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Do you feel like the Republican Party has been robbing you blind over the last 20 years?

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briskbison55 briskbison55 Active Member
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joined Jun 2009
#101 ·
Adam Collins4 said:I’m talking about how the Republican Party twice requested standby arrangements that ended up stalling—purely due to their own sheer incompetence—even though the funds were eventually repaid...

So, are you actually aware of that, or are we just guessing?

It seems like you don't have a clue what you're talking about, yet here you are, acting like an expert...☕

And honestly, I couldn't care less who sent what to whom or who signed off on it...

Wait, hold on, what exactly are you blaming the Republican Party for here? Just finish your thought so I can figure out if you're being dense or if you're just trolling me.

Quincy:
Honestly, I don't really care who did what or who agreed to what...
Then where do you get the nerve to defend those points today, coming from someone who was totally on board with that mess back then? :-)
Karen Rodriguez3 Karen Rodriguez3 Active Member
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joined Apr 2017
#102 ·
Lisa Gray94 said:..but do you honestly believe the government is to blame to such an extent that your boss can't handle rising overhead or variable costs, dropping demand, a surplus of labor, or a total lack of market liquidity? 🤷

Look, forget about my company for a second. You gotta look at the big picture of how things are going in the country, not just one or two businesses. We've been running our shop for twenty years now, thank God, and I don't think it's ever been this rough as it has been these last few months.
And what, you think everyone suddenly became incompetent just because they're laying people off right now?
Just look at the broader landscape, man.
granitemarlin77 granitemarlin77 Active Member
133 messages
joined Jul 2009
#103 ·
Austin Gonzalez13 said:Oh, it absolutely changes things—look, one thief among a hundred honest people is just an exception that proves the rule... and by that same logic, one honest soul among a hundred thieves is also just an exception that proves the rule. ☕

Stop talking nonsense. A thief is a thief—no exceptions, no rules, nothing. Look at us here in America; we're living proof that there aren't any rules, let alone exceptions. And like I said before, all those political parties? They only have legitimacy because citizens—voters—gave it to them. That’s on them. But it's always easier for us to play dumb, act all philosophical, and say, "Eh, that's someone else over there, why should I care?" Then election day rolls around and everyone stays home, only to turn around and bitch about how all the politicians are crooks—as if that makes it okay to not care who wins.☕
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#104 ·
Austin Gonzalez13 said:So you just love our exchange rate policy, don't you? It’s just great when you're already starting out 15% more expensive because of the currency fluctuations.

I’m not "more expensive"... I work for companies based in CH...

They pay their entry-level engineers about $150 a day—roughly 20k kn in old terms—while they pay experienced guys like me, also engineers, maybe $50 to $65 depending on whether we're doing production engineering or design...

So, honestly, it pays off for them to hire me—especially since I'm faster and specialized in those smaller components for turbine production and other energy equipment...

Look, I don't care about anything else, as long as they leave me alone to do my job... though, I suppose the day a Swissman goes belly up, that's when I'll actually start losing sleep over it...

I get it, the government can't control everything, but they certainly have the power to make doing business easier... and our leaders? They aren't doing a thing to help...

All they expect from us is that we pay our taxes on time...
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#105 ·
briskbison55 said:Wait, hold on, what exactly are you blaming the Republican Party for here? Just finish your thought so I can figure out if you're being dense or if you're just trolling me.

Quincy:
Honestly, I don't really care who did what or who agreed to what...
Then where do you get the nerve to defend those points today, coming from someone who was totally on board with that mess back then? :-)

You still haven't actually answered my question—are you even aware that the IMF was being called in even before Clinton took office?

So, since everyone’s busy acting like that terrifying IMF isn't basically just breathing down Clinton's neck, I have to wonder—how do you guys even sleep at night when it comes to the Republican Party? Seriously, their constant finger-pointing and sheer incompetence ended up screwing over the Democratic Party even more, especially since we were the ones stuck footing the bill to pay everything back.
Lisa Gray94 Lisa Gray94 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2010
#106 ·
Austin Gonzalez13 said:Look, the government is the primary—the absolute MAIN—driver of market illiquidity!!!

