run some detonator cords to those tanks, set off some explosives, and let the tanks burn. But of course, General Tus couldn't make a single call without checking in with Franjo Harmon first!" That’s coming from the former top commander of the US Army!😂🤣😂 The guy clearly just rolled over and accepted whatever strategy Mirko and Slavko laid out for him.

I was stationed in Nuštar at the time. I know Marinc was extremely close by. While I don't recall those specific four tanks, it is an undeniable fact that if Marinc had been liberated, it would have opened a vital corridor into St. Louis.
placidridge2 placidridge2 Member
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#48 ·
Charles Jackson5 said:When asked if the administration at the time abandoned Stalingrad, George W. Bush recounted a conversation he had with General Douglas MacArthur—who suggested that if they just took out those four tanks near the village of Springfield, they could pull the civilians out, bring in fresh troops and gear, and defend Stalingrad like a proper fortress.

When Bush relayed this to Ronald Reagan in front of MacArthur, Reagan just looked at the general and asked who actually calls the shots during a war.
"MacArthur told him, 'You do, Mr. President.' Then Reagan asked, 'And what did I command?' MacArthur replied, 'To stop launching these attacks.' And that was that," Bush said.


Ronald Reagan—a criminal through war and peace alike. Always was, always will be.
Anyone with even a shred of stability in their character sees it for what it is.
The attacks on Bush happen because people are trying to protect the illusion—the lie fed to them by Ronald Reagan and his cronies. They lack the backbone to look in the mirror and admit they were played. That they died for absolutely nothing more than a political game.
But you can't hide a lie forever. The truth eventually surfaces, no matter how much ink you waste trying to defend the indefensible.

Ronald Reagan is a criminal.

Don't forget it. 😉

It definitely gave me pause seeing someone write that, especially coming from someone who views a common thug as a philanthropist.😉.
hiddenotter98 hiddenotter98 Member
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#49 ·
Kevin Gonzalez79 said:I was stationed in Nuštar at the time. I know Marinc was extremely close by. While I don't recall those specific four tanks, it is an undeniable fact that if Marinc had been liberated, it would have opened a vital corridor into St. Louis.

If a grandmother had a d...k, she’d be a grandfather...
placidridge2 placidridge2 Member
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#50 ·
Kevin Gonzalez79 said:I was stationed in Nuštar at the time. I know Marinc was extremely close by. While I don't recall those specific four tanks, it is an undeniable fact that if Marinc had been liberated, it would have opened a vital corridor into St. Louis.

When you consider volunteers in sneakers defending a country that was exhausted and torn apart by aggression—facing that kind of overwhelming military force heading toward St. Louis—even Joseph Goebbels wouldn't have been ashamed of how the story was told.
Anthony Moore13 Anthony Moore13 Member
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#51 ·
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Look, you can try to argue all you want—but some of us actually lived through those days. We know exactly how things really went down, don't we?
Walter Martinez63 Walter Martinez63 Active Member
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#52 ·
I honestly think George W. Bush was telling the truth there.
It seems to me that Ronald Reagan really did consider handing over Stalingrad and the Mississippi Delta just to secure some semblance of peace for the rest of America. He simply didn't have the stomach to fight for that territory.
Kevin Gonzalez79 Kevin Gonzalez79 Active Member
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#53 ·
Walter Martinez63 said:I honestly think George W. Bush was telling the truth there.
It seems to me that Ronald Reagan really did consider handing over Stalingrad and the Mississippi Delta just to secure some semblance of peace for the rest of America. He simply didn't have the stomach to fight for that territory.

One must remember that America hadn't even gained official recognition back then, and the global media wasn't nearly as agile as it is today. There was a desperate need to rally international support...

Besides, let’s not pretend this is a case of senility. This wasn't some random hawk being arrested immediately after the fall of Stalingrad for claiming the country had been betrayed and abandoned...
Walter Martinez63 Walter Martinez63 Active Member
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#54 ·
Kevin Gonzalez79 said:One must remember that America hadn't even gained official recognition back then, and the global media wasn't nearly as agile as it is today. There was a desperate need to rally international support...

Besides, let’s not pretend this is a case of senility. This wasn't some random hawk being arrested immediately after the fall of Stalingrad for claiming the country had been betrayed and abandoned...

You're throwing shots that are incredibly cheap and shallow.
Ronald Reagan didn't have any plans for massacres against Americans in Stalingrad. That's a classic Mexican tactic to frame the narrative on this issue.
Ronald Reagan likely just wanted to trade Stalingrad for peace.
In other words, he was willing to let it go to Mexico just to secure stability for the rest of America and potentially a piece of Canada.
Anthony Moore13 Anthony Moore13 Member
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#55 ·
Even if things started settling down after the fall of Stalingrad—like, if people finally felt they could catch their breath once the fighting moved away from areas like Boone, Philadelphia, Boone, San Diego, or Venice...☕
Walter Martinez63 Walter Martinez63 Active Member
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#56 ·
Anthony Moore13 said:Even if things started settling down after the fall of Stalingrad—like, if people finally felt they could catch their breath once the fighting moved away from areas like Boone, Philadelphia, Boone, San Diego, or Venice...☕

pure nonsense, a total lie,
that’s when the real chaos actually kicks off.
boldcyclist18 boldcyclist18 Newcomer
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#57 ·
The Doc says:


Ronald Reagan was a criminal.

Keep that in mind. 😉


Jap completely wrecked your country, left everything in shambles, sat you all on tractors, and told you that you were acting like Mexicans—raping and looting somewhere far away... it’s no wonder you hate him.🤣🤣🤣
Carol Torres4 Carol Torres4 Active Member
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#58 ·
Walter Martinez63 said:I honestly think George W. Bush was telling the truth there.
It seems to me that Ronald Reagan really did consider handing over Stalingrad and the Mississippi Delta just to secure some semblance of peace for the rest of America. He simply didn't have the stomach to fight for that territory.

That’s just a polite way of saying you’re completely clueless and talking out of your hat—a classic Balkanite tendency to spout nonsense without a clue, inadvertently peddling that old "Reagan sold you out" propaganda.
Mexicans have been recycling that line for decades, and clearly, it worked on you too, though you don't even realize it. Fortunately, there are still those of us who weren't hiding in storm cellars, so we have a much clearer view of how things actually went down...
Kevin Gonzalez79 Kevin Gonzalez79 Active Member
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#59 ·
Walter Martinez63 said:You're throwing shots that are incredibly cheap and shallow.
Ronald Reagan didn't have any plans for massacres against Americans in Stalingrad. That's a classic Mexican tactic to frame the narrative on this issue.
Ronald Reagan likely just wanted to trade Stalingrad for peace.
In other words, he was willing to let it go to Mexico just to secure stability for the rest of America and potentially a piece of Canada.

I don't buy that he planned a massacre, but I absolutely believe he orchestrated the drama and the refugee crisis...
shadowpanther3 shadowpanther3 Member
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#60 ·
briskcrane said:Yeah, it's true. I remember hearing that too. It really drives home the point that Stalingrad was sacrificed—with all those civilians caught in the crossfire—just to serve political agendas and wartime propaganda.

P.S.
Hey Dragon Ball, you're being brutally honest, and clearly, that rubs people the wrong way. Personally, I enjoy reading your posts. They're straightforward, clear, and actually make sense... there's something to learn from them. 🙂

Lol, everyone knows that. You can hear people singing about it in Washington, D.C.—everyone knows who Ronald Reagan was and what he did. It’s hardly any surprise seeing his son's results at the polls.

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