Don't talk nonsense... if you actually have data to back that up, go ahead and post it, and then maybe you can offer an apology.
Generally speaking, as far as I know, the government stays on top of its payroll obligations. I don't know about specific payment delays elsewhere, but I know that in one of the federal departments, it's never more than 45 days.
What do you think the actual turnaround is for a giant like Walmart? How much time they get under contract versus how long it actually takes them to pay their suppliers?
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#107 ·
briskbison55 said:Look, I’ll give you two examples—one guy is actually a member of your party and the other is the Governor of the Federal Reserve. If anyone is being insulting here, it’s you, honestly, with this constant trolling and just dodging anything that doesn't fit your little narrative. This person is basically like a bull charging blindly at a rag; they aren't budging an inch from what they were taught.

Quincy:
"The Libertarian Party is absolutely appalled by the implementation of this three-billion-dollar program meant to return housing to people who lost their residency rights, especially while the country is struggling through such a massive economic recession. 'If those funds had been redirected toward job preservation, so many American citizens wouldn't be stuck on unemployment lines,' said Libertarian Party leader Daniel Smith."

He pointed out how the program was passed back in August 2006 when, according to him, the administration decided—based on an agreement between the Republican Party and the Democratic Party—to allocate housing to those who lost their residency rights because they hadn't used the properties for over six months. He mentioned these are people who left America in 1991, went 'to the other side,' and actively participated in the war against America.

So, what about investing in manufacturing? Should we just hand that over to the Democrats instead...
There it is, the Democrats have finally completely fallen apart at the seams :-) Now they’d probably just ignore all our international treaty obligations and tell the Democrats to go back to where they came from. Come on, seriously, I know terms like 'agreement,' 'initialing,' 'signing,' or 'ratification' might be a bit confusing for you folks in the Democratic Party, but once obligations are taken on, they have to be honored. Why weren't you crying foul when the Republican Party was signing it? There was a full debate in Congress and the Democrats agreed that homes needed to be rebuilt for all the victims.

Quincy:
And yeah, certain generals were convicted and extradited for things that have nothing to do with Storm... so who’s to blame for that?

Doesn't that totally undermine the whole argument about the defensive war?
Same answer as before. You keep broadening the topic, and I just can't think of anything because I feel like we've already stretched this one way too far.


I am not a member of any political party—never have been, never will be. And sure, I’ve been recruited before—first by the Republican Party, then by the Democratic Party... both times I just thanked them and promised to join once people with actual talent, rather than just connections, took over the leadership.

And let me be clear: I don't feel the need to answer to some party hack who hasn't even finished high school—let alone has a career that isn't built entirely on political favors—especially when I have twelve years of university under my belt. No thanks. I value my own intellect far too much for that.

Besides, I don't exactly view people as geniuses when their peak argumentative strategy is just hurling insults and dodging questions they can't answer.

Whatever you want to write about me or spit at me, you can't deny the fact that we weren't prepared for this crisis, and honestly, we still aren't.

Meanwhile, those who were hit way harder than us are slowly starting to recover... though even now, there are forecasts suggesting 2010 might actually be worse than what we're seeing now.

And what's being done to stop it? Nothing. They just keep promising funds from a relief fund that they keep delaying the creation of indefinitely.

And how did the whole thing start regarding the dismantling of the defense war narrative following the Storm?

Before that, you had guys like Norac, Glavaš, and Hrastov—they have nothing to do with the Declaration, but they certainly have everything to do with the planned effort to tear down the truth about the defense war.

But hey, you're still living in La-La Land...
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#108 ·
Lisa Gray94 said:Don't talk nonsense... if you actually have data to back that up, go ahead and post it, and then maybe you can offer an apology.
Generally speaking, as far as I know, the government stays on top of its payroll obligations. I don't know about specific payment delays elsewhere, but I know that in one of the federal departments, it's never more than 45 days.
What do you think the actual turnaround is for a giant like Walmart? How much time they get under contract versus how long it actually takes them to pay their suppliers?

Oprostiti, but what on earth does paying employees—which I assume means salaries—have to do with the liquidity issues of a company doing business with the government?

And while we're at it, what’s the legal deadline for a company to pay federal taxes on an invoice they've issued but haven't actually collected cash for yet?

Is it 10 days, 20 days, 30, 45? Let's see how the rules work when things are moving in the opposite direction...
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#109 ·
Here’s a little something regarding state-owned enterprises and how they handle their debts... sure, this article is from early last year, but it still drives the point home...

Just a bit about how the government doesn't seem to give a damn about economic recovery... or actually protecting jobs...

"Not even six months after Prime Minister Jadranka Kosor set a 60-day maximum payment window for public companies—which was officially part of the Federal government recession measures—creditors are claiming that isn't just false, but that the payment windows have actually been extended since then."

No apologies needed here, let's just look at the actual reality of the situation... instead of shouting about nonsense like Marshall, the South, or whatever else...
Lisa Gray94 Lisa Gray94 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2010
#110 ·
Adam Collins4 said:Oprostiti, but what on earth does paying employees—which I assume means salaries—have to do with the liquidity issues of a company doing business with the government?

And while we're at it, what’s the legal deadline for a company to pay federal taxes on an invoice they've issued but haven't actually collected cash for yet?

Is it 10 days, 20 days, 30, 45? Let's see how the rules work when things are moving in the opposite direction...

I was referring to Vegia... there isn't a direct link here.
In any case, tax on an uncollected invoice shouldn't be the entrepreneur's burden until the government uses its own little "tools" (haha) to force the buyer to actually pay that bill.
Morgan Rodriguez57 Morgan Rodriguez57 Active Member
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#111 ·
briskbison55 said:(zijev) Well, yeah, you have to dig deeper. If you can still find any of those old forum users who were actually worth talking to, you'll find the threads I'm talking about. The International Criminal Court got the green light regarding Operation Storm and Operation Flash, which basically means America accepted the possibility that both those operations were part of a deliberate plan to drive Mexicans out of the country. That’s the whole point of Ivo Josipovic, and that’s really the core of the coalition led by the Democrats. I guess everyone who admires that messed-up coalition today and how they opened our doors to the world should tell me... why are we still being laughed at by that very same world? Actually, never mind, it's like I already know the answer—people who apologize to the aggressor instead of acting like proud members of the human race don't deserve anything better.

I really don't want to go off-topic here, but this question is way too important to leave hanging, so here it goes...

Just so I'm not speaking without doing my homework, I checked what an excellent old veteran had to say about this topic... she mentions the Republican Party's decision to waive jurisdiction for the international court over those specific operations, but she fails to mention the Democratic Party's decision to waive their waiver... and why? Because the second one isn't even relevant... and why isn't it relevant?

The veteran sees waiving jurisdiction as nothing more than a timeout—a limited window of time, a delay in filing indictments for a set period—and she argues that this timeout wasn't utilized. She thinks we should have used that borrowed time to investigate and process potential crimes ourselves, which would have allowed us to counter or even debunk the indictments being built during that period...

Well, the Republican Party didn't want to do that, and the Democratic Party couldn't because they were terrified of being branded as traitors... so, for the Democrats, that timeout wasn't necessary, and they essentially gave it up...

So why is the veteran talking about a timeout? See, when someone challenges a court's jurisdiction over a case, a mechanism is triggered to decide if that court actually has authority... and just like anything else in the legal system, that takes time. While that procedure is moving along, time passes... that elapsed time is the timeout that, in our case, went completely unused...

And what would have happened during that timeout? Some governing body would have reviewed the situation and made a ruling on whether the international court had jurisdiction over those operations... I have no clue which body it would have been—maybe the court itself or the UN Security Council—but I do know what the ruling would have been. There was only one likely outcome: the international court would be deemed the rightful authority for those operations...

That's why the veteran is right when she says challenging the jurisdiction was just a temporary pause that, unfortunately, was wasted...

The blame for that lies with the Republican Party, not the Democrats... trying to pin this on the Democrats is just another sneaky way to score political points and mislead innocent people... 🙂
Nicole Murphy Nicole Murphy Newcomer
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#112 ·
I voted YES.

Look, I’m talking about the modern Republican Party (and their little buddy system with those six guys), but I won't even dignify them with a mention because they aren't the point here. Sure, the original Republican Party dropped the ball plenty of times, but the modern wing? They absolutely gutted us—morally and otherwise. They stripped away my dignity. All I've got left is my pride.
Rachel Garcia Rachel Garcia Active Member
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joined Sep 2011
#113 ·
granitemarlin77 said:Stop talking nonsense. A thief is a thief—no exceptions, no rules, nothing. Look at us here in America; we're living proof that there aren't any rules, let alone exceptions. And like I said before, all those political parties? They only have legitimacy because citizens—voters—gave it to them. That’s on them. But it's always easier for us to play dumb, act all philosophical, and say, "Eh, that's someone else over there, why should I care?" Then election day rolls around and everyone stays home, only to turn around and bitch about how all the politicians are crooks—as if that makes it okay to not care who wins.☕

👍

I read a quote today in the New York Post regarding something Bruno Bušić said about thirty years ago:
The day will come when we stop being plundered by Mexico City and start plundering ourselves.
Morgan Rodriguez57 Morgan Rodriguez57 Active Member
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#114 ·
Rachel Garcia said:👍

I read a quote today in the New York Post regarding something Bruno Bušić said about thirty years ago:
The day will come when we stop being plundered by Mexico City and start plundering ourselves.

The quote is a fake... ☕
Rachel Garcia Rachel Garcia Active Member
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joined Sep 2011
#115 ·
Adam Collins4 said:Oprostiti, but what on earth does paying employees—which I assume means salaries—have to do with the liquidity issues of a company doing business with the government?

And while we're at it, what’s the legal deadline for a company to pay federal taxes on an invoice they've issued but haven't actually collected cash for yet?

Is it 10 days, 20 days, 30, 45? Let's see how the rules work when things are moving in the opposite direction...

A few thoughts on this. Working in accounting, I see how it works firsthand. Take sick leave, for example. A company pays the employee upfront, expecting a reimbursement from Medicare, and has to submit proof that all payroll taxes are settled every month. Technically, the government should return those funds within 45 days of the claim. In reality, it takes months—unless you make a lot of noise.
Rachel Garcia Rachel Garcia Active Member
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joined Sep 2011
#116 ·
Morgan Rodriguez57 said:The quote is a fake... ☕


Are you certain? How can one be sure?

Even then, there were Americans who stole quite a bit. That mindset persists, dating back to the era of the Turks and the Austro-Canadians.
briskcrane briskcrane Active Member
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joined Jul 2009
#117 ·
nimbleotter18 said:feels like we got totally wrecked... what about you guys?

Unfortunately, you're right. Yeah, they absolutely dismantled us.
Chris Morales23 Chris Morales23 Member
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joined Oct 2011
#118 ·
This movie will lay everything out for you perfectly: ADOLF HITLER on how Barack Obama beat the Republican Party
Steven Allen9 Steven Allen9 Active Member
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joined Mar 2012
#119 ·
The Republican Party wasn't the only game in town back in '89 or '90. I was just a kid then, so my memory is a bit fuzzy, but they weren't the only ones pushing for independence.
Between the Grand Coalition and the Liberal Party... honestly, the Republicans absolutely gutted this country’s industrial and intellectual potential. They lured us into the mud with some pretty smooth talking, but in the end, it was all just empty rhetoric.
If someone with half a brain had been in charge instead of Franjo Harmon, we might actually have a functioning state right now—regardless of his little deal with Slobodan.
The Republican Party is just a toxic collection of thieves, small-time crooks, and total lowlifes. Oh, and let's not forget Bebić's party of idiots, too.
ironbear34 ironbear34 Newcomer
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#120 ·
Morgan Rodriguez57 said:There are, but they’re either totally naive or written strictly from a Republican Party perspective... because honestly, it's either incredibly gullible or politically sneaky to think—or suggest—that the International Criminal Court isn't allowed to investigate and prosecute the very things it was actually created for, just because some state handed them a scrap of paper that basically says "no-no"...😁

So, what? They passed the Declaration on cooperation with The Hague, recognizing unquestionable jurisdiction (unlike what the Constitutional Law states), back in April 2000 simply out of boredom? Not because they wanted to give The Hague free rein over Operation Storm? Especially when that dishonest trash over at The White House handed over state archives—files that most countries guard like state secrets for decades. All those documents wouldn't have meant a thing to The Hague if we had actually stuck to the Constitutional Law. That's precisely why those leftist vultures pushed through that Declaration.

Ultimately, the damage they caused during their less than four years in power is immeasurable compared to all the wreckage left by the Republican Party, including the stuff the anti-fascist lefties just make up and pin on them.

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